This Is Fine

Wipqozn

12:02 AM

@TimStone That horribly sexist and racist cartoon further down is the worst

quartata

@Wipqozn I see at least two, you're going to have to be more specific

this is twitter

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone wow

Wipqozn

@quartata The one comparing first ladies

quartata

I don't even see that one

GodEmperorDune

if only someone had invented some sort of process to investigate people before nominating them to cabinet positions

quartata

12:04 AM

I do however, see a PSBattle:

@steveholland1

Tweeted by rasmusbertelsen on April 23, 2018 at 11:40 PM in reply to steveholland1

(from reddit.com/r/photoshopbattles/comments/8efa4f/…)

GodEmperorDune

@Wipqozn i don't see why they don't shovel dirt too

surely this white house can afford more shovels

Wipqozn

@quartata it's a few posts down, comparing michelle vs melania (whose name I butchered)

IO just don't want to repost it because it's just completely gross. Also NSFW.

Tim Stone

@Wipqozn I never look at the replies ._.;

Wipqozn

@TimStone yeah but I hate myself

GodEmperorDune

@Wipqozn wow, racist too, i thought it would just be sexist

Wipqozn

12:09 AM

@GodEmperorDune Too many cooks in the kitchen I'd say

they'd all start tripping over each other!

and then you'd fall in the dirt, and that would suck

GodEmperorDune

@Wipqozn you haven't seen those "ground breaking" photo ops where the plot of dirt is like 12 feet long and pretty much everyone gets a shovel all at once?

@TimStone i mean the "live to 200" comments were bizarre and made me question what kind of doctor would spout such weird things

Wipqozn

@GodEmperorDune yeah but then they'd need 12 shovels

GodEmperorDune

i'm not gonna get into whether trump is healthy or not, the WH doctor should be competent enough for that, but the press release was just so weird

and the "it's not his real BMI" people can go in the sea

Tim Stone

@GodEmperorDune Yeah but for this to possibly actually derail his nomination in light of gestures towards everything it has to be on the more egregious side

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone yeah i mean pompeo is sailing through

Tim Stone

12:23 AM

Someday there's going to be a reflection interview and they're going to play back footage from when all these people said that they were relying on some assurance Trump had given them and the interviewer will be like "So, why did you do it?" "Cocaine is a hell of a drug"

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone "white nationalism is a hell of a drug"

Tim Stone

It's just incredible they're willing to debase themselves like this

Going along with Trump is already crazy enough, but pretending to put up a fight and then saying he somehow convinced you with promises? lol

TO WHAT END IS THAT MADNESS?

Tim Stone

12:45 AM

Flynn Jr. tweets about his father’s case

Tweeted by jaketapper on April 24, 2018 at 12:45 AM

Brilliant

I'm sure Flynn Jr. becoming an outspoken critic of coerced testimony for people with significantly less power than someone associated with the President will be forthcoming

Memor-X

12:58 AM

@TimStone just double checking, when you lie under oath you commit perjury, that's a crime isn't it?

Tim Stone

I'm not positive on the details but it certainly wouldn't be good, no

quartata

1:10 AM

@Memor-X yes, although normally I'd imagine they'd be unlikely to prosecute for a false confession

in this situation they probably would though

Unionhawk

2:06 AM

lol the Milo Snuffaluffagus / Chadwick / DSA story made Tucker Carlson, we’re all going to get shot

Tweeted by IlluminatiDSA on April 24, 2018 at 12:56 AM

Hooray!

user15026

3:24 AM

Update on the Toronto stuff, guy seems to have ties to the toxic incel shit on reddit etc: cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/…

quartata

not big soup rice

GodEmperorDune

@Ash when they said he was into the isla vista shooting i figured this would be the case

Memor-X

@Ash if it's true, i have no sympathy for the prick

GodEmperorDune

@Memor-X so intentionally running a car into pedestrians is ok but being into /r/incel is not?

(both of these things are bad imo)

Memor-X

"oh boo whooo i can't find a girl to be with and i keep getting rejected so i'm going to blame everyone else and kill a bunch of innocent people and ruin their happy lives", yeh, the fact you come to that conclusion might be the reason why

@GodEmperorDune the first one is bad already but it's even worse because the reason of it was because of the second one

GodEmperorDune

3:35 AM

@Memor-X ah, i gotcha now

GodEmperorDune

4:16 AM

After its creator was charged with possessing child pornography, Rurouni Kenshin will return to publication this June: http://bit.ly/2qRnquY

Tweeted by Kotaku on April 23, 2018 at 7:36 AM

dafuq

Memor-X

@GodEmperorDune *steals for Maid Cafe*

@GodEmperorDune not really surprising considering

> According to the Yomiuri Shimbun, investigators discovered several DVDs that showed nude under-15-year-old girls at Watsuki's Tokyo office. Similar DVDs were also reportedly found at his house.

Yomiuri Shimbun adds that during another child pornography case, suspicions that Watsuki had purchased illicit DVDs featuring underage girls surfaced.

GodEmperorDune

@Memor-X why did he keep it at work... wat

Memor-X

@GodEmperorDune yeh having at work is weird but then again age of consent in japan isn't actually clear cut. like assuming child pornography is anything with a minor who can not consent, age of consent starts at 13 but prefectures can enact local laws "which raise the de-facto age of consent to 16-18, unless they are in a "sincere romantic relationship", usually determined by parental consent."

like since the mangaka has been fined it seems it was legit child porn for that prefecture

GodEmperorDune

5:54 AM

Just In: 2 sources confirm to @nancycordes and @edokeefe Sen Vet Affairs Comm is reviewing allegations against Ronny Jackson which include a hostile work environment, excessive drinking on the job and improperly dispensing meds.

Tweeted by steve_dorsey on April 24, 2018 at 1:21 AM

not sure why the doctor for the president of the US should be drinking on the job at all

Mad Scientist

@GodEmperorDune if the drinking started on November 8, 2016, I wouldn't hold it against him

GodEmperorDune

6:10 AM

@MadScientist fair point, everyone has to cope somehow

Tim Stone

9:47 AM

The French Presidency has this in its readout of the Trump - Macron dinner at Mount Vernon: "they spoke about the US economy, President Trump's polls and preparations for the US midterm elections." Yes, his polls.

Tweeted by PhilipinDC on April 24, 2018 at 3:20 AM

lol

Tim Stone

10:29 AM

Maine governor defies ballot initiative expanding Medicaid https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/23/maine-governor-defies-medicaid-ballot-initiative-547474

Tweeted by deray on April 24, 2018 at 10:27 AM

Paul LePage can't get in the sea fast enough

Tim Stone

11:30 AM

The statement was “Go fuck yourself”

Tweeted by _grendan on April 24, 2018 at 12:57 AM

Unionhawk

@TimStone more of a request really

Or a recommendation

Tim Stone

Oh my god

Unlocking delivery possibilities: With Amazon Key, millions of Prime members can now have packages delivered inside their cars at no extra cost. http://www.amazon.com/keyincar https://t.co/Sxg4Fdcf6F

Tweeted by amazonnews on April 24, 2018 at 11:13 AM

This is some sort of fresh hell

Tim Stone

12:01 PM

Look, sometimes you just talk to your casual acquaintance for legal advice about your property investing because you bought a bunch of stuff from a criminal dealer convicted of fraud

Memor-X

12:29 PM

@TimStone so more or less "lets talk about me because i'm so great" kind of thing

Tim Stone

I'm not sure he knows how to have any other kind of conversation, tbh

Memor-X

@TimStone oh sure he does but i don't think racism goes well with other diplomats

@TimStone no it's the same hell that sold people keypads to allow postal officers to enter people's homes to deliver goods

Tim Stone

Yeah, in that case though you had to actually install the equipment, here the arbitrary locating and unlocking of your car is built-in

Unionhawk

12:46 PM

@TimStone recode.net/2018/4/22/17261132/…

Tim Stone

12:59 PM

tbf this isn't really Amazon's doing in this case, the technology existed with or without this service, which is more of the problem

Memor-X

> Note that in another survey conducted by former Facebook pollster Tavis McGinn, we learned that 32 percent of Americans believe Facebook is having a negative impact on society.

Mad Scientist

@TimStone sooner or later there will be a security issue that will allow remote unlocking of all those cars, the car industry isn't exactly known for good software

Tim Stone

Yeah, I suspect it even already exists given the timeframes stated on the FAQ (2015+ vehicles from certain manufacturers)

Memor-X

@MadScientist *remembers when people were hacking "smart" cars*

Unionhawk

So, in light of the TA strike tomorrow at Columbia (and my policy to not cross picket lines) I’ve asked the (very kind and understanding) organizers to cancel the event. https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/988609908940660736

Tweeted by chrislhayes on April 24, 2018 at 4:31 AM

flip the Chris Hayes meter back to "good"

to be fair the meter only goes as low as "best of the primetime MSNBC hosts" which is indeed a low bar but still

Memor-X

1:18 PM

Free Speech Under Fire In Controversial "Nazi Pug" Sentencing, CNN Goes After Youtube, and More...

►

^ timed to that Nazi Pug thing. to summarize, the guy got sentenced but he ain't going to jail, rather paying an 800 pound fine

Kevin van der Velden

Didn't that take place in the UK? "Free speech under fire" in a country that doesn't have free speech?

Memor-X

@KevinvanderVelden what do you mean that they don't?

Ronan

Speech isn't protected here

Tim Stone

> New ad accuses Paul of siding with terrorists

Because of his current lack of support for Gina Haspel which he will inevitably flip on regardless

This seems healthy and normal and necessary

Memor-X

@Ronan well it's not protected but it's not like they don't have it. like maybe i'm misreading it but it looks like here that all the things you're not allowed to do are also the things in the don't be a dick head list

Tim Stone

1:34 PM

Yes, this is the most logical take

Memor-X

like don't say stuff that incites racial or religious hatred or incite terrorism, kinda basic for anyone decent

Ronan

@Memor-X So it's under common law, which means it is decided on a case by case basis

Memor-X

@TimStone this is going to get me flagged by Interpol but How to Build a Nuclear Bomb: And Other Weapons of Mass Destruction on Amazon

Tim Stone

With an analogue clock timer, if you want the ticking

Memor-X

@Ronan more or less, but what this guy got into trouble for was posting a video or making his girlfriends cute pug into something that isn't cute, a nazi

Ronan

1:40 PM

@Memor-X Yup, and now that's in common law, that's all common law is

Ronan

1:50 PM

We have a set of things that are and are not acceptable, but they're just based on previous rulings

SaintWacko

2:20 PM

@TimStone Next update you won't even have to stop to get your delivery! An amazon delivery driver will chase you down while you're on the road and throw the package into your car!

Tim Stone

The drone in your rearview mirror: Now delivering your replacement charging cable instead of death!

puzzlepiece87

@TimStone That would just be a self-serving lie. Truth: "I shamelessly seek power and money."

@TimStone love too incredible integrity

Tim Stone

2:39 PM

Police, who essentially are dressed and armed exactly like soldiers in a war zone, are pointing loaded weapons at unarmed citizens protesting against Nazis. This is Trump's America. This is not normal. https://t.co/WcbEuer0n0

Tweeted by TopRopeTravis on April 22, 2018 at 5:13 PM

Did we post this yet? Because that's insane

Unionhawk

yes

they fuckin marched out in formation too

honestly poor weapons discipline is par for the course for all departments

Tim Stone

WOW. From the print pool: "When Jon Karl asked POTUS if he would consider a pardon for Michael Cohen, the president glared at Karl and snapped, "Stupid question."

Tweeted by kaitlancollins on April 24, 2018 at 2:40 PM

Unionhawk

it's something we see over and over again

rule 1: don't point a gun at anyone you don't intend to shoot

Tim Stone

@Unionhawk Oh, for sure. But the swarming the dude just because he had a mask on is some pathetic scaredy cat shit

Unionhawk

if you're going to militarize the police give them the same training then

but also don't militarize the police and in fact demilitarize them

that's noncontroversial right?

I can say that without a 45 minute discussion?

@TimStone I'm also not familiar with Georgia's mask laws

I'm only familiar with VA (it's not legal to mask up at all) and OH (it is illegal to commit a crime while wearing a disguise)

Tim Stone

2:44 PM

If they have a mask on they might be able to seal your soul and then your face becomes their face

Trump, fixing Macron's collar line: "We have to make him perfect. He is perfect"

Tweeted by akarl_smith on April 24, 2018 at 2:39 PM

To be clear this isn't a joke or anything it actually just happened

Unionhawk

@TimStone there was also a whole thing where the Nazis identified one of the journalists, asked the police to have him removed, and then they did

it was a really cool day overall

and I'm mad that East Bay bullshit is overshadowing the good and brave work that was done that day

I think that was the same day that the NYC comrades heckled Milo out of the bar

maybe

Tim Stone

Trump on Macron: “We have a very special relationship, in fact I’ll get that little piece of dandruff off…we have to make him perfect, he is perfect.” http://abcn.ws/2HpWmKa https://t.co/vzV2Dech86

Tweeted by DanLinden on April 24, 2018 at 2:48 PM

GodEmperorDune

3:00 PM

@TimStone the negging, i can't even

GnomeSlice

3:21 PM

@TimStone this doesn't really seem like news

Wipqozn

I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it:

Toronto van attack: How is the suspect not dead? - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43876772

> Video from the scene shows suspect Alek Minassian pointing an object at the officer and shouting: "Kill me!"

> The officer tells the man to "get down" and when the suspect says he has a gun, the officer repeats: "I don't care. Get down."

> "Research has shown that Canadian police are reluctant users of deadly force," says Rick Parent, a criminologist at Simon Fraser University in Canada's British Columbia.

> He said police in the city were "taught to use as little force as possible in any given situation".

I'm surprised at how many journos are surprised that Toronto police didn't shoot the van murder suspect. You know that police are specifically not supposed to act as judge, jury and executioner, right? We need to normalize non-violent police intervention.

Tweeted by NoLore on April 23, 2018 at 7:53 PM

2

Meanwhile, an American professor thinks the officer fucked up by not shooting him dead

> However, Michael Lyman, professor of Criminal Justice Administration at Columbia College of Missouri, told the BBC that the officer may have had a "duty" to kill the suspect.

Seriously, this just goes to show deadly force isn't nearly as required as American police seem to think, and that training is a huge part of it

hopefully the american legal systm takes note and tries to improve it's training

Additionally 10/10 police officer here. Makes me proud to be Canadian to be sure. hopefully we continue to see more and more incidents like this resolved without deadly force.

Mad Scientist

@Wipqozn a huge difference seems to be that in many other countries the police wait until they actually know that a suspect is armed, and even then only if they're a direct and immediate threat

Wipqozn

@MadScientist yeah like they should

puzzlepiece87

3:36 PM

@Wipqozn Americans already know - our own military has much more restrictive use-of-force policies, in combat zones, than our police do at home.

The Canadian/global policy would get in the way of killing minorities and being tacticool.

Hard to be the hero of your own story with handcuffs.

Wipqozn

@puzzlepiece87 I think it's more of a training problem than one of individual officers having a wish to just kill everyone

puzzlepiece87

"good guy with a gun" doesn't keep it in his belt

Wipqozn

Like yeah that's a problem, and those folks not getting weeded out is part of it

but I continue to refuse to agree with certain folks that police are, on the whole, bad people

puzzlepiece87

@Wipqozn Sorry, you are completely right. I was ranting but agree with you 100%.

Wipqozn

BAd cops are a symptom of bad systems

puzzlepiece87

3:38 PM

I think that we as an American society encourage that mindset and training regime.

There are definitely individual bad officers and decisions, but it wouldn't happen on this scale if it wasn't systemic/societal.

So yes, I completely agree with you.

user15026

4:05 PM

@GnomeSlice @TimStone agreed - like I get it, he does a lot of very strange things very publicly, but commenting on all of them seems like an exercise in weird futility

Wipqozn

@puzzlepiece87 Also I don't think I agree Americans, on the whole, already know know. I suspect the Average american doesn't think there's any problem at all. They probably think other countries aren't any different.

Not everyone follows issues as closely as we do

user15026

@Wipqozn I hope so. Although it sucks how many people are shocked that they didn't shoot the guy, and also how many people think they should've

Wipqozn

@Ash Yeah it's fucked

user15026

@Wipqozn Agreed - sometimes we get kinda echo-chamber-y in here - America is big with lots of people in. I assume, like I see here, people assume their reality is the only reality - they might not know other countries/places act differently.

Wipqozn

@Ash Definitely disagree this is only an echo chamber sometimes :P

And yeah, speaking as someone who used to work at a news company, the average person just reads the top stories of the day or whatever is shared to facebook. They don't do much additional diving, and a lot of folks will just read the first paragraph.

puzzlepiece87

4:11 PM

@Wipqozn I guess where I ultimately am on people not knowing is that their voices don't really count in the discussion until they start participating. That's not a judgment at all - I'm extremely fortunate to have the luxury of time and money to follow issues. It's just that these decisions will continue to be made whether people know or not.

And I think it's very unclear that even if they did know they would substantially disagree with the people who already do know.

Unionhawk

@Wipqozn this is actually something we talked about during a happy hour; how individualizing the issue makes it way easier to dismiss, so we need to consider how to make it clear that no it's institutional

puzzlepiece87

And you can use other decisions as proxies for how they would feel. For example, Americans as a whole have a long, consistent history of being in favor of increased law and order.

Unionhawk

that said, making it an institutional problem gets dismissed as "no it's just a few"

so

hm

puzzlepiece87

So it's nice of you to give people the benefit of the doubt, but when the same people you're giving the benefit of the doubt to vote for the person promising to get rid of the "scary illegals" or "scary terrorists" or "American carnage" or whatever else the buzzword of the day is, I don't think it's earned.

I think it's quite likely that they'd be like "Nope, they're criminals anyway, just shoot them"

Unionhawk

I mean it certainly doesn't help that extrajudicial murder is extremely legal in this country

puzzlepiece87

4:15 PM

@Unionhawk That chain seems like a very roundabout way of saying people are going to believe what they want to believe despite whatever the evidence is.

Unionhawk

It's a challenge

How do you approach or convince someone something needs to be done if you disagree on definition level things

Wipqozn

@puzzlepiece87 Except the voices of people who don't follow this stuff, are uninformed, or don't say anything at all do count. They may not matter to us, but it matters to the politicians making the decisions who are trying to get elected. If enough people don't speak up that's essentially viewed as acceptance of the status quo.

aka "My base doesn't care about this issue, so I don't care about it, if they did, they'd tell me!"

@puzzlepiece87 Never claimed otherwise.

@Unionhawk It can, but keep in mind that sometimes "it's just a few" is a response to someone arguing it's an institutional problem coming across as saying "all cops are bad people", which a completely different argument

@puzzlepiece87 Not really doing that either

Unionhawk

@Wipqozn No, like, rejecting it being an institutional problem and instead just being a few bad ones

It's a versatile line

since it covers both bases

Wipqozn

There's obviously a lot of Americans who are aware of how frequently shootings go on but don't think it's a big deal, and think it's a good thing.

@Unionhawk I know what you mean

puzzlepiece87

@Wipqozn Ah got it. I thought you were giving the benefit of the doubt to them in the linked comment. I thought "if they knew, they'd want change" was implied.

Wipqozn

4:24 PM

What I'm saying is someone saying "it's just a few" doesn't mean they disagree with it being an institutional problem, but that sometimes folks making institutional arguments don't present their points well and it comes across as "all cops are bad people". So it looks like a person may be disagreeing, but they're not.

I hope that made sense, because I gotta get back to work

puzzlepiece87

I guess I'd reply that I was using "know" loosely, in the "specifically know" or "okay with the status quo" sense.

@Wipqozn But maybe that's what you were meant by "already know know". I assumed that was a typo and not a specification for "specifically know"

Unionhawk

It's a particular challenge in this country and it's honestly going to be one of our biggest challenges for a long time

philosophical questions about whether or not people upholding a bad institution can be good aside, because honestly who cares

it doesn't really matter or change anything

puzzlepiece87

Yup

murgatroid99

@Wipqozn For the record, this is the argument I have made in the past, or tried to make. I don't dispute that there is a major institutional policing problem in America, but I have pushed back against arguments that seem to imply that the problem is universal.

Tim Stone

4:43 PM

(sorry, I didn't mean it to come off confrontational, just on phone, but it sounded kinda like that so removed)

user15026

@TimStone I get what you're saying, I'm more just like headtilt at how we got to the point where we HAVE all these things to comment on because the whole thing is bananas and it's always bananas and there are so many bananas

Tim Stone

What's crazy is that it got weirder when Trump later dragged Macron off by the hand like they were besties

Tim Stone

6:11 PM

The EPA has shut out reporters from its announcement on making science-based regulations more transparent. The audience, visible in the live feed, is a who's who of climate deniers, all of whom have worked to weaken established climate science. https://www.epa.gov/home/live

Tweeted by scottpwaldman on April 24, 2018 at 5:57 PM

quartata

love transparency

the best transparency

Tim Stone

6:28 PM

.@SenateMajLdr on VA Sec nominee Ronny Jackson: "I'm waiting to hear from both Chairman Isakson & from the Administration what they believe the way forward should be & we'll take our cues from them..I'm going to wait & see what the President recommends." https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4726113/majority-leader-mcconnell-va-sec-nominee-ronny-jackson

Tweeted by CraigCaplan on April 24, 2018 at 6:26 PM

One could argue that you could instead run the Senate but idk

For his part Trump said it's "Jackson's decision" and that he told him "What do you need this [the nomination which I trust upon you] for?"

So I'm not sure what more McConnell expects

BREAKING: An F-16 from Luke AFB has crashed.

Tweeted by Oriana0214 on April 24, 2018 at 6:30 PM

Damnit :/

Unionhawk

@Unionhawk lol Ian has a disengenuous take now

Tim Stone

Michigan lawmakers introduce bill to require locks on opioid prescription bottles http://hill.cm/qL3miEs

Tweeted by thehill on April 24, 2018 at 6:37 PM

wat

I appreciate the intent but like, how in the world?

It suggests a four digit combo lock, and if the bottle is still plastic…the pills are gonna get got

Unionhawk

this is also probably not the thing?

like

Tim Stone

The claim in the article is that teens are stealing them from the prescribee, but I don't know how much of the user base that constitutes

GnomeSlice

@TimStone Pilot killed?

Unionhawk

6:42 PM

@TimStone right yes

Tim Stone

@GnomeSlice Looks like he ejected safely now, thankfully

quartata

@TimStone not only is this solving the wrong problem, it's also forgetting the fact that a four-digit combo lock can literally be cracked by anyone and you can just cut through the plastic

what are these people doing

stop it

GnomeSlice

@TimStone Phew

Tim Stone

Unclear what the situation on the ground is, but I assume no buildings/whatever harmed

GnomeSlice

not usually

Tim Stone

6:44 PM

@quartata It will make prescriptions marginally more costly though, I imagine

We could just not prescribe as many opiates to people who didn't need them too, but then we'd likely go too far and screw people with chronic pain over so :/

Unionhawk

It's a hard problem

It's one of those things where I just rely on people way smarter than me

Ave

9:22 PM

apparently notsobot and notsosuper got banned from discord

for echo (the antisemitic ((())) thing)

also raiding

and yeah he attempted to raid our server too before so checks out I guess

Tim Stone

> We believe you should always know what data we collect from you and how we use it...These updates will take effect on May 25, 2018

Ave

correction: it was matmen who initiated the raid but nss also joined

Tim Stone

I too believe in things I am legally required to

SEN. TESTER CONFIRMS: Allegations against Jackson includes improperly dispensing drugs; being drunk while traveling on the job; and hostile work environment

Tweeted by kasie on April 24, 2018 at 9:23 PM

Price is Right failhorn

# ~~free~~ meekmillfree

But also Robert Kraft being friend with Trump and Meek Mill is...something

Mad Scientist

@TimStone are those all from the old IG report?

Tim Stone

Not entirely sure, Tester was on NPR giving the interview there, but the IG report recommended removing him from the role for I assume those reasons

Mad Scientist

9:38 PM

I only saw the hostile work environment mentioned in the early news about that report. The other stuff seems quite more likely to lead to a quick removal, if it were included in that report

Tim Stone

Yeah, looking further the allegations were officially reported, but not part of the report, which cites another person as a participant in the hostility

Latest info from @WhiteHouse officials: Dr. Jackson NOT withdrawing as nominee to run @DeptVetAffairs.

Tweeted by W7VOA on April 24, 2018 at 9:39 PM in reply to W7VOA

Ah, good, love me some more unnecessary drama

Mad Scientist

@TimStone that'll be an incredible shitshow

If you know that this kind of stuff is within reach of the people questioning you, it shows exceedingly poor judgement to even accept the nomination in the first place

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone love too be dr trumpbro

also how did these things not get him kicked out of his role as white house doctor?

Mad Scientist

I suspect that the alchohol and drug stuff is new, otherwise I'd also have expected him to be fired long ago

Wipqozn

> At any point if the cop had fired and killed the suspect, the public, his peers, the press, even the driver himself, everyone would have understood. In fact, we likely would have called him a hero.What held his finger? Bravery? Training? Compassion? Perhaps we will find out in the days ahead. But whatever it is, it deserves attention.

Didn't think that would work

Tim Stone

9:55 PM

For 2 hrs Route 53 DNS was hijacked and nobody noticed. The internet is the foundations for important information dissemination and supports billions of dollars of transactions. And it's more fragile than most folks would like to admit. https://twitter.com/GossiTheDog/status/988816808563093504

Tweeted by hrbrmstr on April 24, 2018 at 4:32 PM

btw that happened earlier 🔥

GodEmperorDune

wut

Tim Stone

Love too BGP hijack

No one noticed because they only rerouted a single domain but uh yeah could have been preeeetty bad

GnomeSlice

@Wipqozn Nerves of steel shown from that officer, but I also don't think the world would be lessened if that guy had been shot

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice yeah but officers aren't the ones to make that call, and neither are you

Police officers aren't judge, jury, and executioner

GnomeSlice

That guy decided to murder 9 people in broad daylight, I think he gave up his right to live

Wipqozn

9:59 PM

and when police response is "shot first, ask questions later" you get the united states

@GnomeSlice Yeah I'm not having this conversation

GnomeSlice

It's pretty obvious in the video that the guy wanted the cop to shoot him, which is probably why he didn't

And also yeah taking someone alive is always preferable, especially when you need to question them but like

@Wipqozn and fwiw, yes police officers are allowed to make that call

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice Honestly I'm not even sure how to respond to this

Except look at the united states

All of the USA problems with police stem from that mentaility. Shot first. police are killers.

GnomeSlice

Police have been allowed to take lives for a long ass time, they can't just do it willy nilly obviously. I thought this was common knowlege

But if they have to

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice Only under very specific situations, which is different then being "judge, jury, and executionor"

GnomeSlice

Which is not what either of us said

Tim Stone

10:12 PM

There's a whole thing on whether him being an "incel martyr" or looking like a clown locked up for murdering 10 people for a long time is a more effective deterrent aside from the ethical implications but I don't know if that's been examined closely

GnomeSlice

So yes

Wipqozn

An officer can't just stroll up to someone who just killed their SO and shot them down cold blood

GnomeSlice

@TimStone Interesting

@Wipqozn No... obviously not

user15026

@TimStone I wondered if that was just GPDR related and not them actually doing a good thing :P

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice Except that's basically what you're saying when police have that call

Tim Stone

10:14 PM

@Ash Pretty slick huh? :P

I don't think it's mentioned anywhere

GnomeSlice

@Wipqozn No it's not and you know it

user15026

@TimStone yeah, that's a nice positive PR grab attempt right there

Tim Stone

🔫 U+1F52B PISTOL on major platforms 2013—2018 https://emojipedia.org/pistol/

Tweeted by Emojipedia on April 24, 2018 at 9:46 PM in reply to Emojipedia

(Google is updating its pistol emoji to a watergun like Apple)

(But also why couldn't we have Microsoft's SPACE PHASER?)

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice I really don't. It sounds to me like you're saying police should be able to shot anyone they deem worthy, like it was a trial by jury. They're only supposed to use lethal force if it's required, not because a suspect "gave up his right to live".

GnomeSlice

@Wipqozn where the hell are you getting that from

user15026

10:15 PM

@TimStone also, I find it interesting that they moved AWAY from space phaser

Wipqozn

16 mins ago, by GnomeSlice

That guy decided to murder 9 people in broad daylight, I think he gave up his right to live

18 mins ago, by GnomeSlice

@Wipqozn Nerves of steel shown from that officer, but I also don't think the world would be lessened if that guy had been shot

Tim Stone

@Ash Yeah! I guess they were trying to be consistent, but they were a bit late to the party

GnomeSlice

Yeah he's a piece of shit, doesn't mean that I think we should manhunt him down and kill him. What I meant is that if the police officer had decided to shoot instead of not, i dont think it would have been a big loss to the planet earth

Wipqozn

The combination of these two messages, and most of the other statements you've made

GnomeSlice

just forget it, you're obviously looking to project whatever opinions you think I have onto me so there's no point

user15026

10:16 PM

@TimStone I wonder if they will move back to space phaser

GnomeSlice

I'm going to make dinner and shower

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice Then don't respond to me saying cops aren't "judge, jury and execution" by saying "he gave up his right to live". That entire conversation is why I formed an opinion, it's not me just trying to project.

Like there's more to what you say then the literal words you type.Context matters.

Tim Stone

@Ash I would, it's much more fun than a water gun if we're going to eschew the actual pistol

user15026

@TimStone I agree, I'd choose that. Although Google's water gun is at least a cooler water gun than the others

Tim Stone

10:38 PM

On the eve of arguments at #SCOTUS over the legality of Trump's third attempt at a travel ban ... https://twitter.com/markknoller/status/988909076674424832

Tweeted by chrisgeidner on April 24, 2018 at 10:37 PM

(Trump invites Chief Justice Roberts to the State Dinner)

Unionhawk

11:36 PM

Oh cool

One of the candidates for the republican nomination for Ohio governor is promising a rollback of the medicaid expansion

quartata

11:54 PM

@GnomeSlice not to bother you about this further, but I think one of the reasons you have to be careful about this is because a lot of nuts on Twitter legitimately think he should have been shot in cold blood on the spot. i get that's obviously not what you mean but you have to tread that line very very carefully

GnomeSlice

it's not really 'in cold blood' if he's pointing a gun at the officer

quartata

they're using it to try and deflect from the fact that Canadian police are better at this than American police lol

GnomeSlice

That just seems like a baseless claim

quartata

Police in commonwealth nations in general are trained to use firearms as little as possible, plenty of statistics will back me on this

GnomeSlice

doesn't that include the US

quartata

11:57 PM