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Max
5:01 PM
Does anyone know anything about the electromagnetic wave equation?
 
maxwell's equations?
or the wave equation
 
Max
Exactly, Maxwell!
 
what do you want to know
 
Max
well, I have found that there is a homogeneous and inhomogeneous solution to it, and I'm thinking that the general solution should be a sum of the two. However, from what I've seen, you never use the inhomogeneous solution when solving problems
 
Anonymous
@BalarkaSen Do you know about Percolation theory? One of my professors called me today and asked whether I'm interested in building on a previous work done by them. It looks quite innovative and I think can have some interesting applications in Physics. I'm reading about the Euler number stuff: arxiv.org/abs/1612.04522. I think I could participate in the project for fun and see what comes out of it.
 
Max
5:06 PM
Like, the homogeneous solution is this plane wave-solution (or a fourier-version of it, with the k-vector being integrated over, etc.) whereas the inhomogeneous solution is the "retarded time" version of the Coulomb integrals.
 
Anonymous
I did some of this during when I was studying percolation algorithms, but that was a bit different
 
Anonymous
In that you consider a certain probability $p$ for each point
 
Anonymous
And try to find the critical value at which the two opposites ends join
 
Anonymous
By a certain path
 
Anonymous
Here we find the critical value at which the islands join to form a connected structure or the water bodies connect
 
Anonymous
5:08 PM
However, I'm not really sure what type of applications this could have in physics or other sciences
 
Anonymous
Maybe analyzing cracks in materials and stuff :P
 
@Blue I have never heard of this, no
 
Anonymous
Well, I guess you do have a basic idea but don't know the name: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percolation_theory
 
Anonymous
It's not very complicated
 
Looks interesting
 
Anonymous
There are a few books on Amazon. Lemme download them from libgen :P After the semester I'll see if I can do something related to that
 
Cool
 
savagely large one-boxing of amazon
they got the title wrong too
 
Anonymous
@user685252 Hmm, I think it should have been "in"
 
Anonymous
Not "for"
 
5:17 PM
Mathematicians
 
Anonymous
They've got to correct either the second word or the third.
 
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Q: Testing Quantum Mechanics with Quantum Computing: beyond?

riemanniumQuantum computing ONLY allows for unitary operations. At least in theory, as far as I know. Could we use Quantum Computing to test the limits of Quantum Mechanics or explore the emergence of quantum physics from another bigger scheeeme? What would it happen with quantum computing if we found t...

Too broad?
 
Anonymous
5:39 PM
Lol, this is probably the most unrealistic version of Einstein:
 
did you see the first ep of the new doctor who season?
he was talking about some relativity shit
but it barely made any sense he was just babbling
 
relativity "shit"
 
@ooolb Doctor Who is not supposed to make scientific sense
 
it's not?
the more you know
 
5:42 PM
Hey vsauce, Michael here.
 
Anonymous
Tbh I'm not very sure how good a lecturer/professor Einstein was (or his students' opinion of him)
 
i want to watch Primer but i can't find that movie
 
Anonymous
I never heard anyone praise his teaching abilities (unlike Feynman)
 
I don't know of any Einstein's students.
 
@ooolb I'm sure you're being ironic, but why bring it up if it's clear to you?
 
5:43 PM
@ACuriousMind oh so you can identify irony now?
i'm impressed.
 
::makes popcorn::
 
::sigh:: Don't be so difficult, please
 
@Blue Feynman didn't really have a big crew of students that went on to do a lot of physics later
I mean, PhD student
 
A lot of people didn't like him.
 
Anonymous
@Avantgarde Maybe he was too popular and too busy to give enough time to guide his PhD students
 
Anonymous
5:45 PM
That's one of the reasons people tell you to avoid doing a PhD under guidance of very popular professors
 
@Blue I think mostly the second point. Surely he was famous, but I guess he didn't really enjoy supervising students.
 
Anonymous
Although there are exceptions, yes
 
Anonymous
@Avantgarde Maybe. That's entirely possible
 
@ACuriousMind <3
 
Doesn't seem like it; but I don't know how far you can trust this...
 
5:46 PM
i don't care if you banned me @ACuriousMind you can't faze my love.
 
@Blue Sidney Coleman is an example. Fundamental guy in QFT, but didn't really like supervising. But still, Politzer and Weinberg (among others) were his students.
 
Anonymous
Mhm. BTW how have you been doing? Long time no see :p
 
He said he only liked supervising those students that didn't really require supervising.
 
why are you challenging him? @ooolb
 
@user685252 ?????
 
Anonymous
5:48 PM
You're still in your undergrads (in physics) , no? @Avantgarde
 
@blue: I'm doing well, was hanging out elsewhere - how time flies on the net...;-).
 
banned
 
"Phase your love" @ooolb
 
@MoziburUllah I think he meant Avantgarde, not you ;)
 
@Blue Yeah, just don't come here so much anymore. I should, though, yeah? I'm good, how're you doing? No I was done with undergrad quite some time ago.
 
5:49 PM
@ACuriousMind do you have to be that dude? :p
 
Anonymous
@Avantgarde I'm doing good. Learning new stuff :). Oh, what are you pursuing presently?
 
I think Arnold Sommerfeld has an impressive record of supervising an entire generation of great physicists.
 
@Qmechanic Yes, clearly, in my opinion
 
can we stop the unrestricted trolling in this room
what is to be gained out of this?
 
@Blue Grad school. So how's your project going?
 
5:51 PM
@ooolb he has banned me many times; don't take it so personally...
...enuf said.
 
Heh, of course @JohnRennie would know about obscure SciFi insults
 
i do take it personally
people express their love in different ways y'know
acm does it by banning people
 
tough luv?
 
John Wheeler too. Yeah, he was another one with lots of students who did good work later.
I think he still has the record of most students supervised at Princeton (physics, at least?)
 
@ooolb I don't. And your last ban was actually by another moderator, though nevertheless well deserved. Give it a rest.
 
5:54 PM
@ACuriousMind lmao
who?
 
Chill out it's 30mins of your life.
 
nah it was 24 hrs
 
I'm not sure what the topic is
 
Not 24 hours!
 
no big deal :-)
 
5:55 PM
@ACuriousMind well deserved? :'(
it was a navy seal roleplay
 
Anonymous
@Avantgarde The wireless charging one? Unfortunately that professor wasn't very supportive and I had to discontinue a month back. But the good news is that I joined two research groups at my uni: a condensed matter group and a material physics group. I was learning the DFTs for certain metamaterials in the material physics group (will re-continue as soon as my damned semester exams end!).
 
Anonymous
And for the condensed matter group I was told to work on application of percolation theory (co-incidentally I was assigned that, just today XD)
 
@ooolb Yes. Threatening to hunt down other users in real life, even in jest, is unacceptable and this is not up for debate.
10
 
Good luck!
 
Sid
@ACuriousMind .."unacceptable"
 
Anonymous
5:57 PM
Electromagnetic metamaterials seem to have good potential for applications..let's see if I can come up with something
 
@Blue Oh sorry to hear. Hm yeah, sometimes (read: many times) things don't work out. Anyway, it's good that now you have something else.
 
@ACuriousMind lmao i just said i'll find them
 
Whats a meta-material?
 
i didn't say what i'd do
i was gonna give them a cookie with blue frosting
smh
 
@Sid Ah, damn languages. It's inakzeptabel in German :/
 
5:58 PM
@ooolb I have been banned for that
 
i'll find y'all
 
@MoziburUllah A material that debates the merits of other materials ;)
 
Anonymous
@Avantgarde He was too busy with his grad students :/
 
Sid
notes "inakzeptabel" in German notes
 
Anonymous
Anyhow, at least I gained some experience with Academia life
 
5:58 PM
Oh, a talking material! Thats one to keep back and show the kids ;).
 
Anonymous
Never take anything for granted :P
 
Sid
@ooolb Hey! I am Sid. You will find me in The h Bar. Good Day
 
@Blue Hopefully you're enjoying it. I've never really done condensed matter, apart from one basic course during undergrad. Which was one of my least liked courses haha. But that was also because it was quite elementary with boring topics. If there was some QFT, I might have liked it.
 
@Sid imperial college?
 
@Blue Yeah, I know what that means. Well, keep working on your stuff.
 
5:59 PM
Hey, I was there...!
 
4 messages deleted
 
Sid
@ooolb ..No
 
@ooolb it gets too personal when you say stuff like that
 
which h bar
 
no messages deleted
 
6:00 PM
why did he get deleted
 
Anonymous
@Avantgarde It's actually not quite condensed matter. Density functionals are more like applications of QM. I'll be doing some simulation work in Car Parinello and Siesta
 
gets deleted
 
i don't get you ppl
 
That was a sockpuppet of a currently banned user. Just ignore it.
 
@Blue Siesta? You're working on physics of napping during hot afternoons?
 
6:01 PM
29 days?
tough luv
 
Anonymous
@Avantgarde lolol. For reference: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIESTA_(computer_program) :P
 
who?
 
@AcuriousMind:Do you get machinary to figure out sock-puppets if you're a moderator?
 
@MoziburUllah Yes, but we don't disclose any details so they don't learn to evade it ;)
 
@Blue Siesta naps are the best though.
 
6:03 PM
Ok, I just guess... ;).
 
@Blue Ah okay. I've never done that before. Interesting
 
@ACuriousMind knows our ip addresses
kinky
 
::updates VPN::
 
Anonymous
@ooolb So here we have another guy who gets sexually aroused by AIs knowing their IP address? XD Select a name for your species
 
don't bait me
 
6:05 PM
You can try sleeping through it...
 
@ooolb All access to personally identifying information (to which IP addresses belong) is logged and using them for non-moderatorial purposes would be grounds for dismissal
 
no kink shaming in this chat
 
@ACuriousMind good bot
 
@BalarkaSen Right, solitons aren't shameful
 
lol
 
6:07 PM
you're getting close the edge @ooolb
 
@ACuriousMind what about vortices?
 
Vortices are icky :P
(I don't know anything about vortices)
 
instantons
tell me everything you know
 
Thats made everything clearer...
 
Anonymous
@Avantgarde If you don't mind, what's the topic of focus in your grad school? Still physics, I guess?
 
6:10 PM
@Blue yes
 
Anonymous
Theoretical or experimental ?
 
Anonymous
BTW nice !
 
Theory
:)
alright I better go
See you later
 
Anonymous
See you :)
 
cya
 
6:12 PM
@BalarkaSen disc?
 
@ooold have some work to do now. i'll check later
 
okay
same bye
 
Sid
@ACuriousMind wait, so by being a mod, you basically know everything about other users?
 
Anonymous
@Sid He has the ability to know ;P
 
Anonymous
But there are restrictions
 
Anonymous
6:20 PM
As he mentioned
 
@Sid IP addresses, email addresses and your real name if you chose to enter it in your profile, yes. As I said, access to that information is logged and we are under no condition allowed to disclose such information to non-moderators.
 
Sid
So, you know everything about me, for instance and to protect your power, you don't want to reveal anything.
We need more whistleblower mods. :P
 
Anonymous
@Sid Elect @0celo7
 
Anonymous
Vote for him next time
 
He would never run for election
 
Anonymous
6:25 PM
(He'll probably set a record by being the fastest mod to lose moderator powers ;))
 
Anonymous
@user685252 How do you know?
 
I asked
 
Anonymous
That's sad
 
nah, he's too busy
 
Anonymous
Heh
 
6:30 PM
I would run
But they added clauses on suspensions to stop JD from running
I'm sure I'm not allowed either
 
Sid
@Blue I can't vote, I think.
 
Raiders don't run.
 
Anonymous
@Sid gainrepfast
 
Sid
@0celo7 Who's JD?
 
Anonymous
@Sid He's a legend
 
6:32 PM
@0celo7 1. The clauses were added before physics.SE's election even started in response to trouble with an election on another site. 2. You can run if you haven't been suspended in the year before the election :P
 
Sid
@Blue meh. People write much better answers. I am too lazy. :P
 
@ACuriousMind I've never been suspended on the main site
do chat bans count or not?
 
@0celo7 That's a lie :P
@0celo7 I actually don't know
 
@ACuriousMind shit boi
when was this?
 
@0celo7 Oct '15, for two days.
 
6:33 PM
Oh, when I posted the JD roast?
October 15, jesus
I wasn't even legal
 
You should be able to view the old moderator message regarding the suspension, though I'm not sure how the interface looks from the user side of things
 
you gotta expunge underage criminal records you know
 
Anonymous
No one knows what your real age is :P
 
@0celo7 The mod message isn't terribly specific. I can give you the link if you want. I presume only you and moderators can see it.
 
Huh
Who issued it?
 
6:36 PM
s h o g ?
 
@0celo7 Site suspensions are usually issued by agreement of all moderators, regardless of who the one clicking the button is
Since a year or so, there's no indication sent to the user who the specific moderator was since there have been issues where moderators were stalked/threatened/harrassed for actions they took on the sites.
 
^ That.
We talk it over.
 
I think it was the JD incident
I posted a question about one of his answers
it had 8 parts
I thought it was reasonable but I got a very stern message from David Z about it
 
We have a clubhouse where we plot^W^W^W^Wchatroom where we engage in somber deliberations.
 
@0celo7 Actually, that was in Sep '15
 
6:38 PM
...what the hell did I do in October then?
did some chat BS propagate to a main site ban?
 
Those were the good old days...
 
@0celo7 It would appear indeed that the suspension was mainly for chat issues but since I wasn't a mod back then I don't want to pronounce that with certainty. In any case, it was over two years ago
 
Hmm, whatever
anyone who votes for me is probably crazy anyway
Just curious, could a mod go on a delete spree or would it get quickly restored from backup?
 
Anonymous
@0celo7 I'll surely vote for you
 
@Blue you're number 3 on my list of crazies (no ban pls, sarcasm)
 
6:43 PM
Who's #1?
 
Anonymous
You sure have some real good life stories to tell to your grandchildren :P
 
@Blue in this chat, I mean
 
Sid
But isn't that 2 years ago? You can still contest elections if it is held tomorrow, right?
 
Anonymous
@0celo7 Good to know ;)
 
@Blue "Ah, let me tell you about the great flame war in the fall of '15..."
 
6:45 PM
I would imagine shog would block my appointment. I'm sure that SE staff have such powers.
Just like provosts can block tenure above objections of everyone else.
 
@ACuriousMind shouldn't that just have been a link to xkcd?
 
@ACuriousMind I'm not the one who got banned for a year, so I think I won!
 
@EmilioPisanty which one specifically?
 
hmm
I have a sneaking suspicion that this inequality I want is trivial
"trivial"
It's the old trick $\delta^2\le \delta$ when $\delta<1$
 
@ACuriousMind hmmmm
 
6:52 PM
hi guys
 
I'm sure there is one, but I can't find it as easily as I thought
 
been away for a bit in code land
 
@EmilioPisanty My predicament precisely :)
 
back for 20 mins lolz
 
btw this one could use some attention
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Q: Calculating the minimum frequency of EM radiation required to ionise an atom, given the work function and ionisation energy

minidave2014I'm currently studying A-Level Physics, and have come across a question asking me to calculate the minimum frequency of radiation required, to ionise an atom of sodium. I am given the work function and ionisation energy (2.28 eV and 5.15 eV respectively). The metal is sodium. Is there a formula ...

 
6:54 PM
oh NO
 
@EmilioPisanty Any objection to me deleting both answers as violating our HW policy?
 
whoever decided to write $\Delta=-\nabla^2$ should be historically shamed
2
 
I've been nursing a headache on and of for the past three days, so I read
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Q: What are the requirements for mirages to happen?

RalnorI was reading these notes http://aty.sdsu.edu/explain/atmos_refr/bending.html and it says that for the temperature gradient of 0.12 K/m the bending of rays matches the curvature of the Earth. I was wondering what the temperature T or temperature gradient T/h must be for a mirage to happen in dis...

 
@ACuriousMind no.
 
ask asking about migraines.
 
6:55 PM
so long as there isn't an wrong answer with an Accepted checkmark
 
@0celo7 Agreed.
 
@dmckee it should be $\Delta=\nabla^2$
I've got the wrong inequalities now
 
@0celo7 no. $\Delta$ is also wrong.
 
do I even want to know what you're suggesting
 
Just use $\nabla^2$ like reasonable people do.
 
6:57 PM
that's really silly
 
@0celo7 Bah. It should be neither. That operator should be visibly marked as second order, and $\Delta$ isn't.
 
Shouldn't two triangles make a quadrilateral instead of a flipped triangle? :P
 
@dmckee exactly
 
ugh
I'm done with you people
 
Sid
@JohnRennie What does H.S. stand for in your name?
You can freely choose not to answer the question, of course
 
6:58 PM
@0celo7 for someone exposed to two sources of incorrect notation, viz. math & engineering, you should be doing the right thing and taking the middle road
 
@Sid High School?
High Sierra?
 
$\nabla^2$ is really silly, sorry
 
Hot stuff?
 
@0celo7 how so?
 
because on $p$-forms it is NOT that
 
Anonymous
6:59 PM
@Sid His parent's names probably
 
@dmckee John "Hot Stuff" Rennie. Seems legit.
3
Probably was his biker name :P
 
@0celo7 what
 
Chester is well-known for it's biker gangs in the UK.
 
@EmilioPisanty The correct Laplacian on $p$-forms is $(d+\delta)^2$
 
@0celo7 I'm not completely sure what you mean by either $p$-form, $d$ or $\delta$, but I notice that (i) none of them is $\Delta$, and (ii) the Laplacian is still clearly marked as second-order.
 
7:02 PM
If you can't remember that $\Delta$ is second order, you've got bigger issues than notation
and arguing about PDEs without knowing any of that is a weak effort
oh Chow et al. do something completely fucked and write $\Delta_d=-\Delta$
 
@0celo7 it's not a recall issue. it's that the notation should clearly reflect the core properties of the object it's representing
 
@EmilioPisanty ::shrug:: I've never heard anyone complain about $\Delta$, just the sign
You seem to be in a small minority
 
Sid
@0celo7 and by extension, doesn't that mean he is wrong
 
@Sid Well, one can't be "wrong" about notational preferences
If the only place he uses the Laplacian is in $\Bbb R^3$ for the Schroedinger equation, so be it
But I use it in far more general contexts where $\nabla^2$ is inappropriate
 
7:25 PM
@0celo7 I've never seen $\Delta$ used for the laplacian anywhere other than the mathematical literature
I'm happy to be proved wrong if you have examples in the physics literature, though
 
Anonymous
I don't think he cares about physics literature :P
 
so long as you don't mess with the sign (i.e. the laplacian should be negative semidefinite) then notation can be pretty fluid as far as I'm concerned
 
deep down he does
 
but as to "being in a small minority", if it's number-crunching you're proposing, then yes, "small minority" does describe the mathematics literature when compared to the physics literature
(just saying)
 
I think what I consider "physics" is different than what Emilio does.
 
7:27 PM
@0celo7 but yeah, I guess if you're doing graph laplacians or some such, then $\nabla^2$ might not be the best notation
 
No, not doing the graph Laplacian.
 
@0celo7 you're doing the some such, then?
 
Like I said, the $p$-form bundle Laplacian isn't the square of a covariant derivative.
Nor are any of the Laplacians used in index theory.
 
I blame the french for the sign issue
I feel like they'd do that unironically and be happy with it
 
7:32 PM
speaking of unironically
I saw some idiots playing Never Gonna Give You Up unironically
on the train, too
 
didn't they have a thing about 0 being both positive and negative too?
 
I didn't know that was a thing
 
@user685252 wot
 
yeah, I dismissed it as a language issue
translation etc
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A: Is zero positive or negative?

Willie WongIt really depends on context. In common use in English language, zero is unsigned, that is, it is neither positive nor negative. In typical French mathematical usage, zero is both positive and negative. Or rather, in mathematical French "$x$ est positif" (literally "$x$ is positive") allows the...

 
8:01 PM
Ok coding again. Weekend personal hackathon,. . . and we're off
 
hack-a-away :-)
 
@ACuriousMind you seen this one?
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Q: Operator in quantum mechanics

user2723984I'm really confused by the definition and uses of operators in quantum mechanics. Usually we say that the state of a system is described by some vector $\lvert\psi\rangle$ in a Hilbert space $H$, and then we define operators acting on said vector, for example $\hat{p}: H\rightarrow H$. But often ...

 
Well, I'm afraid the answer is that that integral doesn't exist except in the imagination of physicists :P
 
Dirac notation is an abusive notation that requires abusive math to work
 
8:16 PM
@ACuriousMind well, it's in your answer
anyways, just giving you a heads-up in case there's any clarifications you want to make there ;-)
 
@ACuriousMind Your answer is hilarious, what on earth is that Ket map even supposed to be
 
I think in Jun '14 I had not yet fully realized the position eigenstates are not states
 
the identity?
change of notation map?
 
Lol, probably. Give me some time to decipher myself from three and a half years ago ;)
 
8:20 PM
uh
how do I do separation of variables with an inhomogeneous boundary condition
ah
you add a simple function to the homogeneous one
 
 
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