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12:00 PM
@0celóñe7 $\pi$ is the quotient of the total curvature of a closed surface by twice it's Euler characteristic.
How about that
 
Curvature is a limit.
 
Oh I know I was just coming up with weird ass definitions of $\pi$
More importantly the total curvature is an integral :P
 
Integral is a sup @BalarkaSen
Does sup count
Always Lebesgue
 
@0celóñe7 Dedekind cuts
 
Sid
@0celóñe7 ...what? Aren't you majoring in Physics?
 
12:05 PM
he's not
 
he's majoring in trolling :P
 
Anonymous
@Sid He's a nuclear engineer who identifies himself as a mathematician. :'P
 
Sid
Great. So, that's where his interests in nuclear weapons and nuking countries come from. :P
 
Anonymous
@Sid Don't worry. Mathematicians only plan stuff on paper.
 
@0celóñe7 call me if you need an internship. ;-)
 
Anonymous
12:11 PM
@Loong I'll call you too =P
 
Delivery of our nuclear fuel will start in a few weeks.
 
@Loong I'm looking at LANL
I have two people promising me work there
One is full of shit
@Slereah that's even less closed form
 
I just watched a youtube video and I can finally say I understand general relativity
 
I understood general relativity after I saw Interstellar
 
@Loong do you do work in nuclear chemistry?
 
@0celóñe7 I am trying to hire an RP engineer from INL.
@TheRaidersofLasVegas Right now I am mainly working only in radiation protection. But maybe I will also take over radiochemistry.
 
12:19 PM
@BalarkaSen lol. And I understood women after watching Mean Girls
 
@Loong RP?
 
Radiation Protection
 
^
 
Just wear lead clothes
With plastic on top
 
Feb 10 at 1:19, by Loong
@0celo7 body armor makes you slow, which increases exposure time ;-)
 
12:28 PM
@Loong what was that even in reference to
@BalarkaSen Federer is a bit of a meme but it's really quite good
 
Sid
@0celóñe7 Federer is a meme?
 
@Sid do you know what it is?
 
Sid
Explain to me.
 
It's a book about measuring things
 
Sid
Eh, I was thinking about the the GOAT of tennis. :-)
 
12:45 PM
More like the GOAT of calculus
 
1:22 PM
@0celóñe7 What kind of reaction are you expecting? Every country has strengths and weaknesses.
What's the context anyway?
 
game of thrones and the leaked episode
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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1:38 PM
"Dionysius once had Philoxenus arrested and sent to the quarries for voicing a bad opinion about his poetry. The next day, he released Philoxenus because of his friends' requests, and brought the poet before him for another poetry reading. Dionysius read his own work and the audience applauded. When he asked Philoxenus how he liked it, the poet turned to the guards and said "take me back to the quarries.""
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DIONYSIUS ON SUICIDE WATCH
 
RIP
 
@Slereah Why are you reading about funny Greeks again?
 
Why not
 
we need poetry in the coal mines
 
It's a pretty sick burn
 
user228700
1:54 PM
@0celóñe7:
 
user228700
 
user228700
This is all I've got.
 
Hi @GauthamShankar Welcome
 
Sid
@Kaumudi.H You draw well. :-)
 
Anonymous
Writing fair practical notebooks with "neat diagrams" is one of the most unproductive task in the world. Meh...I wish this was banned. :/ This makes people more worried about having to submit neat copies rather than focusing on doing cool experiments.
 
2:05 PM
@Kaumudi.H Looks good, although I still haven't gotten past the "But why?" point :P
 
Anonymous
@Sid agreed :d Mine is not half as good
 
user228700
@Sid Appreciation! THANKS! :-)
 
Anonymous
@ACuriousMind Don't look for logic in the education system.
 
Anonymous
:'D
 
user228700
@ACuriousMind Neither have I, man, neither have I.
 
2:06 PM
I found it terrible enough that we had to draw graphs by hand on graph paper instead of letting a computer plot them in our basic labs, but this is something else
 
user228700
@Blue :-( I couldn't agree more.
 
Anonymous
I find it ridiculous that we have to do engineering drawing by hand on paper. No company in the 21st century would allow that in place of the advanced software that have come up.
 
Anonymous
No wonder so many people don't get jobs.
 
Anonymous
Anyhow,....we'll have to live with that :)
 
Sid
@Blue My drawing is a running joke among my classmates. :p
@Blue We use AUTOCAD here.
 
user228700
2:08 PM
I quite like engineering drawing but I agree that it's ludicrous to have us draw on paper :-( My accuracy sucks.
 
Anonymous
@Sid That's great.
 
Anonymous
Most colleges don't use AUTOCAD still. :/
 
Anonymous
Even IITB doesn't afaik.
 
user228700
Gah, and to top it off, my roommate switches on the fan even when it's freezing cold :'-(
 
Anonymous
It's cold in Cochi? :O
 
Anonymous
2:10 PM
Or rain ?
 
user228700
Dude. It's cold.
 
user228700
It rains as well, yep.
 
Anonymous
Wow. I thought South India is really hot at this time of the year.
 
user228700
And I'm exhausted :-( Woke up at 3:30 AM. Gah, and I thought college would be better.
 
Anonymous
"
The coldest is August at 25°C (77°F) mainly because of cooling rains and not due to snow in its suburbs."
 
user228700
2:12 PM
@Blue Actually, no, Monsoon has started even in Tamil Nadu!
 
Anonymous
Ah, that makes sense
 
Anonymous
It's the rains
 
No American school would make you do that @Kaumudi.H
 
@K you're already in college!? man, time flies so fast
 
user228700
2:12 PM
@Blue Wow, you're fast! :-o
 
@Kaumudi.H who is
 
user228700
@AccidentalFourierTransform Yeah, man, what do you think I'm drawing all that crap for?! :-(
 
user228700
@0celóñe7 Blue.
 
user228700
@0celóñe7 What's your point? :-P
 
user228700
@Blue Yup. It rained all night last night!
 
user228700
2:14 PM
@Blue: You said that food there was OK, no?
 
Anonymous
@Kaumudi.H Food is quite nice actually. We get chilli chicken, noodles, luchi, hot dog, burgers, and a lot more for subsidized prices
 
user228700
Wow :-o
 
@JohnRennie I've got convenient Ethernet in my new apartment
 
user228700
I envy you.
 
user228700
We've got crap on a stick.
 
2:16 PM
@Blue we had free unlimited pizza
It was good pizza too
 
Anonymous
@0celóñe7 Nothing is free in this world :P Maybe you had to pay for it in some other way
 
user228700
@0celóñe7 Was your college in heaven or what?
 
Anonymous
That's a bit unbelievable though.....unlimited pizza? heh
 
@Kaumudi.H no, in the swamp of Tennessee
 
Anonymous
@0celóñe7 Did your college take a lot of fees or something? I've heard American colleges are quite costly for undergrads
 
2:18 PM
@0celóñe7 You had? What happened?
 
Anonymous
Oh. That pun
 
Anonymous
:P
 
what pun?
 
Anonymous
@ACuriousMind "had"
 
Anonymous
Remember the bourbon incident?
 
2:20 PM
I...don't see how that's a pun
 
user228700
@JohnR: WHERE ARE YOU?!
 
Anonymous
yesterday, by Blue
@ACuriousMind By "had" he probably meant he "had" a glass of bourbon in his hand but did not drink it. XD
 
Sid
@Kaumudi.H Don't shout at poor old JR. Patience, young lady. :P
 
Anonymous
Don't call JR old. He'll get angry
 
user228700
Oye, he's neither poor, nor old! :-)
 
user228700
2:22 PM
He is a rich man, if there ever was one :-P
 
Sid
*"Don't shout at Rich young JR." :P
 
user228700
x'D
 
user228700
BUT WHERE IS HE?!
 
Someone call? :-)
 
user228700
HI.
 
2:24 PM
Afternoon
 
user228700
:-) Have you had lunch yet?
 
My lunch is currently cooking. It will be done in about 20 mins. Risotto with garlic and tomato.
 
user228700
:-( GAH, sounds excellent.
 
user228700
Too good to be true, really. Relatively good food, I mean.
 
We rich old men can afford these things :-)
 
user228700
2:27 PM
Ah :-( I'm young and broke, of course.
 
We were all young and broke once. It gets better with time.
 
user228700
If they don't have roti today, I've got a loaf of bread and some jab in the cupboard.
 
Jab? :-)
 
user228700
Jam, sorry :-)
 
user228700
@JohnRennie I sure hope so!
 
2:28 PM
Anyhow, why all the shouting?
 
user228700
@JohnRennie I needed sage advise, of course! :-P
 
Sage goes well with pork.
 
user228700
Now that might be good advice but it is of no use to me!
 
user228700
Wait...what?
 
user228700
Ah, phew, I freaked out for a moment when I typed "Define sage" and didn't find anything to the extent of hermit.
 
2:30 PM
@Kaumudi.H What?
Salvia officinalis (sage, also called garden sage, common sage, or culinary sage) is a perennial, evergreen subshrub, with woody stems, grayish leaves, and blue to purplish flowers. It is a member of the mint family Lamiaceae and native to the Mediterranean region, though it has naturalized in many places throughout the world. It has a long history of medicinal and culinary use, and in modern times as an ornamental garden plant. The common name "sage" is also used for a number of related and unrelated species. == Names == S. officinalis has numerous common names. Some of the best-known are sage...
 
user228700
I freaked out because I thought I'd misspelled it or something but I did find the correct Wiki page so HAH!
 
user228700
...you might notice that I'm a little hyper today; like I said before, too hungry and too cold.
 
user228700
And also have just popped out from drawing purgatory.
 
19.8ºC right now in Chester
But was the advice you wanted?
 
user228700
Ah, sheesh.
 
user228700
2:33 PM
@JohnRennie Not advice, really, hmm.
 
I would advise you to eat the bread and jam :-)
 
user228700
GAH, I seem to have forgotten exactly what made me shout for you but meh, it was probably just for you to say, as always, something along the lines of "College is like this. It'll get better. It's OK" :-P
 
College isn't like that. It only gets worse (then you die). You're doomed.
 
user228700
:'-( OK. ::Shuffles off with head hung down::
 
But for now you have bread and jam, and there might be be roti at dinner. So carpe diem!
 
user228700
2:37 PM
:-( OK, I'll be back; will check what they have for dinner...
 
Do engineers still do technical drawing these days? I had assumed it was all CAD now.
I suppose it's a skill they have to teach in case it might be necessary.
 
Anonymous
@JohnRennie It depends completely on the college. Even some many good colleges haven't started using CAD yet. Their argument is that an engineer should be able to do their work using the most basic tools
 
Anonymous
I don't buy it though
 
I can kind of see the argument.
I guess it depends on how much time and effort is taken by the drawing classes.
 
Sid
The argument is fine... but it isn't exactly engineer-friendly. :P
 
Anonymous
2:44 PM
Thunderstorm here XD Fortunately reached home in time :D
 
It's nice in Chester. Cloudy but dry and it's around 20ºC which is perfect for cycling.
I've been for a cycle ride round Chester, using buying lunch as an excuse for the trip :-)
 
Anonymous
You go cycling often? Chester indeed seems to a small sweet city with good weather :) I sort of like the countryside Europe a lot (though I've seen it only in movies and videos :P)
 
I go cycling pretty much every day if it isn't raining.
 
so you never go cycling?
 
Chester is a great place to cycle. Traffic is pretty light and the countryside is lovely.
@AccidentalFourierTransform Chester is sheltered from westerlies by the Welsh mountains and from easterlies by the Peak District, so in fact Chester has relatively little rain.
Whichever way the wind is blowing Chester is in the rain shadow of something :-)
 
2:52 PM
thats definitely convenient
 
Anonymous
Ok. Here's this QM problem which I can't make much sense of. An electron in the n=2 energy level of hydrogen remains there for 80 ns before moving down to the energy level n=1. Determine the uncertainty in energy released by the electron during transition. If an electron remains in $n=2$ for $80ns$, why should that be the uncertainty in time? Say it was there from $t=0$ to $t=80$ and then dropped to $n=1$. I don't see any uncertainty there.
 
Google lifetime broadening
 
Anonymous
Checking
 
Where in this case the lifetime is the 80ns lifetime of the excited state
 
that problem is just as stupid as it is useless
 
Anonymous
3:01 PM
@AccidentalFourierTransform It's from AK Lectures :P
 
Anonymous
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Q: What is $\Delta t$ in the time-energy uncertainty principle?

HoboIn non-relativistic QM, the $\Delta E$ in the time-energy uncertainty principle is the limiting standard deviation of the set of energy measurements of $n$ identically prepared systems as $n$ goes to infinity. What does the $\Delta t$ mean, since $t$ is not even an observable?

 
I dont know who AK is
 
Anonymous
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A: What is $\Delta t$ in the time-energy uncertainty principle?

joshphysicsLet a quantum system with Hamiltonian $H$ be given. Suppose the system occupies a pure state $|\psi(t)\rangle$ determined by the Hamiltonian evolution. For any observable $\Omega$ we use the shorthand $$ \langle \Omega \rangle = \langle \psi(t)|\Omega|\psi(t)\rangle. $$ One can show that (s...

 
Anonymous
@AccidentalFourierTransform Even I don't know his full name. He's someone on Youtube who makes video lectures on biology, physics, chemistry and stuff
 
Anonymous
It tells you the approximate amount of time it takes for the expectation value of an observable to change by a standard deviation provided the system is in a pure state.
 
3:04 PM
if he were good he wouldnt he sharing his material online for free
 
@Blue Hm? It's not stupid or useless - understanding that decay width/mean lifetime is important
 
Sid
That ^^
 
@Blue Don't look at that post, it has actually nothing to do with what we're doing in this case
 
@AccidentalFourierTransform I answer questions for free. QED some might say :-)
 
indeed, QED :-P
 
Anonymous
3:05 PM
@ACuriousMind Umm, could you explain?
 
Sid
@JohnRennie In that case, how much do we owe you? :P
 
@Avantgarde I'm sorry to hear that.
Did you know: There are constructive ways to waste one's time.
 
Sid
@BalarkaSen Like?
 
watch trash internet memes
or listen to jake paul
 
vzn
@DanielSank cool, what "main site"? url?
 
3:08 PM
@Blue The "energy-time uncertainty relation" is a red herring, the reason a relation of that form applies here is that energy and time are Fourier-related and that quantum theory relates the decay width (i.e. the energy uncertainty) and the lifetime of a state through the Breit-Wigner distribution,. cf. e.g. physics.stackexchange.com/a/270002/50583.
That is, we are not applying Heisenberg's uncertainty principle to relate decay width and lifetime, no matter how often you will read this wrong claim.
 
Anonymous
@ACuriousMind Could you explain what Fourier-related means in simple words? I haven't heard that term before
 
$x\leftrightarrow p$
 
Anonymous
I'm seeing that post
 
@Blue If you Fourier transform a function of energy, it becomes a function of time, and vice versa.
Functions and their Fourier transforms obey "uncertainty principles" for their widths caused purely by the mathematical properties of the Fourier transform itself, unrelated to the quantum mechanical HUP, which confuses many people
 
user228700
@JohnR: I'm back and guess what?! :-)
 
3:12 PM
Roti?
 
user228700
YES! :-)
 
@Blue It seems I organically suck at organic chemistry
 
Then carpe rotiam!
 
And the energy uncertainty (or "decay width", i.e. its width in "energy space") of a decaying state and its lifetime (i.e. its width in "time space") are such widths of a function and its Fourier transform.
 
Well, not really, but yeah.
 
user228700
3:12 PM
I grabbed so much of the gobi curry that the warden warned me!
 
Anonymous
"Fourier transform: a function derived from a given function and representing it by a series of sinusoidal functions"...I see. I need to read more about this. Thanks! (I'll keep in mind that is a purely mathematical property of Fourier transforms itself)
 
Anonymous
@ACuriousMind
 
user228700
AH, does it feel good to have food in my stomach.
 
user228700
@JohnRennie Hahaha :-)
 
Sid
@Kaumudi.H ....what? You aren't allowed to eat to your fill?
 
user228700
3:13 PM
How's ur lunch?
 
user228700
@Sid Apparently not, but I really couldn't care less: I grabbed as much of it as I liked!
 
@Kaumudi.H I'm just scraping the last few grains of rice off the plate.
 
user228700
Aw man, you didn't take a picture? :-(
 
@Blue For the purpose of that question, though, It suffices to just apply $\Delta E \Delta t \geq \hbar$ (where $\Delta t$ is the lifetime), and keep in mind that this isn't "really" the HUP in this case.
 
@Blue It's easier to explain Fourier transforms if you know what a Fourier series is, in my opinion (the former is a continuous version of the latter). We can talk about this after my exams, because this is definitely in the realm of vector space theory up to some point.
 
3:14 PM
@Kaumudi.H Then I'll lick the plate :-)
@Kaumudi.H Gobi? Isn't that a dessert?
 
user228700
No! Gobi =Cauliflower.
 
Anonymous
@ACuriousMind Oh, I've been told a lie all this while. We were told that it is an alternative form of HUP. lol
 
Anonymous
@BalarkaSen Yup, I'm eagerly waiting for your exams to finish :D
 
@Blue Yeah, it isn't, see the post by joshphysics which I said has nothing to do with it - what's presented there is the only formally correct version of applying the HUP to time and energy.
It's a very common "lie" though, one where I'm also not sure why it is still being perpetuated by people who should know beterr
 
3:16 PM
it is a semi-simple lie
 
to children?
 
user228700
@JohnRennie Aaand it's taking too long to load :-/
 
> The Gobi Desert (/ˈɡoʊ.bi/; Mongolian: Говь, govĭ, /ɢɔwʲ/, "semidesert"; Chinese: 戈壁; pinyin: Gēbì, Xiao'erjing: قْبِ, /kɤ˥pi˥˩/) is a large desert region in Asia.
 
@AccidentalFourierTransform it is a direct sum of simple lies?
 
user228700
::Facepalm::
 
3:18 PM
@Blue Me too. I miss digging the trashiest of memes for hours upon hours on internet.
 
tell me lies tell me sweet compact lies
 
user228700
@JohnR: Are you terribly busy atm?
 
user228700
@BalarkaSen Sounds like an excellent life!
 
@ACuriousMind gravity is not a force
/me cries
A lie.
well the lie is that it is
 
@Kaumudi.H Good life tastes.
 
3:21 PM
what makes a meme trashy?
 
@djsmiley2k That's a useful approximation (known as Newtonian gravity :P). Pretending the HUP applies where it doesn't apply is just...wrong, I don't see any upside to it.
 
But one of the first things I want to do is to listen to the Scott Walker series in full.
 
@Kaumudi.H no, I've just finished lunch and washed the plate, so if you want to chat about physics, food or bad puns now is a good time.
 
Anonymous
@djsmiley2k Actually, even I was confused by that. Gravity is said to be curvature of *space-time*(rather than a force) but yet I hear scientists are trying to unify gravity wit the three(?) other fundamental type of forces. I don't really know the answer to that. Maybe, someday....
 
3:23 PM
thnx
 
A trash meme is... is... uh, it's hard to define but you know one when you see one. It's like ...
Ugh that meme is old.
 
@Kaumudi.H Hello? Dodgy Internet again?
 
Anonymous
@BalarkaSen Study organic :P
 
@Blue yup, I don't see why it would unify with the other 3, nor why it matters that the magnitude of difference, concidering it's not even a force.
 
lol
yeah I better
see ya
 
3:25 PM
cya
 
@BalarkaSen lol
 
In physics, gravitational acceleration is the acceleration on an object caused by the force of gravitation. Neglecting friction such as air resistance, all small bodies accelerate in a gravitational field at the same rate relative to the center of mass. This equality is true regardless of the masses or compositions of the bodies. At different points on Earth, objects fall with an acceleration between 9.764 m/s2 and 9.834 m/s2 depending on altitude and latitude, with a conventional standard value of exactly 9.80665 m/s2 (approximately 32.174 ft/s2). This does not take into account other effects...
I managed to derive the same formula for my simulations
 
but it says this only works when other objects larger
I was thinking maybe this is why my simulations are not working correctly.
 
it doesnt say only
 
3:29 PM
heres what im doing:
 
user228700
@JohnRennie Yes :'-(
 
user228700
AHHHH.
 
@Tobi when both objects have a comparable mass both accelerate towards their common centre of mass.
 
regardless of their mass, actually
 
rv = par.coords.copy().subtract(opar.coords),
    r2 = rv.dot(rv),
    ru = rv.unit();
par.velocity.subtract(ru.sMultiply(opar.mass / r2));
opar.velocity.add(ru.sMultiply(par.mass / r2));
 
3:29 PM
sorry I dont speak computer
 
They're vectors
par means particle, opar means other particle
do you understand it?
 
@Kaumudi.H I'm around for a while so there's no rush.
 
user228700
Gchat?
 
There now ...
 
@Tobi The formula is valid for all objects, the article just says to use the larger mass because we often assume one mass to be so large as to be stationary.
 
3:32 PM
cmon people, if youre gonna flag as low-quality, leave a friggin comment
 
is my vector manipulation valid
for a G constant of 1
 
I dont know what is supposedly so bad about that question!!
 
@AccidentalFourierTransform I think that might have been an automatic LQ flag due to the length of the question, since I can't see a flag manually being raised anywhere in the mod interface
 
oh, that makes sense
 
@ACuriousMind so, do you think it should work?
 
3:37 PM
@Tobi Your code? No, because you are apparently subtracting/adding an acceleration to velocities, which makes no sense.
 
its done over time
 
I suppose you should multiply the $m/r^2$ with the duration of one frame to obtain the change in velocity
 
I have my doubt that that is really useful, but yes, if you declare that each frame has a duration of exactly one second and that you're fine with that level of accuracy of treating the acceleration as constant over that second, then that works.
 
the massive object is attracted to small objects
 
3:41 PM
It's much more likely that that has something to do with the collision routine, imo
 
Yes, but collisions are hard to get completely right. I'm betting the reason your objects behave weirdly is in the collision routine, not in the gravitational force.
 
its attracted even before collision
 
Well, I can't tell what's wrong by looking at that video, but it's definitely not that you modelled gravitational acceleration by $GM/r^2$.
 
i fixed one bit, just now
i was mutating the unit vector
now it apoapsis increases on each bounce
idk what that word means, but the amplitude of bounce
 
3:52 PM
@tobi: the simple algorithm you are using does not conserve energy.
The sort of effect you're seeing is typical of the problem.
 
u1 + u2 = v1 + v2
m1u1 + m2u2 = m1v1 + m2v2
 
You either need to use much smaller time slices or rewrite the calculation using a symplectic integrator.
 
what does that mean
 
In mathematics, a symplectic integrator (SI) is a numerical integration scheme for Hamiltonian systems. Symplectic integrators form the subclass of geometric integrators which, by definition, are canonical transformations. They are widely used in nonlinear dynamics, molecular dynamics, discrete element methods, accelerator physics, plasma physics, quantum physics, and celestial mechanics. == Introduction == Symplectic integrators are designed for the numerical solution of Hamilton's equations, which read p ˙ ...
 
just closed that wiki
 
3:59 PM
The maths can get a bit hairy, but I'd guess that code for calculating orbits using symplectic integration can be easily Googled.
It's decades since I last attempted it so I'm afraid I don't have any code to hand myself.
 
not asking for code
but physics
 

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