This Is Fine - 2019-10-07

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Wipqozn

00:08

More examples of how every Canadian airline companies execs should all be in jail cbc.ca/news/business/air-canada-rule-30-fare-classes-1.5304450

Memor-X

> The airline's Rule 30 says services that are part of a fare package, like the one the Borsatos purchased, are "not guaranteed," and "no compensation will be offered for their unavailability."

ahhh, that dreaded * in the tiny ass font

though still, it's not really just airlines that do this, any business/service would do this shit, especially the compensation clause

hell, just have to look at Bethesda who rather allowing refunds for the pre-orders of their trahsbags, offered player digital currency which doesn't even buy the same bag digitally

Tim Stone

00:46

Wow, this row over a team employee tweeting critically of China's handling of Hong Kong is disgusting

Just rolling right over for them

Wipqozn

01:18

Some 55,000 education workers in Ontario will not strike Monday after successful last-minute contract talks with the provincial government, according to Education Minister Stephen Lecce. cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/…

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Nzall

04:53

No Deal Brexit Could Lead to Rise in Public Sex, Minister Warns

Memor-X

05:22

@Nzall a bit on the click bait side because it seems to be talking about "bored lorry drivers stuck in traffic jams" and it's more a symptom of the delays they're going to face due to being outside of the customs union of the EU

would be a boon to the sex workers though but correct me if i'm wrong but i think kerb crawling is still illegal so it rules that out

personally if i knew there would be delays, i would outfit my lorry with a computer (or laptop) and possibly an internet connection, not because i opposed to sex, just the idea of having people watch which isn't appealing to me

Trump told Republicans he doesn't want impeachment on his "resume"

puzzlepiece87

@Unionhawk 1312

Memor-X

not that i would not expect him to lie and say he was the most loved president in history and was kicked out by fake news and corrupt Democrats and Republicans and try and milk that for all it's worth

infact thinking of him legit leaving the white house, can former presidents milk their time in office? like i know Trump accuses Obama for doing that

puzzlepiece87

05:42

@TimStone Completely agreed.

@TimStone Thanks for these laughs.

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Ave

07:59

twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1181043719497293824

GodEmperorDune

08:15

sorry fam

Nzall

@Ave What consequences does that have for you specifically? Can Erdogan conscript you as part of his warmongering?

Ave

08:30

@Nzall He could try.

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Elva

09:36

@Memor-X isn't sex work illegal in the UK regardless?

I'd google buuuuut let's not google that at work

(though I am in a country where it's legal)

Ave

10:06

@Elva iirc it's legal

but you can't hire anyone to help with it (no bodyguards, no nothing), and your landlord can kick you out for it.

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Tim Stone

11:10

Ah I see we've screwed the Kurds again

Memor-X

11:29

@Elva i google with wikipedia in the front. ie "wikipedia prostitution in england"

Prostitution in the United Kingdom

In Great Britain (England, Wales and Scotland), prostitution itself (the exchange of sexual services for money) is legal, but a number of related activities, including soliciting in a public place, kerb crawling, owning or managing a brothel, pimping and pandering, are crimes. In Northern Ireland, which previously had similar laws, paying for sex became illegal from 1 June 2015. Laws are not always strictly enforced, and there are reports of police forces turning a blind eye to brothels. Many brothels in cities such as Manchester, London and Cardiff operate under the name "massage parlours"...

Elva

Hmmmmm

So it's essentially illegal but the sex worker themselves won't get in legal trouble (probably)

Better then the alternative?

Ave

legal trouble, no

Memor-X

@Elva yeh more or less what @Ave said. it's legal but you can't help people or what you could account to as loitering

Ave

but risk of being kicked out, not able to hire a bodyguard etc is a problem.

Elva

Yeah hence "essentially illegal"

Ave

11:32

(the person you rent from could be persecuted under that thing that also causes bodyguards to be legally problematic)

Memor-X

i suppose if you live in your own house and took out your own ad you're fine

Ave

@Memor-X Still no bodyguards.

Also possibly no cleaners, this, that.

Tim Stone

Anyway this is so bad even Lindsey Graham knew it would be bad so naturally he'll roll over now, but it's also super unfortunate we have the dumbest man as President

AFAIK literally no one wants to do this so this is all just because Trump talked to Erdogan

Memor-X

@Ave aside from keeping away the creeps, crazies or people who oppose sex workers in general, what would you need a bodyguard for?

Ave

@Memor-X "keeping away the creeps, crazies or people who oppose sex workers in general"

also people who might violate terms or consent, try to overpower or threaten the sex worker etc, but ig that goes into the creeps bin

Memor-X

11:43

@TimStone Probably in exchange for digging up dirt on ~~Clinton~~ ~~Biden~~ Warren

Tim Stone

12:21

The Kurds think we're traitors and ISIS might reemerge and they're not wrong 🤷🏼‍♂️

Memor-X

@TimStone to be honest ontop of that sudden announcement from Trump saying he was going to pull troops from, i think it was Iraq, i think some counties might even think twice of helping the US in overseas engagements and i wouldn't blame them

that's assuming Trump is still president.....of the next president is just as bad

Tim Stone

Oh wow I thought he'd just fall in line but Lindsey Graham actually is upset about this

Memor-X

@TimStone can he reverse it at this point? it sounds like the Turkish Military is already deployed

Tim Stone

Given that the troops on the ground were surprised by this presumably they haven't made preparations to leave yet, so we could just not leave

That would certainly cause Some Issues, but it's obviously better than letting the Kurds be massacred

Tim Stone

12:48

> On the day Jeffery Epstein died, Alan Dershowitz threatened to sue me. I wrote about it

Tim Stone

13:00

> Trump ordered to turn over 8 years of tax returns to the Manhattan D.A.

> The New Jersey Bar Association endorses legislation to entirely abolish felony disenfranchisement, and enable all citizens to vote including from prison

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Wipqozn

14:04

Climate change activists, drivers clash at Walterdale Bridge blockade Monday morning in Edmonton globalnews.ca/news/5999281/…

Latest update is that police are trying to negotiate bridge access.

Looks like there's less folks there then at Halifax

Some guy tried to run the barricade, my word.

BradC

@TimStone Yep, apparently nobody had been informed in advance; not even the Pentagon

Which... doesn't seem like the best way to make military strategy

Memor-X

@BradC unless you name starts with a T and ends with a P

Ronan

I hear the element of surprise gives you a tactical advantage

BradC

@Ronan lolsob

Wipqozn

Looks like the Edmonton protest is stopping

They said they were going to stay until they were arrested, but looks like that's not happening. The police diverted all the traffic, so they may have decided to stop after that.

Yuuki

14:17

> Australian Reptile Park

🤔

Ave

@BradC wow yikes

Mad Scientist

@Ronan what are the odds Erdogan knew about this before the Pentagon? Might be that only the US military is surprised by this

Ave

so it wasn't USA that betrayed the kurds, it was trump.

perfect.

@MadScientist he did.

6 hours ago, by Ave

> We have already partially broken the trap established along our border with Syria. Now, our goal is to eliminate the terrorist structures in the east of Münbiç and Euphrates, to make Syria a safe place and to ensure that asylum seekers in our country can return to their homes and to their homeland.

from erdogan's speech on march 31

Our comments on this as it happened was that he was hinting an invasion

and that's what we got today

Nzall

So let me get this straight: Erdogan negotiated with Trump that the latter unilaterally withdraws the US army from North Syria, abandoning their Kurdish allies, so that Erdogan can in turn invade Syria from Turkey so he can put all those Syrian refugees that ran to Turkey back in their home country?

Yuuki

Well, that and get rid of the Kurds.

It's been a thing that Turkey's been trying to do for a long time now.

BradC

14:24

"Trump: Executing Putin's Foreign Policy Since 2016!"

Yuuki

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oh boooooy

Honestly, I don't care about the tax returns, this is the most important part now.

Frank

@Yuuki "DOJ Memos ain't the law, just precedent. One we don't agree with."

Yuuki

For a second, I read that as "DOJ Memes".

BradC

@Frank And they're not even legal precedent (ie, a prior ruling in a court case). They're more like an expression of internal DOJ opinion-of-the-moment

@Yuuki But yeah, that's a pretty important ruling

Frank

14:39

@BradC Which was enough to stop Mueller from recommending indictment.

Yuuki

> The Court considers such popular currency for the categorical concept and its legal support as not warranted.

"Your money isn't worth the paper it's printed on."

BradC

@Frank True, but DOJ considering it binding on their own choices doesn't bind the courts

Yuuki

oh yeah, inject that into my veins

Frank

@BradC Yep. I wonder how that precedent came about?

I bet it was a different DOJ head that didn't want to indict the sitting president at the time.

Wipqozn

The Halifax protesters have been arrested

Ave

14:45

@Yuuki yyyyep

both left and right wing media are ignoring struggles of kurdish people

labor day was %50+ the kurdish party (HDP) yet media didn't show them at all, they showed tiny groups with ludicrous or light ideologies

Wipqozn

15:22

Scheer pledges to get rid of admissions fees for Canada’s national museums globalnews.ca/news/5999734/scheer-museum-fees-pledge

Also protest clarification: "Only" 15 protestors were arrested. They gave them a 10 minute warning to clear out, then slowly started to arrest those that remained. I'm not sure how many protestors elected to move.

Yuuki

@Wipqozn I mean, that's definitely good but I feel like this is 1) a step towards getting rid of museums via funding crisis and 2) really, that's what you're going to do?

Frank

The only things I've heard about the federal election amounts to, "This guy is bad. Vote for our candidate. They're better."

Which makes me want to just decline my vote for the federal election, too.

Unionhawk

@Wipqozn receiving word that they're being released without charge, but that's unconfirmed

checking in with @XRNovaScotia

Wipqozn

@Unionhawk that's what they normally do, so I'm not surprised. I heard on the radio they'd be released today. Radio had nothing on if they'd be charged though.

GnomeSlice

go.newsfusion.com/nasa-news/item/6615136

@Wipqozn cool I guess..? We have more important issues I feel

user15026

15:35

@Yuuki pretty much, this feels like a sneaky way to defund stuff

GnomeSlice

Museums in Ottawa are free on thursdays between 4-8 pm which is kinda nice

user15026

Because I don't trust the Cons to give us anything for actually free with no strings attached

BradC

15:54

Well... Turkey begins mobilizing against Syria; US begins removing forces from area

Um... WHAT Trump on Twitter:

> As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!).

I think this is supposed to somehow reassure us or something???!?

Mad Scientist

@BradC that's quite insane even for Trump standards

If I had seen that just quoted somewhere else, I'd have been pretty sure it's a parody

GodEmperorDune

so much YIKES

BradC

YIKES is right. Not to mention that Trump probably doesn't consider the obliteration of the Kurds to be "off limits", in his "great and unmatched wisdom"

Yuuki

> I've done before

wtf

@BradC To be fair, his wisdom is probably unmatched.

I can't imagine anyone who'd swipe right on that headspace.

Wipqozn

@BradC Uh, okay.

BradC

16:11

twitter.com/stevesilberman/status/1181237598091501568

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Seems like an appropriate time to revive:

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GnomeSlice

17:44

South Park censored in China after episode criticising Chinese censorship airs

Scary country

Unrelated

Tesla's Million Mile Battery

Yuuki

18:01

> How is Turkey supposed to beat the Kurds if they can’t even beat Clutch Gaming.

cc @Ave

Ave

lol

Yuuki

btw, that was a monstrous 3-0 shellacking

pretty sure it violated the geneva convention

and maybe even the sokovia accords

BradC

Giuliani's answer to impeachment inquiry: Sue Schiff

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Yuuki

@BradC Wasn't there a post here awhile back about how Congressmen are immune from prosecution when in the pursuit of their duties, including straight-up lying while on the floor?

Tim Stone

18:18

Yes, but! '“I got the highest grade in constitutional law,” said Giuliani', so, you know

BradC

@Yuuki Not sure of the link, but the concept is accurate

Its called the "speech and debate" clause

and its a protection in the constitution itself

Tim Stone

The trick is that it doesn't apply if you're doing A Treason, which is pretty much what the game is here

Even though that's dumb

BradC

Here's a lengthy document about the history and interpretation of the Speech and Debate clause (PDF)

> First and foremost, the Clause has been interpreted as providing Members of Congress (Members) with general immunity from liability for all “legislative acts” taken in the course of their official responsibilities. This “cloak of protection” shields Members from “intimidation by the executive” or a “hostile judiciary” by protecting against either the executive or judicial powers from being used to improperly influence or harass legislators through retaliatory litigation.

This sound a lot like "intimidation by (a proxy of) the executive" to me

murgatroid99

Trump also directly stated that he thought Schiff and Pelosi should be tried for treason for things they said in Congress

Tim Stone

> Sens. Murphy, Romney call on Trump administration to appear before Congress and "explain to the American people how betraying an ally and ceding influence to terrorists and adversaries is not disastrous for our national security interests."

lol

BradC

18:37

NEWSWEEK EXCLUSIVE: OFFICIAL WHO HEARD CALL SAYS TRUMP GOT 'ROLLED' BY TURKEY AND 'HAS NO SPINE'

> "President Trump was definitely out-negotiated and only endorsed the troop withdraw to make it look like we are getting something—but we are not getting something," the National Security Council source told Newsweek. "The U.S. national security has entered a state of increased danger for decades to come because the president has no spine and that's the bottom line."

Tim Stone

lol presumably this is why he wants to downsize the NSC?

Still can't believe he was going to let Flynn go kidnap Gulen in his trunk tbh

BradC

Yep. I think we now have a definitive answer to the idea that Trump's military advisers would step in if he wanted to execute a truly bone-headed military move: No, no they won't.

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Tim Stone

I mean someone might step in if he tries to nuke California because they own real estate there or something but yeah

BradC

Although I can't quite decipher what this DOD statement means:

defense.gov/Newsroom/Releases/Release/Article/1982590/…

I think its supportive of Trump's position from this morning, when he threatened Turkey via tweet??

Tim Stone

> Pat Robertson is "appalled" by Trump's decision to withdraw U.S. troops from northern Syria: "The President of the United States is in great danger of losing the mandate of Heaven if he permits this to happen."

BradC

18:45

omg "the mandate of Heaven"

f-off, Pat Robertson

Yuuki

@BradC wtf is this, pre-Boxer China?

Tim Stone

Right? lol

@BradC Yeah, it's basically "Don't you do it! Don't you start that war!"

Yuuki

Speaking as an actual Chinese person, if we were going by "mandate of Heaven" rules, I think Hurricanes Maria and Harvey would've already shown that Trump's mandate has been revoked.

just sayin'

Tim Stone

> U.S. effectively shuts down Northern Syria airspace to Turkey, according to Pentagon statement to Anadolu. Turkey has been expelled from Joint Air Operations Center, and surveillance and reconnaissance data aren’t shared with Ankara

> The Supreme Court has declined to hear Domino’s petition that ADA does not apply to its website

Lower court ruling stands that checks notes of course it does, disabled people also consume food

Unionhawk

19:06

That is interesting because generally ADA is used for physical access considerations (and is already wholly inadequate for that purpose)

Tim Stone

In this case I think they likened the website to an alternative storefront for the physical locations

Mad Scientist

19:22

It's interesting how strong the Republican reaction to Trumps Syria actions is so far. It'll almost certainly not go beyond giving some meaningless statements, as usual. But I have a tiny, tiny hope that even Republicans have a limit somewhere on what they'll tolerate from Trump, and foreign policy/national security is probably the best label under which they could turn against him

Tim Stone

19:32

It has to be frustrating that even though they agree with the bulk of it, he's doing it all so poorly

> U.S.-based foreign agent hoped to be rewarded with a job in Ukraine president Volodymyr Zelensky's admin for quietly bankrolling 6-figure Ukrainian influence & lobbying ops. New FARA disclosure reveals meetings with Sean Spicer & Trump campaign aide

Ahhh that face when you maybe did a crime but now you're dancing with the stars

Wipqozn

@TimStone Which is pretty accurate, honestly

Tim Stone

20:12

I know we've talked about the virtues of comic sans before but it's still an odd choice for responding to a congressional inquiry

Wipqozn

21:07

@TimStone Amazing

Yuuki

@TimStone Honestly, this whole administration is a work of art.

So many WTF decisions that just... fit together.

Tim Stone

Trump is now telling a Sir Story about the army being checks notes "out of ammunition"

Yuuki

So many completely inane WTF decisions that just fit together.

Like "Giuliani claims attorney-client privilege in response to congressional inquiry" is just sure fine whatever. But "Giuliani claims attorney-client privilege in response to congressional inquiry in Comic Sans" is just... it's awe-inspiring.

Frank

@Yuuki Inspiring in the way it inspires you to think, "Did...did he actually say that!?"

Yuuki

@TimStone God, I want to throw out that Simpsons bit in response to the Kurds and Turkey being "natural enemies".

GnomeSlice

21:21

Orbital teleportation achieved

This technology is so strange to me

Yuuki

@GnomeSlice Wonder how soon this is going to affect satellite-based communication.

GnomeSlice

Probably not for a few years

Yuuki

@GnomeSlice Don't think of it as true teleportation.

GnomeSlice

> “This work establishes the first ground-to-satellite up-link for faithful and ultra-long-distance quantum teleportation, an essential step toward global-scale quantum Internet,” the team said in a statement, according to MIT Technology Review.

@Yuuki I know. Still confounding

Yuuki

Also, the article uses the phrase "beamed up", which is also misleading.

GnomeSlice

21:25

Yeah I know that much at least lol

I have done reading on it before. It's just a really out-there sounding thing

Yuuki

Yeah, it definitely sounds bizarre but that's quantum physics for you.

Tim Stone

> "The U.S. has now betrayed the Kurds a minimum of eight times over the past 100 years."

Frank

Quantum physicists are the ones that are too crazy for normal physics.

GnomeSlice

21:40

This isn't "news" per se but some interesting reading on the "incels" phenomenon and domestic gender-based terrorism theverge.com/2019/10/5/20899388/…

As someone who was "involuntarily celibate" until pretty late I think the term is kind of... Stupid. But I know what they mean and it's a pretty good read

I do dislike the use of the term. I think it's kind of an unfortunate label with the connotations it has now.

> (Based on early reviews, the Joker is not an incel, just a broadly disaffected and isolated man.)

I think this is more the core of the type of person it's trying to describe

Tim Stone

22:02

> The Trump administration is pulling out of the Open Skies Treaty, which allows the United States and our allies and partners in Europe to monitor Russian military deployments. Withdrawal risks dividing the transatlantic alliance

Excuse me we're doing what now and why?

Memor-X

22:14

@BradC "that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom" man the ego reeks off twitter

this is great and unmatched wisdom that came up with the idea of nuking hurricanes

Memor-X

22:31

@TimStone ummmm....bending over the desk in Putin's office and pulling your pants down for him?

Tim Stone

22:45

…I mean I wouldn't use that phrasing, no. But presumably it is the result of something Putin said, I can't think of a compelling reason Trump would have ever cared about this unprovoked

> Yikes. PG&E said it might proactively shut off power across 30 California counties, including most of the Bay area, Weds and Thurs bc of severe weather/fire conditions. The unprecedented move is in response to last year's deadly Camp fire, which its equipment started

"Should we do maintenance on the power lines to make sure they don't burn the state down?"
"Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah"

Tim Stone

23:30

@TimStone Twitter has suggested this could also be the agenda of some particular person who thinks this only gives others insight into what the US is doing and that we get no benefit from it

Given the satellite imagery (?) the President tweeted out (lol remember that? that was barely a month ago) I guess maybe that could be true

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