That's just photo sharing sites though, there might be more general free hosting options

I'm upscaling a picture to 4k to increase its size.

will upload here to see if istack is lossy

there was this one hack where gifs were animated to have frames with zero delay draw on top of each other to add all the colors beyond 256

and lol gpu is at %97

not sure it's viable even

I think the largest image I had was about 150 MB

fans at %100 lol

4k is just under 9 megapixels

@Hakase not really 4k

5400x3000 or smth

I used waifu2x to upscale it

so just a regular phone photo

sadly flickr seems to have unfriendly URLs

maybe we can find a way to get the URLs via their API, but I'm not going to look into it right now

waifu2x is pretty great if you have cuda dlls

> The maximum file size for non-animated images is 20MB

> 5MB for account holders will be lossily compressed

so imgur sucks

yeah imgur not good enough

currently uploading a 8mb image to istack

stack imgur doesn't work for large images, it'll give weird errors

or at least it didn't several years ago

yep rip

just gave an error

At the moment I don't think there is any proposed satisfactory solution which will not require either additional programming work or money out-of-pocket long-term.

I'll let you guys decide what the best option is going forward, but tell me whatever is decided so I can reupload my images

3 scenarios: 1) we end up with a paid solution and put donation link here and there 2) we shut down taisho :((( 3) We link to the original source, like pixiv links.

original sources would take a lot of effort to find

even more than putting all the images on a free service like flickr and getting the URLs one-by-one

and there's no guarantee that the original sources of all the images are even online. Many of mine are scans.

@LoganM well I meant it more like "put whatever link you have", that can be imgur links or original sources or etc

not to mention they may not allow hotlinking

ok what about somebody hosting a server 24/7 on an external ip

also an option, but probably more expensive than using cloud storage

@LoganM yeah

that might be more expensive and much slower than paying for hosting but it would probably never get any trouble for not crediting the authors

I doubt we'd get in trouble with google cloud if they didn't care about google drive

@Hakase we never got into issues with google drive

well we did get into an issue but it was able to be resolved pretty easily

worst case we get a C&D and we remove the image

it was free account and they probably have infinite of them, so it might take time for them to process it and so they don't care

but with paid accounts they at least have some way to find out who the bad person is if they're paying with a card tied to their name

I don't think anyone is manually going through the contents of every cloud account

@LoganM oh, when?

A while ago all the images became unavailable because they detected "unusual activity" or something

how did you resolve it?

They validated my account with my phone number and then everything came back on

Only lasted a few hours

I'm reading it has to do with logging in via strange networks

no, it wasn't that

anyway I think cloud storage would likely be fine but someone would have to pay

how much money we talkin?

@Hakase SWAG: 20usd year

yeah all my images together with thumbnails would be less than 10/yr

but what about others

we should make a shared account if other people are gonna add their images

@Hakase how many gigabytes are they it total?

well I don't think anyone else has 30 GB of images to upload

but yeah it would be more difficult to allow people to add their own easily

@arda idk I only deal with image links

I could give them all to you if you know how to count the total sum of all files without downloading them

taisho sent about 9700 messages to date. Lets say that 200 are text.

#post stats

Post module status: Enabled. 15 minutes after the previous post, Post module will start checking if 50 messages have been posted since, and then wait 40 more seconds after the latest message before posting. Links unposted: 759, links posted: 8988, Total: 9747. Image count by user: Logan M: 210; Eric: 1; Frosteeze: 2; Quill: 158; JNat: 124; Gao: 264; Waiting for 39 seconds to pass after the last message.

9747

lets say that average image (+ thumbnail) is 5mb, that is a high estimate imho

yeah 5 MB is pretty high

Mine average <2 MB

48.75GB

googledrive.com/host/… check out some random ones in this folder

swag: that costs about 17usd/year

are those mine?

yes

I can say for certain all my images together are 30 GB

with thumbnails maybe 1 more GB

seems lossless

can you somehow make a stats graph for image sizes and counts?

I'm thinking <=5mb would be the important number

not lossless

so I'm thinking we could just use imgur for small files

I could, but the average is like 1.2 MB

It's a big pain to use different hosting for different images

but how many images >5mb do you have?

perhaps their number is insignificant and we should just use imgur

Probably 500-1000

I'd have to check though

@LoganM sort by size

if people really want to get the big version, they can iqdb it and download from pixiv or danbooru

I don't have the images here, they're too big

@Hakase if we do that we might as well only use thumbnails

we might not need to use thumbnails for the small ones at all

oh

our thumbnail script would be fucked without the _thumb filename structure

too much brianstorming over anime pictures

@Hakase it is fucked anyways

we are switching away from google drive

yes that has to be modified too to accommodate whatever host we choose

yeah checks if it is on google drive or not

there is no way to host on mega, right?

99% sure of that but if there is it would be very easy

hmm maybe

nope

@arda use indent not quote

@Hakase too sleepy

anyway, we can do the code later

the more important part is the hosting

I'm sure 10 bucks per year will not be a problem

but the linking and _thumb thing

I'll experiment with azure tomorrow

I don't wanna recode taisho to hold random generated link pairs for full and thumbnails

well if we do use a hosting service I thing google cloud has similar url structure to google drive

If it seems working well, I'll let you know

Azure storage blobs use the filenames

but you said you can't break any rules

I can't

you can

yea thanks

The big problem I have with the hosting is that even if it's $10 this year, if we keep uploading, it may be $15 next year, $20 the year after that, etc

I'm an avid onenote user, I don't wanna lose my precious thoughts

I basically signed an agreement when being an MSP which had a statement that clearly states that I'll be removed from the MSP program if I break the ToS.

@LoganM this is why I'm thinking we should probably deal away with thumbnails and worrying about resizes completely because it's super easy to find the full version with #what if anyone really wants to

well for just thumbnails even imgur would work

script is client-side though

even if Taisho knows the corresponding full link, users won't

@arda see if a full and a thumb images will have the same random generated parts

yes but make sure they're the same

will check

off to sleep now

good night

you should sleep too

!!time ankara

oh I've already woken up at midnight

@arda 8/18/2016, 7:42:05 AM

@Hakase wat

I'm on a weird sleep cycle now

whatver

night

I wake up on aaround 2-3 pm and sleep on 6-7am

my cycle is weird too

I use 24h clock notation :p

this pm am stuff confuses me a lot

@Hakase you are worse than kyubey

There's a few options at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_hosting_services which might work

sort by free GB

is "direct access" the column we're interested in?

@Hakase I think so

direct access is needed

but I'm not sure it's sufficient

they may have direct access but not allow image hyperlinking

also these 3

at best they should be should be Yes, None, None

Yes, 1tb, 9001 years also allowed

yeah file expiration is very important

I have a very terrible idea

lets use quadfile

googledrive.com/host/0B9du34AejghtNTBjeW5sYUV3Vk0/… …

not sure if we should unbox that

I'll go ahead and unbox it.

#Unbox

So I'm off, you people should try Tencent Weiyun as it seems to give 10tb, never remove files, doesn't have bandwidth limit and have direct access

also yandex disk maybe

> 200% of storage size per day

idk what that means

idk also

I do

let me read up the rules

If the image can only be seen twice it's no good

if the storage limit is 20gb, your daily bandwidth limit is 40gb

If it's on a per-account basis, 40 gb per day is probably fine for this chat

taisho posts 9 images on average per day

but there are many users

The thumbnails will be seen by many users, but they're quite small

The main images are occasionally big, but probably only a few people click those

40gb / 50mb = 800

50mb is extreme though, it is never near that

nor the amount of viewers near 800

There's a handful of images over 50 MB, but much less than 1%

I think we'd be fine in terms of their cap if it's per account, but if it's per image we'd have a problem

those are edge cases

not everyone clicks on every image

I'm off. Try yadisk and tencent weiyun

disk.yandex.ru/?ncrnd=9664

yandex isn't going anywhere but I have never heard of this tencent chinese stuff

we can try both, either would work if they meet our needs

says the volume of the drive, not 2 downloads per file

ok then it's fine

at least for now

I guess

we're gonna have to update everything

but first I'd like to see if we actually will have to update anything

IMO the bigger concern is which will be easier to update to

The tencent thing has been around for 3 years, so it's probably fairly stable

yandex has been around for as long as I can remember

I can't test right now but I can either try the sites over the weekend or someone else can try now

there's one thing to consider about reuploading the whole stock

most of the images have already been posted

yes, that's true

their links would break if they're removed from google drives

I'm not too concerned with old chat messages breaking

well yea

but if someone can automate it I can edit the old ones to the new locations

I guess you can just move the unposted images then

can't do 10k links manually though

nah that is madness

I mean, we could remove them

let's just let people download the archive if they really want to

but I don't see a lot of benefit from it

do you have any download counters that tell how many times it was downloaded in its entirety?

The only real benefit is to conserve space

for mega or for google drive?

mega

coz I don't think that number is high enough to warrant all this effort

I don't think I can see that

I look at full images most of the time

I suspect the number of people who have downloaded the whole mega archive though is <5

30 GB is a lot to download

Personally, I don't really see any benefit to removing the already posted ones

I remember downloading it back then, and now it requires some plugins or clients

It's actually just more work to do so

ok so don't delete

let's just figure out which are unposted and copy them to the new place

Like I'm saying, it's easier to just copy all of them to the new place

I could probably whip up some regex and give you the filenames

I don't see what the benefit is of excluding the already posted ones

you would have a lot of free space to use on just one account

I don't care about free space

either way it's going to take 2 accounts

with 20gb limit you would have to make 2 accounts to fit in 30gb

pretty sure I'd need 2 accounts even if we only uploaded unposted ones

idk how hard they monitor these account limit restriction workarounds, they may or may not detect abuse

Well I have more than 2 computers

and more than 2 internet connections

and more than 2 email addresses

ok then it won't be an issue

I'd be surprised if they'd detect anything

well, they're based in russia and we'll be doing access from all over the planet

and with a single referer url

google doesn't care coz everybody's using it

if that's going to cause a problem it'd cause one with just 1 account

don't know how popular yandex is outside russia

guess we'll see

The tencent one actually has 20GB/day bandwidth cap, which is still reasonable probably

I'll try both this weekend unless someone gets one or the other working before then

The best option would be if we can get both working just so that if one goes down we can migrate to the other

I forget, is there an API for chat?

welp

i think someone mentioned there was

There's this: stackapps.com/questions/6527/chatexchange-it-is-an-api-for-chat

That might be good enough for the purpose of editing all the old messages to a new host

would take a bit of effort but not an absurd amount

it'd take a week though at 1 message per minute, and I'm not sure I'd avoid getting throttled with more than that

actually do mods get throttled? I forget

iirc someone said they do but thier upper limit is higher

well first priority is moving all the images somewhere else, we can worry about legacy images after that

i agree

we haven't drawn much attention from the SE people about our little image posting cat but it may get awkward if 10k messages get edited in a day

the other option is to make another extension which will correct the urls

or we could build it into the existing extension

I guess it would require a special cat server with broken/fixed url pairs

whether or not it's feasible depends mostly on the URL structure of whatever site we move to

is it possible to get a list of all the google drive folders where images have been uploaded?

I think it's probably not very many

Yo/

@Hakase What would be bad with SE noticing this?

idk they just might say don't do this shit anymore if it turns out editing so many messages creates some noticeable overhead for the chat servers

Legit

or maybe it won't do a thing

@LoganM I can just give you the whole list of posted/unposted and you could regex if you're that interested

fart

@Hakase it might be the case they are ok with a once-off migration of server reason.

sup hamster

@Tyhja How dare you?

doing ok

recent small eczema flare up ;-;

scratches hamham instead

~_~

feelsgreat

A friend of mine has eczema as soon as the sun hits her skin at summer

She can't go to the beach 'n stuff

Morning~

Mornin' \o/

oh .. yeah i've heard of those kinds of people

but i'd die if i had that since i live at the equator

>_>~

mornin'

oh right it's mornin time

hello again professor

@Tyhja You would die to death so hard you would be dead

@Ikaros dis b tru ;-;

unless i do not die, then i live

Mornin'

Mornin'

Mornin'

*spots stared image of Reimu* yuri! *starts searching transcript*

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@LoganM guess i'll start operation "download all the images" this weekend then

????? this doesn't look right

i was trying to find when this was posted

so @LoganM it's been a while since you were around these parts. hows that translation project going?

What's the plan, for people who weren't around during that gigantic discussion, @Hakase and @LoganM?

@JNat it was working when he posted it

I assume so

Just pointing out that it is not any more

you're right