This Is Fine

Avery

00:32

Tim Stone

#BREAKING: Trump Jr. ends Secret Service protection, claims he needs more privacy: report http://hill.cm/UP8Cgj5 https://t.co/vgZPXvOw3h

Tweeted by thehill on September 19, 2017 at 12:34 AM

Uh, okay…

Avery

I SWEAR I saw a copypasta like that

It was about bannon though

Tim Stone

Considering that a politician was literally already shot, I feel like that's either on-brand level of lack of foresight by a member of the Trump family or sketchy as hell

Unionhawk

> In other words, even though the goal we seek may be far away, unless we name it and fight for it today, it will never come.

FUCKIN YEP

Tim Stone

Update: NHC has upgraded Hurricane Maria to Category 5. It was Cat 1 this morning, one of the fastest intensifying hurricanes in history.

Tweeted by EricHolthaus on September 19, 2017 at 12:23 AM in reply to EricHolthaus

THIS ISN'T A COMPETITION, MARIA

Avery

00:41

rip america

Unionhawk

@TimStone it is

Avery

1776-2016

Unionhawk

I'm pretty sure America is 2017 years old

Tim Stone

There is undoubtedly multiple people on Twitter willing to back you up on that

Avery

(I'm not perfect on american history but I assume taking declaration of independency as the year USA was formed is probably not the worst idea)

Tim Stone

00:44

@TimStone Oh, The Hill with the helpful radar image of doom:

Unionhawk

@Avery bicentennial was in 1976 so yes

Tim Stone

luv 2 go to black Clouds of Death status

Unionhawk

Isn't it basically Irma track too

Tim Stone

I mean it's too early to tell but Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands are in-path

Apparently this is the first time since 2007 we've had two Cat 5s in the same season, too

Unionhawk

01:58

"Police confiscate apple cider vinegar that helps combat known chemical agents cops spray in ppl's faces" https://twitter.com/stlcountypd/status/909607645195022336

Tweeted by ChuckModi1 on September 18, 2017 at 3:09 AM

💯

Yuuki

02:10

@TimStone oh goddammit

Unionhawk

@Yuuki make u think

Apple cider vinegar is standard black bloc first aid equipment but who knows what it could be

Private Pansy

02:56

@fredley I'm looking at the article on FiveThirtyEight now, and in the visualization of different country's approval of different Trump policies, it lists a single Middle East country where a majority of respondents approves of the Muslim Ban - and it's not Israel

I'm so confused

Yuuki

03:07

@PrivatePansy Which one?

Qatar?

Private Pansy

I don't know, the visualization only named Israel and Turkey. I could dig into the source, but I'm laaaaaazy

@Yuuki Don't think so, weren't they one of the countries affected by the ban?

Ah, no, it's "Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen"

Hmmm, I could see them supporting the US on this then, maybe?

Yuuki

It's either Qatar or Saudi Arabia.

Qatar is in a bad place right now, geopolitically speaking.

They're the nouveau riche to Saudi Arabia's old money.

Private Pansy

I wouldn't call the Saudis old money

No, wait, I'm thinking of the UAE

Yuuki

As far as current Middle East geopolitics goes, they are.

Avery

07:11

wrong

If you’ve heard of Elf on the Shelf, you may be entitled to a class action settlement

Tweeted by christinelove on September 18, 2017 at 5:13 PM

there

why here? idk

Trent Hawkins

07:36

@Avery I've been seeing that pop up on the various things I follow lately... out of curiosity I looked it up on Google trends... guess it starts every year around this time.

Avery

why though

Trent Hawkins

because people love bad/easy puns?

Avery

no like

why pop up around same time every year

Trent Hawkins

> Elf on the Shelf started as a Christmas tradition where people placed an elf on a shelf and promote paranoia in their kids by saying the doll could see everything they did.

source

Avery

aaaaah

Trent Hawkins

07:42

Seems to gel with the timeline of the spike, hits the peak around the beginning of December...

Avery

and that's kinda fucked up.

Trent Hawkins

It's not the worst Christmas tradition (coughZwartePietcough), physical reminder that Santa "Knows when you've been bad or good"

Nzall

I'm considering making one that's "rock on a cock", but it's Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson on a rooster

Avery

I like that idea.

Nzall

it's not even close to the worst I've seen online

Trent Hawkins

07:51

Although this may be the first year "Elf on the Shelf" has attained full-blown meme status, would be interesting to see how the trend spikes on google this year compared to previous.

GodEmperorDune

@Nzall dwane johnson?

chris rock is a comedian

Nzall

oh right

that's another option, Chris rock on a cock

GodEmperorDune

@Nzall yeah that sounds pretty porny

Kevin van der Velden

@TrentHawkins not a christmas tradition

Nzall

How about a pack of Pokemon cards on a male chicken? Booster on a Rooster?

Trent Hawkins

07:53

Best I've seen thus far was "Orange on a Door Hinge"

GodEmperorDune

@Nzall hue

Nzall

@GodEmperorDune I don't know how to interpret grunts, so I'm just going to view that as wholesome admiration

GodEmperorDune

@Nzall hue is a a memeful laugh of appreciation, so close enough

Kevin van der Velden

Hue is one part of some color systems

Nzall

I've also seen someone photoshop an outside water faucet on Donald Trump's forehead and call it Spigot on a Bigot

GodEmperorDune

07:56

@KevinvanderVelden this too

@Nzall did yall see terf on a smurf and yahtzee on a nazi?

Kevin van der Velden

@TrentHawkins hmm I can't find anything definitive, our government basically said 2 years ago that they won't get involved in private institutions

Well, in this one at least

Nzall

There was also this Dutch song 15 years ago that goes "Ik heb een toe-toe-toeter op mijn waterscooter", which translates loosely to "I got a ho-ho-horn on my jetski", but because the rhyme in Dutch works so well, I'm reminded of the song

Kevin van der Velden

a year ago? Isn't it more like a decade and a half ago

Nzall

oh right, a decade ago

or even 15 years ago

Kevin van der Velden

2003 apparently

Nzall

08:01

Close enough

Kevin van der Velden

Yeah

Nzall

Then why did they release a 10 year anniversary version in 2012?

Kevin van der Velden

Because money

Wait no google lied to me

Released in 2002, in the top 40 in 2013, I don't know why google said 2013 was the release date

Nzall

Gebroeders Ko - Toeter Op M'n Waterscooter (2012 Goldfinger Remix)

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Yeah, I doubt they're going to release their 10yo anniversary remix after 9 years, that would just be dumb

Aand I got sucked into the Dutch Parody Song rabbit hole

Kevin van der Velden

... they've made a song called "toeter op m'n waterscooter", of course they're dumb

Nzall

08:06

So apparently someone already did one of those suggestions above:

I assume that's Dwayne Johnson?

Avery

08:18

@GodEmperorDune terf on a smurf got so controversial

fredley

09:17

@Yuuki Could be Saudi, the muslim ban gives them a platform to expand their own nationalism

Unionhawk

11:36

@Uni's law: every sphere returns to copyright law eventually

These idiots are going to get owned in court and it's awesome

Yuuki

14:08

Oh, is BakedAlaska a white supremacist Twitter?

And some guy was trying to trademark Pepe memes?

Unionhawk

It's his current grift yes

His previous one was BLM

Avery

@bakedalaska @Cernovich Are you a fucking moron

Tweeted by SwiftOnSecurity on September 19, 2017 at 1:24 AM in reply to bakedalaska

Unionhawk

In case you were going to confuse him for someone with actual strongly held beliefs

GodEmperorDune

@Avery hue

Avery

why

that's not how it works

even I know it

Unionhawk

14:14

These idiots are going to go to court and they're going to get owned and it's going to be awesome

Avery

:joy:

also I'm not even on vpn why can't I see that twitter pls

Unionhawk

This is why when twitter says they can't ban nazis they are lying because they literally do

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk yeah they don't have a good success rate in courts

Unionhawk

@GodEmperorDune I think Baked is also in another DMCA case

He's not a smart person

as it turns out

GodEmperorDune

hate makes you dumb

Avery

14:17

@Unionhawk who would've guessed

Unionhawk

He maced himself to own the left and uses his mom's uber account

And is now facing 2 distinct DMCAs

Divine justice or something

Avery

> He maced himself to own the left

what

I'll need article links

Unionhawk

@Avery He got maced in Unite The Right, as he switched from facecam to regularcam on periscope, and there were periscope cameras all around yet somehow we didn't actually see it happen

All we saw was him switch, 1 second, then it switches back and his sunglasses are off and he's begging for more milk

GodEmperorDune

oh is he The Crying Nazi?

Unionhawk

@GodEmperorDune no, he's a different guy who got maced

Avery

14:22

@Unionhawk makes you think

GodEmperorDune

in other news

Trump using his Kim Jong-un nickname in address to UN: "Rocket man is on a suicide mission for himself and his regime.

Tweeted by awzurcher on September 19, 2017 at 2:20 PM

Unionhawk

@Avery I mean it is technically a conspiracy theory, but they also don't have footage in all those cameras

Somehow

@GodEmperorDune Can someone tell him that Kim Jong-un probably loves the nickname "rocket man"

Avery

this all reminds me that I should contact the artist and get the copyright passed over to my name or the license to use it as I want to be declared non-revokable

(talking about my profile picture)

Yuuki

@Unionhawk I mean, the law might be different under the DCMA.

Unionhawk

digital copyright maga act

Avery

14:30

donald covfefe maga act

Private Pansy

Watching the President of the United States mispronounce words live to the UN General Assembly is cringeworthy

Join me: bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-41323642/… #painismandatory

Unionhawk

I choose not

Avery

@PrivatePansy relevant message

Private Pansy

You get to drink whenever he messes up

Actually, just take a sip. Don't want to die of alcohol poisoning

Avery

> Cooountributions

Unionhawk

14:32

Half drink

Avery

death stares

> us pays most money to UN

Private Pansy

We pay 22%... we pay far more than anyone realizes...

Avery

um, you formed it? you're one of the richest countries?

Private Pansy

That's... a contradiction

Ewwwwwww

Paraphrasing: We believe human rights and dignity is important, but it ain't important enough for us to pay for it

Unionhawk

WHY AREN'T WE PAYING 1/211 AKA 0.47%

MAKE U THINK

Avery

14:37

America first but not when paying for UN

Private Pansy

Is the US a neighbor of Venezuela?

Avery

people starving is bad

except when they're in SF

Private Pansy

How did he flip into US trade with Latam countries? Then back again?

Yuuki

@PrivatePansy Trump-phrasing: I believe human rights— I love human rights, everyone knows I love human rights— and dignity is important. Everyone knows this. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. But we're paying too much, too much. My uncle, J. Donald Trump, he was a genius, he went to MIT you know, he said we're paying too much. He's a smart guy, a really smart guy. It's too much, they tell me, it's too much. You know what else is too much? How many electoral college votes I got.

Avery

that wasn't very nice

he sure do talks about middle class a lot as someone who never experienced a life as a middle class person

Unionhawk

14:41

Well

Everyone in America is wealthy by aspiration

So the estate tax is a middle class issue

therefore Trump is middle class

QED

Avery

> speaks about sacrifices for country

> bans certain groups from army

Unionhawk

That's actually how estate tax arguments work, "I hope to have a big estate one day!"

fredley

> Donald Trump at UN: US may 'have no choice but to totally destroy North Korea'

Unionhawk

@Avery afaik the pentagon is not doing the thing

for now

Avery

still ironic.

Unionhawk

14:43

I think the pentagon told people they should reenlist if they want even

Avery

woke america

GodEmperorDune

@fredley RIP my city

Avery

I'll be honest.

His speech is good.

it's full of lies, it's inconsistent, but it's, well

he's a businessman

GodEmperorDune

All of Trump's speeches make more sense if you just think of them as aural shitposts

Tweeted by morninggloria on September 19, 2017 at 2:45 PM

Avery

speaking in a way that cause people to feel close is his specialty

his (former) job, even.

GodEmperorDune

14:46

it's a con artist trick

basically fools you into doing what he wants

and somehow people think it's "authentic"

Avery

yeah

Unionhawk

It totally rules that we elected the dumbest man on the planet

quartata

@Avery my personal favorite reply:

@MattBors @bakedalaska @Cernovich If copyright was never applied for and paid, then no, he doesn't. Even if, he has… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/909928319805566976

Tweeted by SonOvFenris on September 18, 2017 at 11:53 PM in reply to MattBors

> applied for

mfw

Unionhawk

When you hire your lawyer from r/legaladvice

quartata

> I'm a professional artist, I do this everyday

cool story

@Unionhawk IANAL but I'm a lawyer

Unionhawk

14:50

@Unionhawk This actually isn't true, but he's top 5

quartata

ooh boy that person's twitter bio is really spicy

Nzall

Damn, this chat isn't moving automatically anymore

I think

Avery

> FREE SPEECH IS MORE THAN A LAW

no it's not

well

it is

Unionhawk

I mean it's a series of 2 words

quartata

@Avery I AM THE LAW

Unionhawk

14:52

It's a philosophical concept

Avery

but it's bound by rules of the law

Unionhawk

It's an assembly of 11 characters

quartata

> pro-private property

not a fan of parks apparently either

Private Pansy

Trumps talk of socialism being a dangerous ideology brought me back to the height of the Cold War

And I wasn't even born back then

So Trump is making me feel @Sternold

Unionhawk

Yeah we're real dangerous

quartata

14:54

"Commie" is making a comeback too

Unionhawk

There was a tweet earlier some time saying something to the effect of "communist/socialist" is the only ideological label where people go "hell yeah seize the means of production" instead of "centrist is a slur"

which, yes

but yes donald you're right the decomodification of healthcare is a dangerous proposal

after all how will people die from not being able to afford healthcare if it's decommodified

the free market is the only way because it's totally good that insurance companies have a goal of making a profit

Tim Stone

15:09

I've been out and about so I assume the President has made an ass of us all at the UN again but also lol at this:

My letter to @BillCassidy explaining how his bill uniquely and disproportionally hurts his home state of Louisiana. https://t.co/5re6ETMMiw

Tweeted by rebekahgeemd on September 19, 2017 at 12:51 AM

Love to get told by the Health Secretary of my own state

Yuuki

15:25

Should screenshots of headlines be considered news items?

Unionhawk

Sen. Kennedy (R-LA) says he's submitted amendments to Graham-Cassidy that would bar states from using $ to create single-payer systems

Tweeted by JStein_Vox on September 19, 2017 at 3:19 PM

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk what a jerk

Yuuki

Okay, I'm going to vote no then.

Speak now or forever hold your peace.

Or your piece. But if the latter, preferably not in public.

GodEmperorDune

@Yuuki hue

@Yuuki i think so

MBraedley

@Unionhawk And what do the states have to say about this? I'd be surprised if that wasn't an unconstitutional violation of the division of powers between the federal and state governments

Unionhawk

15:45

@MBraedley the only people who actually care about Whatever amendment are libertarians who want to destroy department of ed

MBraedley

@Unionhawk Ed has his own department? Wow, he must be special :P

Kevin van der Velden

Nah, special ed is way underfunded

Tim Stone

@MBraedley I mean it's federal money so they can add whatever stupid regulations they want since the states can just refuse to take it, but meh

It's still a super dick move

Unionhawk

16:50

@TimStone I mean, if NY and CA implement single payer, then people will move to NY and CA!

It's clearly a potential attack

fredley

Porkchat test

Unionhawk

I don't know what I expected

Is that just a 300 header

fredley

@Unionhawk No, since PC would pick that up

I found a new way to redirect that I didn't know existed

It will redirect even if you have javascript totally disabled, in fact I don't think there's any way to prevent redirection

Hooray for unused and basically forgotten about features of Hyper Text Markup Language

Avery

@fredley thanks

Private Pansy

17:12

Oh, the meta refresh tag

The meta tag basically allows you to specify HTTP headers in HTML

It's not uncommon if you need a redirect and have no way to use headers or HTTP status code, eg. on Geocities

quartata

@fredley I'm assuming it's meta refresh?

I always add one of those in because some really old browsers don't understand Location:

bad habit

Private Pansy

@quartata I mean, really old in this case means Netscape old

quartata

Yeah, I know

Private Pansy

Or @Sternold I guess

quartata

that's why it's a bad habit

don't really need it anymore

but I do it anyways because why not

Private Pansy

17:16

I mean, a 3xx response doesn't need a body, no?

So adding a body would slow it down, although the difference is academic

quartata

Hmm actually

I usually just give a Location: and I don't specify a status code so I'm guessing PHP sends 200 OK

I wonder why this has been working for so long

yeah ok it works

function redir($str) {
     header("Location: $str");
     echo "<meta http-equiv=\"Refresh\" content=\"0;url=$str\">";
}

this is what's in my folder of boilerplate crap

I commented out the Location one and Chrome still redirects me

now

I do actually have Netscape on my O2

but it's in storage so I can't test it :(

why are we talking about this in this room again

maybe move?

Unionhawk

no

Yuuki

17:40

30 messages moved to The Bridge

Yuuki

17:52

wat

wat

wat

quartata

that's a headline I didn't want to see

user15026

18:11

@Yuuki This does not surprise me at all.

user15026

People will do anything to capitalize on death or sex and this is both!

user15026

(Although I think I'd feel weird about it myself, but hey, different uh...strokes for different folks?)

Yuuki

18:26

@Ash hue

Avery

@Yuuki blink

is this real life

Unionhawk

yes

Avery

oh

fredley

Pls

Unionhawk

inf is best image

fredley

18:40

Better than that one

Unionhawk

quite

Unionhawk

19:31

Alastair Campbell and @OwenJones84 have a bit of a The Thick of It moment. Watch the full encounter:… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/910155646032629760

Tweeted by guardian on September 19, 2017 at 2:56 PM

holy shit/cc @fredley

Avery

today in stuff senate passed

> A joint resolution condemning the violence and domestic terrorist attack that took place during events between August 11 and August 12, 2017, in Charlottesville, Virginia, recognizing the first responders who lost their lives while monitoring the events, offering deepest condolences to the families and friends of those individuals who were killed and deepest sympathies and support to those individuals who were injured by the violence, expressing support for the Charlottesville community, rejecting White nationalists, White supremacists, the Ku Klux Klan, neo-Nazis, and other hate groups, …

> urging the President and the President's Cabinet to use all available resources to address the threats posed by those groups.

Unionhawk

I see you also get ProPublica notifications on stuff that actually got signed like 5 days late

probably

Avery

yes

also integra which I believe relies on propublica

Unionhawk

lol

I saw those emails like "oh fuck what now" then I saw "SJRes 49" and was like "oh that's old news"

Avery

if you know anything better I can nag the dev of integra and stuff

GodEmperorDune

19:45

So I found a fantastic tech talk that kinda touches on controversial news items... TIF or bridge?

Unionhawk

I don't, I specifically looked up SJRes 49 one day and it happened to be the day he signed it

GodEmperorDune

@Ash hue

Unionhawk

Because I didn't expect him to sign it

Yuuki

I'm going to assume that there's someone new here and I would like you to read the room description. You don't need to say anything, you can stay anonymous or whatever.

GodEmperorDune

SREcon17 Europe/Middle East/Africa - The Cult(Ure) of Strength

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@GodEmperorDune meh, posting it

Avery

20:16

fredley

20:39

@Unionhawk it's a parody

Unionhawk

You're a parody

Tim Stone

20:53

@Unionhawk That's just free CommieSocialist removal tho

Unionhawk

It's taxpayer removal is what it is

Tim Stone

21:10

Yeah but they don't believe in taxes it's okay

Unionhawk

21:57

It... Hurts small businesses in the state

Avery

22:58

Equifax says 100,000 Canadians affected by data breach. Says they'll be notified by mail and offered protection. BG: http://cbc.ca/1.4295357

Tweeted by CBCAlerts on September 19, 2017 at 2:21 PM

user15026

@Avery I'm curious if it is just people with ties to the US stuff or if it's any Canadians affected. It's a relatively small number considering the population size, so I suspect it's very specific criteria they're looking for

user15026

Guess there's not much you really can do other than the usual "this is how to be safe with credit" things until they possibly send you a thing in the mail

Avery

@Ash idk but I suppose best way to know is waiting until mails start to arrive

user15026

Yeah, exactly

RedRiderX

@Avery I wonder how the UK faired in this

I heard they were affected too.

Unionhawk

23:11

! Erdogan says Trump called him last week to say *he* was sorry about incident where Erdogan guards beat protesters: https://twitter.com/NewsHour/status/910273904005935104

Tweeted by ddale8 on September 19, 2017 at 10:56 PM

Neat

Avery

wait

how

like sure you might lie but...

trump... apologizing?

Tim Stone

@Unionhawk lol what the shit

Unionhawk

@TimStone Donald Trump loves authoritarians

Who could have guessed

earpiece we are getting word that literally everybody should have guessed this

Avery

Unionhawk

pfft you alt left idiot erdo is a PRESIDENT not a dictator

Owned by logic

If I get flagged down for that it'll be better than the time @ori got banned for calling himself an idiot after changing his name to gnomeslice

Avery

23:24

@Unionhawk well yes

Unionhawk

You can't be a president and a fascist folks it's against the rules

Avery

the stuff that passed that allows dictatorship gets into place after next elections

which I'll be able to vote on, yaysers... except best alternative is a turk nationalist lady which is like ugh

well, that is if erdo doesn't go for early elections

but yes legally currently he's not a dictator

but practically he is because he pretty much controls everything even if it isn't that visible

murgatroid99

I think "dictator" is generally more of a de facto description than a legal position

And quite a few dictators throughout history were legally elected

Avery

well calling him a dictator requires a tinfoil hat, though not an extreme one

I'm not sure if I could stick together enough legally obtained proof of it.

Though with illegally obtained ones... that becomes a little easier (there are leaked phone calls etc).

Unionhawk

23:42

You don't actually have to have a bulletin board to figure it out though

He's making moves to increase and elongate his power

Avery

yes

like I could say that I'm 99.9999% sure of it

murgatroid99

Historically, the point where you no longer need a tinfoil hat to think a leader is a dictator is the point where they have accumulated enough power that they are comfortable exercising their authority without worrying about losing that power

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk hue

Unionhawk

Meanwhile in The Democrats

Direct action gets it done. http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-after-sf-disruption-pelosi-says-she-1505786291-htmlstory.html

Tweeted by ddddarby on September 19, 2017 at 9:57 PM

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk but they already said they weren't doing the wall legislatively

Yuuki

23:53

Here's a hot take: maybe they don't have enough money for that avocado toast.

GodEmperorDune

@Yuuki hue

Yuuki

Stop spending money on your home mortgage and maybe you can buy some avocado toast, millenials.

murgatroid99

I both eat out less and buy fewer groceries than the average person because I eat so many meals at work

Avery

nope nope nope

Yuuki

@murgatroid99 So what you're saying is that millennials are increasingly being employed by Google?

murgatroid99

23:55

@Yuuki Google employment statistics support that hypothesis

Yuuki

Man, I want my Google job...

And my Soros bucks.

And my avocado toast.

murgatroid99

Of course, there are probably other companies that also offer that perk

Yuuki

And my license to kill industries.

GodEmperorDune

@murgatroid99 hiring millenials?

that's like the time i applied to a company with a website that listed "complies with OSHA" as a benefit

murgatroid99

@GodEmperorDune feeding employees directly

Unionhawk

23:58

@GodEmperorDune BENEFITS: does not use child labor in mining

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