The Awkward Silence

dhein

06:23

Hey everyone :)

A J

Morning!

avazula

07:22

heya

Tinkeringbell

Morning :)

Ælis

Hello :)

For the people arround here who have imposteur syndrom: instagram.com/p/B72JjqcArFT/?igshid=1gg8luvkp30jw @Belle @ava

avazula

haha. This is great

Ælis

07:40

:p

avazula

that's a nice account you linked here

dhein

Hmmmm... googling imposteur syndrom and other things recently that pretty much describe my behaviors quite well, slowly start making me feel like I am nothing but the sum of my symptoms... Feels uncomfortable :x

Ælis

@avazula I have pleinty other like that. I like those accounts that make feel good about yourself and tell you that it's okay to have all those mental health issues and that it's okay to be different and to set boundaries

avazula

@Ælis I knew you were going to like Instagram :)

Ælis

@dhein Yeah, I can understand that. Sometimes I wonder who I would be without all my anxiety.

CaldeiraG

07:54

Morning :)

Ælis

@avazula I don't like it, I love it! Finding so many people that tell me that I'm okay the way I am? This means the world to me

A J

08:08

@Ælis Very old joke. :P

dhein

@Ælis I wonder even more, if there actually can be someone who has none such impairments at all. What would one be driven by, if they had no obstacles in their thinking they had not first to identify and then work around them '^.^

Oh I posted by the way something on Psychologics just right now. I made a blind shot and hope its even on topic. But asking that way felt solid for me. So I think it might be interesting for some of you, too :)

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Q: What makes pathological demand avoidance different from reactance?

I am quite aware for some years already, that I am feeling resistant towards anything, others tell me what I have to do. I avoid watching youtube, news or anything, where I could perceive a message is trying to be communicated, telling me how to behave or what to do, as the resistance it makes me...

avazula

08:26

ugh ... I hate cypress :(

Ælis

09:03

@avazula What's "cypress"?

So, a coworker of mine just posted a link in our "random" channel (where we usually post fun stuff). Except 1) The coworker didn't put a trigger warning first and 2) the title is a very gruesome description of a woman murderer by her son. So, now I'm basically shacking because I really wasn't prepared to read this on this usually cute and happy channel :/

CaldeiraG

@Ælis :(

Ælis

09:30

@chump Let's have a cat

chumpbot

Ælis

x)

How are you people today?

avazula

@Ælis the equivalent of cucumber :p

Ælis

@avazula But I love cucumbers :(

avazula

haha

Ælis

09:36

@avazula Seems like this cat agrees with you, though:

:p

Hover, this one is with me:

And maybe this one is too?

avazula

haha

A J

@Ælis I saw this picture on Instagram once.

chumpbot

09:59

This question feels like a massive troll... who really thinks it's okay to pull out someone else's headphones? — Ian Kemp 1 min ago

avazula

@chumpbot nope

chumpbot

Invalid feedback type. Valid feedback types are tp, fp, rude, and wrongo

avazula

@chumpbot pewpew

chumpbot

Marked this comment as flaggable (tp). Currently marked 1tps/0fps. beep boop My human overlords won't let me flag that, so you'll have to do it yourself.

Belle

10:34

Morning.

Just got out of a meeting. My head feels like it's filled with fluff.

avazula

oof :/

Mine is filled with "wth won't you work when I look at you but as soon as I change windows you run just fine?!"

Aaaah ... testing ...

Belle

Concurrency or just coincidence?

avazula

I have no idea. I'm testing end to end so it's on the front end, which ... I'm really not familiar with

Belle

If it actually behaves differently when you're in a different window, concurrency seems likely.

Ælis

@avazula What are you testing with? Maybe I can help (if you are doing mobile testing though, I probably won't be able to help. I'm discovering it and it's a nightmare ><)

avazula

10:46

@Ælis Cypress ... ;)

Belle

I'm still trying to learn the stack of my new job and their framework. At least the language is the same :\

Ælis

@avazula Ah, no I finally understand! x)

avazula

:p

Belle

At my last job, there were weekly database updates and they were always backward compatible and had a database for every developer. This job has a central database and has updates directly applied to it, unlike commits, which you need to sync. So ever so often, the frontend crashes and I need to sync. But it usually takes me a few minutes to figure out the problem. A few minutes of frustration.

I prefer being a little frustrated because my code doesn't work than my colleagues gaslighting me though

I like this job :)

Ælis

@avazula May I ask why you are using Cypress? I just took a look at it and it doesn't sound really great...

avazula

10:54

@Belle do you by any chance know how to solve those concurrency issues? I tried with waits but it's not enough ...

@Ælis Company choices

Ælis

I just found 15 questions regarding cypress on sqa and 4347 regarding selenium-webdriver. So, you know, I'm gonna stick with selenium ^^

avazula

Motivated by my abhorrent colleague

I used to swear by Selenium ...

Ælis

@ava That's some Java + Selenium code, but maybe the logic might help you?

public void pageIsReady() {
WebDriverWait wait = new WebDriverWait(driver, 15);
wait.until(webDriver -> ((JavascriptExecutor) driver).executeScript("return document.readyState").toString().equals("complete"));
}

avazula

@Ælis I don't think so ... but thanks :)

Belle

@avazula Concurrency issues tend to be complex. Waits are not a good fix. Imagine two trains that are supposed to arrive at a particular station at the same time, so the passengers can switch between them and then they leave. Now one of these trains, train A, gets delayed sometimes, and train B leaves without the passengers of A. That's what's happening with your code. A wait tells train B to wait 5 minutes for A, but it's waiting unnecessarily if A is on time, and it doesn't solve the

issue when B is delayed for 10 minutes sometime.

Ælis

11:00

In any case, good luck @ava. Sorry, I can't help and sorry you have to work with a tools that have such a little community :/

Belle

You can try to find the issue with waits, but it's not a stable fix. There's going to be some data that one thread needs that arrives to late. You want to make the thread wait (or continue doing other stuff that doesn't matter) until you're sure you have the data. Or refactor until the two threads are no longer so dependent.

avazula

Thanks for the clear explanation @Belle. Unfortunately refactoring isn't an option, as I'm testing code I didn't write (and the person who did ... well ... let's say the least I talk to them the better. They're just the "what you did is just s**t" kind of person)

Belle

Concurrency issues are (imo) one of the worst types of issues you can face though, very difficult to fix.

That sounds unfortunate, @ava. Is it an option to send it back to them with a bug report?

avazula

@Ælis thank you :)

Ælis

Let's have some cat @chump

chumpbot

11:07

avazula

@Belle Erm, I don't think so. Maybe I shouldn't try to automate those end-to-end tests in the first place, as it works just fine when done manually? But I wanted to enforce the non regression audits and save time.

I also think it's good practice but, what do I know ...

Ælis

@avazula I'm a QA tester so, I'm probably biased here, but maybe you can try to automate test with cucumber + Selenium instead of not testing at all? But yeah, you would have to introduce a new tool which might be... difficult, depending on the mindset of the people you work with

avazula

I don't think I could change the mentality on testing and its benefits that fast.

Ælis

@avazula Also, even if it's not good practice, a "sleep" (in your test code) can save your life. Also also, make sure your front-end element have ids and that you use the ids to interact with them

@avazula Yeah. That's unfortunate, but it's almost true everywhere :/

@ava Tell me if I'm bothering you with this, but do you have someone (Product Owner for example) who do a specific list of manual tests before and after a push in production?

avazula

@Ælis we never went to production yet

but no I don't think so

Ælis

11:21

@avazula Well, that's explain why they don't really care about automating tests at all. If someone was doing all those tests manually every time, I can assure you, they would be more than happy to see it being automated (yeah, some of my coworkers call my work "life saving" ^^)

avazula

I know :p

chumpbot

Can you give some backup on how this will be helpfull/had been helping you in the past? And especially give some backup explaining why OP is with certainty the reason for them using headphones? — dhein 32 secs ago

Ælis

@chumpbot fp

chumpbot

Marked this comment as not flag-worthy (fp). Currently marked 0tps/1fps

Belle

@Ælis This is true. A sleep in test code isn't good practice, but it's much better than a sleep in production code :)

And even better than spending days on chasing an elusive bug that no one ever noticed

avazula

11:56

Remote day today!

Ælis

Oh, that's nice!

avazula

Seems like Fedora is done being angry at me for saving the mouse I prevented her from killing

I found a great technique involving a glass and a sheet of paper

I've already saved three mice with that technique

Introverted Meta Man

13:10

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Q: Is Enforcement of Backup Requirement in Answers Consistently Enforced?

First of all, I want to say that this question is not driven by bitterness on my part, but I know it might come across that way. I had an answer deleted about 5 months ago because it wasn't supported by personal experience or by an outside reference. Link to question where my answer was deleted...

discussion back-up

avazula

13:24

This got me thinking ... PSA: we could use some eyes on the review queues people! If you have some time :)

Ælis

@avazula Sorry, but the review queue is empty for me ^^ (maybe because I'm the one flagging all those answers :p )

avazula

I think so too :p

Ælis

@avazula It's a bit scary though, because I know I read far less question/answer than I use to

avazula

Yeah, activity seems to have dropped a bit lately ...

in community moderation at least

We lost a lot of valuable people let's not forget about that :/

that's the downside of volunteered-based communities ... you're not paid for that work so life gets in the way ... which is completely normal

Ælis

@avazula A lot? I didn't fell like something like this happen, but maybe I'm missing something?

avazula

13:33

@Ælis well, some people left (without warning us of their departure first) and some others haven't been very active lately

Ælis

Hum... It's true that people activity vary but isn't it how things are suppose to be? But yeah, if we don't have "new blood" to replace some of the old one who are leaving, then it's an issue

Mithical

I haven't really touched anything related to main site moderation in months...

Ælis

@Mithical Yeah but, apart from flagging comment, you weren't that active on IPS moderation, were you?

Mithical

I used to downvote, flag answers, and close vote a lot

Ælis

:/

Mithical

13:49

....as evidenced by me having cast the most downvotes on the site.... somehow that hasn't been broken yet.

Ælis

Wow, I casted a lot of them too! Oo

(I mean, you casted way more, but still!)

Also, big up to @EmC who casted so many, many votes!

Em C

15:03

@Ælis I'm so close to getting the electorate badge, but I keep voting on answers so I don't meet the percentage criteria :p

Belle

@EmC Oh, you're one of them answer-voters :P

Em C

@Belle I like to encourage following the answer guidelines ;D

Extroverted Main Man

15:17

-1

Q: Why is it that not every relationships led to marriage

I really want brief explanation on this topic, moreover I have had relationships that I thought would lead to marriage, but it did not went well, we went for a while and later on breakup.

relationships

avazula

@ExtrovertedMainMan ~~Because marriage is prison~~

scohe001

15:28

@avazula lol aren't you married, silly?

Em C

arf, I had a nice comment written to explain why I was close-voting, but forgot that casting the close vote refreshed the page

avazula

@scohe001 sssssh :p

Extroverted Main Man

15:57

1

Q: How to know when a conversation is over, and how to end it?

This happens to me a lot at work. I'm in a conversation with a coworker and I can't tell the difference between a pause/change topics and when the conversation is over. I'll frequently start walking away only to have my coworker keep going with a related but different topic - I clearly misread ...

conversations

Em C

@ExtrovertedMainMan .. I too would like to know this

scohe001

That's definitely something that happens at work to me often

Ælis

16:25

@EmC Well, if you want to upvote some questions, I know a user who usually posts good ones. I think you know them. Their name starts with this weird "Æ" letter and ends with an "s" :p

Em C

@Ælis if only I knew how to type "ae", then I could search for them :p

that'd be targeted upvoting though ;)

Ælis

I was mostly kidding :p

avazula

"mostly"

Ælis

Exactly :p

scohe001

Caught the boy in his morning stretch:

6

Remember, you should always get a good stretch in before you ~~go scouring the house for bits of dropped food~~ start cleaning the floor

ElizB

16:45

hehehe so cute

Ælis

French firefighter did what??? Oo

instagram.com/p/B78X0Agg4Jf

Arf, no one-boxing :(

El'endia Starman

:O

ElizB

wut :O

Ælis

Here the article: metro.co.uk/2020/01/28/…

It's kind of funny seeing how the police tried to gas them. I mean, they are firefighters. Their job is literally to keep going while dealing with such "small unpleasantness"

chumpbot

18:40

Thank you for providing backup :) — Belle 1 min ago

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ankii

20:00

A site (where I want to work) is under DoS attack and I can't browse the patch review :(

@scohe001 that's a lovely bed.. I need one now

Links please

scohe001

Haha our little dude loves to burrow, so it's the perfect little place for him to feel snuggly

@ankii we found it here: amazon.com/gp/product/B00W4YQV3U

ankii

Do they make 170x40 version?

scohe001

Lol we're actually going to be looking for a bigger one pretty soon too! Finley's starting to chunk up. I don't think that company does, but if we find something we like, I'll give you a ping ;)

I'd probably start by searching something like "Dog cave bed"

ankii

20:16

170 is my height

Extroverted Main Man

-1

Q: Calling someone "hubba hubba"

What does it mean when a guy calls me "hubba hubba" even before he sees my picture?

online-interaction romance flirting

El'endia Starman

hahahaha oh dear

chumpbot

Maybe they think you're a marsupilami? Or that you may stick to them like an old gum? Who knows?... Joke aside, please give us more information, because as it stands, your question is too broad, unclear or opinion-based. Please take the tour ans read How to Ask. And welcome to IPS ;) — OldPadawan 54 secs ago

#24035 OldPadawan (18386 rep) | Q: Calling someone "hubba hubba" (score: -1) | posted 25 minutes ago by cliched (1 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

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scohe001

20:54

I've been stuck in a terminal all day and I just came back to my computer after getting up and tried to tab to autocomplete my password to unlock it. If only :(

chumpbot

21:36

Post is currently hot! With 10 comments in the last 3 hours: Calling someone "hubba hubba"

brug

21:52

This is a test: Interpersonal Skills Meta

scohe001

@brug fyi I usually use the sandbox chat (chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/1) for testing stuff (not that there's a problem with trying things here)

brug

@scohe001 hmm it doesn't work there...

maybe because it isn't a site specific chat and the link is site specific

scohe001

Oh yea I don't think that one's linked to a specific site

brug

Interpersonal Skills from [main] and Interpersonal Skills Meta from [meta]

ankii

@scohe001 I wish an RO was this nice in another room which I tried to keep active using a null char

</rant>

this small a rant is a shame

brug

22:07

@ankii Then go off about something else. I'm here to listen.

(partially. I'm about to sit down to dinner.)

Extroverted Main Man

22:23

0

Q: How do I turn an acquaintance into a friend?

This is probably the most embarrassing and stupid sounding question I’ve ever asked in my life; but it’s unfortunately one without whose answer I’m stuck. Before I start with my story, I’d just like to say that this is going to sound really weird and on some level, pathetic sounding, but I’d appr...

friends acquaintances students

Em C

I have a rant! I've been trying to do UI changes all day, and now that they're finally kind of working, I have discovered that the dimensions I was given to implement are wrong. ARGH

scohe001

Oof. UI changes are a great way to ruin your day :/

If only every user could use a terminal :p

Em C

I left a comment on the doc hours ago and the UI person has not gotten back to me yet... there's also some cases that aren't covered... and I'm not sure he's thought yet about accessibility requirements, or different display sizes that users could have...

I actually kind of like UI work! just ... not when I am given obviously wrong requirements

chumpbot

Maybe this should be more for the The Workplace community. Provided you add more details to your post. — Henry WH Hack v2.1.3 1 min ago

#24037 Henry WH Hack v2.1.3 (101 rep) | Q: Job interview question (score: -1) | posted 11 minutes ago by Barbara Carey (1 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | tps/fps: 0/0

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Extroverted Main Man

22:43

-1

Q: Job interview question

I would like to know how to ask a person we are doing the interview to be hired in our company if they are a smoker or not? I know legally I am not allowed to ask.

smoking-vaping

Em C

@ExtrovertedMainMan :///////

"legally I can't ask, but how can I ask"??

chumpbot

23:23

@OldPadawan I am one of those people you mention that give this answer with no intention of attending, purely because organizers tend to pry into "why not?" and I would rather avoid the conflict. If I know someone won't whine about it, I'll give them a straight answer. I like to leave the ambiguous answers for those who don't take "I said no" as a valid answer. — mascoj 20 secs ago

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ankii

@EmC I am trying to get into UI of an app rn

coz I don't know any details of the vast amount of tools it uses

Em C

@ankii oh fun! iOS or Android? ;)

ankii

Mac linux and windows

only if Catalina keeps supporting opengl

Em C

oh that kind of app :p

ankii

or the devs decide to use "Metal"

.app is all macOS has

unless it's .exe and I use wine

so do you design or do you code?

Em C

23:28

I do the coding

there's a a couple dedicated UX people for this project

ankii

UX people for us is users directly lol

Em C

haha

ankii

But the devs sometimes use it, so there's that

I need to learn using it too

My dog(pupy) is not putting its front paw while walking

I know she got into a fight, but is it a fracture idk

Em C

oh no :(

ankii

Guess I'd take her to a vet after giving her a bath, or I won't be able to do it in case there's a plaster

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