point was the right here doesn't think he deserves a trial and sentencing, that he should just be dead. I think you would still prefer the former, ideally

what I really meant to say is that I have no problem with the lives of the cop and all bystanders being prioritized over that of that guy

in similar situations if the safest thing for everyone else is for the guy to get shot then like... do it

if it's still safe to bring him down alive then yeah try and do it

My position on extrajudicial murder is well known so I have nothing to add here

Again... I'm not advocating for people to just go around killing people vigilante style

I am merely using the correct term for what the police killing people regardless of the circumstances is, if that term makes you uncomfortable then that's really not my problem

Right, and they did arrest him safely and fairly easily by all accounts. People are then trying to downplay that achievement by saying "it would have been better if they just shot him," in order to undermine the overall point that the U.S. police could be better at this sort of thing (and also keep alive the culture of excuses that has lead to a lot of unarmed people getting killed and generally messed up police things)

If the guy had jumped out of the van and started shooting, then yeah it probably would have been better if theyd shot him

doesn't look like he had a real gun

@Unionhawk Self defense is a valid defense for killing someone, even if you're a cop. People don't generally describe killing in self defense as "murder" even though it is legally classified as homocide.

I mean, the "you can't prove he wasn't scared" standard aside I suppose you are correct

I just find that deeply unsatisfactory and reductive with respect to the level of force used in the united states though

last point is key

they don't want this to be used as an example for what U.S. police should be doing

so they're trying to smear it

@TimStone As is facebook apparently.

A thing can be legally fine, or even legally extremely fine, and still be a problem

(I was referring to "reductive with respect to the level of force used in the U.S.")

I'm not trying to say that most or even many killings by cops in America are actually justifiable self defense (I don't know), or that the level of force currently used by the police in America is reasonable. But when you say things like "regardless of circumstances" you are making what I think is an unjustifiably broad statement and that is what I am pushing back against.

Mulvaney also now pushing to make private a database of consumer complaints, presumably so no one has to ever pretend to act on them

@TimStone dafuq

this admin loves to say the quiet part loud

(story)

lol

did that one democrat who caucuses with the republicans change his mind

A good portion of the article is about Simcha Felder, a Democrat, continuing to caucus with Republicans, in the most New York drama bullshit fashion

oh lol nope

THE UNCERTAINTY

well at least Cuomo has that one off his back too

throw hands up

That's not even a creatively worded totally fake thing

Oh wow it's like a whole PowerPoint slide titled "Civilization Jihad"

I can't even get my damn self dressed properly some days and this woman's here solo delivering her own baby

and making it through airport security

@TimStone holy shit

@TimStone is this a new sid meir game?

@Ash this is good, but one of the books referenced, "kill all normies" sounds problematic and seems to fall into the "both sides are bad" camp which then leads to disparaging trigger warnings and other gatekeepery nonsense. Many reviews say that it was rushed to press to capitalize on trump/alt right being in the spotlight and it could really have used an editor to catch typos, logical flaws, and structural issues

i'm kind of at a loss for why it is included in an otherwise fantastic set of resources

(sorry if that came across as weird, i was away from TIF and moving through old messages)

@TimStone dear god the comments on article are so bad

"was the baby purchased" "the woman should be arrested for flying so late in pregnancy that's murder"

People suck.

The Daily Beast: Hank Azaria Willing to ‘Step Aside’ From ‘Simpsons’ Apu Role. google.com/newsstand/s/CBIw0fr9zjo

> “The idea that anyone young or old, past or present, being bullied based on Apu really makes me sad,” Azaria told Colbert. Asked what will become of Apu in the future, Azaria said his priority is to “listen to Indian people and their experience with it,”

10/10 right here. This is exactly how these things are supposed to go. If people are getting upset and start pointing out 'that's racist' you're not supposed to just dig your heels in but listen to them and then make an informed decision

Because if you listen to those folks and others you'll find out that it's not just people complaining for no reason (which way too many people think is the case), but that stuff like this really does cause people harm.

I've mostly been ignoring this whole thing, since I don't watch (new) Simpsons but I saw this story and it made me feel good so I to share

businessinsider.com/…

WELL SPAKE

> It becomes impossible to discuss even something as trivial as the egg spoon in terms that do not relate to the grand cultural divides that define our current political moment. And therefore, it becomes safer to have conversations only with people who agree with us in the first place.

A thousand times this

Not really 'news' more of a political think piece

Seems akin to the problem of "can you separate the art from the artist?"

🤷🏼‍♂️

Blankenship is apparently running an ad claiming McConnell has a conflict of interest because Elaine Chao's father is a "wealthy Chinaperson" :|

@TimStone aren't newborns nog forbidden tot fly for health reasons?

Not a lot of choice given the situation

What are they gonna do, ship the kid by boat while mom flies?

And it's probably generally not recommended due to all the reasons (pressure, weird air, diseases, etc)

(ooh! And extra radiation)

@Arperum Having recently been on a flight, it doesn't sound like it.

Kids are loud.

And repetitive.

@Arperum I'm not sure about forbidden, but yeah, for health reasons it's generally recommended to wait until 4-6 months

apparently blanchard extended autogynephilia thing to trans men but uh

i forgot that he blocked me lol

A culture that pressures people to apologize for simply expressing a political opinion is pretty broken imo

On one hand, valuing honesty over everything else seems like a dumb proposition to me. "He stabbed me in the face but at least he told me he would do that so he's a good guy" is an odd thought by any measure. On the other hand, people yelling at celebrities for expressing political opinions isn't a new thing.

@Yuuki flashback to the Dixie Chicks

@TimStone I'm sure it's even older than that.

Oh, sure

There has always been a "seen, not heard" sentiment towards celebrities.

Just a far more coordinated campaign than whatever would have likely happened with Shania regardless

Amongst other people.

🙄

Feel like it might be a bit soon for that, given that I'm assuming that the probe isn't anywhere near done.

Like it's really hard to suggest that anything positive could be gained from materials of "public interest" here, it's not like a DA's office protecting the cops that feed it cases or something

Agreed

:eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes:

mentally replace that

or mod abuse replace that if you want I don't care

👀👀👀👀👀👀👀

I am too lazy, but yes

Same

I'm honestly not sure if "turn the post office into also a bank" is necessarily a good idea, but killing the payday loan industry is definitely good so

@TimStone How is this supposed to work? Are they just planning on losing money with those loans?

The correct way to solve this is to simply limit the fees and interest that the lenders can charge, and eliminate the absurdly expensive payday loans that way

They're just charging slightly higher than the Treasury bond return rate

Which is like a 2% return, versus 300% interest from payday loan companies

for unsecured loans to anyone? That won't be profitable for sure

Agreed, that's going to be a bit crazy

providing basic bank accounts is a very reasonable idea, you want to ensure that everyone has in general access to that. But lending people money for cheap without checking if they can likely pay it back, does sound like it won't end well

@MadScientist yes exactly, neither monetarily or optically

The expectation is that by providing banking services people can't really get away with not paying you back, I guess? Like, they have nowhere else to cash their paychecks to begin with, which is why places like Walmart started offering that

I'm not sure, I'll have to read the actual text of the bill, but I don't think it's available yet

I mean, for values of won't end well requiring profitability perhaps but like

@TimStone what would stop them to just go again to a payday lender once the post office won't lend them any more money, because they already loaned the max from them?

Hopefully the payday lender going out of business

I'm not defending payday loans, I think they're crazy and should be outlawed, just like they are in many other countries

@MadScientist I mean the postal service could preemptively refuse to allow transactions from them, I guess

Payday loans are predicated on giving the lender the information to collect the money upfront, so if they knew they would be denied collection they'd refuse the loan

But yeah, I'll have to see how the actual bill addresses this, if it does at all

The basic banking stuff e.g. is already law in the EU, every bank has to provide basic accounts to anyone (with some exceptions like if you're convicted of bank fraud or stuff like that).

Mostly all accounts here have fees that make them prohibitive for people who barely make enough money to survive

lol it was stupid and obvious that that's what they did but why would you let that picture be taken in the first place then?

Also, what about being a New Yorker makes you not have interest in watching an eclipse?

It was just the dumbest excuse he could come up with at the time

Especially in light of Trump looking directly at the sun

Clearly Mnuchin was attempting to say that Trump is not a real New Yorker.

Trump does seem like a weird mix of Jersey Shore and Florida Man.

> GOP lawmaker shreds Trump for describing Kim Jong Un as "honorable": It "surpasses understanding"

"GOP lawmaker", like we didn't already know it was Jeff Flake

@TimStone It is perhaps "overstanding".

Or "right-about-parstanding".

I'm gonna mention it now so we never have to talk about it again but 🤦 at the Joy Ann Reid blog post nonsense

@TimStone archive dot org had a fun post about it

Yeah, it's just...it is so, so dumb

Including that wayback is now explicitly robots.txt excluded

> Inside the Confidential N.F.L. Meeting to Discuss National Anthem Protests

It is amazing that in this, the year 2018, people wittingly record a three hour conversation in which they say things they would probably prefer others not hear!

I mean it wasn't in 2018, but you get the point

Kanye has tweeted and apparently now Trump is dragon energy

😂

@TimStone I mean, this is about par for conservative boycotts. Buy the thing and then destroy it in one fashion or another.

Giving my money to a company I hate to own the libs

They packed it with 22 pounds of tannerite and then shot it with an AR-15

And like a fourth of the video is the guy saying "hashtag yeti hashtag nra hashtag ar-15"

I'm not sure why

@TimStone It's like someone took a stereotypical millennial and marinated it in Budweiser overnight.

It's probably important to point out that people have been blowing up coolers full of tannerite before this so it's kind of just a two-fer, but

They could also just not do that

I'm still puzzling over "dragon energy".

It's probably best not to think too hard about it, you can hurt yourself that way

it's probably related to the dragon of chaos

or some bullshit

JBP stuff

@Unionhawk Is that a reference to Eastern or Western dragons?

If the former, that's a complete misunderstanding of the symbolism of dragons in Eastern mythology. Which is honestly not that surprising.

Dragons symbolize order and hierarchy. There's a reason why "a snake cannot be a dragon" (or something along those lines) is a saying in China.

hang on let me get the diagram

as you can see,

adds to folder of 'unhelpful unnecessary visualizations'

Or is it an unnecessary unhelpful visualization?

🤔

But wait there's more

... huh?

Yes

I'm lost in a maze of recursive loops, arrows, and extraneous quotation marks.

My god

It's like a misogynistic dictionary vomited on a flow chart created with a RNG

@TimStone Okay I know I said we'd never have to talk about it again but what a take

@TimStone The greatest intellectual of our time

I really don't get the appeal, even if you want to believe what he's saying, the presentation itself is just awful

honestly you have to have a high IQ to understand is banned from the internet forever

(quoted tweet is Carson trying to raise the rent rate for low-income tenants receiving subsidies from HUD)

"Hey I used to be allowed in here!"

twitter has apparently made a profit

That is news

🙄

I like how she frames it in a way that the matchup between the (D) and (R) anti-choice candidates isn't just a failure to get someone better through the primary

whispers into the void Except it issssss

that would imply the party is capable of failure

which ho wdareyou sir

> Over the last 30 days you spent $----- on Federal Tax. You usually spend $----. Might want to look into that.

Thanks Mint

@TimStone This is pretty great. I hope they really got him.

@TimStone k

@Fluttershy Yeah, seriously

@TimStone hovers no

absolutely not

It's important that you click thru

Suffer with me

That is a biohazard zone and I am entitled to a safe workplace

It also involves dragons for some reason

what

god

xd epic dragon sir

lmao god I should mute kanye

@Unionhawk Just now?

I have no issue with his music, he's just a notable dumb-opinion-haver.

I mean now that he's reactivated and getting quoted and liked onto my tl

Ah okay

Is there any kind of news that's not allowed in here?

@Fluttershy Anything that's from more than 20 years back. Because they are in fact olds.

Stan Lee accused of sexual misconduct.

I forgot how to link there for a second.

On the one hand, the dude is like 90. At that age, people tend to get horny and also not give any f--ks. On the other hand, come on man...

That's how "understandable but not acceptable" tends to read.

meanwhile:

Given the culture of his day and age as well as old people generally being weirdly perverted (speaking from the experience of living next to an elderly care facility), I would not be surprised if this story is true. That doesn't make it acceptable though.

@Unionhawk Wait, the Simpsons stopped being funny because Apu might no longer appear? Like, that's the reason why it's not funny anymore?

🤔

The sodomy ban is undone by the fact it's literally unconstitutional

Like, it's already decided, they just refuse to take the law off the books

lmao

nice

Yeah and I honestly don't even understand how the two are connected

yeah unless it's something dumb like they have to clean out this thing that doesn't apply anymore while they're in that area of the law

Like if you're going to openly defy the Supreme Court then just keep doing it I guess? Nothing additional is stopping anyone from removing that language now, as far as I can tell

(but also don't do that, stop being pricks)

NOLA DSA does good work but man I do not envy having to deal with that state

@Unionhawk Right, but like how is that any more of an enforcement than being told to sod off by the Supreme Court? 😂

Ohio is bad enough

(we borrowed their brake light stuff as a starting point for our brake light stuff, is how I know they do good work)

lmao, Abbott is a complete tool but this is hilarious

I can't remember, but isn't Louisiana the only state that uses a civil code rather than common law?

The tweet is a bit vague, he's telling Farenthold to foot the bill for the special election to fill Farenthold's seat

he's telling Jeb (a Republican) to cover the costs of replacing Greg Abbott (him)

Also probably that, please clap

@TimStone wut

I'm going to get through the rest of "What You Are Getting Wrong About Appalachia" today if it kills me

RIP Unionhawk

at least this chapter

lmao WHAT

> [Charles] Murray, who once burned a cross during what he described as a teenage prank,

this is a hell of a sentence and it's not even over

@Unionhawk Nice jontron burn, I like that

apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/politics/…

The allegations against Ronny Jackson. That document seriously escalates towards the end

@MadScientist Page not found.

rubs hands together

"Look I'll give you a free subscription to this Dark Web identity monitoring service if you just drop the charges against my friend President Trump"

@Yuuki try again, I got that error the first time as well, but there is actually a document there

Oh my god, I missed this yesterday

lmao

Use the Review feature at least, folks

> At a Secret Service going away party, Jackson got drunk and wrecked a government vehicle.

If they can get any hard evidence for that, he's probably done

I dunno, Matt Gaetz got elected after having his dad force the police officer who pulled him over for DUI resign so what's an impaired vehicle accident among White House officials?

But yeah, VA put out this:

Which has nothing to do with Johnson but Acting Secretary Wilkie would likely easily get confirmed, sooo

I mean it's hard to hate beer and the likely maximum amount of effort my body is willing to go through now that I've become lazy as hell

spencey has dropped his lawsuit against the university of cincinnati

lol

bye

jfc

Yeah, just awful, awful stuff

Lacking a wheelchair with straps creates an unfortunate situation, sure, but thinking this was a good solution, plus the clear abuse by the attending people? Unacceptable

Not to derail again into something infinitely more stupid but oh my god Chance is going to bat for Kanye now with "Black people don't have to be Democrats" and I'm like ???

They absolutely don't but jumping on board with people who want you to not exist is a pretty weird choice

It would be so refreshing for new stupid things to stop happening for a while so we can clear out our backlog of old stupid things

You all already know this, but now in news form: "Trump’s cell phone use is security 'nightmare'”

Aah - there we go, damage to their testing site seems like a more probable catalyst for suspending their nuclear program than diplomacy.

@TrentHawkins Thanks for sharing this

@TrentHawkins people have been saying this since the announcement which is why they were saying "don't get your hopes up"

but that wont deflate someone's ego who will still say "Rocketman did this because of our sanctions, good policy"

@Memor-X Hahahahahahaha

@Memor-X Yeah, I know. NK turning over a new leaf would be nice, but is highly unlikely without other major changes... but this was the first article that came up in my feeds that suggested a likely cause after the diplomatic speculation earlier this month. (And, yeah, won't stop someone who invents his own reality from claiming it as his win)

I'm starting to think someone needs to explain to him what conflict of interest means

@Memor-X i guess he'll read them because his name is mentioned frequently

@GodEmperorDune lol, that'll be how he determines which ones should be taken out

> Trump: can't read it, can't read it, can't read it, can't read it, can't read it, oh i can read this one *puts away*, can't read it, can't read it, can't read it