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3:01 PM
@Moses Every other quantity that commutes with the Hamiltonian and is not explicitly time-dependent also has that
(That's what it means to be a symmetry generator - the expectation value of the generator is the conserved quantity associated to the symmetry)
 
@Moses ACM is telling you about the Ehrenfest theorem.
@ACuriousMind Can one prove the nested interval property using the finite intersection property + Heine-Borel on the largest interval?
 
Thanks
 
@0celo7 What was the nester interval property again?
 
@ACuriousMind $I_1\supset I_2\supset\cdots$, $I_i$ are closed, then $\cap_nI_n\ne\emptyset$.
In analysis we proved it some other way without using topological stuff.
 
This holds for compact (and hence closed) subsets in Hausdorff spaces
It's not very hard to prove it directly
 
3:13 PM
It's hard for me.
 
although there is some cute trick, and you need the general definition of compactness (in terms of coverings)
@0celo7 I also wouldn't have come up with it on my own
(or at least not quickly)
The sets $X\setminus K_n$ are open, and if the total intersection is empty then they're a covering
 
@0celo7 Yes, one can show that in a compact space, non-emptiness of all finite intersections $I_{i_1}\cap \dots \cap I_{i_n}$ implies non-emptiness of the total intersection.
 
@Danu Sweet thanks for the example of the non-unitary CFT
that's actually really cool
what reference is that?
 
@FenderLesPaul Blumenhagen's book
@0celo7 Now use compactness of the $K_n$ (or $I_n$ in your notation) to find a finite subcovering of $K_n$
and it will lead to a blatant contradiction
Can you work with that?
 
@Danu cool thanks
 
3:17 PM
(he doesn't discuss them any further)
@ACuriousMind You don't need compactness (Hausdorff suffices)---but the sets $I_n$ should be compact. Of course if you assume compactness then closed sets will do
 
@Danu You do if all you know is that the $I_n$ are closed.
 
^yeah
I just edited my previous :D
 
@Danu Also, "Hausdorff suffices" is a strange statement since neither of Hausdorff or compactness implies the other ;)
Unless you are one of those people to define compactness to mean Hausdorff + existence of finite subcoverings
 
Heh, yeah, but still I think of compact as a much stronger condition
Compact is "almost finite"
Hausdorff is just a local property
 
Many spectra of rings are, for instance, compact but almost never Hausdorff
 
3:20 PM
Ah, this may be a geometric vs. algebraic thing.
In geometry one almost always requires Hausdorff, to get reasonable results :)
 
The algebraist actually uses "quasi-compact" for "compact" and says "compact = quasi-compact + Hausdorff".
 
Ah, okay.
I personally find things like the Zariski topology rather distasteful at first sight ;)
 
@Danu The prpblem is that the Zariski topology is so weak that Hausdorffness is a very strong requirement for it (only fulfilled if the spectrum is finite and discrete, I think)
 
@ACuriousMind See the above ;) It's too weak :D
 
IIRC the space of foliations is not Hausdorff!
 
3:24 PM
Are there any good resources (apart from Tong's notes) that derive quantum mechanics as a limiting case of QFT?
 
@Slereah Yes, it's true that non-Hausdorff spaces naturally occur in the theory of foliations.
 
@ACuriousMind Well yeah, I know.
So what I'm asking is that if we take $I_1$ to be the compact space, then the property follows from that?
 
@0celo7 Yes
 
@Danu I'm actually not sure what you want me to prove.
@ACuriousMind Cool.
 
@0celo7 The intersection of a descending sequence of compact subsets of a Hausdorff space is non-empty.
If you assume compactness of the full space then you just need closedness because closed subsets of a compact space are compact, so it's "easier"
But, as I said, in a geometrical sense I think it's fair to say that Hausdorff is "kind of weaker", so I think the former* statement is slightly neater :)
But the two are very closely related. If you can prove one, you should be able to prove the other with barely any modification.
 
3:31 PM
@Danu Ok, take the largest compact set to be the "space" and then apply finite intersection in a compact space $\Rightarrow$ intersection of the entire collection is nonempty
I don't see where Hausdorffness is used.
 
@0celo7 It isn't if you use that the largest set is compact
 
Finite intersection will not give you an infinite intersection being nonempty, will it?
Hausdorff implies that compact sets are closed
 
@Danu In a compact space, it does.
 
@Danu It does in compact spaces, that's the whole point
 
So that the complements are open, and will give a covering if the intersection is empty
 
3:33 PM
@ACuriousMind So I'm right?
 
@0celo7 Yes
 
@Danu :p
 
This way it's kind of a triviality
If you already proved that finite intersection implies infinite intersection in a compact space
Then there is nothing left to prove
 
Bredon says that proof is trivial.
 
Sure
pass to a finite covering
But that's the whole trick of the other proof too, of course
 
3:34 PM
I did it, but I should write down the formal proof...
 
But never mind
Now try to prove the statement I gave you
 
What statement?
 
The proof of which is more enlightening, imo
5 mins ago, by Danu
@0celo7 The intersection of a descending sequence of compact subsets of a Hausdorff space is non-empty.
I already outlined the proof for you
 
@ACuriousMind Is Heine-Borel equivalent to the axiom of completeness?
@Danu I already proved that for a more general space.
 
@0celo7 What is the "axiom of completeness"?
 
3:37 PM
@ACuriousMind Bounded subsets of $\mathbb{R}$ have a supremum.
 
@0celo7 No, as ACM and me just mentioned, compact and Hausdorff do not imply one another
Or are you referring to something else?
 
@Danu Descending sequences of compact subsets always have a non-empty intersection.
 
@0celo7 How is that supposed to be equivalent to "A subset is bounded and closed iff it is compact"?
 
@ACuriousMind Because the prof said we could have taken the nested property as an axiom for the real numbers instead of the axiom of completeness.
 
@0celo7 Okay, show me the proof?
 
3:40 PM
But I just used Heine-Borel to prove the nested interval property
 
I think you need your compact subsets to be closed, which is exactly what Hausdorff gives you
 
@0celo7 There's a weaker statement about general metric spaces. A subset is compact iff it is complete and totally bounded. The axiom of completeness gives you that complete = closed in the reals, but totally bounded = bounded needs some other property of the reals.
 
@Danu Let $X$ be a compact space and $\{S_\alpha\}, S_\alpha\subset X$ be a sequence of sets such that any finite number of them have a nonempty intersection.
Then $\bigcap_\alpha S_\alpha$ is nonempty. Do you agree with this?
 
@0celo7 No. Think about $X=[0,1]$ and $S_\alpha=(0,1/\alpha)$
(I insist that you need closedness)
 
Oh, right, you do.
 
3:46 PM
So you need Hausdorff, as I said.
 
But compact subsets of Hausdorff spaces are closed, so screw you :P
 
That's my point. You need Hausdorff.
 
Yes yes
 
:D
 
@ACuriousMind Hmm
We shall resume this discussion after I have read chapter 9: metric spaces in Bredon...
 
3:49 PM
Which book by Bredon is that?
Not alg.top., I hope :P
 
Topology and Geometry
@Danu why
 
Oh... you mean section 1.9 on metric spaces :D
Oh, because I thought it'd know it
(turns out I do)
 
Yes, section
@ACuriousMind My analysis prof said Heine-Borel is equivalent to the axiom of completeness, but I should ask a topologist for the proof
@ACuriousMind I'm asking a topologist
 
No, I'm pretty sure that total boundedness = boundedness has to show that there's always a larger ball that contains a finite number of small balls, and that has less to do with completeness and more with the Archimedean property.
 
Ah, one needs the Archimedean property to prove Heine-Borel, no?
 
3:59 PM
That is exactly what I'm saying.
 
Does Heine-Borel imply the Archimedean property?
 
I don't think so, but I actually have no idea
 
Researchgate is getting on my nerves
They keep sending me emails when people in my department publish papers
 
I see we have a LIGO announcement parallel session on Thursday. Starting at 15:30 GMT presumably ...
 
I don't really give a shit about Chvala's molten salt thingies
 
4:02 PM
My timezones are all out of whack but I believe we have a chat session now
 
@JohnRennie Fuck yeah
LIGO LIGO LIGO :D
 
@DavidZ Huh, you're right
 
@DavidZ Think so too
...weird
 
Correct.
 
I bet chat will inform us in a few minutes that it is already going on :D
 
4:02 PM
Well they wouldn't be having a news conference if there was nothing to announce
So they obviously have seen a real signal
 
@ACuriousMind Probably :-P So, chat session. What shall we discuss today? LIGO?
 
So they're obviously announcing the Nobel prize for themselves :)
 
@ACuriousMind I need a real topologist.
@Danu In 20 years
 
Apart from every relativist that's ever lived breathing a huge sigh of relief, I wonder how much difference the detection will make.
 
@0celo7 A real topologist has no clue what the Archimedean property is :P
 
4:03 PM
@0celo7 Those don't really care about metric spaces, probably.
@JohnRennie Can you imagine the huge gust of wind that will reign the globe?
 
@DavidZ: is there a formal LIGO chat session?
 
My analysis prof does stochastic DEs, don't think he cares too much about which axioms we can use for $\mathbb{R}$.
 
@JohnRennie Y'know, we'd have to ask whichever mod created the event. It wasn't my doing.
 
@DavidZ Not that it matters. If I'm around I'll join the chat.
 
I think it would be nice to follow along here.
 
4:07 PM
It is not a "formal" thing---dmckee just made the event because it'll be fun
 
If LIGO have made a detection so soon after restarting with the higher sensitivity, simple probability suggests there should be many more detections to come in next year or two.
 
@Danu Yeah, but it's not like we really do anything "formally" around here. I think it's a good idea to do this to bring attention to the announcement.
I like what they do on Space Exploration, making chat events for all the major launches and the like
 
I guess we can expect a flood of questions about gravitational waves.
Perhaps I should go away and read up on them now :-)
 
Emilio ask if we could have a chat for the LIGO anouncement, so I scheduled it.
 
@JohnRennie There's an equation in Straumann's g wave section I could never derive
 
4:10 PM
I called it a "parallel session" because I couldn't think of another title.
 
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@JohnRennie Yeh! Remember the influx of questions when the 9th planet was observed?
 
@0celo7 I struggle with getting a physical insight for GWs. The maths is pretty easy but I find it hard to visualise what an observer would see.
 
We could preemptively post some canonical questions, if people are inclined. (like that one) Or we could go through past questions on the topic and clean them up.
 
I love the idea of canonical questions, but I never seem to find the time to write them.
I have a barely started Q/A about time that I mean to write some lifetime soon.
Then another explaining why time dilation really happens, then a third explaining the twin paradox.
 
Maybe get someone else to write the question, then you can post your answer?
I find it's a lot easier to be motivated to write an answer when the question already exists
 
4:17 PM
The trouble is that the question and answer really need posting together because they're tailored to each other.
Really it's just a single article, but with the first paragraph posted as a question.
I will do it eventually. It's just real life is intruding and, well, the mortgage won't pay itself :-)
 
Yeah, stupid real life gets in the way of everything :-P
 
On the flip side I've finally had to start learning C#
and it's quite fun :-)
 
Really, how so?
 
What do you code in? I ask so I know where to start extolling the virtues of C#.
 
lol
 
4:23 PM
No seriously. C++, Fortran?
 
These days Python/C++/C/bash/perl/sed/awk
as needed
oh Javascript too
 
OK I'm an old time (since the early 80s) C the C++ programmer, and I love the efficiency and strong typing, but it can be such a lot of hassle getting stuff done.
Everything seems to require twice as many lines of code as you think.
C# is astonishingly compact. I'm finding C# programs are half the length of the sort of thing I'd write in C++.
And not having to worry about freeing malloced memory is enormously liberating.
And possibly it's just my C heritage, but C# seems very elegant while Python has always seemed rather scrappy to me.
 
Oh, I'd complain about C++ just as much as you do. I have no shortage of reasons to be frustrated with it, despite having worked with it for many years.
Well, about 5, maybe not "many"
But I have the opposite impression of C# vs Python, at least from what little C# I've seen in code samples. If nothing else, Python seems the opposite of scrappy.
 
@JohnRennie Sadly, I definitely don't either :\
 
Is it just me, or is there a flood of homework, and otherwise rubbish, questions at the moment?
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Q: Find Total Charge in coulombs of 1kg of electrons?

Bilal KingThe question is pretty self explanatory ..And i don't want the answer directly the process would be better.

Absolutely no effort shown at all
 
4:35 PM
@JohnRennie It's not just you.
 
I think I've used my whole quota of close votes every day for the last week or two
 
It could be because of finals weeks
 
I notice a lot of homework questions come from students with Indian names, though I suspect this just means Indian students are more willing to study Physics than we indolent westerners.
 
On-topic?
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Q: Ryder QFT, Is there an errata sheet?

Thomas WilliamsJust spent the last hour trying to find one, but to now avail. Has anyone ever seen such a thing?

@JohnRennie I think it is because the Indian system forces everybody to do these crazy HUGELY important mass-tests
 
@Danu I was thinking no, but I'm not sure
 
4:39 PM
I'm also not sure. The is meant to have "is this a mistake or not" type of things, no?
 
BTW, seems to be a meta tag from its description, is that really a useful tag?
@JohnRennie It might also just be because there simply are a lot of Indians compared to most other nationalities, I think
 
Hiiiii!
 
Well I mean Indians are supposed to save us from destroying ourselves. #ShreyPatel
 
@ACuriousMind I'm not very impressed with it
 
I don't think anyone is
Maybe we can burninate it?
 
4:57 PM
What
 
@Danu ok with me
 
5:13 PM
Hi! For many reasons I am very uncertain whether I should agree to a particular topic for my PhD thesis. Since I have a hard time to figure out if this is the right topic for me, I would love to hear your thoughts on this!
 
Oh, I forgot to close the chat session (not that it needs it). But see everyone in two weeks!
@eigenvalue it would probably be easier for people to say something if they knew what the topic was
 
@eigenvalue it's 30 years since I did my PhD so my advice will be long out of date. I'll help if I can though.
 
Sure! :-) Here you go:
This is the literature on which my thesis would be based: https://www.dropbox.com/s/msw6duhh43syxn0/literature.pdf?dl=0.

The thesis topic would be mainly about "Photon Surfaces" - and apparently it is connected to the field of "gravitational lensing"

There are two main concerns:

i) My passion in General Relativity is the question about time and causality. I like any type of problems related to causality, such as the concept of iso-causality. I believe that the proposed thesis topic doesn't have anything to do with any of the problems I am interested in. Is there an
I do not have a good feeling about this PhD project.... But I also do not have a lot of experience to judge it from a professional standpoint
 
Have you asked your potential supervisor?
Before agreeing any PhD place you need to discuss the idea with the supervisor and make sure both of you are happy it's a good fit for you.
 
Yeah, that's going to be more useful than anything anyone else can tell you. Talk to your advisor about it.
 
5:22 PM
Remember that the supervisor wants eager and successful students who will make him/her look good. So they will be as keen as you that it's a good match to what you want.
 
He is not a reliable source.
 
@eigenvalue in that case you probably shouldn't be working with him
 
@eigenvalue that's a really, really bad way to start
You will need to trust your supervisor to do the best for you, and if you don't feel that trust exists you need to think long and hard about this, regardless of what the subject is.
 
But the other issue I have is that I am not sure if the topic OK. The citations are very limited. Whats your take in the citations he provided?
 
5:24 PM
I don't know the area well enough to comment
 
It looks like 60% of the citations are from two people that are not very well known in that field...
 
With most PhDs, especially in a subject as well worn as relativity, only a few people will have a really authoritative knowledge of the field. Your adviser is (should be) one of them.
 
@JohnRennie That's a helpful input. My supervisor is in a good group, but he doesnt have tenure.
 
All academics started out without tenure, and working with a young ambitious supervisor can be better than working with some prof who has a million other things to occupy his mind.
But if you don't feel you can sit down and have a discussion with this about your (prospective) supervisor that's a problem.
 
@JohnRennie That's true, but on the other hand working with someone who has connections to the top researchers in the field is way better than working with someone who doesn't
 
5:28 PM
@JohnRennie He is not young anymore... he will retire without tenure. Although he is very nice, friendly and helpful - and the topic is in GR... I feel there are too many flaws that could hurt any further career
 
@eigenvalue I feel like there are too many things we don't know about the situation to offer useful advice, other than generalities.
 
How do you know if a prof has tenure or not
Check the CV?
 
The problem with the topic is: I cannot talk about it with him because its his "baby" and he is totally convinced about the topic and idea behind it. But it seems that nobody else in the world seems to care about this particulat topic...
 
No one cares about his baby :(
My supervisor just "does physics" and he's in luck that his physics has applications
 
@0celo7 Yes, his baby gets ignored for many years already. In my case, this potential supervisor is in Europe and he is not even a Professor, but a scientific researcher . In Europe this is OK, in general. But in the USA this could be a problem later on
 
5:33 PM
@0celo7 usually, you can tell by their title. Pre-tenure professors have a title like "assistant professor" whereas tenured faculty are "associate professor" or "professor". But the specific titles in use and their meanings can vary by country, and even from one university to another within the same country.
 
@eigenvalue Hmm, he's not even tenure track faculty?
 
@0celo7 he is part of a reserach group at a European university, but this is not a permanent position
 
Hmm, so like visiting faculty from another uni or like an independent contractor with a PhD
 
The system is Europe is a bit different from the US system. It's more like an employee of the university who does research
 
I've never seen such a thing here, but I've hardly been around.
 
5:40 PM
Anyways, If I want to stay in academia in the USA, my supervisor should be probably a professor. Otherwise it could look strange on my CV
 
Maybe.
 
Do you think you'll find the proposed project interesting, even fascinating? Have you researched it to find out what it involves?
 
@JohnRennie Yes, I did. On the one hand, I like it because I could stay in General Relativity. But on the other hand, it doesn't seem to involve causality (time) questions.... which is what I am most interested in ... So I have mixed feelings
 
Wtf I have to make 20g of some crystal for a friend of my prof at Stanford
That's a LOT of crystal
@dmckee So the woman who can put me on the NE payroll is out sick indefinitely
I'll probably never get paid, so the tax thing is irrelevant
 
6:19 PM
Your formula for the force on the dam is wrong :/
 
is it a lie or a dam lie?
 
::badum-tiss::
 
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@eigenvalue Not necessarily. As someone who's never left the US, I'm well aware that most permanent researchers in Europe are not tenured and not even professors.
 
user54412
Expecting all Europeans to be supervised by tenured profs would be like expecting all Americans to be supervised by Nobel laureates.
 
Is it normal that I'm not aware of that
 
user54412
6:30 PM
The key, as mentioned above, is trusting the adviser, having him trust you, both being enthusiastic about the project, and doing something that someone else at least sort of cares about.
 
user54412
@0celo7 yes
 
@0celo7 but you aren't aware of anything
 
I'm glad that I solved Feynman exercise.
I mean about crystal lattices.
 
6:46 PM
@FenderLesPaul first cornell showed up
I wish I had applied to cornell and u chicago
 
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Q: AC electricity. I dont know what happens when thevenergy flows both ways in AC electricity

user106648I know that electricity in AC flows both ways but I do not know what happens when it flows both ways. Whats the difference

How can a question be asked by a non-existent user?
It's 7 mins old and was not migrated here.
 
@FenderLesPaul Savage :'(
 
user54412
do we allow unregistered questions
 
user54412
after all we (for some reason I still can't comprehend) allow unregistered people to submit trash edits
 
7:02 PM
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Q: Feynman exercise - container with steel balls

hubotYou received many steel balls of the same diameter d and container of known volume V. All dimensions of the container are much greater than balls diameter. How many balls can be placed in a container? Could it be a correct solution? To place balls in a container we should arrange this container...

I'm solved succeeding Feynman problem.
 
(Also note that posting your question to chat directly after you asked it is not necessary)
@ChrisWhite Kind of...there are those strange users with (unregistered) behind their names on their profile, but their username is usually clickable, not like this one
 
ACuriousMind: I'm going to using Stack Exchange check can I be sure that I wasn't mistaken somewhere.
I hope that my question are not downvoted.
 
That's off topic.
Aka not allowed and now ACM had to waste a close vote on you (assuming he still has some)
 
But this question is about physics.
 
Today's topic in PDE: Fourier series
@hubot Not relevant
You should read the rules
 
7:11 PM
I don't understand. In Feynman lectures are probably serious problems.
It's not question about homework from my school.
It's question from serious exercises from freshman year.
 
Doesn't matter.
 
@hubot Please read the posts I linked, especially the homework policy. It doesn't matter whether or not the question is actual homework, you should ask about a physics concept instead of asking for the solution to a specific problem or about the correctness of your solution
 
The anti-homework policy includes more than homework.
 
But here they ask about exercises.
 
@hubot What?
 
7:23 PM
I understand... concepts
Which may be concept eg. classic mechanic, relativistic mechanic, optics etc.?
 
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Q: Adding groups called experiments

kpvWell Thank you folks. This is wonderful site. I got on to it recently and think should have found it long back. Answers here helped me to get rid of the mystery surrounding my mind in context of quantum entanglement. Now the observed behavior makes complete sense, which is a big relief for me. I...

 
Are considerations about the principle of virtual works sensible physical concept?
 
@ACuriousMind Doing integration by parts in PDE, this is harder than quadratic equations 😵
 
user54412
7:41 PM
@ACuriousMind perhaps some sort of injection test by Shog9, in the spirit of LIGO? ;)
 
@eigenvalue : I get a 404 when I follow your link. So there's not much to go on, and it occurs to me that you might upset/annoy some people in your department if you ask pointed questions. Why don't you ask a few tangential questions on the stack exchange?
 
8:04 PM
Why you have to jump on disagreement. It is not taking anything away from you or anybody else in terms of what you already got on the site? — kpv 14 mins ago
Huh?
 
user54412
well clearly any of your resources I choose to appropriate for myself are not lost to you, because the world revolves around me
 
@hubot It leads to another correct framework for doing physics so it must have some value.
@ChrisWhite There are (at least) two ways for a post to have a non-clickable user.
(a) Migration from another site where the OP on teh original site does not have a linked account on the destination. But I think you can tell those because they say they've been migrated.
(b) The user who asked it was later deleted or dissociated from the post. I presume that this is the situation in this case.
 
8:42 PM
@dmckee But...that happened less than 10 minutes after posting?
 
8:53 PM
@ACuriousMind good to know someone else thinks you're mean
@ACuriousMind How much analysis do I need before I can look into the proofs of the Fourier stuff we're doing in PDE
 
9:07 PM
Is gravity the only fundamental interaction that extends infinitely?
 
@SirCumference No.
Hint: which of the bosons are massless
 
photons and gluons
why?
 
@SirCumference So what do you think the range of the electromagnetic force is?
 
Well, seeing as though photons carry it...
Wait...
Now I'm confusing myself.
So I guess the electromagnetic force goes on infinitely as long as the photon keeps going?
 
9:27 PM
@GBeau Cornell came out a while ago
I got my acceptance last week
for Cornell
 
@FenderLesPaul I just got admitted to NYU
 
@FenderLesPaul Congrats! That was my alma mater, so if you have any questions let me know.
 
@GBeau Congrats!!!
 
@CRDrost It's his, too.
 
@CRDrost I'm an undergrad at Cornell :)
@CRDrost Thanks!
 
9:31 PM
Congrats
 
Cool beans.
 
Still waiting on UChicago
 
I wish I had applied there, I think I had a good chance in retrospect
....I'm gonna not think about it :P
 
@ACuriousMind Uhm .... I didn't look at that. Now I don't know what to think. It's possible there is a third channel for creating such posts, but I can't think of one right now.
@SirCumference Now the key question: why does the electromagnetic force seem to get less important relative gravity as the scale increases, given that they both have infinite range and E&M is undoubtable stronger?
The answer is both very simple and important.
 
9:47 PM
Because masses become so large.
 
That's half of it. What's the other half?
 
Meanwhile, the electromagnetic force doesn't change with mass.
 
Well, there are more electrons there every time you add another atoms, right?
 
Yeah?
 
So there is more charge present in large masses.
 
9:50 PM
Well the net charge can be the same, right?
Theoretically.
 
Bingo. The really important fact here is the E&M includes 2 signs of charge that can cancel out. So those big pieces of matter are approximately neutral.
 
Yeah, thought about it some time ago
 
@dmckee where do I buy a slide rule?
 
@dmckee It never really made sense to call gravity the "weakest force", since
1) Well, it's not a force
2) It can be extremely effective at certain scales, in comparison to the other force
 
@dmckee where do I buy a slide rule?
 
9:53 PM
On the internet. I don't think anyone manufactures them in bulk anymore and I ahve never seen one for sale at retail.
 
Sorry for the double message ; on my phone
 
Chat actually has a de-duplicating mechanism that usually prevents that. But @Sir's intervening message made it possible.
 
Sorry, haha
 
@SirCumference On the contrary, it makes perfect sense to call gravity the "weakest force". For the particles that make up matter, if you take just a few of them, the electromagnetic force between them is far larger than the gravitational force between them.
 
It remains useful to think of gravity as a force in many contexts, and people have even tinkered with QFTs for it. But they are tricky.
 
9:55 PM
@SirCumference What's a force
 
@0celo7 Goddammit...
Why?!
 
@SirCumference do you want to know what gravity really is?
 
I've read into it a good amount
 
I think it's string RG flow or some shit, @BernardMeurer
 
The curvature of spacetime caused by an unbalance of energy in the Universe
 
9:56 PM
It's magic and illusion, that's what it is. In fact the particles just like hugging each other
 
@ACuriousMind At those scales, yes. But think of black holes: could any of the other forces be strong enough to pull in a massless particle?
 
But the physicists are too cold to accept that
 
Sorry, let me fix that
One going at the fastest speed in the Universe?
 
The speed my pick up lines fail?
*with which
 
user54412
@ACuriousMind And I never understood why everyone seems loathe to interpret that as particles being really light compared to how charged they are
 
9:59 PM
@BernardMeurer dude I need a good one
 
@ChrisWhite That's a perfectly fine interpretation as far as I'm concerned
 
@BernardMeurer I personally doubt the existence of gravitons. They would make gravity a force rather than a distortion in the geometry of spacetime
 

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