this is weird but has a certain logic to it

> In New York courts, a group called the Nonhuman Rights Project has for several years sought writs of habeas corpus for captive chimpanzees, arguing that they are “legal persons” — a term that can apply to corporations and ships — and have a right to freedom.

surely animals are more humanlike than corporations and ships

@GodEmperorDune ummm... how?

> Their argument goes like this: While some state cruelty laws were written to protect animal owners or public morals, Oregon’s anti-cruelty law makes plain it is intended to protect animals, which it calls “sentient beings.” What’s more, state courts have ruled that animals can be considered individual victims. And because victims have the right to sue their abusers, the lawsuit says, Justice should be able to sue his former owner.

> “This whole idea of somebody who has been injured by the acts of another and not being able to speak for themselves in court, so having an adult human do it for them, this is not new,” Hanneken said. “Children are allowed to bring lawsuits, because we recognize that children have interests that laws protect.”

@GodEmperorDune lol a significant departure for the "we can repossess your dog" take

@GodEmperorDune oh. Still, it would be interesting to see a horse trying to explain how it was abused....

But the whole situation sounds kinda silly.

@TheMattbat999 oh it definitely is

@GodEmperorDune because, well animals really aren't as intelegent as us, and surely the horse would even know what is going on.

"AR-15s are lightweight, rapid-fire rifles"

amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/08/14/us/north-dakota-ar15-schools-trnd/…

Source.

Um... they are the opposite really. Heavy, clunky, and semi-auto.

the fbi guy has raised $350k on major healthcare payor GoFundMe

lol god damnit

Honestly I'm not sure that I don't buy it because this explanation is, in fact, sufficiently stupid enough to be true

But also whynotboth.gif

I do need to keep the how much of their fundraising is medical vs 1) gofundme total and 2) countrywide total though

That's probably an absolutely horrifying number

but I don't have it on hand

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Cancel this show, this is garbage now

> now

Look I just wanted them to get into a fist-fight okay

Just offer a hundred thousand dollars to charity if they do and when they don't ask them why they hate children

He's even going to endorse Kobach, this is just lame

Well, sorry Kansas gl

@TimStone you can have a house but still be poor tho

@TimStone tbh they probably didn't have the money to recount it given how much their economy was rekt

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lol Al Gore was like "Hmm Trump hasn't messed up the environment that badly compared to the norm" the other day

@GodEmperorDune I mean you can but also everything else about that story lol

I didn't even watch it and just imagining that makes my head hurt

@TimStone oh yeah, wow

@TimStone u wot m8

@TimStone I was going to ask if this meant that Giuliani was obligated to report Trump's crimes, and then I remember that he's been surprisingly good at incriminating Trump on live TV

Gotta cover all the bases

dane cook still creepy af

she's for $15 minimum wage and universal healthcare

so yay

also iron stache is in the lead but its not called yet

there is also some twitter drama with amy siskind, but i don't think that meets the newsworthiness challenge for this room

Ahhh that classic defamation where you actually just did the thing

@TimStone bruh get in the seaaaaaaaaaaaaa

lol his defense is basically "Why did you ask those other women about different bad things I've done, that has nothing to do with what I did in this similar instance!"

iron stache won the primary

hopefully he wins the general too

lmao the teen got like 8% of the primary vote

@TimStone vermont is a helluva drug

This is all true but the real story is how the second place candidate missed out on the win by one letter

@TimStone cops, man

Good news out of defcon

lol Katrina Pierson admitted to being under NDA so they were like "So you wouldn't be able to tell us any of the things you're denying even if they did happen?"

@TimStone can they even deny it either?

the thought in my mind was that the guy stand behind the hippo and give it one big full arm swing slap

lmfao O'Keefe out here complaining Omarosa is releasing selectively edited material. Nothing matters

hooray, i can say i am part of the 10% who can say that i'm ain't a racist

this is coming off what happened earlier today where one of our MP's used 'final solution' and praised the White Australia Policy in speech about banning Muslims

Man, the world is falling apart

@TimStone HUE

@Memor-X uhhhhh wat

@Memor-X what about white muslims tho

TOES IN THE WATER @JACK

@GodEmperorDune i get the feeling there's racial prejudice behind it....which generally has enough holes in it to look like swiss cheese

@SaintWacko sometimes i wonder if the world's been fucked for ages and we only are just noticing it now thanks to the greater connectivity of the internet

fuckin yikes to @OurRevolution

@TimStone Actually now she has dropped out

yeah she made local news because the university in question was Miami of Ohio

not to be confused with Miami of Miami

WH right now: "I'm sorry what?"

my headcanon is Food Not Bombs or someone like that stole it

to which I say godspeed headcanon comrades

@TimStone damn that’s a LOT of ramen

Right? lol

@TimStone pfft, Canada already did a better version of this

aka Maple Syru

@Unionhawk oh no, what did they do?

Owning the libs by getting trampled

@GodEmperorDune well ellison's primary was yesterday,

yeah

Oh nooooooo

guys,

@Unionhawk personal update: lsakfhsalkehflkjsahflkjdsahflkjsahflkjdsahfs

looool SEC has reportedly now sent subpoenas to Tesla

@TimStone dammit

@TimStone And they've lawyered up which shows they think this might actually be real

if elon actually gets arrested for posting it will be the single funniest thing to happen this year

It's going to come out in a deposition on the record that he was tweeting on acid at the time of his posts that caused this inquiry

“Your honor, you are a pedophile”

I love (hate) that we've immediately moved onto the "Hmm but what if we all could say the n-word?" take

@Staravia 🤔

@TimStone wat

Gosh darn it

WHY AM I IN THIS ROOM AT ALL

lol

→ 3 messages moved to The Bridge

@GodEmperorDune racism won't be solved until society is at this point

is essentially the take

The caucasity

@TimStone Honestly stuff like this is what makes me understand why @Unionhawk has such a strong disdain for the police

@GodEmperorDune Imagine you were a Breitbart person and went to the gym owned by a hypothetical-quote "terrific black guy" and heard a rap song and went "HMM WELL IF I'M HEARING THIS AT THE GYM, it's time for a national conversation about the use of this word!"

@Wipqozn I'm mostly trying to consider what the actual scale of four tons of shredding is right now

like what

@TimStone or if you got your marching orders that you had to figure out a way to dampen the fallout for tapes of the president dropping n bombs

@GodEmperorDune My signature is constantly different

TBH his base is just gonna love it if the tapes come out

Especially if you were to look at a document signed before I started working in the receiving dock for a summer where I was signing stuff constantly

@Unionhawk Paper isn't light and large orgs like the LAPD usually have contracts with secure disposal companies to take care of their documents for them.

A few truckloads maybe?

Right, but like, how many complaints does four tons translate to

The LAPD is massive.

over how many years

Oh oh, surely so so many

I GUESS WE'LL NEVER KNOW NOW

Allllll of the complaints

@GodEmperorDune Thank goodness, that's dumb as hell

@Wipqozn But @Wipqozn, '“We’re kind of at the table trying to work with them, not because of the validity of their arguments but because we’re watching this movement create some hostility in our communities,” Harris said. “The profession of law enforcement is under siege.”'

He's literally responding to video of police using excessive force

"IT'S NOT VALID THAT THAT STUFF ON VIDEO WHICH ACTUALLY HAPPENED REFLECTS POORLY ON US"

@TimStone This is pretty much the core of the problem with the American police force

accountability is a direct attack on the profession of law enforcement

yep

Like not to be all 'hey guys look at Canada!' but when incidents happen with police the RCMP / local police actually try to address the core issues or discipline officers instead of doing nothing

This feels like a fairly common tactic, the police union doesn't get exactly everything they want including like, permission to do broken windows or edit body cam footage or whatever, and then they whine about it publicly for cheap play on fox

One officer has even being convicted of murder before since it was determined he used deadly force when it wasn't warranted, against a man yielding a knife

Christ American police shoot someone literally laying on the ground and nothing happens

I'm sure Canadian police sweep stuff under the rug too, but in America it seems to be all that happens

I forget the exact numbers but since like 2005 there have been somewhere on the order of a hundred officers charged in deadly force cases, and around 30 of those 100 convicted

It's compl insane. It's the kind of behaviour you'd expect to hear in soviet Russia with the KGB

well you see, if we made it so the standard for acceptable use of lethal force was "necessary" rather than "reasonable", then they might actually have to practice deescalation, and, be trained in handling people having mental health crises

and that's a lot of work

@Unionhawk that is an accurate statement

(that one isn't a hypothetical, it's currently being talked about in CA assembly)

(and it would be a good change! and it would put the actual standard in line with what I think a lot of people just assume it already is)

@Unionhawk its what I assumed it already was

Police should never escalate a situation

🤔

But global warming isn't real guys

Now let's all put our heads back in the ground, while putting our knees on these oh so comfy pillows provided by Big Oil

@TimStone Only Trump should be allowed to come in and steal the wealth of our great USA, right?!

@TimStone Meanwhile the American company Apple is the richest company in the world

@TimStone we haven't done any trade deals tho

@Wipqozn If only they could afford pricier headquarters...

@Wipqozn It's just regular professional liability type standards ("a reasonable person of that profession thinks the defendant acted reasonably in that scenario")

Which is pretty fine for negative liability (dive instructor acted within PADI standards and did everything they were trained to do but still experienced a casualty on their watch), but I don't personally think that translates as well to policing

fuck yeah

(also yes I know a lot about pro liability stuff because we had an entire day on it as part of divemaster stuff)

@Unionhawk I think it would if the police were better trained and could actually provide a proper judgement as to what's 'reasonable'

@GodEmperorDune I'm still trying to parse the part about the US being built on tariffs like it's a useful point to make in this context

@TimStone i mean it funded the govt before taxes but the us was literally built more by slaves than tarriffs

and i hope no one is suggesting we go back to that

@GodEmperorDune Doesn't matter because MAGA

Like we used tariffs on account of being broke af and have moved away from them for the last century because it's dumb

@Wipqozn It's also a slightly weird comparison because "intentionally cause the injury of a dive student" isn't anywhere near within-standards for a dive instructor, but it's sometimes a fact of what has to be done for police

@GodEmperorDune Hahahaha

Oh, you know someone is

@SaintWacko sadly, yeah :/

Theft, that is. Because AT&T let someone hijack his number

As much as lol Bitcoin the telecoms have to stop this shit

yeah number spoofing is a thing which is why it is shitty 2FA

"No Union For Fascists": Why Sioix Falls AFL-CIO Banned White Supremacists

@Ash but muh profitsssssssssssssssssss

@Unionhawk hell yeah

@TimStone Not to defend the phone companies, but if you handle millions of dollars there should be a much stronger 2FA solution in place than SMS

qanon is on pinterest now

@GodEmperorDune it's a really good article on why white supremacy works in favor of the boss class

as an additional verse of solidarity forever puts it, "they divide us by our color; they divide us by our tongue / they divide us men and women; they divide us old and young / but they'll tremble at our voices, when they hear these verses sung / for the union makes us strong!"

dammit ben carson

he's a 70 year old racist man from new york let's honestly just move on because the answer is definitely yes

oh shit i didn't read that whole tweet

@MadScientist Agree on that front too

lol rekt

I'm still waiting on U2F support for anything other than Google and Github

Ben Carson’s @HUDgov just eliminated the strongest effort in decades to crack down on segregation and discriminatory practices in and by American cities and suburbs. But, yes, let’s worry primarily about whether the president said the n word

@MadScientist Yeaaaah, sigh. It'd be nice if iOS NFC supported it too, to encourage adoption :|

@TimStone I don't have an NFC version yet, I'm waiting for a FIDO2 token with NFC. And I'm still looking for a password manager that can be configured to only work with U2F NFC on an Android phone, as I don't really trust my phone enough to put the password manager on there without something like this

how is U2F better than something like google authenticator app on the phone?

@GodEmperorDune It's immune to fishing, and much faster than opening an app and typing the numbers

@MadScientist mm yeah, not sure when those will be rolling out

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@TimStone wut

Yeah, they're just rambling about more job stuff, but uhhh. For some reason Ivanka pointed out that Mexico invests more in both private and public sector employees, which lol

@GodEmperorDune Also, "Giuliani threatens to "unload" on Mueller if he doesn't finish up the Russian investigation soon"

@TimStone uhhhhhhhhh rudy i don't think that means what you think it means

"if you don't list all the crimes, then i will"

@TimStone aka: Stop gathering evidence and end the investigation before midterms

@GodEmperorDune This administration is really good at drumming up unimportant controversy to distract from the real issues

@SaintWacko its a shotgun of bullshit

scratch that, a minigun

the dick soap crisis of 2018

cops, man

this fucking baker

No way, lol

Revenge Porn Dude Craig Brittain Files Hilariously Bad Lawsuit Against Twitter

this guy is also a piece of work

> Brittain's lawsuit, of course, cites the Packingham decision that a bunch of people have been misrepresenting to claim that it says social media can be considered a public forum. Brittain combines his misrepresentation of that opinion with a misrepresentation of the recent decision that President Trump cannot block followers, in order to claim that Twitter can't kick off any political candidate.

@GodEmperorDune This is just a masterclass in being the biggest asshole alive, my word

@TimStone p much

@Ash different colored inside and outside cake is actually a great idea for a trans theme and imma steal it if i need to order such a cake

well there is good surprise and bad surprise and this falls into good surprise i think

bad surprise is like frosting on a melon as a "fake cake" which is a waste of good melon

I like that based purely on a narrow ruling this dude thinks he can go challenge the entirety of the anti-discrimination law

@Ash yep that seems to be the gist of it

@TimStone so did the DOJ

@TimStone i mean it's more of a "christian groups got a win on an LGBT discrimination thing so they are trying for more"

@GodEmperorDune Wait he's actually just in "read-only" mode, the dumbest possible thing here that I didn't even know Twitter had?

@TimStone lololol

is that like a step prior to lock what

the real shadow ban

@GodEmperorDune He didn't even get the win on that though, he got the win on someone in the commission running their mouth, it's just insane

there's a "only visible to followers" type level

does anyone want to place bets on if twitter coded this up just for jones

@Unionhawk He can't do anything, but he can browse and look at his menchies

@TimStone not according to fox news hype tho

@GodEmperorDune Oh they 100% did, that was my first thought

With Jack going "HMMMM BUT CAN WE USE TECHNOLOGY TO FIX THIS?"

no

You say no now but you'll be wishing you had said yes later when there's no algorithm to blame like the outcome was inevitable and not a function of the hastily slapped together requirements

How a German TV station handled interviewing a far-right party leader that has 92 seats

@puzzlepiece87 That's excellent. I wish American news corporations could figure this out

@SaintWacko To be honest, though I love the approach and results, it couldn't happen here.

@puzzlepiece87 Oh?

@puzzlepiece87 it's a pretty good idea, but certainly not the typical approach

@SaintWacko Party leaders and members largely stick to stations that are known to be friendly to them, and constituents really believe the whole biased media thing.

@puzzlepiece87 Oh. Yeah, those cause issues

@MadScientist , you're in Germany, right? Would you say Germans generally trust the media as an institution and that ZFD is regarded as fairly neutral?

@SaintWacko , waiting for more local input, but American trust in the media as an institution is notably low and the most watched TV news shows are regarded as partisan.

@puzzlepiece87 Mostly yes. ZDF is one of the two big public broadcasters like BBC in the UK

@MadScientist Thanks for this input!

the AfD people wouldn't consider them trustworthy though ;-)

Hahahaha, clearly not :D

@puzzlepiece87 That's a really good point. The only station that right wingers watch is incredibly biased, and the right wing viewpoint is so skewed that they see any balanced station as far left

Yeah, so it would be challenging to do the same thing in the US, though I do wish that the New York Times, for example, would do this more. Since they insist on portraying both sides, it would be nice to show either party's weaknesses on substance on topics away from their wheelhouse.

the AfD revived the "Lügenpresse" term, which is essentially "fake news" in German

ICE Entrapping Married Undocumented Immigrants Seeking Green Cards with the cooperation of USCIS - these immigrants are permitted to be in the US while waiting for the cards, but are being deported anyway

> This is some seriously evil shit.

@puzzlepiece87 i hate to well actually you (and hitler did copy a lot of american stuff like eugenics for the worst parts of nazism) but pretty sure lugenpresse came out of germany first in the 1930s

@puzzlepiece87 abolish ice and prosecute everyone involved

@GodEmperorDune Haha, please do, it was a lame joke and you added to it with #WellActually :)

> President Trump said in a signing statement that he reserves the right to ignore a recently signed defense authorization law’s ban on recognizing Russian sovereignty of Crimea

🤔

Okay but also it's a law, which you just willingly signed

@TimStone that's one thing I don't think he'll actually act on. Otherwise he would have done that long ago.

@TimStone uhhhhhh dafuq

@TimStone ChEcKs AnD bAlAnCeS

@Wipqozn its good to see them owning up to it

i'm sure doug ford will try to ruin it somehow anyway

So they did that, apparently?

i would love to see a similar thing in the future as the US govt owns up to fucking up all the kids at the border but i am deeply skeptical as we still have people denying that slavery was bad or that the civil war was about slavery

@TimStone yep, and forgot to fix the date on the press release (it said july 26th or somesuch)

lol

truly the best people

A one-off joke I saw earlier today: "It's kinda funny how of all the people that have been secretly recording Trump, the one person who didn't was Obama."

@GodEmperorDune Hmm... I should probably go read the full article because it feels like declaring a federal holiday sends a weird message.

@Yuuki yeah the article is actually good and informative. must be a canadian thing

I'd say the biggest good thing about this is that the government appears to be seriously listening to the First Nations community regarding the timing/schedule of the federal holiday.

So I hope that means it's not just a PR stunt.

that they are moving forward with it at all is also a good thing

@GodEmperorDune Canadian government has been taking lots of steps in recent years to try and make up for the terrible shit the country has done to Indigenous peoples

It really ramped up near the end of Harpers reign I think, but I could be wrong

One thing Canada has been good for in the past ~20 years I'd say is owning up to it's shit past. I definitely remember in school that Canada's history isn't all sunshine and rainbows.

tbh i never knew @jack had such a punchable face

anway this is good in theory, but it also depends what "alternative viewpoints" means, i really don't want to see some climate denialist nonsense around climate change scientist tweets, for example

I think the problem is that the way to prevent echo chambers is curation. People naturally gravitate towards like-minded individuals, it's basically the entire history of humankind. And the issue with curation is two-fold. One, it takes a lot of work to minimize bias on the part of the curators. Two, curation means entities like Facebook or Twitter are more akin to content production rather than a platform, something they've been strenuously pursuing to avoid various litigation and obligations.

Facebook really wants to convince you that it's a medium and not a producer.

I think that the only real way to prevent echo chambers is to not allow people to choose who they interact with.

Curation might restrict which echo chambers form within a platform, but they won't eliminate them

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He really should have just gotten in the sea

@TimStone yep, and take keith ellison too

What do you guys think? Would this be a good step in dealing with wealth inequality?

Ah, it seems they did not make him read-only on Periscope

@murgatroid99 its a long read, but checking it out

@TimStone this is what got him readonly on twitter

unless he did it again

@murgatroid99 so if you make too much money you are forced to be a B corp? is that the gist of it?

> More concretely, United States Corporations would be required to allow their workers to elect 40 percent of the membership of their board of directors.

this i like

@GodEmperorDune ahh, okay, I didn't follow closely enough

@GodEmperorDune Also, a bit further down: "The other proposal is to require corporate political activity to be authorized specifically by both 75 percent of shareholders and 75 percent of board members"

iirc some european companies have this requirement on all companies, that X% on the board must be labor reps

@murgatroid99 this i am more squishy on as far as it incentivizes status quo

@murgatroid99 Hm, possibly. It seems like just closing tax loopholes and requiring political donation transparency and/or disallowing corporate donations would be easier than some new thing, but maybe not

maybe the full text of the bill has a better definition of what is "corporate political activity"

is that lobbying? donating to super PACs? putting out ads that say "BP is environmentally conscious for cleaning up the mess we made in the gulf of mexico"?

It seems like requiring a large number of votes, including some amount of support from worker representatives, incentivizes not doing it at all, rather than the status quo of large amounts of lobbying and donations

is doing things like trying to improve internal diversity and inclusion things political? because it's started to become partisan

@murgatroid99 ah i meant status quo of society at large but this is a good point as well

We could also just bulldoze Wall Street 🤔

I'm not opposed to increases in workplace democracy, but this is also a half measure in my view

@GodEmperorDune A significant amount of the article is about companies lobbying to make changes that hurt society as a whole and benefit their own bottom line, so I assume that's the target there

Without true organization of the the 40% voting block, that 75% threshold is met by a little over a third of workers voting with the majority assuming non-worker shareholders are all on board

I think it could be a step

@murgatroid99 but iirc, most of that is not companies directly sending their money/lobbyists to washington, it's industry groups funded by the corporations pushing for those things

@Unionhawk Depends on who can vote for the shareholders, if you have to get votes from the actual holders nothing will ever get approved, lol

@TimStone right it does depend on what is quorum too, this is true

People with IRAs and the like getting random shit in the mail they just trash

nobody fuckin votes their proxy

@TimStone That's great he believes him, but did he not believe him before?

@TimStone lol i get those proxy snailmails all the damn time

The recent controversy with the Catholic church is indeed terrible, but I feel like I've known this has been going on since High school.

It's been well known and accepted the church had a huge problem with priests molesting children

@Wipqozn i think it's a matter of "having the receipts" as the kids say these days

@Wipqozn Yeah that was kind of an odd aside but

yeah we knew it was a problem but proof was being suppressed and nothing was being investigated

Oh I realised who the tweeter was, lol

@GodEmperorDune I'm literally referring just to the fact this tweeter didn't seem to believe this man before this incident

I had to go back and check out how he got in my TL shakes fist at Jake Tapper, 0 for like 10 lately buddy

thoughts and prayers to the fallen camera

@Wipqozn oh i didn't realize about that

@GodEmperorDune Yeah his wording makes it sound like he didn't believe him before and just though the was lying

"a new found admiration" makes it sound like before he thought the guy was making it all up

well in any case, #believevictims

Ultimately though I turn to the first paragraph of Rosa's Reform or Revolution for the said way better than I ever could version of my take on attempts to shore up the contradictions of capitalism

rome wasn't burned down in a day

@Wipqozn tbh having realised who this is that's probably the case

I wanted to not care about this but it's just so off the rails

lmao

Also Rosa is really good and she just roasts dudes constantly

Like maybe just double-check you're paying the right wages then idk

"this one dude said that the goal doesn't matter only the movement, here's why that's bullshit and he's stupid"

(with the benefit of hindsight his takes like "we haven't had a crisis in a while it seems fixed" sure did pan out lol)

lmao y'all putting beans on that potato get out of here

@TimStone not enough Millennials are watching Attack on Titan

I mean I got sold a 20 piece nuggets instead of a 10 the other day because it was only $.70 more so ten pounds of potatoes is way better

Also potatoes rule

Wyd adults under 40

(possibly buying less groceries overall)

lol I didn't see "Also, potatoes typically take longer to prepare, which is inconvenient for millennials, who are obviously impatient by nature" and had to make sure it wasn't satire