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10:12 PM
Hey ho
 
@BernardMeurer dude
Everyone failed the test
 
@0celo7 Sup
Dayum
Call?
 
Eating with Reb in 10 seconds.
 
@0celo7 Dammit
Well, I'll be waiting to hear more when you've got ze time
 
user218912
10:46 PM
@rob are you good with qft integrals?
 
rob
@obe Not especially. But I can give it a shot.
 
@obe this book will make my library almost complete.
after it I need four more books
five
then I've basically got everything for the next 3 years.
 
user218912
@rob scroll up :D
 
user218912
@0celo7 cool, it shipped btw.
 
ETA when?
does it ship from Canadia?
 
user218912
10:49 PM
no?
 
user218912
it's eta tmrw.
 
wow!
that's terrible because I have work to do tomorrow :p
 
user218912
oh well
 
rob
@obe Numerator of the fraction is $\exp( (2ak)^{-2} )$?
 
user218912
@rob no
 
rob
10:52 PM
@obe Then it's $\exp( (ak/2)^2 )$?
 
user218912
it's $\exp[\frac{1}{4}a^2 k^2]$
 
user218912
yes
 
user218912
some people did it and said they did it in spherical polar coordinates
 
user218912
idk how that works for this in the limit of a
 
rob
Yes, that's the sort of trick to use.
 
user218912
10:54 PM
any idea how you can get an answer out of that in the limit of large and small a using spherical polar coordinates?
 
rob
Change $d^3k$ to $k^2\, dk \, d\phi \, d(\cos\theta)$
The angular integral just gives you $4\pi$, because your integrand only contains $k^2$
Now you have a one-dimensional integral in $k$, over the real line.
 
user218912
I see but what about the $a$?
 
user218912
doesn't it still diverge?
 
rob
$a$ isn't just a constant?
 
user218912
it is
 
user218912
10:58 PM
but we're taking limit of a to 0 and infinity.
 
rob
Okay. So your integral becomes $\frac{4\pi}a \int^\infty_{0} dk \frac{e^{a^2k^2/4}}{1 + (\mu/k)^2}$
 
in the small $a$ case you can Taylor expand.
 
user218912
@0celo7 i tried that
 
In the large...shouldn't that integral explode?
 
user218912
nope it's supposed to give the same answer with just different exponent on $a$ and different coefficient
 
rob
11:00 PM
Whoops, wrong limits. Editing rather than reposting
 
Mod abuse
 
user218912
hehe
 
rob
@0celo7 I actually don't know how the chat works for non-mods. I can do differently if that's unfair somehow.
 
You can edit messages indefinitely, but we have a 2min limit.
 
user218912
isn't it 3 mins?
 
11:02 PM
Maybe.
 
rob
Well, I was within two minutes. Anyway: it's an integral over the half-line because it's over the magnitude of $k$.
@obe So you care about the large-$a$ and small-$a$ limits, but not the tricky middle?
 
user218912
@rob yes only those.
 
rob
Okay then. The cutoff, you can get from dimensional analysis, is whether $a$ is smaller or larger than $\mu$.
Or is it $1/\mu$.
The cutoff, you can get from dimensional analysis, is whether $a$ is smaller or larger than $1/\mu$.
(since $k$ and $\mu$ have the same unit, and $a$ has the inverse unit)
 
user218912
dimensional analysis?
 
user218912
oh
 
user218912
11:09 PM
so do we take the limit of $\mu$ now?
 
rob
The numerator is a Gaussian in $k$ with width $1/a$ or thereabouts
and the denominator goes to one for large $k \gg \mu$, blows up for small $k \ll \mu$.
 
user218912
yes
 
rob
The small-$a$ limit is the big, wide Gaussian. Ignore the denominator's strange behavior for small $k$: you've got an integral over a Gaussian from the middle to infinity. You can do that one, or look it up.
 
user218912
okay what about large a?
 
rob
The large-$a$ limit is the same as the small-$\mu$ limit: the integral becomes $\int dk \ k^2 e^{(ak/2)^2}$
 
user218912
11:16 PM
wait why is it $k^2$? sorry
 
rob
Because $(1+(\mu/k)^2)^{-1} = k^2 / (k^2 + \mu^2)$
so ... it isn't
As I said: I'm not especially good at these
 
user218912
no you are, you got this far
 
rob
That logic seems to suggest that you get just the integral over the Gaussian in both cases. Seems suspect, but plausible.
@obe ?
 
user218912
nvm didn't see the square
 
user218912
i didn't mean that for the final answer
 
user218912
11:20 PM
I'll use wolfram for that :D
 
user218912
wait so the integral should be the same for both small and large $a$?
 
user218912
not even different by a bit?
 
rob
That appears to be our result. I don't trust it yet.
 
user218912
no it's right
 
user218912
I just read that it should give the same for both cases
 
user218912
11:21 PM
in the question statement
 
rob
Oh. Okay then.
 
user218912
wait nvm :(
 
user218912
so it disappears
 
user218912
wait... no
 
user218912
i read it wrong it should be the same
 
rob
11:23 PM
Well yes: we still have a $1/a$ outside the integral (in both cases)
 
user218912
okay so it works
 
user218912
i did the integral in wolfram
 
rob
Lessons learned:
$d^3k = k^2 dk\ d\phi\ d(\cos\theta)$ (a great and valuable trick)
check units
 
user218912
thanks rob
 
user218912
you're an awesome mod :D
 
user218912
11:27 PM
the only issue is, this was due a week ago and I already failed it, at least I get half marks for setting up the integral since that was a long process too.
 
user218912
(before getting the thing that you cast in spherical polar coordinates)
 
rob
What was the physical motivation that led to this math problem?
 
@rob Give me life advice
 
rob
@BernardMeurer What's your local time?
 
@rob UTC+1 Lisbon
00:29
 
rob
11:29 PM
@BernardMeurer Go to sleep
 
@rob lol
 
user218912
finding the ground state variance of $\phi(x, 0)$ @rob
 
@DanielSank Tells me that everyday already
 
rob
@obe Where $\phi(x,0)$ is ... ?
 
user218912
$\int d^3k [a_k e^{ikx} + a_k^\dagger e^{-ikx}]$
 
user218912
11:32 PM
but it multiplies a gaussian term
 
user218912
so we're finding
 
user218912
$\langle 0 | \big[\int d^3x \int d^3k [a_k e^{ikx} + a_k^\dagger e^{-ikx}] e^{x^2/a^2}\big]^2 | 0 \rangle $
 
user218912
I simplified it down to what I gave you
 
user218912
@rob
 
rob
Okay. So I guess $\phi$ is some scalar field, with particle creation operator $a_k^\dagger$?
@obe
 
user218912
11:38 PM
yes
 
rob
Fun problem. G'night, all.
 
user218912
night
 
user218912
@0celo7 is the book I ordered for you the one you're using in class?
 
user218912
or is it more advanced?
 
For next semester
 
user218912
11:41 PM
oh okay
 
user218912
brb food
 
More advnced
But I'll read it instead of the class book
 

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