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Sakamoto

05:20

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Q: Which manga is Puri Prisoner's dialogue inspired from?

Puri Puri, in One-punch man, always has a star in his technique names to go along with over-the-top expression. I find this style eerily similar to something I can't recall. My best guess is Jojo's BA, but I haven't read that manga, so idk for sure. Could you confirm? If yes, which character in J...

SPArcheon

08:45

@Gokuカカロット Just a question. Feel free to drop it if you want.

During the tournament of power... did you also got the felling that some opponent were expy of other characters from other series?

Memor-X

@SPArcheon think you pinged the wrong message

or maybe i'm missing a chunk of the convosation

SPArcheon

@Memor-X ? why? That ties with the idea that DB Super plot is somehow quite stupid sometime.

Memor-X

@SPArcheon yeh seems like i missed a chunk, i thought you was saying to Shaymin to post about Zeno being an audience stand-in

SPArcheon

@Gokuカカロット Continuing from above, sometime I get that felling that someone - probably Toriyama himself - has a pretty extreme "Goku must be the strongest in every anime ever" complex, and the tournament was an elaborate way to prove he is the best.

Universe 2 is a parody of Magician Girls, but seems to be especially aimed against Pretty Cure and Madoka with the "goddess of Love" thing. Zarbuto is suspiciously similar to Viewtifull Joe.

Universe 3 is Super Robots, not even Vultus 5 has to be better than Goku, so combination robots must be humiliated too.

Worth noticing that Maji-Kayo is really out of place there. Why have him in a mostly robot team?

Because he is there to mock Luffy, that's why.

GEAR THIRD!!!!!!

opsie, I turn small afterwards...

Universe 4 has some Dragon Quest reference, but that at least is still Toriyama after all.

Universe 9 is the furry universe. The rabbit is kinda suspicious, but at least she doesn't use electricity. That said, the way she is mostly left oftscreen brings back bad memories and could be deliberate

Those are just the ones that came to mind. I should rewatch the thing, I kinda remember observing something that looked like Full Cowl

Sakamoto

09:29

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Q: Why does Shirai Kuroko make "spiderman hands" in shock when she gets accidentally tased by Misaka's body?

In the scene where Kuroko and friends arrive to rescue Misaka and Nunotaba from STUDY where Misaka has been given a paralysis drug and is using her electrical abilities to control her own nervous system to move (becoming somewhat like a "human stun gun"), Kuroko teleports to embrace Misaka unawar...

a-certain-scientific-railgun

Goku カカロット

16:09

@SPArcheon Sure. The entire Universe 2 was a clear ripoff of Sailor Moon

@SPArcheon its not just Toriyama, it is Toei animation itself that has this view of Goku, and to an extent they aren't wrong. Not only is Goku literally considered the Superman in Japan, his current strength in Super (and even before Super) far surpasses that of most anime universes. There's a reason why Toei animation made planet, solar system and galaxy busting so mundane in DBZ

Compared to that a more grounded series like Naruto, where characters don't even get to moon busting levels of strength until the end of Shippuden, think of it like end of Buu saga for Naruto. Whereas in Dragon Ball, Roshi nuked the moon in the third arc of the series. Toriyama always intended for Goku to be overpowered and Toei animation was more than happy to expand on that

SPArcheon

16:29

@Gokuカカロット Madoka destroys Goku, Universe Gurren Lagan probably destroys Goku, Gear 5 probably destroys Goku (since by the show own cannon, a "joke character" can't be beaten even by Vegeta blue - see Arale) etc.

It is not about "overpowered". I get the felling that someone in dragonball almost suffers at the idea that Goku is not the almighty Mary Sue above every other character.

Goku カカロット

@SPArcheon 1.) Madoka? Which one? There are several characters named Madoka that I know of. Universe Gurren Lagann? I don't think so, the only GL that'll beat Goku is STTGL, the one who beat Anti-Spiral himself. Luffy vs Goku? I don't mean to sound rude but that's a stupid match up, Gear 5 doesn't have Arale's Level of toon force. In her manga Dr. Slump, Arale controls the plot itself, Gear 5 Luffy never showed that. Not all joke characters are built the same

Besides having his eyes pop out like a Looney tunes character and having him turn anything to rubber isn't toonforce anyway. Even Goku has better "joke" feats that Gear 5

@SPArcheon like I said, that's Toei animation and probably all of Jump Comics too. Then again, you can't fault them for thinking that. Find me another mainstream anime where characters destroy galaxies, universes as if they're made of paper

Besides Saint Seiya, which is also a Toei production ^^

SPArcheon

@Gokuカカロット G5 has reality bending powers, he converts reality in a toon to his own advantage. If the "ultra instinct" is idiocy at the level of "plot armor, now you can't touch me unless plot requires it", g5 is basically "I can alter space as I need to be able to beat you".

Kamekameha would probably end up like Kaido boro breath.

Goku カカロット

@SPArcheon I don't think you understand how these debates work. Luffy never "bent reality", the only thing he did was pop his eyes out like daffy duck, and change stuff to rubber. None of which is of any use against Goku (Goku already resists transmutation). Your description of ultra instinct and G5 is horribly wrong

@SPArcheon A Kamehameha from a roshi with a power level of less than 300 nuked the full moon. I don't remember anyone in One Piece even remotely match that with their attack. You really shouldn't try to compare the two, Dragon Ball isn't the strongest, but there's a good reason why it warrants a mention when talking about really strong anime universes

Not just any random verse can beat it no, sorry

SPArcheon

16:49

@Gokuカカロット I will agree to drop on the G5 thing for now since we do have too little details. You assume the main idea is that the fruit is still centered on the idea of "rubber", I am starting to wonder if the idea of liberty goes beyond that. There is a tad to many coincidences of things going as Luffy wanted - it could be about the D, but so far no other D character draw a picture of a future crew member before meeting them.

Goku カカロット

@SPArcheon Look, its simple. In these debates, we don't do hypotheticals. We don't say "hey maybe Luffy can become a joke character like Popeye/Arale, start bending reality and one shot Goku." We can only say this if he has done it before or has shown a ridiculous level of reality warping before stating that maybe he could box Goku too (or any other character too)

Currently though, G5 vs Goku is a disgustingly unfair debate. Goku outskills, outspeeds, overpowers the entire One Piece universe beyond measure @SPArcheon

SPArcheon

@Gokuカカロット Yep, I agree on that. As I said, main issue here is that the nature of G5 imho is still a bit uncertain. I am not sure it is just converting stuff to rubber with added carton level physics.

so, I agree to leave that one out.

Have fun with Madoka though.

Goku カカロット

@SPArcheon let's say one day Luffy literally becomes the author of the manga, like what Arale did. Then yeah sure, he could beat Vegeta Blue and challenge Goku too

But not Beerus, toonforce won't work on him

@SPArcheon which Madoka are we talking about?

Madoka from Beyblade? Dude, Mr. Satan will send her flying

SPArcheon

@Gokuカカロット nope, Madoka Kaname.

and that by the way gives me an opportunity to test a thing...

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Goku カカロット

@SPArcheon isn't she from Magi?

SPArcheon

17:02

now we see how long before Memor-X materializes

Shaymin Gratitude

Madoka from Madoka Magica? She's like, literally a god.

SPArcheon

@ShayminGratitude yep, with good riddance for the attempt of mocking Magician Girl with univ 2.

Goku カカロット

Yeah from what I read about this, DBS Goku isn't really beating her

There was a time where Sailor Moon could beat Goku, thank god it has changed since 2016

Shaymin Gratitude

The Sailor Moon manga is so annoying, since she pretty much just powers up and one-shots everything.

SPArcheon

Funny part. DB Goku would probably get poorly beaten up by actual REAL legend Goku, best known as Sun Wukong.

Goku カカロット

17:07

Too bad she gets finger flicked away by Goku

@SPArcheon Sun Wukong is THE most broken character in any fictional setting

That dude is literally undefeatable

So it stands to reason that a character based off of that guy is gonna be pretty strong too, which Goku is

SPArcheon

@Gokuカカロット "Based off"... like... first 10 episodes of original Dragon Ball were roughly based on Sun Wukong legend. Then... mostly nothing, but I will give them that a demon with a name somehow similar to "Piccolo" is actually mentioned. :P

No Red Ribbon army or Pilaf though.

DBZ premise is more of a retelling of Superman.

Goku カカロット

@SPArcheon That is Toei's interpretation of Dragon Ball. They turned Goku into a Japanese superman, which I alluded to before

@SPArcheon to be fair though, Goku's character and motivation to get stronger is still very similar to Wukong's. He just wants to get stronger for the sake of getting stronger and prove himself

SPArcheon

@Gokuカカロット not what I meant. I meant that is clear that Dragonball did indeed start as a "Journey to the West" inspired manga, but dropped that inspiration pretty soon.

Goku カカロット

@SPArcheon which, as I said, is thanks to Toei calling the shots (which they still do) over Toriyama.

You'd be surprised at how little Toriyama "owns" dragon ball

The only franchise they haven't "snatched" is One Piece and that's because Oda learned from seeing Toriyama, Kurumada and more having their work taken away almost completely and he didn't cuck to Toei's cash

SPArcheon

@Gokuカカロット Oh, don't worry, I perfectly know how executive interference can ruin a series.

Goku カカロット

17:22

@SPArcheon to be honest with you, I like Toei's interpretation of Dragon Ball including a lot of the filler they wrote

Characters like Z Broly, Pikkon, Tapion and more which are Toei's creation exclusively are some of the most loved characters by the community

And Gogeta, from the original 1995 movie, oh boy. One movie is all it took for there to be a literal fandom of his own

SPArcheon

@Gokuカカロット Sorry, I wasn't really commenting about Toei there.

More about my arch nemesis.

Masato Kato.

Hopefully Tetsuya Nomura will have the pleasure of taking apart all the spite he dropped in FF7...

Goku カカロット

@SPArcheon the point is, executive interference is what tends to run most shows a while after they start getting traction. Dragon Ball was no exception, fortunately or unfortunately

I personally think Toei did a lot of "padding" for dragon ball which hides toriyama's flaws in writing

SPArcheon

17:44

Sorry, had to go away for a while

Anyway.
Back to the "stronger than Goku"...

Ryo Asuka :P , but that is probably cheating....

Getter Emperor, probably even more ridiculous overpowered than Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann (not because of its mere strength, more because omniscience and infinite evolution potential)

SPArcheon

18:34

Various characters in Kamen Raiden probably qualify (and surprise surprise, we have the Kamen Raiden expy in the tournament too - Catopesra, who, again surprise surprise, is portrayed as an idiot - see "I will just ignore him")

Various Digimons if you take the way they are portrayed in the show.

(see: Lucemon)

Not anime but still popular - Archie Megaman with the Chaos Emeralds. Yes. That thing exists.

Also known as "DC-like logic, we use words at random"

as a results, the battle is on a multi-universe level power scale

I should also include Nepgear (& the others), otherwise @Memor-X will probably be very angry at me :P

forest

21:31

@Gokuカカロット He could beat Madoka on her own, but not Madokami (Madoka in god form).

Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica is one of those animes that have a lot of time travel and complex timelines, so there's really no "one" Madoka that you could compare Goku to, although in all those timelines, only the final one would be a match for Goku.

With that said, if Goku could destroy Madoka's soul gem (a small crystal she has on her), it would kill her.

My guess is, if Goku wanted to kill Madoka, he easily could, unless she acted first, in which case she could just go back in time and kill Goku before he was born. She isn't a fighter, though. All she has is the magical powers required to "end suffering" which, combined with some time travel anime logic, resulted in her being exceptionally overpowered. A better matchup might be Goku vs Walpurgisnacht (whom Madoka defeated).

Memor-X

@SPArcheon 5 hours ago. i was alseep

forest

Is there a way to hide text in a chat message as a spoiler?

Memor-X

21:47

like this (see history)

forest

Ah. I meant something that could be spoilered [spoiler]like this[/spoiler] within a comment.

Except [spoiler] would actually do something.

Memor-X

there might be third party add-ons for browsers but nothing official unfortunately

@forest well Madoka didn't go back in time actually. that's Homura's power (Time Minipulation). Madoka more appeared in all moments of history and possibly from her perspective, all at the same time

forest

@Memor-X I'd think that omnitemporality could be described as time travel.

Memor-X

possibly but in terms of fighting Goku, wouldn't be possible unless there was a Witch who's presence (via butterfly effect) saved Goku

i'm thinking sort of like in Doctor Who where The Great Intelligence inserted itself into The Doctor's timeline to turn all The Doctor's victories into defeats, more or less killing him

forest

Was that one of the Matt Smith doctors?

Memor-X

21:54

yep

forest

I never really liked those. Anyway yeah, Goku wouldn't stand a chance unless he acted first before Madoka became meguca.

Memor-X

yeh and not just because of the magic powers and what not

if Madoka was to fight seriously/smartly, Homura would be holding onto Madoka's Soul Gem and thus Madoka could never be defeated so long as Homura was close by

and knowing Goku, he wouldn't start fighting Homura, would just be one-on-one with Madoka

forest

Given that Homura can be killed before she goes back in time, Goku would probably want to get rid of her first before she has the opportunity to do anything in the past.

Memor-X

well same sort of thing with Homura, if she entrusts her Soul Gem to someone else (like Madoka) and they stay close enough by, they can't really be defeated

like the only i'd imagine Goku could win is if he obliterated a Puella Magi's body, but (and i haven't seen beyond Resurrection F) Goku very rarely does this to even evil people, he's unlikely to win

forest

I don't think Madoka would have much of a chance if fighting Goku directly, but her omnitemporality would probably be enough to defeat Goku before he even reached her timeline.

@Memor-X Resurrection F? I don't remember that in the anime.

Or is that a DBZ thing?

Memor-X

22:01

@forest DBZ Film

i think it's the 2nd arc to the Super series

forest

Ah. He'd only have to destroy her soul gem though, not her body.

Memor-X

they redid Battle of the Gods and Resurrection F in Dragon Ball Super from my understanding but in Resurrection F and back during the Frieza Saga, Goku didn't kill Frieza unless pushed.

Frieza Saga - resurrected him to give him a chance, only "killed" him after Frieza tried to kill him again even after being shown mercy
Resurrection F - only killed Frieza after seeing Frieza blow up the planet (instantly this time) before having Whis rewind time and then intrusting Vegeta's fight to finish Frieza off

and i think Goku did kill Buu (been a long time since i saw post Cell Saga) but it was the evil version and Goku did wish for Buu to be reborn but as good rather than evil

forest

I've only seen a few episodes, so my understanding of Goku's powers is rather limited.

Memor-X

it's not so much powers but his nature

forest

But I understand that he's basically a more badass version of Saitama.

Memor-X

22:07

Goku likes to fight and see who's the strongest in one-on-one and will (as with Frieza) give near endless chances for his opponent to reform, if only so he can fight them again stronger (as was the case with Buu since he did want to fight Buu again)

forest

Then it's unlikely that Goku or Madoka would ever be in a situation where they'd have to fight each other.

Maybe Madoka vs her own witch form, but Madoka was able to destroy her.

Memor-X

i havn't seen much of One Punch Man but from what i have seen Saitama is more aloof, likely because he knows he can kill with one punch

forest

Yeah, he's just bored because he already maxed out his strength.

It's a hilarious anime. It's one of the few very popular anime that I've enjoyed.

Memor-X

@forest that's true. but if they were Goku wouldn't win because Madoka is more or less immortal by way of her soul not even being in her body and even if Goku stopped showing mercy, he can't kill her if Madoka (or any other Puella Magi) entrusts their Soul Gem to someone else and they remain close by

forest

True.

Memor-X

22:10

so ultimately it would just be to keep fighting until Goku couldn't fight any more and deal the final blow

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Cell's going to blow up the Earth, oh but we're out of food so can't save the planet until the next day

@SPArcheon why? power of Yuri would beat Sigma any day

forest

The power of yuri beats anything.

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