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3:00 PM
What sort of temperatures did you get under load?
 
54.5 right now at 3.9
only been running 3 minutes
@JohnRennie the offset temperature is 75...could it be throttling?
 
54.5º? Under load?
 
it seems strange that it's so low
@JohnRennie yes
 
There's something wrong there. 75ºC is much more like it.
 
how do I tell if it's throttling? There was no temperature increase from 3.8 to 3.9
 
3:05 PM
The max temp for a 1600X is 95ºC. It won't be throttling until you approach that temperature.
 
@JohnRennie So increase to 4Ghz?
Do you believe the 55C there or not
 
@0celo7 No.
What does HWMonitor say?
 
Why would the AMD overclocking tool be wrong?
@JohnRennie Can't find the program...
Windows 10 is garbage
 
There are several different temp sensors on the mobo. It might be reading the wrong sensor.
 
@JohnRennie Google says that the Ryzen temperature is 20C higher than it actually is. The AMD overclocking tool automatically adjusts for it.
 
3:09 PM
Look in C:\Program Files\CPUID\HWMonitor
 
Sid
Federer has won the Wimbledon Championships. (So much surprise)
 
It says 75C. But by all accounts on your beloved Google, that is 20C higher than the real temperature.
And 75C seems low...should I go to 4 or not?
 
I don't think it will come to any permanent harm. It will just crash.
 
According to Task Manager, I am not running at 3.9
3.85...
HWMonitor says 3899
@JohnRennie Ok, pray for me
What do I do if it crashes?
Do I have to lower the clock in BIOS?
 
@0celo7 I'm not sure ...
 
3:14 PM
@JohnRennie yolo
It...lives?
@JohnRennie 56/76 now
I don't understand -- the overclocking guide I was reading last night was getting 80+.
 
At 100% CPU?
 
And their cooler was a mofo cooler
@JohnRennie Well?
Should I let it run like this for a few hours?
@JohnRennie This guy reports a 1C increase when going to 4.1 GHz.
He said anything after that was unstable, and he was using a higher voltage.
 
I would just try playing a demanding game for an hour or so. If it survives that then you're laughing.
 
@JohnRennie Is a varied load different than the AIDA64 stress load?
 
Don't know, but the point is that you want the PC to be fast playing games not running a stress test.
Play the game that was maxing the CPU. Battlesomething?
 
3:24 PM
Battlefield. It's Sunday morning, I'm sure everyone is in Church, not playing BF1 :P
 
:-) I'll pray for your and your CPU.
 
Sid
Morning?
Oh, right. Sorry. US- timings
 
@JohnRennie seems to work!
 
Has it given you a useful improvement in the fps?
 
@JohnRennie Not yet, I have it capped at 60. I'm about to play a round on the map that was killing it before.
The smoke is probably what does it
@JohnRennie Hmm. Screen went black
 
3:40 PM
Hmm
 
GPU fans turned off. Computer is still on
Did my GPU just explode
CPU light came on
rip
So, what now?
 
I'd probably back off the speed a bit!
 
@JohnRennie Bernardo says to increase the voltage.
I mean, do I hold the power button now?
Switch it off on the PSU?
 
Is the PC completely unresponsive?
If so I'd turn it off at the PSU.
 
Yeah. The GPU is off.
 
3:43 PM
Turn it off, count to ten then turn it on again.
 
@JohnRennie seems to boot fine.
 
Phew :-)
I don't want to advise on ramping up the voltage because I don't know anything about overclocking.
Ramping up the voltage feels to me a little risky ...
 
@JohnRennie I'll restore it to the base clock for now...I will try to get Bernardo on the phone for this
Via text is impossible
@JohnRennie apparently OC stability is a lottery
 
It was interesting that it appeared to be stable under the stress test but crashed immediately when you started the game.
 
@JohnRennie Nah, I played for about 15 minutes on a different map.
And it crashed only when I ran into the smoke-heavy area.
 
3:53 PM
Ah. OK.
 
@JohnRennie Did you see my questions about polytropes?
 
I did but I can't answer
 
@JohnRennie Can you at least tell me how to roast garlic evenly on all sides without burning it?
 
I don't think I've ever roasted garlic. I've eaten roasted garlic at a friends house, but to my taste roasting it takes away a lot of the flavour.
 
@JohnRennie You just put it on raw?
 
3:58 PM
I would only ever lightly cook garlic.
Typically sauteed in buter.
 
I mean sautee
not roast
So only lighly, ok
I was trying to make it golden
@JohnRennie the AMD software resets to default clocks when you restart the computer, that prevents a bad overclock from bricking the system i guess
 
You can eat raw garlic, but it's pretty fierce. Eat very much of it and it will make your mouth burn a bit like chilli does.
@0celo7 Seems sensible.
 
@JohnRennie I'm a southerner, spice is no matter to me
when I go to a mexican place my goal is to sob quietly throughout the meal
 
Ah I was about to ask if southern meant Tex-Mex.
I think in the UK southern US means the states that made up the Confederacy
 
@JohnRennie there's a place I frequent that has unlimited salsa
I eat far too much there
I get a salad and put salsa on it
it's the best dressing
@JohnRennie that is what I meant
 
4:05 PM
@0celo7 Do those states have a large Mexican influence on the food. I would have guessed it was more French or Cajun.
 
Sid
@JohnRennie That is exactly what Southern US is, right?
 
@JohnRennie Well, I'm not south enough for Cajun. Not sure about French. There's a lot of Mexican food here.
 
@Sid don't know ...
 
Maybe not a lot
Who knows
Now I'm hungry
 
I'm off to meet some friends in town for a large curry in about an hour ...
 
Sid
4:08 PM
Oh, JR is partying?
 
hey, the micky mouse suicide .avi thing is pretty dank man
i like it
 
@Sid just meeting up with old friends. We're all a bit old for partying :-)
 
@JohnRennie Going up to 1.38125 V
please dissuade me from this
 
I assume you're working from a guide that tells you what is and isn't safe ...
If it was my PC I wouldn't be overclocking it at all
 
Bernardo
I probably shouldn't trust him
 
4:15 PM
We're talking about a guy who plays baseball with burning coals :P
 
Have you asked him whether he has overclocked his own computer? :-)
 
Sid
Is it actually possible to play Baseball with burning coals?
 
@JohnRennie my CPU benchmark increased every slighly...
 
@0celo7 I suspect you'll find some scatter in the benchmark scores, so I wouldn't attach much significance to a slight increase ina single run.
Right, my friends have just texted me to say they be at the restaurant in 20 minutes, so I'm off! See you all tomorrow.
 
4:45 PM
I think I just received a fatal dose of radiation.
two panoramic x-rays (like this )
Only one was required. but they had to repeat it because the first one apparently didn't have enough quality. It was their fault
This is just bullshit
If I survive this, I think I'm gonna sue the doctor for malpractice
 
Are X-ray radiations really that harmful?
I guess you're joking.
 
@BalarkaSen Yes they are.
 
I had heard that X-ray radiation exposure vs cancer studies have been done, but I thought the effects were rather minimal (except if you're doing a yearly/monthly CT scan or something)
 
5:01 PM
@BalarkaSen Most of the studies done/claims by physicians are not reliable.
see this for example
Or even this (I've shared it before):
 
@Mostafa So how do you know that the radiation is more harmful than they claim, and not less?
 
I always back off from a discussion when the primary premise of the discussion is the data provided by community is fluke. I mean, it can be true, but it destroys the standpoint of a logical discussion on these issues.
 
@ACuriousMind Becuase they tend to handwave everything even they literally screw everything
In such circumstances, when they say "don't worry, it's ok", you know that you have to worry
 
Who are "they"? Painting a whole field of researchers with one broad brush does not strike me as very scientific, nor concluding from some faulty results that other results must be faulty, too.
 
@ACuriousMind physicians
 
5:12 PM
Even if I grant that their studies are unreliable, that still gives you no reason to believe that radiation is more harmful than claimed. If a study is invalid, that's it - you can't use it as evidence, and in particular you cannot use it as evidence that the opposite of what the study found is true.
So the rational position given "I do not trust these studies" would be "I have no idea how harmful radiation is".
But not only do you sound very convinced that the studies on that are unreliable (which does not follow from studies on carcenogenic substances being unreliable, or indeed any other study not about radiation being unreliable), but that in fact it is true that radiation is more harmful. I'd urge you to consider whether the process by which you concluded that is more reliable than the studies you dismiss.
 
can I just point out that physicians are actually rather impressive. look at the work they've done coming up with vaccines, treatments, etc. just compare medicine in the middle ages to medicine now and tell me if you still think physicians "tend to handwave everything" and "literally screw everything". @Mostafa
 
@ACuriousMind All I'm saying is that I'm exposed to two times the radiation dose I was supposed to receive. and this is clearly more harmful than one x-ray. and that merely saying that "studies have shown it's no big deal" doesn't change this fact.
 
also, you trust a Vox diagram over a scientific study?
 
@Mostafa That (weak) claim was not at all what I got from what you said, but with that I have no issue (except that if it is no big deal, then it's a fact, but it's not a very important fact).
 
@heather apart from the precise instruments made available to them by the engineers and physicists, I don't really see much difference with even Egyptian medicine. They had even brain surgeries at that time, but with terrible instruments.
@heather I mean the physics/technology part has advanced a lot. But the biology part is almost the same
(apparently, things are starting to change, with stem cells, biophysics, etc.)
 
5:26 PM
@Mostafa There is a very large difference in cutting someone's skull open to free the evil spirit trapped within or cutting it open to remove e.g. a tumor where you actually have evidence that it is the cause of the disease. You're being very dismissive towards a discipline that has eradicated entire diseases and improved the quality of human life by immeasurable amounts. Our understanding of our biology is incredibly more advanced than that of any historical culture.
The Egyptians didn't even know that the brain was where our cognitive process happened, they thought it was the heart - so "the biology part is almost the same" is manifestly false
 
What the hell is going on here
 
@BalarkaSen A panoramic dental X ray image causes maybe 0.008 mSv.
A complete skull CT about 1–3 mSv.
 
Sid
@0celo7 What were you doing, actually?
It went over my head.
 
@0celo7 You're a nuclear engineer. you're supposed to know a lot about radiation exposure and stuff
 
5:43 PM
Most engineers at my plant know almost nothing about radiation exposure. :-|
 
@ACuriousMind Most of what they've done in health care is enabled by modern technology. The recent increase in human life expectancy is to a large extent due to the increase in the societies' general hygiene and general quality of life, again enabled by technology. How can you miss this?
Maybe I'm not well-aware of the history of biology and medicine, but this is really obvious that they couldn't do much better than the ancient physicians if it wasn't for the availability of better tools (for example, optical microscope)
 
@Mostafa Our notion of "hygiene" itself is a modern concept and was only made possible by the research of people like Pasteur and Semmelweis, who showed that diseases where indeed transmitted by contamination through germs, which went again established medical and public opinion at the time.
That's not an advance in technology (though the microscope helped later, Semmelweis' observation that doctors washing their hands reduced the rate of infection was not in any way enabled by technology), but it was crucial to our modern idea of medicine and hygiene was we know it.
 
@Sid trying to get a little more performance out of my CPU
uhh
why does it look like that
@ACuriousMind are you seeing that
 
@0celo7 leading spaces
 
5:53 PM
Did you enclose it in backticks, preface it with a tab, or click the "fixed font" button that sometimes appears next to the chat window?
 
:38813585 test
@Loong test
@Loong what?
@JohnRennie Increasing the core voltage seems to make it stable. But I'm still getting performance drops...only now I can't attribute them to CPU spikes because I'm no longer maxing the CPU.
Maybe the CPU is spiking for so short an amount of time that the monitoring software doesn't pick it up?
 
@ACuriousMind I agree with this. This is why I said most of the...
But the medical studies we talked about above are not like these. They're not causal inference. Almost all of them are (probably flawed) statistical inference.
 
@ACuriousMind Isn't the rational response to conclude there is doctored data?
Occam's Razor
 
I think it's a little crankish to claim modern biology and medicines have made no advancement in the past few centuries, but I am not going to argue with that.
 
That's insane, really
Medicine before 1950 was pretty poor compared to today
 
6:01 PM
@0celo7 (nice pun :P) Not really, because studies can be flawed in many ways without intentional deception.
 
@ACuriousMind Oh, I fear you took me seriously.
 
@BalarkaSen Not no advancements, but little, compared to other fields.
 
@Mostafa What exactly are you trying to argue here?
 
This is due to the complexity of biology compared to physics; but we're not talking about the reason.
 
@ACuriousMind btw, what's with those random prerendered cutscenes in TW3
they're compressed to hell
 
6:03 PM
@0celo7 that most of the studies done in medicine are not reliable, and so are lots of the claims made by the doctors.
 
Do you believe in the infectious theory of diseases, @Mostafa
or evolution
or genetics
 
@Slereah Yes
 
@Mostafa It's still pretty crankish to claim that improvement of hygiene in daily life has extended average life expectancy of humans more than modern medicines.
 
@Mostafa Semmelweis' observation was precisely that, statistical inference - washing hands decreases the rate of infection. Before Pasteur actually showed the existence of microbes, the causal mechanism was unclear. There is nothing wrong with statistical inference, it's a staple of scientific reasoning.
If the statistics are flawed, that's another thing (and I'll not claim that all studies are perfect), but statistical inferences are precisely what tells you where to look for causal relations in such messy subjects.
 
After all, all of physics is statistical inferrence, too
 
6:06 PM
I'm confused as to what, exactly, your claim is. No one argues against "Some medical studies are flawed". That doesn't mean all medical studies are flawed, that one should intrinsically distrust medical studies, or that medicine has not advanced.
 
@BalarkaSen The improvement in mean life expectancy is largely due to a lower rate of infant mortality.
 
^indeed
 
Also a large part is due to a big lowering in the old killers of people
 
I don't see why statistical inference should be viewed as generically flawed, or even if you have beef with it. There are very very efficient methods to correlate datas using statistical methods.
 
People are not getting older as much as they are not dying as babies.
 
6:07 PM
Dysentry, pneumonia, heart attacks
Those kind of things
Nobody dies of dysentry anymore
 
How does one even get dysentry
 
I mean, hell, antibiotics are a thing. That's hell of a major advancement in medicine after the Egyptians :P
 
Eating bad pork, for instance
 
Sid
@0celo7 Eat spoiled food
 
Dying of wicked diarrhea
 
Sid
6:09 PM
Heart attacks are a very major death-causing thing.
 
Much less so today
Nowadays people get old enough to die of cancer
Lucky them
 
@0celo7 Please @0celo7, you weren't born that this joke was already old
 
@BalarkaSen Take another look at the above diagram (cancer causing foods)
 
@Slereah Hotline Bling is a 2015 song...
 
6:14 PM
I mean the wrist cutting thing
Not across the road but along the highway
That joke is like 20 years old
 
@Slereah Yeah, everyone knows that.
It's a fresh twist on an old meme.
 
As far as memes go it's right along the Magna Carta
Oh man
I once read a 19th century book
That contained references to 19th century memes
it was great
 
@JohnRennie So you didn't die, after all! :-)
 
@0celo7 That's a fine joke
 
Sid
I don't see how cutting wrists does anything good to anyone
 
6:20 PM
Coming back
Been hard at work
2 programing jobs, a chemistry class and analysis self study
Been saving money!
What's going on donkeys
. . . .
:D
 
19th century memes
"Many years ago the favourite phrase (for, though but a monosyllable, it was a phrase in itself) was QUOZ. This odd word took the fancy of the multitude in an extraordinary degree, and very soon acquired an almost boundless meaning."
"a man was asked a favour which he did not choose to grant, he marked his sense of the suitor's unparalleled presumption by exclaiming Quoz!
When a mischievous urchin wished to annoy a passenger, and create mirth for his chums, he looked him in the face, and cried out Quoz! and the exclamation never failed in its object. When a disputant was desirous of throwing a doubt upon the veracity of his opponent, and getting summarily rid of an argument which he could not overturn, he uttered the word Quoz, with a contemptuous curl of his lip and an impatient shrug of his shoulders."
""What a shocking bad hat!" was the phrase that was next in vogue."
They are all great memes
 
@ACuriousMind apparently there's a Walden video game
 
@0celo7 Do you know the instant regret videos list?
 
@BalarkaSen r/instantregret?
 
nah on youtube
It's like my jam
Let me dig something out
Continue from there
 
6:36 PM
No.
What is this?
 
Big Smoke does some harmless rickrolls
What's your beef with it?
 
I watched it
Pretty cringey
Are you even old enough to play that game?
 
Probably
I'm like 57 years old
 
Sid
@BalarkaSen mentally?
:P
 
Friggin quality content that
I didn't see that
too busy going through dank maymays
this is just art
@ACuriousMind Do you want to watch a dank Hitler meme?
 
6:49 PM
@BalarkaSen Not particularly, no
 
:(
Well, your loss
Try this instead.
 
@BalarkaSen I have no idea why that has 4.5m views or why people like it so much.
 
It's like the dankest thing I have seen today
 
That...explains nothing
 

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