This Is Fine

GodEmperorDune

00:00

if this is a rural area, how did they get so many people to block the only road in/out of town?

user15026

(Although I don't think anyone here was suggesting that as a solution)

GodEmperorDune

i mean worst comes to worst you probably flag someone over, explain the thing, and they let you through

Avery

yes that was what I said

1 hour ago, by Avery

but I believe on nearly all peaceful protests, you should be able to communicate and get people to let you through. No one wants to cause a death on a peaceful protest.

ash and murg had good points

GodEmperorDune

i've seen protests let ambulances and emergency vehicles through

but anyway, hypotheticals are dumb

murgatroid99

The entire topic is a hypothetical

It's not about a specific protest

GodEmperorDune

00:03

well i never

i thought this room was for news

Unionhawk

Fine, I-75 blm protest last year, do you power through y/n

The answer is no because police shut down 75

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk wtf power through?

Avery

n

n always

thing is even if you have a person to save as a doctor you can't kill people by driving over them to save your patient

@GodEmperorDune we should probably extend that to the generic "terribleness" tag

user15026

@Unionhawk okay I don't know why you are continually holding on to this don't run people over thing. None of us are suggesting this!

Unionhawk

Then what's the point of holding up hypotheticals involving people blocking the road

murgatroid99

00:08

@Unionhawk That was the original topic of conversation. Protests that involve people blocking the road

user15026

I don't fucking know but seriously your insinuating that we will just run people over is crappy.

Unionhawk

What does the knowledge that blocking the road is not ok get a hypothetical in danger motorist

GodEmperorDune

hurricane harvey en route to hit texas

Unionhawk

Literally nothing

GodEmperorDune

i really hope the trump admin didn't fuck up fema yet

Unionhawk

00:09

Jaywalking arrests maybe

user15026

@GodEmperorDune one can hope

murgatroid99

@Unionhawk OK, to be clear, when I used the phrase "immediate danger" I was describing the case where it's not a peaceful protest. Where the protest turns violent and you have to escape

user15026

@Unionhawk I'm confused by your statement here to behonest

Unionhawk

@murgatroid99 I'm unclear what the escape plan would be here

Like, you're in a car surrounded by people, now what

murgatroid99

I don't know. Try to move some. Try to push the cars around you. The car that is closest to the people won't have any cars in front of them, so they will probably be trying to move

I don't know the details. I was just trying to make the point that if you're in your car and the people around you get violent, that's a valid reason to get aggressive with your car

Unionhawk

00:21

@Ash you're in a car surrounded by people. u/Whoever is right and blocking the road is a form of violence. Now what

murgatroid99

@Unionhawk If you're talking about the reddit thread now, the situation they describe did involve actual violence (jumping on cars) (though it's a bit buried), and they also didn't actually advocate hitting people either

user15026

@Unionhawk no one here is advocating add more violence by running people over

user15026

And I feel like you are being super antagonistic here and I am not sure why

user15026

I'm not sure what response you are seeking

Avery

I think that abandoning your car or slowly trying to move (at a speed that wouldn't hurt people and being very careful about not running people over) would be the wisest choice.

Unionhawk

00:34

And we've arrived at how one approaches any traffic situation

It's unclear to me how this changes if the cause is a protest

Assuming we're all in agreement that the right wing meme and crime of driving over people is not a solution

Which seems safe to me

user15026

I don't think anyone was ever saying it was!

user15026

I think we can all agree on that for fucks sake

user15026

Okay

user15026

I'm too damn angry

Wipqozn

A Toronto orchestra sent out an email saying overweight people would neither be hired or kept on as part of the orchestra, as a result of the severe backlash the company has shut down.

quartata

00:45

wtf

I don't...?

Like I could maybe understand some twisted insensitive reasoning if it was a job where looks might matter

But if it's just an orchestra it's not like I'm going to be staring at the players the whole time

GodEmperorDune

@Wipqozn wtf i thought canada was better about that

Wipqozn

@GodEmperorDune Every country has it's share of shitty people. I'm just glad to hear justice was served and this place was forced to shutdown.

They probably got hit with a lawsuit

Very interesting read on discrimination hiring laws in the USA

murgatroid99

01:08

@Wipqozn That is interesting. I was generally aware of the Hooters story, but not the details of the justification

Nzall

09:19

Airbus has issued an emergency patch to stop its A350 airliners from exploding.

BlueBarren

12:56

@Nzall does it matter if other people get confused? This conversation is between the two of us

Nzall

@BlueBarren yeah, but I like it when other people can see my comments

BlueBarren

And anyone who cares enough about the conversation will have followed it here to see how it goes

Kevin van der Velden

Never

BlueBarren

Hey @KevinvanderVelden

ur face

MBraedley

13:53

Bernie supporters who defected to Trump may have cost Hillary the election

(Forgive me for being click-baity, since that's not exactly what the article is about.)

> Also of note: the Bernie-Trump voter also proved much more likely to consider himself or herself “somewhat conservative” or “very conservative” than the average Democrat.

That's interesting, because while Bernie didn't run a "liberal" campaign, it was definitely socialist. The differences between the two can be stark, but they have one commonality that conservatives generally oppose: big spending on things that don't start with the letters "MIL".

Avery

Milk?

(Bad joke)

MBraedley

14:11

... and rhyme with... nilitary

fredley

Avery

President Obama, Where Are You? (op-ed, NYT)

Unionhawk

@fredley pls

fredley

I couldn't resist

I'm sorry

Avery

@fredley pls we can't star this here

Unionhawk

14:15

No you're not

fredley

It's just too good/shit

Aug 21 at 17:17, by StrixVaria

I think the meme in this chat is going to be saying star-worthy things to troll everyone else.

MBraedley

> Days ago, a tiki torch maker had to issue a serious political statement disavowing white supremacists. Somehow this is happening in The New York Times, not The Onion.

Avery

Yeah that was absolute fire

The 'happening in nyt not onion' bit

StrixVaria

@MBraedley Bernie supporters who defected to Trump have absolutely no morals.

"The guy I liked is out, so I'm going to vote for someone who embodies the exact opposite. That makes sense, right?"

I met one once who tried to justify that stance.

I excused myself from his presence with all possible haste.

MBraedley

@StrixVaria I won't pass judgment on this explicitly, but one of the reasons given for some of the defections was that Bernie didn't run a campaign on racial issues, and some of the defectors were put off by Hillary trying to capture the minority vote.

StrixVaria

14:31

"I care about the issues, so I'm going to vote for someone diametrically opposed to my views."

Yeah, I don't see that as improving their moral character.

MBraedley

But I don't think, at least in the eyes of the defectors, Bernie and Trump had diametrically opposing views. Both were campaigning on lifting up middle America, which is what drew them to Bernie in the first place. They just weren't put off by Trump's racism.

StrixVaria

I still can't even fathom people who are convinced by Trump's bullshit, but I suppose that puts them in a different class of awful than "morally repugnant".

Unionhawk

public class PeopleWhoBelieveThis extends Awful

I'll show myself out then

StrixVaria

Is it "extends" or is it "implements"? :thinking:

Is Awful even a class or should it be like

@Awful
public class PeopleWhoBelieveThis

Unionhawk

public interface IIsAwful

Tim Stone

15:04

Hurricane #Harvey is now 115 miles SE of Corpus Christi, Texas; “catastrophic flooding expected," National Hurrican… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/901096377027088386

Tweeted by ABC on August 25, 2017 at 2:58 PM

Avery

stay safe @Yuuki

Tim Stone

Ah, good, good, we've come full circle and the place where I was born is likely to get completely rekted because the President is a moron

The scary part is that based on literally everything else, we have to assume it'll be a more incompetent response than Katrina, and how is that even possible? |:

Grassley warns Trump: Focus on hurricane, don't make same mistake Bush made http://hill.cm/cvbH5Zs https://t.co/LTO7iL27oU

Tweeted by thehill on August 25, 2017 at 3:07 PM

That was timely >_>

MBraedley

15:18

@TimStone Three feet of rain!? That's a lot!

Yuuki

@MBraedley It's going to be raining hard the whole weekend.

Tim Stone

Yeah, it's gonna be bad :/

Yuuki

On the one hand, I live next to a somewhat major bayou so all the water should go there.

On the other hand, I live next to a somewhat major bayou.

MBraedley

I'm just remembering those pictures of Houston from last year and 2 years ago (I think), and thinking "this is probably going to be worse".

Yuuki

Almost definitely.

But the major flooding was mostly in Meyerland and other places.

megalack

15:58

GodEmperorDune

@Yuuki that's not high ranking enough, now if it was a general bayou

Hurricane Harvey Could Also Be a Major Pollution Disaster

because hurricanes and the petrochemical industry don't mix

source

ToxicFrog

16:23

GCHQ is perplexingly awful at PR: twitter.com/GCHQ/status/901015380617043968

Avery

@ToxicFrog agh

user15026

@ToxicFrog ...do they know? Like do they realize? aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh

ToxicFrog

That first reply to it is perfect, at least

@Ash OTOH I want to say "how can they not", but OTOH if they know and said this anyways that's waaaay worse than if they're just really ignorant of their own history

Avery

the cat one?

ToxicFrog

@Avery yeah

Avery

16:29

it's kinda random I believe, the twitter sorting algo

ToxicFrog

(also I can't figure out why every one of their tweets ends with ^R or ^B or ^D or the like(

user15026

@ToxicFrog Yeah, either way it's unpleasant

Avery

oh

user15026

@ToxicFrog I assume multiple people handling the account, and thats them denoting who wrote the tweet

Avery

the R, B, D etc are usually the initial of the PR person

ToxicFrog

16:30

Aah

Unionhawk

17:28

Yeah it's a feature common in PR-level multiple user twitter clients

Tim Stone

18:38

Couple says sonogram shows Jesus watching over daughter http://bit.ly/2xvBewG https://t.co/sWRdeYSCo7

Tweeted by kfor on August 24, 2017 at 12:35 PM

Kevin van der Velden

Couple needs to read the wiki page on pareidolia

Tim Stone

I'm just trying to think of the situation where Jesus is up in your uterus and your response is like "Good, good" instead of "The hell you doing in there?"

Avery

@TimStone people are weird

Unionhawk

20:10

Border Patrol keeping checkpoints open during #HurricaneHarvey. https://www.texastribune.org/2017/08/24/border-patrol-texas-checkpoints-remain-open-hurricane-harvey/ Meanwhile, dozens of coloni… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/900899721086107649

Tweeted by reportbywilson on August 25, 2017 at 1:56 AM

🆒

meanwhile

Reporter: "Do you have a message for the people of Texas?" Trump: "Good luck to everybody." #HurricanHarvey https://t.co/Ec5miYYKzr

Tweeted by TasneemN on August 25, 2017 at 7:31 PM

GOOD LUCK EVERYBODY DON'T DIE - the president

Kevin van der Velden

I mean, it's not related to trump so why would he care?

Unionhawk

Because it is literally his job to care

GodEmperorDune

@KevinvanderVelden texas is part of his precious electoral victory map

they are trump's "fans"

Kevin van der Velden

@Unionhawk I mean, I would agree, you would agree, pretty much every other president would agree. But this is trump, trump's job according to trump is to make trump great again

GodEmperorDune

@KevinvanderVelden you are preaching to the choir here

Kevin van der Velden

20:20

No I am preaching to @Unionhawk, I don't know if he's in a choir

I don't think he is

GodEmperorDune

but maybe trump has to personally and specifically fuck over every constituency that voted for him until they realize that voting Trump was a bad call

Unionhawk

I'm going to stop you right there and inform you that this is a bad take

GodEmperorDune

oh who am i kidding, he'll blame the hurricane results on antifa or congressional dems or something

actually the dems will probably bungle this messaging too

goddammit

Kevin van der Velden

Yeah, america basically has two parties, an incompetent mostly-not-harmful party and a semi-competent evil party

Unionhawk

hooray fptp

hooray the democrats are useless

oh god I found some gourmet replies on garbage website twitter dot com

send help

ToxicFrog

20:29

drags @Unionhawk away from twitter

user15026

20:52

Canada to allow people to select X as a gender marker on passports.

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user15026

This is cool!

user15026

EXCEPT.

user15026

I feel really hella weird about the fact that everyone is reporting this as a thing for trans people who don't identify as male or female

user15026

like I feel super strange having enby be considered trans

user15026

because there's no transition, there's just...not a gender

Avery

21:01

@Ash some enby people I know like to call themselves trans (and non-binary) as they transition from something binary to something not binary. I can see how some might not enjoy being called trans but on the other hand, some do.

user15026

I guess so, I just don't like that it's being solely reported as a trans thing instead of an enby thing

user15026

Anyway.

Avery

@Ash yes I agree

Samsung's chief was just sent to prison by a South Korean court. That’s a big deal. (Vox)

user15026

(And like I get it, some people might like to do the thing that way, but I don't like that all of us enby folk are thrown in that box)

user15026

(I do not want to be in that box)

user15026

21:03

Anyway, sorry, I guess it's kinda okay for some people.

Avery

That article is kinda insensitive in that sense

user15026

or I am too sensitive, which is likely more likely than the other thing generally

Avery

I believe the article is the one with the problems

user15026

I am happy to see it, though - I wasn't sure how that would go. I mean Ontario started it with the licenses but I know there was a lot of concern about passports (and also people not being able to use their X markered licence as proof of things for passports because of the gender marker mismatch). It's nice that people have this choice now

user15026

I hope it doesn't cause problems with travelling, though because not every place is going to be necessarily considerate of it I don't think

Avery

21:08

I can see how it can be problematic

user15026

Yeah, I like it in theory but I'd hate to travel somewhere and have them look at it and cause me issues because of assumptions they'd make

GodEmperorDune

is there some like international agency that approves passport changes or something?

Avery

there are standards I believe

user15026

@GodEmperorDune I'd assume so, but I more mean like...some border person looking at it and their own personal views on the X marker causing you issues or harassment

GodEmperorDune

@Ash yeah i can see how people would be jerks like that

it seems like it was decades ago that we were having the "pharmacists get to choose not to dispense medications they don't agree with" debate

but was probably 2014 or 2015

user15026

21:29

Considering people get harassed for their name or their skin tone or whatever, I can only imagine how the gender marker could go.

Yuuki

21:44

> Trump staff believes he's 'too stupid to figure out that Infowars is garbage'

Avery

nice

I wonder if he's using that SUPER MALE VITALITY™ (insert hawk noise) thing

GodEmperorDune

@Yuuki does he buy all the alex jones survival blend merchandise?

@Avery nice hivemind fam

Avery

gotta support that MURICAN (fuck yeah) businesses

GodEmperorDune

22:59

aww fuck

the trans ban is official now

goddammit

Avery

10/10

good luck ACLU, this should make it easier.

GodEmperorDune

Breaking: Trump directs Pentagon to move forward on transgender ban, bans DOD from providing medical treatment to transgender servicemembers

Tweeted by jimsciutto on August 25, 2017 at 10:04 PM

@Avery lambda legal is suing, iirc

Avery

oh

right

GodEmperorDune

ACLU will probably join, but this is much more lamba legal's wheelhouse

Parker Malloy has a good (if heartbreaking) thread on the trans ban

Avery

This is interesting. The admin doesn't even try to justify the ban, instead saying Obama didn't properly justify *n… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/901216706596659200

Tweeted by ParkerMolloy on August 25, 2017 at 10:56 PM in reply to ParkerMolloy

10/10

wait does this mean that hormones aren't banned

user15026

23:07

DOL? HHS?

GodEmperorDune

@Ash department of labor, health and human services

user15026

Ah, okay

GodEmperorDune

DHS is department of homeland security, DOD = department of defense (formerly known as the war dept)

interestingly, the VA isn't mentioned there, so it only applies to active duty military and not veterans? maybe?

the craven part of me thinks that trump signed this on a day right before a hurricane hits so that the hurricane will dominate the news cycle

also most stuff that i've read shows that this is a Pence move, even though Trump signed it

user15026

@GodEmperorDune The idea of that no longer shocks me

user15026

It seems like a perfect idea for him to do

Avery

23:15

I mean hb2 was the same

like

bunch of ludicrous stuff hidden under one big thing that raised media action

GodEmperorDune

@Ash i mean signing controversial things on friday afternoon is a very long political tradition

because most people don't watch the news on friday night or saturday, then by sunday it's old news

user15026

yuck

user15026

that is fucked

Unionhawk

@GodEmperorDune they said they would

@GodEmperorDune UD likes to send stuff like "NEW HOUSING POLICY THAT IS BULLSHIT" at 4:30 on Friday (when the offices close) so it's not just government

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk yep

allegedly companies like to do layoffs Friday afternoon too

Unionhawk

23:20

I'm not sure how much that one is real as much as it is officespace

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk one of my previous companies did

though i don't know if "coincides with paycheck cycle" had to do with it

from talking to some of the managers that did the laying off, they needed the weekend to recover from the emotional strain of it

i mean at least they still had a job, but it still sucks, especially when it's not your choice

Unionhawk

The University also sent out a "we're closed tomorrow" at 9:30 one time. The liquor store closes at 9

GodEmperorDune

def intentional

Unionhawk

Sunoco is open 24 hours though and sells as often as state law allows

Still though, hopefully the aclu et al challenge goes through

Because doing this shit while there's a major hurricane currently happening will just play into his "SEE I CAN NEVER GET A BREAK" narrative

God dammit

Unionhawk

23:59

We'll see you in court, @realDonaldTrump. https://twitter.com/thehill/status/901211850154680324

Tweeted by ACLU on August 25, 2017 at 11:40 PM

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