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12:00 AM
@0celo7 well fix you brain somehow because the old you was cooler.
 
:(
I can't figure out my physics homework anymore
 
 
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1:07 AM
@3507 Do you still like crystals
 
@0celo7 yeah.
 
We have a crystal that's in the wrong crystallographic phase. Someone gonna write a paper on it
 
cool.
i want to work with crystals.
 
If my boss has me work on it I'll be able to tell you more about it, but it's supposedly a big deal
We're looking at how cooling rates affect the long-rangle structure during synthesis and how this effects interesting properties of the material
Effect/affect
 
@0celo7 what is your job specifically?
 
1:35 AM
@3507 whatever my boss needs me to do
 
1:48 AM
@FenderLesPaul 'cuz the stipend sucks.
 
2:06 AM
What's a stipend?
 
user54412
payment too small to be considered a real salary?
2
 
2:39 AM
I like that, I get what it is now :p
 
3:31 AM
@FenderLesPaul what's their stipend like?
NYU's gonna have to have a very good offer to pay for its location!
 
I've always wondered how students at NYU survive
 
I'll find out mid-february
 
undergrads
 
parents
 
is everyone there rich?
 
4:10 AM
@FenderLesPaul caltech
 
4:21 AM
@GBeau 32k including summer
@user507974 I didn't get into caltech
 
@FenderLesPaul is ucsb expensive to live in? didn't look closely
 
I think it is
 
caltech rejected you?
 
well I didn't get an email
during their flood of emails
so I'm assuming I didn't
I have an MIT interview on Thursday
pretty scared
 
also speck spam filters
my rejection went to spam in undergrad
 
4:23 AM
I check spam obsessively haha
 
if the rejection went to spam then I would say the spam filter is working
 
@FenderLesPaul omg dude why are insomnia cookies so expensive
 
it's like 12 of them for my firstborn
 
4:27 AM
I literally just ordered insomnia cookies
like 5 seconds ago
we're made for each other
 
@FenderLesPaul they've been requested for Valentine's day
I'm crying now, I'm poor
 
@FenderLesPaul anyway, 32k is more than Stony Brook or Irvine offered me
and that's INCLUDING the fellowship at irvine
 
I was mainly saying the stipend sucks because of how expensive santa barbara is to live in
 
Hmm, I wonder what grad students make at my school
@FenderLesPaul This
 
Cornell basically gave me the same amount and Ithaca is way cheaper
 
4:29 AM
Knoxville is p. hip for the southeast, but not expensive
@FenderLesPaul can you live on the beach
harpoon your food, etc.
 
LOL yes
I should totally do that
 
@FenderLesPaul Skype, I need wisdom
 
hey guys
 
@FenderLesPaul looks just a little bit more than irvine
stony brook very cheap in comparison
 
is there anywhere that goes into the landing procedure of the apollo lunar modules
 
4:35 AM
@GBeau little bit more expensive to live in?
 
we never actually discuss their landing but given the lack of air friction it must be both kind of trivial and definitely not trivial
 
@FenderLesPaul yeah
 
@GBeau To live comfortably in Goleta is way expensive, but there are many plainer accommodations available. I lived one quarter in an apartment built into a garage with it's own bathroom and kitchen privileges (included a shelf in the second refrigerator, woo hoo!). Most people got on with roommates. It used to be that Isle Vista was both a slum and unreasonably expensive but the last time I was there they seemed to have cleaned it up a bit. Ask DS how it is these days.
 
@GBeau gotcha
 
it is a rich slum
@dmckee university housing isnt a slum but is also ungodly priced
 
4:39 AM
@FenderLesPaul Honestly I really don't understand how NYU works out - my understanding is they don't guarantee graduate housing - in fact, that you're required to find your own
 
the bugs get bigger the closer to the ocean you get
rapidly
 
@GBeau yeah that's my understanding as well
for NYU
 
apparently you can get university housing "cheaply" on manhattan for your first year, though (but after that you're kicked out)
 
"cheaply": 3 arms and two left testes
 
4:52 AM
Hmm, I have 3 nuts -- maybe I should apply there for grad school when the time somes
only 2 arms though
will they take a leg?
 
@GBeau any projections on when harvard/princeton come out?
 
any day
 
@0celo7 only if it comes decorated with the Usain Bolts gold medal and the blood of 43 people from different countries
 
@user507974 43?
seems rather arbitrary
 
4:54 AM
but also no high chances for "by the end of this week" @FenderLesPaul
 
kinda like rent pricing
 
both were less consistent between years than other unis
 
ah ok
so basically totally up in the air
also any ideas on uchicago?
 
so it could be tomorrow, but don't be surprised if it's next week either
 
I thought they would send out late jan but still nothing
 
4:55 AM
@FenderLesPaul woo higher edu
 
@FenderLesPaul last week
 
@GBeau :p
 
@FenderLesPaul they consistently sent out early last week of January or first week of Februar
 
yeah but no one got anything yet this year :/
 
since they have deviated from this, you might expect any day now, but it could just be indicative of a general deviation in their admissions process
leaving it completely up in the air
 
4:57 AM
boooo
:(
 
at which point we could look to the general pattern for most universities: most likely in the next two weeks
 
braces self
 
3 universities I applied to sent out their major wave tomorrow, last year
 
which?
 
Boston, U Penn (spread out onto this day), Brown, UCLA
I don't care about Boston anymore
 
4:59 AM
oh dang UCLA
 
none of those consistently sent out tomorrowish, but it's definitely something to look to
UCLA is fairly consistent on sending out this week recently, though
 
5:21 AM
According to T. Paine, Trigonometry is the soul of science.
 
I heard a "non-mainstream" blackhole physicist (we'll go with that) registered on physics.se. Does anybody have a link to the account?
I want to read the ensuing "discussion"
@FenderLesPaul Do you have any rejections?
 
@GBeau me
 
@0celo7 You rejected him!? How rude
 
@GBeau he's giving me crap advice
not a very good bf if you ask me
 
 
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6:33 AM
@GBeau: Yeh! AFAIK; the name at-least says so. Now who is behind the computer I can't say ;P
 
user116211
Question on him:
 
user116211
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A: Are Stephen Crothers' claims legitimate?

TrimokJust for fun, the vixra papers of Crothers make reference to a "Alpha Institute for Advanced Studies", whose site is "http://www.aias.us/" and we may read claims as : Recently the AIAS group has made some internationally acknowledged discoveries and critical refutations which are being stud...

 
9:45 AM
@DavidZ I see that my latest series of Resource Rec -> CW flags are still pending. Should I stop flagging them? Is it too much to deal with?
 
10:22 AM
@Danu Is there a rule on the use of Physics.SE for peer review?
 
@GBeau Eh.. In what sense?
 
@Danu physics.stackexchange.com/questions/234449/… The asker clarifies repeatedly in comments that he is looking for the specific question he asks -- which seems to amount to a complete peer review. If not that, it's at best asking for an explanation of the article referenced that doesn't specify what needs explained (and therefore would need further clarification)
assuming the former, would it be allowed?
(and, say, ad argumentum we ignore the nonmainstream status of the journal link)
 
"You've earned the Create Tag Synonyms priviledge!"
All dat priviledge
 
10:48 AM
@Danu I was hoping there was possibly a sentence in the help wiki or something on it, but I couldn't find anything. I wasn't intending to drag the source of my question into it.
but possibly the question was more suited for meta.physics than physics.se chat to begin with (I do not intend to submit it there)
 
@GBeau That seems quite suspicious to me
@GBeau Perhaps you could ask a question on meta, yeah.
Why not post a question there?
 
@Danu Right...I was trying to ask somewhat independently of the other "issues" at hand there
 
11:54 AM
@GBeau You can still perfectly well ask a separate meta.SE question.
 
12:45 PM
 
You can't make two light rays coming from two different points of the sun end up at the same point
 
We knew lasers managed to sort of overlay light by having multiple photons produced in the gain medium in a coherent fashion

What prevent us from redirecting the moonlight in a similar way that allow us to build something like a moon laser? is it because we can never get them coherent via any conceivable lens setup?
 
@BernardMeurer Now you pretty much have to do anything I want
 
Read up the analysis for details
"Lately people have been noticing that the world’s biggest baal earth promoter, Neil deGrass Tyson, aside from being an affirmative-action hymie-weird-style hyped up mythical supanigga from da hood, is obstreperously a pothead. Somewhere in the haze of his bizarre homilies to his ancestral slavemason, Isaac Newton, deGRASS gets the munchies and gorges his fat ass on stardust pizza. "
You never get bored with crazy internet people
"Though Einswine smoked a lot of other stuff, they say “probably not weed”. But at the very least he was an inbreeding pedophile pervert. (He told the cousin he was marrying that her underage daughter was hot and wanted to eff her/marry her instead). He was the posterboy for a theory he plagiarized and had his cousin/wife write a paper on, relativity.
This theory only exists to explain why another theory, gravity, doesn’t work. And gravity was invented to explain why copernican lucifer-centrism doesn’t work. And I guess Copernicus (a mason) made up the heliocentric idea because he 1) loved lucifer and 2) wanted to enslave the masses with misinformation as the freemasons dictate. Gravitation, relativity, and the einstein hoax that continues to propel the “G” motto of enslavement through disinfo."
I knew it
I never trusted Einstein and the Evidence
 
This is the first instance of "nigga" in the chat that I know of, @Slereah.
 
1:01 PM
 
Holy shit
 
Apparently you are half the references
 
Halp my brain is disintegrating
Hmm, that must have been one good stress energy tensor
February...shieeeeeet how am I supposed to remember that
 
Dank lagrangians
 
And as for that song, @dmckee, I still recommend it.
Song Lagrangian?
I think I'm going insane
Please mourn me when I leave you
 
did lasers also obey the conservation of eitdude?
 
what is an eitdude
 
étendue, i mean
 
Yes.
It's a general optical theorem
 
Guess my uni undergrad have not taught that...

But my question remains, How is light from some incoherent prevent to be directed in ways so that they all end up coherent and thus forming a laser?
I mean, a laser does not need to have all coherent photons superimposed in the exact same location to work, thus the etendue law shold not be a problem to it?
 
1:14 PM
Lasers are not made linear by the use of lenses
hence the theorem is irrelevant there
 
http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/83105/explain-reflection-laws-at-the-atomic-level
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser#Laser_physics

So basically, using what you said above, since the consituents that made up the moon's surface are not all hopping between well defined states at some characteristic frequency, therefore when a photon scatters from it (and follows the path of least action as it is the only path that does not suffer from much destructive interference) they will end up with different phases that are pretty much depends on which constituet it scatters from. Thus the li
 
the question is not about a moon laser
Also no you can't make a moon laser
Because the moon is just a big hunk of rock
You can't make a laser by shining light on a rock
 
1:30 PM
@Slereah How do you find these things?
 
When reading that xkcd, I intially thought that I could use the lens to tune the phase of the light such that they all end up with the same phase at least for a small (but not point like) area and a small moment of time, so that at leats for that short moment
the energy can be focused onto that region due to how all the photons there will interfere constructively to give a large amplitude of the electromagnetic field there that might be strong enough to start heating or ionising stuff in that region
 
Various websites of compilations of crazy people
It's not about the phase.
He uses purely geometric optics
 
@FenderLesPaul please send me your recommendation on Skype before tonight
 
I guess I am going to need to revise how power is related to the number of waves being superimposed together...
 
@Secret What the heck is that supposed to be?
Instructions how to set up the crystals for some unholy magic ritual?
 
1:37 PM
@ACuriousMind a spider, I think.
 
6 mins ago, by Secret
When reading that xkcd, I intially thought that I could use the lens to tune the phase of the light such that they all end up with the same phase at least for a small (but not point like) area and a small moment of time, so that at leats for that short moment
the energy can be focused onto that region due to how all the photons there will interfere constructively to give a large amplitude of the electromagnetic field there that might be strong enough to start heating or ionising stuff in that region
This
 
Crystals? I can make you some
 
I still don't get how the conversation of etendue will limit me here if I have this set up of lens in order to get the phase all aligned for that short moment in time and space (thus no need to be coherent after leaving that region

But I do sense something is wrong in my argument as thermodynamics will told me, except I forgot how to prove the relation between constructive interference and power delivered to a region
 
@0celo7 I don't think I want to meet your spiders, then
 
@ACuriousMind The nice thing about living on the third floor is no bugs
I can leave food out to mold, no problem
No trail of ants in the morning
And no damn spiders
 
1:42 PM
Spiders are your friend, they eat the annoying insects
(Unless you have poisonous spiders where you live, that is)
 
@ACuriousMind I killed a wolf spider in my basement once.
Brought in the carcass to a bio teacher at school
That was a fun plastic bag.
 
We eventually burned the spider in a Viking funeral
Good times...
The funeral was fun, too. Pretty sure we got cancer from the fumes
Oh and someone broke a table
 
@Danu yeah. Sorry, my bad - I didn't think through it very well, but it doesn't do us any favors to have such a big surge in flags in the queue.
 
Oh god...
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Q: Is it too late to study physics?

ZetaI'm 24 year old student and I study Bachelor's degree of information technology. This is my last year there. Before I applied to this school I didn't know (remember) anything about mathematics or physics, but nevertheless I got in and after that I studied especially physics and mathematics. I ha...

That moment when the HNQ totally misunderstands your site
 
1:47 PM
Ah, it went HNQ
 
It must've...
How else does it have 1k+ views?
 
@ACuriousMind
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/constructive-interference-energy-non-conservation.420462/

Hmm, so given that the moonlit surface is only ~100 C, that means the maximum power I could get would be just that corresponds to that even if I can somehow superimpose all the waves at one spot

A laser does not have this problem (and theoretically can get to arbitrary high power outputs) because the energy that is used to pump the laser is external to the system (the electricity supply)
 
@ACuriousMind keep in mind that a week old spider carcass in a ziplock bag smells terrifying
 
@DavidZ Are anecdotes acceptable as answers?
 
@Danu Yes, you are probably right
 
1:48 PM
I'm asking because every answer to the above-mentioned question is a god damn anecdote.
@ACuriousMind Also the flood of "feelgood comments"
(yes, I am the grinch)
 
It's fine, I'm grinchy with you on this one ;)
@0celo7 Ew.
 
@Danu do they answer the question?
 
@DavidZ These answers are of the form "I did this, so you can do this"
Do they answer the question? I don't know. Was the question intended for anything more than some feelsgood.jpg? I don't know.
 
I suppose you're looking at that career advice question you linked?
 
Yes
 
1:51 PM
@Danu I think that hits the nail on the head. The question solicits crappy answers.
 
@Secret you forgot one thing
A point on a blackbody emits in all directions
 
Which is a separate matter from it being blatantly off topic
 
Who flagged my message? :P
(I'm fine with deleting it---and did so, but I don't think it was offensive)
 
@Slereah Right...
 
user116211
@Danu Probably
 
user116211
1:54 PM
OP wanted some inspiration or boost; that's it.
 
@ACuriousMind See, the spider was stolen from me
And it was lost in school for a week
 
user116211
He got that from those so-called answers.
 
Insecure 20er
woopdiedoo
 
@0celo7 ...who steals a dead spider? :D
 
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Q: What is Quantum Mechanics?

Babra EjazI've heard of this term Quantum Mechanics manier times and i want to understand what it really means but in a bit of comprehensive way.

 
1:55 PM
For what it's worth, if pressed I would say that (1) no, really, the question should be closed, but then (2) in this case the anecdotes do answer the question. Some of them at least.
 
@ACuriousMind The crafty Chinaman, Hao
 
user116211
WTF!! is that question???
 
@0celo7 Okay, more importantly, why?
 
Tempted to VTC with "I'm voting to close this question because it's terrible"
3
 
1:56 PM
@ACuriousMind To fuck with his friend
And the teachers
 
@0celo7 Alright, that makes sense. :P
 
My calculus teacher threw the spider away at least twice
 
My opinion on that "poorly researched" question is as follows:
 
It kept coming back
 
@0celo7 It became an undead spider?
 
1:57 PM
No, someone got it out of the trash
Then Laura (my neighbor) started throwing it away
It managed to keep coming back
Once my psychology teacher got a whiff of the spider (literally), we were forced to remove it from the premises
@HDE226868 ^ kind of shit we did while bored in senior year
 
Based on what I have learnt from my school, my uni and also extensively though this chat in the past month and feymann lectures, quantum mechanics MAY be a bunch of Hausdorff dimension 2 fractal paths that (for some reason) has a phase hence they can interfere like waves and the outcome we get is the probability for some observables (be it its location, or its various physical quantities like angular momentum to be measured.

There underlying princple is that they are linear "stuff" and thus superposition and to them every obstacle is just a potential, thus empty space
 
@ACuriousMind We gave the spider a name -- trying to figure out what it was
 
PS the husodorff dimension description came fomr that journal shared by slereah earlier
 
You mean Hausdorff?
 
@Slereah, stop linking crackpot articles to this guy :D
 
2:01 PM
yup, I have trouble spelling names...
 
Although I suspect it probably was a perfectly fine article for what it was talking about...
 
@ACuriousMind I did become known as the guy who brought a dead spider to school
Took a while for some people to forget about that
Rupert!
 
@0celo7 A wonderful fame to have in school :D
 
@ACuriousMind Better than being that one smart ass who reads Hawking-Ellis
High school me was so smart sniff
 
Well, the maths in that article seems quite reaosnable in modelling the physics, thus I guess that might be convincing enough.

But for most purpose I just think of quantum states liek feymann does, some kind of abstract paths with phases
 
2:03 PM
We had some spiders living at the back of the classroom behind a large plank leaning on the wall, but no one really cared about them
 
Is it ash Wednesday?
It is!
 
@ACuriousMind Man that was just xkcd!
 
@0celo7 yup
@Slereah lol
 
xkcd is pretty crackpotty
Brb classes
 
Oh wait do you mean the hausdorff dimension thing
That is not crackpotty
 
2:04 PM
yup
 
It just describes the types of path in a path integral!
 
It's quite convincing actually
in that the model can account for most of the physics observed
 
Well yes, it's just the path integral model
Though be aware that the fractal nature of the path does not actually explain QM by itself
It is just the analog of the uncertainty principle
 
ok, noted
 
You still have to sum over all path amplitudes
 
2:08 PM
@Slereah The path integral integrates over all continuous paths. How could the Hausdorff dimension of that be fixed?
 
The integral over differentiable paths has measure 0
 
Yes, but all the rest have exactly the same Hausdorff dimension?
 
Hm
Not quite sure
I should read up my Jaffar and Grimm in more details someday
 
E.g. the Koch snowflake has a fractional H.d.
 
maybe reread Demichev also
Demichev is a pretty good path integral book
 
2:11 PM
I guess one can try that out by taking the most general equation of the uncertainty princple (the one involving the commutators) and then try to impose the fractal formula into it and see if the n pops out is still 2
 
The paper by Abbott isn't really that math heavy, I wonder what the stochastic theory version looks like
I guess it is best to look up wiener processes for that
 
@Slereah: It's okay, I found it: Brownian motion in d>1 has Hausdorff dimension 2 almost surely
 
I guess the other paths of other Hausdorff dimensions are also of measure 0?
 
Yes, that's what almost surely means
 
@ACuriousMind It's also quite intuitive :)
 
2:16 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_decoherence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement

So I guess, the really fundemantal thing about quantum is that:
1. Why on earth do paths have a phase
2. What is the exact mechanism of making two states coherent (the maths just says, get them to have the same phase, but it is more probable to gain some arbitrary phase factor form interacting with something else than the same phase factor as the state of interest (as quantum states tend to decohere by interact with the envrinoment, so what makes that quite easy to do)
 
@Danu : I flagged something that could have been construed as racist, to protect the site.
 
@Danu Yes, but "it jitters all over the place so it's almost always almost space filling" is not a proof ;)
@Secret Do not think about quantum mechanics as being fundamentally about paths. That doesn't work at all in the finite-dimensional setting for e.g. qubits.
 
Is there a simple sketch of the proof for that @ACuriousMind
 
@David Z : there's other instances too. I don't take offence myself, but some people do, and before you know it they're saying physicists are racists.
 
@ACuriousMind ok. but the fact quantum states interfere suggest the phase is there (regardless on whether it is a finte or infinte system), though I am not sure if asking "where is the phase came from" is a physics or a pphilosophical queston
I am more interested in , however the mechanisms on how people prepare two coherant states and the exact mechanism on how entanglement arises in the interaction of two states
 
2:25 PM
@Slereah You can show that Brownian motion is almost surely locally $\alpha$-Hölder continuous for $\alpha\leq 1/2$, and that the graph of a locally $\alpha$-Hölder continuous function has Hausdorff dimension $\leq 1 + (1-\alpha)\min(n,1/\alpha)$
 
http://www.amazon.com/Quantum-Mechanics-The-Theoretical-Minimum/dp/0465062903
This book I recently brought might contains smoe answers to that since it does talk quite a bit abotu entanglement
 
Then you just need to check that this inequality is actually saturated.
For which I don't have a sketch
 
Footnote: (extending from that moon xkcd comic) I am guessing that since probability, like intensity, has to be conserved, if I can somehow causes the amplitudes of a system to all interfere constructively in a small region of space and a short moment, then I am guessing I am effectively have "localised" the system into that particular state for that moment in time and in the small region
Mathematically, I should be able to demonstrate this by summing up all $|\rangle$ of some given state and showed that as the probabilty of this tends to 1, the probabilty to be in other $|\rangle$ has to tend to zero
 
o Holder is a Fancy Lifschitz
Lipschitz
 
@JohnDuffield Oh, okay. I hope you personally didn't take it to be racist, though, as I was just repeating the earlier-quoted text.
ah:
19 mins ago, by John Duffield
@David Z : there's other instances too. I don't take offence myself, but some people do, and before you know it they're saying physicists are racists.
 
user54412
2:49 PM
@Danu I feel grinchy with these questions too. It's great for people to pursue their goals, but we should be honest with them when talking about spending the next decade of the prime of their lives chasing after something they don't even understand.
 
@ChrisWhite I'm almost tempted to write a detailed answer with (hopefully available) statistics to show exactly how bad your chances of "making it" are if you start later-than-usual :P
 
Physics takes a lot of mind wrapping to understand. That's one major reason I pursue a physics and chemsitry undergraduate major despite at that time I am actually much better at biology
because I knew that once I have the physics, I can get back the study in biology very quickly
My unddegraduate was structured in a way such that I learn at least level 2 content in all 4 pillars of natural science
 
@Danu I never ended up asking a meta.physics question, but the reason the question I linked was put on hold suggests a resolution at least some members agree with - that no such peer review request could ever be self contained
It might still be worth a meta question, though
 
Yeah
 
If you want to ask it, I'd be interested in following it; otherwise, I won't get around to it for at least a day or two
 
user54412
3:02 PM
For the last month or so, and especially this past week, arxiv has been flooded with papers clearly written based on leaked LIGO results: "Let's just randomly model this particular black hole merger" and "LIGO's first detection will definitely look like this"
 
heheh
WOULD BE A SHAME IF THIS COINCIDED WITH SOME RESULTS
 
@ChrisWhite Hehehe :D So nice.
 
BICEPS, you're hinting...?
 
No
LIGO
See pinned message
 
ok, I read the "shame" wrongly, then

*Reading the message*
Ah, I see
 
3:13 PM
Does anyone know what is meant when stated in quantum mechanics "the overall phase constant of the wave function is of no physical significance"? What is the definition of phase constant used here?
 
@Moses The point is that states are not single vectors in Hilbert space, but rays in Hilbert space. For any $\lvert \psi\rangle$, $\mathrm{e}^{\mathrm{i}\phi}\lvert\psi\rangle$ represents the exact same physical state.
 
It means that $\psi(x) \approx e^{i\alpha} \psi(x)$
Since the expectation value will be $e^{i\alpha} \psi(x) e^{-i\alpha} \psi^*(x) = \psi(x) \psi^*(x) $
 
Thus, the probability amplitudes cannot be directly observed, but the $||^2$ of it (probability) can and this caused the phase factor to become 1 thus we lose phase information
 
@Slereah What is your definition of phase constant, just the off set of the wave function at $t = 0$?
 
"O, yes, according to E. the photon has a mass of 5.10-41 kg, which would give electromagnetic fields a range of no more than 7 mm, indeed a drastic modification of the Standard Model."
:D
 
3:20 PM
@Moses A "phase" is the factor $\mathrm{e}^{\mathrm{i}\phi}$, $\phi$ being any real number.
 
@ACuriousMind What is it graphically with regard to wave functions? I thought it was an off set of the wave function for example $f(x) = \sin(xt + \phi)$, where $\phi$ is the phase constant.
 
@Moses You can't really graph it because it is a complex value that is invisible when you plot $\lvert\psi\rvert^2$ (as Slereah wrote)
 
@Moses : $f(x) = A \sin + B \cos = C e^{ix} + D e^{-ix}$
Moivre theorem and all
 
@Slereah What are you showing by $f(x) = A \sin + B \cos = C e^{ix} + D e^{-ix}$?
@ACuriousMind So it is just an exponential factor of a wave function is that all?
 
You can always rewrite a sine wave in a complex form
In which case the phase of the sine becomes a phase of the form $e^{i\alpha}$
 
3:28 PM
@Moses It's multiplying the wavefunction by a complex number of modulus 1, the exponential is just the easiest way to write such numbers.
 
@Slereah Oh okay
@ACuriousMind Okay understood.
 
@GBeau formal rejections?
If so no
but like I said pretty sure I will get one from Caltech in the near future
 
@FenderLesPaul yeah, me either so far \o/
 
3:43 PM
Thanks for the help!
Am I right in saying that there is no simple graphical interpretation of a complex wave?
 
@GBeau still nothing for me so far
 
Well a 1D wave is doable in the complex plane
Beyond that it's gonna be a bit much
 
An nD complex wave in general has 2n dimensions
Some random algebra doodling:
Consider the set $$A=\left\{\begin{pmatrix}r \\ \theta\end{pmatrix}:r,\theta\in \mathbb{R}\right\}$$
with binary operator $\cdot$ to form a $\langle$insert name$\rangle$

$$(A,\cdot)$$

Define
$$\begin{pmatrix}r_1 \\ \theta_1\end{pmatrix}\cdot \begin{pmatrix}r_2 \\ \theta_2\end{pmatrix}=\begin{pmatrix}r_1r_2 \\ \theta_1+\theta_2\end{pmatrix}$$
where $+$ and multiplication is as defined in $\mathbb{R}$
Then the identity is
$$\mathbf{1}=\begin{pmatrix}1 \\ 0\end{pmatrix}$$ since $$\begin{pmatrix}1 \\ 0\end{pmatrix}\cdot \begin{pmatrix}r \\ \theta\end{pmatrix}=\be
 
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