The Awkward Silence

bruglesco

00:43

Hi all

ankii

@bruglesco o/

How are you?

bruglesco

@ankii o/

good

Extroverted Main Man

02:56

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Q: Trying to be patient without setting unhealthy norms in a relationship

I have been seeing someone for about 6 months. I am 27 year old male living in the US and they are a 20 year old female that came to the US with her siblings about 2 years ago from South America to escape a bad political situation in her country of origin. Initially, I likely would have deemed ...

relationships

avazula

05:22

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Extroverted Main Man

06:18

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Q: Relationship that already had problems girlfriend then girlfriend has sudden death in family

I have been with my girlfriend almost one year, before we got together I was dating two girls and she seemed like the more compatible choice as we are both chilled people. So as the relationship went on the chill person I liked began to seem cold to me, during the week we barely speak as she says...

united-kingdom misunderstandings verbal-communication

CaldeiraG

06:52

o/

Morning since the bot didn't reply back :p

Imus

\o

avazula

seems that @Pseudohuman isn't around

Imus

he couldn't handle all my mansplaining and left us :(

:p

or should that be "it"?

avazula

That's a bot so yes, "it" it is

Imus

"Learn to handle heat. This was the lamest excuse ever. Fix your clothing or something" such a constructive comment :)

Their only question on IPS: "Being angry at people for no good reason [closed]" coincidence? :o

Ælis

07:00

@ankii It was done on purpose (scohe was wondering too and asked Tink about it)

avazula

@Imus that was rude. Gone.

Imus

I didn't even mind the rudeness persé, just so helpful XD

I'll get right on that, now can someone point me to some good sources on learning to handle heat? :D

Ælis

"Move further north in Europe. It will reduce the times you are exposed to catcalling and other similar behaviours too" -> yep, things will definitively get easier if there was no human around x)

avazula

@Ælis gone too

Ælis

@avazula I know, but it still made me laught :p

Imus

07:05

Saw that too XD same user I think :p

he's on a roll today

avazula

@Imus @Ælis please let me know if they go on with such comments

Ælis

@avazula I'll try, but I habe to prepare for work now, so I won't be around for the next 2 hours or so

IPS Comment Bot

@Ælis I'm not the answerer, but I would think this answer is valid for any gender, and also saying it to any gender — Ivo Beckers 13 secs ago

#22966 Ivo Beckers (111 rep) | A: How to ask a man to not take up more than one seat on public transport while avoiding conflict? (score: 23) | posted 19 hours ago by Hugo Zink (344 rep) | edited 11 hours ago by Tinkeringbell (24592 rep) | Toxicity 0.2896841 | tps/fps: 0/0

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avazula

@IPSCommentBot tp

IPS Comment Bot

Marked this comment as caught correctly (tp). Currently marked 1tps/0fps. beep boop My human overlords won't let me flag that, so you'll have to do it yourself.

Tinkeringbell

07:39

@ankii Scroll up a little, I explained that to scohe too: I just gave a general transcript link as there was no one good message to link to :)

Hugo Zink

08:01

I was about to ask why my answer was edited, but I saw the edit comment and saw that the question also had the offending term removed. Fair enough.

Tinkeringbell

@HugoZink Hi :)

Hugo Zink

Hey

Tinkeringbell

Yeah, that question had some work done... And people are still doing a lot of chatting there, I see ;)

But... your answer there looks pretty undeleted to me? interpersonal.stackexchange.com/a/22966/1599

Oh... you said edited XD

Sorry :P

Haven't had my coffee yet.

Yeah, I hope you don't mind. We took the term out of the question, so I went over the answers there to take it out of those too.

Imus

hi think :) Thanks for removing exactly the part from my answer that I planned to remove if the question got the term taken out :)

Hugo Zink

Same lol, it's 10 AM and no coffee. Risky

Yeah that's fair, if the term is taken out of the question, that part of the answer doesn't make sense either

Imus

08:07

One side effect was that my answer looked more negative than intended now that the question is focused more on the "invading personal space" instead of just "spreading your legs as a man". Hope my update makes it clear I was thinking from a little less exagerated situation :)

looks like comments under my answer could use some cleaning up ...

Tinkeringbell

All gone :)

Imus

I do love just how helpful some comments are. Like this one now: "This is just an excuse. You could just stand up and not bother people with your groin issues". If you replace "groin issues" with "personal issues", isn't that equally invalid of an argument? :p

Hugo Zink

A bit of personal experience, I'm a 6'5 guy (194 cm in normal units), and in some bus layouts the leg room is so small that I am forced to spread my legs because otherwise they physically won't fit

Standing up is very uncomfortable for me as well, I have impaired motor skills and the bus driving around can get me off balance really quickly

I don't think I ever got dirty looks for it though

Imus

if they can see you physically cannot close your legs, it's different

Also the reason why my possible seating spaces are limited, because I avoid those where I can't sit normally because there's too little room for my legs ...

Hugo Zink

In some buses there are seats with lots of leg room that are "undesirable" because they're either harder to reach or they're facing backwards, I always go for those first

I get really hot in the summer too so I feel you

I'm always sweating when others seem perfectly fine

Imus

08:19

as a wise man commented on my answer today: "Learn to handle heat. This was the lamest excuse ever. Fix your clothing or something"

I'm still laughing about that one XD

Hugo Zink

I would, but sadly office dress codes require long-sleeved shirts and long pants for men :P

I'm also still hot in shorts and a t-shirt

Imus

I'm so glad we're allowed to wear shorts! It helps slightly :)

@HugoZink If you understand dutch: standaard.be/cnt/dmf20170621_02934799

or if you don't: Bus drivers have a fixed uniform, out of protest during heat wave, the male drivers wore the skirts of the female uniforms :)

Hugo Zink

Oh yeah I read that a while back

Lol

And yeah I'm Dutch

Good on them for taking action. I think British students did the same thing a few years ago, the boys all started wearing skirts in the summer heat because that wasn't against dress code (but shorts were)

IPS Comment Bot

08:43

@CrashBandicoot "and you would be happy to support her" Same could be said the other way around. If she was serious she wouldn't let OP pay for everything on his own. — Hugo Zink 1 min ago

JAD

@Imus public nudity is possibly less accepted than taking too much space in public transport

Mithrandir

What is it about this place that attracts Dutch people? Like moths to a light. *thinking face*

Imus

Usually it's not that there are statistically more Dutch people than any other. What's different is that Dutch people are usually the most talkative so you'll always notice them :p

JAD

@Mithrandir obviously us Dutchies are experts at Interpersonal Skills

Imus

@JAD I wonder if you inclue the Flamish in Belgium in those "Dutchies" :)

JAD

08:53

of course

it helps you guys ease in to the upcoming annexation ;)

Imus

Now I'm not sure if I should be happy to feel included, or mad cause you're bunching us up with those silly cheese-heads :p

(quick note for those who don't know me well enough: if I end my scentence with a ":p" it's meant as a joke. No offence intended, and most likely non take from people familiar with our culture)

JAD

@Imus eh, you'll still be allowed to do carnaval with the brabos en limbos

honestly, the easiest way to check whether someone identifies as Dutch, is to ask them for their stance on Zwarte Piet. If they respond with "what?" they're not Dutch, if they have an opinion, they are.

Imus

if the answer is "who cares?", does that imply they're not from the Netherlands?

JAD

yep

Imus

XD

From what I've seen, the reception on the "taking offence calling them Zwarte" in Belgium was: Why?

Tinkeringbell

08:59

@JAD I do love how this includes all those people that are against Black Pete, that are usually called 'not-real-Dutchies' by the people that are pro Black Pete... :P

JAD

As a Dutchie, you are expected to have an opinion, and to voice that opinion loudly from the moment kruidnoten hit the stores (start of August) to the moment easter-eggs hit the stores (start of January)

@Imus I don't think the name is the source of the issues people have

Imus

That does sound like a true Dutchie, yes

@JAD wait, then what is?

just the fact that you have something to shout about?

Tinkeringbell

@Imus Nope, it's the black facepaint

Mainly. But also the stereotype of 'helper', and being a bit dumb. The bright red lips/earrings...

CaldeiraG

https://interpersonal.stackexchange.com/a/22977/12962

This is mad and makes no sense, I don't care about what you're reading XD

Imus

it's supposed to represent the "roet" from the chimneys ... it's been that way for .. well forever

Tinkeringbell

09:02

@Imus Yep. But now people get angry if asked to make it look more like soot, instead of blackface :P

Imus

@Tinkeringbell at least that scentence makes some sense :p

Tinkeringbell

:)

Jasper van Looij

i made my name Dutch as well. =P

Imus

09:55

rewritten most of my answer. Someone wants to check if it's better now? :)

IPS Comment Bot

10:38

@moooeeeep for a tall person like me, sitting that way would take even more space than spreading my knees apart. Either my knee would be completely on top of the person's leg next to me, or if I keep my knee "within my own spot" my foot would be sticking into the other person's belly ... definately not a good idea. Note that for OP sitting like that would not help either, since I would be perfectly comfortable with a woman putting her knee on top of my legs if I can spread underneeth, whereas she would still have personal space shortage ... even worse than before. — Imus 40 secs ago

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Rainbacon

11:43

@Imus it looks really good. I wish I could upvote it again

Imus

thanks :)

CaldeiraG

12:00

@Imus I like it :p, I upvoted it back then and I would upvote it now too :)

Imus

Thing is that it's getting roughly 1 downvote for every 2 upvotes ...

ThZ

Hello

@Imus I downvoted it -> (maybe women too?)

I'm using the same public transports, and I can say that I, most of the time, old people, people with child, and women in general are taking most of the time the seats

saying "maybe" is just too much oriented to me

but hey, male tears right? funny from people "defending" their own sensibility

Ælis

12:18

@Imus I didn't vote on it, but I can see why people would. You are basically implying that you have the right to take more space because of your genitals. Some people probably don't like that

ThZ

I use to love this place so much, spend so much time reading, and sometime answering

Imus

Thz, sorry but I don't really understand what you're trying to say

Ælis

@ThZ As a woman in public transport, I rather be sitted. I don't want some random man getting behind me and sexually touching. I know lots of women sit for that reason too.

JAD

@ThZ This comes across as rather toxic. Please don't.

Tinkeringbell

12:34

@Ælis Is groping really that much of a problem on public transport in Paris? :/ I'm glad I survived my metro rides there then!

Ælis

@Tinkeringbell I don't know, I always sit :p But I know I was afraid of that in my previous city too (much smaller than Paris, but still big). Maybe it's not that much of an issue, but women are afraid of then non-the-less?

Tinkeringbell

@Ælis Oh, perhaps. Though I'm more afraid of me bumping into people and grabbing them than people bumping into me :P I'm usually the one that's unsteady on their legs when standing ;)

Ælis

Oh yeah, I'm unsteady too and I always hurt a lot of people when I stand up to go out of the metro x)

Tinkeringbell

I hate it worst when there's like a seat for 4, 2 facing the other 2, and I'm near the window... and the other people aren't getting off :P

JAD

honestly, I can't imagine many people like to stand on public transport

Tinkeringbell

12:39

@JAD True.

Or there wouldn't be so many complaints to NS twitter ;)

Ælis

"NS"?

JAD

Dutch SNCF

Imus

@JAD If it's for under half an hour I actually DO prefer to stand ... since I'm too tall to fit most seats

for more than half an hour it gets tiresome so I like to sit half the ride if possible in one of the seats with more leg room

like the 4 seat tink talks about

or the 2 (or 4) seats just behind the doors, since those don't have other seats in front of them

JAD

Hmm, Dutch trains tend to have enough leg room for me to sit (1.90m)

so I'd rather just sit

Imus

trains are no problem

busses ... urgh

JAD

12:41

although when it's only one stop, I used to stand, because sitting would make me start reading a book, which would make me miss the stop

Imus

note, on trains there's usually also plenty of room towards the middle aisle to spread legs and not disturb people :)

JAD

Busses are eh yeah, but standing in a bus sucks worse imo

Rainbacon

@Imus I take a less than optimal route to work because it uses a bus route where I always get a seat rather than one where I never do

JAD

@Rainbacon same, I have two equidistant busstops from my house

both run every 15 mins

one is full, other isn't

Rainbacon

Same, but the one that's full goes to the express train stop, the one that isn't goes to the non-express train stop, so I end up on a train that takes longer

JAD

12:44

ah, these join routes right after the two respective stops, so the destination is the same

Rainbacon

It only becomes a problem when I travel with my wife. She prefers the bus that is more crowded because it runs on nicer roads and the other makes her car sick

JAD

but one is coming from inside the suburb, so has lots of commuter traffic, the other line is coming from another trainstation, so it has little traffic going towards the central station, because you might as well have taken the other direction

IPS Comment Bot

Has the irony of using the comments to point out how strict IPS is on using comments as intended, which is in itself a violation of the rules on comments that you linked to (When shouldn't I comment?: Discussion of community behavior or site policies; please use meta instead) been pointed out to you before @avazula? — RyanfaeScotland 1 min ago

#22964 RyanfaeScotland (925 rep) | Q: How to ask a man to not take up more than one seat on public transport while avoiding conflict? (score: 21) | posted 26 hours ago by Ælis (8648 rep) | edited 10 hours ago by Kate Gregory (34104 rep) | Toxicity 0.24423474 | tps/fps: 0/0

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Ælis

@IPSCommentBot tp

IPS Comment Bot

Marked this comment as caught correctly (tp). Currently marked 1tps/0fps. beep boop My human overlords won't let me flag that, so you'll have to do it yourself.

Ælis

12:48

@IPSCommentBot rude

IPS Comment Bot

Registered as rude. beep boop My human overlords won't let me flag that, so you'll have to do it yourself.

ankii

ah well I just cast the final vote on closing 2 questions

@Ælis you had comments on both of them

I left one on one too

Rainbacon

@IPSCommentBot rude

IPS Comment Bot

Registered as rude. beep boop My human overlords won't let me flag that, so you'll have to do it yourself.

Rainbacon

@ankii You invalidated my close vote review on one of them :(

ankii

12:51

@Rainbacon it was unclear, I think. And oops though

Ælis

@ankii That's because I'm everywhere :p

ankii

Xd

Also, before you add any questions, please avoid What should I do? (you must decide). Pardon if am wrong, didn't go through your post. And do mention the question as Ælis asked, if possible, separately in one paragraph. — ankii 4 mins ago

The one paragraph thing was the main reason for me. It's good for future references too if someone needs a summary of the post quickly

Just noticed, both have the same close voters (ofc in same order)

Rainbacon

@ankii No, I was going to vote to close it and it got closed by your vote while I was reading it

ankii

ohh I thought you voted leave open thus invalidated

Rainbacon

Nope

ankii

12:55

common reply to such situation is You beat me to it

Rainbacon

I clicked the close button and got a message that I couldn't do that because it had already been closed

ankii

Leave comments if any..

Mithrandir

13:14

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Imus

@Mithrandir probably for the best

Those damn dutchies and their big mouths. They just never know their boundries :p

(and yes, I know I'm currently included in that group)

Rainbacon

@Imus When are you not included in the group of "dutchies"?

Imus

@Rainbacon When we're talking about the differences between Belgium and Netherlands?

in that case "Dutchies" refers to the tall talkative bunch instead of me, a tall talkative ... oh nevermind :p

JAD

4 hours ago, by JAD

honestly, the easiest way to check whether someone identifies as Dutch, is to ask them for their stance on Zwarte Piet. If they respond with "what?" they're not Dutch, if they have an opinion, they are.

IPS Comment Bot

13:34

While you may be uncomfortable with men doing this, have you considered that it is more comfortable for them to do this? — Peter Paff 1 min ago

#22964 Peter Paff (101 rep) | Q: How to ask a man to not take up more than one seat on public transport while avoiding conflict? (score: 22) | posted 27 hours ago by Ælis (8653 rep) | edited 11 hours ago by Kate Gregory (34104 rep) | Toxicity 0.06893641 | tps/fps: 0/0

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scohe001

@IPSCommentBot eh, I don't really see how that would make this easier to answer or improve the question

Imus

@scohe001 it's a big part of the premise of my answer :p but no, not needed as comment or improvement

scohe001

So it looks like the US may be starting to work on their version of the GDPR... theregister.co.uk/2019/09/10/us_privacy_law

It's only a bummer that a lot of people are (rightfully) seeing it as a way to undermine the efforts of California state legislation to protect their users' privacy.

Rainbacon

@scohe001 So, they want to violate the 10th amendment?

Not too surprising I suppose since it's by far the most infringed upon amendment

Imus

for us non americans, what is the 10th amendment?

(too lazy so don't lmgtfy me!)

scohe001

13:45

I'm with @Imus on this one. I'm a bad American :p

JAD

Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution

The Tenth Amendment (Amendment X) to the United States Constitution, which is part of the Bill of Rights, was ratified on December 15, 1791. It expresses the principle of federalism and states' rights, which strictly supports the entire plan of the original Constitution for the United States of America, by stating that the federal government possesses only those powers delegated to it by the United States Constitution. All remaining powers are reserved for the states or the people. The amendment was proposed by the 1st United States Congress in 1789 during its first term following the adoption...

Rainbacon

Basically, the 10th amendment to the US Constitution says that anything which isn't explicitly stated in the constitution is up to individual states to regulate

If one were to take a hard line stance on it, then one would argue that most federal regulations are violations of the constitution

scohe001

Ahh gotcha. Yea that's what it sounds like

JAD

which means that there's probably some umbrella clause somewhere that is interpretable in a way that the feds can regulate those things

scohe001

I mean I'm not opposed to some federal-level legislation on privacy and data. It's just a bummer that the ones shaping it and helping write it will be exactly the people I want protection from :/

Imus

13:48

that's ... too hard for me to understand in under 5 minutes so I'm just going to let that pass by me as usual :)

already had enough issues complying with GDPR from a hospital side of view ...

so many rules

I mean, I get it though, but such a hastle to get it to conform everything

Can't even send a screenshot from a problem directly via Jira anymore ... how am I supposed to quickly fix issues found in another hospital using our system that way?

Also: for the Dutchies here, can someone translate the following sentence correctly: Gelukkig voor de Britse zanger wordt hen op zijn eigen platformen door oude en nieuwe fans bedolven onder de felicitaties en klinkt het dat zij een inspiratie is voor velen die net zo zijn als 'zij' en 'hen', (they/them).

taken from here

Cause it looks like the poster tried to translate a gender neutral english scentence to Dutch and failed miserably

Tinkeringbell

@Imus Nope, hen/zij are the Dutch nonbinary pronouns I know of too...

Imus

So it isn't just me ... it really doesn't work in dutch ... or they did it completely wrong

JAD

@Tinkeringbell looks jarring to me. Better use "het" to be safe

Imus

that's used for inanimate things ...

even worse :p

JAD

also, they still used zijn platformen

@Imus at least it's nonbinary ;)

Imus

13:55

they used "hen" "zijn" and "zij" mixed

which makes it impossible to tell if those are about the same person or not

Tinkeringbell

@Imus It'll probably take some getting used too, just like it takes getting used to they/them in English. It's just easier in English because it's not your native language :P

JAD

@Tinkeringbell plus, it was already part of the language

this is literally the first time I've seen hen used this way

I always thought it's a female chicken

Imus

I could get used to using "hen" instead of "zijn" for example. But not if it's a random mixture of zijn/haar/hen without knowing who those are refering to

@JAD hen/hun depending on dialect

Tinkeringbell

@Imus Yeah, I'd say the gender neutral word to indicate possesion of something would be 'hun', not 'zijn'.

JAD

@Imus I think it's more a stand-in for "hem" or "haar"

Imus

13:57

and yes, "hen" is also the word for a chicken

El'endia Starman

So, "their chicken" == "hen hen"? :P

JAD

@El'endiaStarman hun hen

Imus

^

Tinkeringbell

hennie heb een hen :P

Imus

hun hen hé eikes gelei

"to them" -> "aan hen"
"their" -> "hun"

JAD

14:00

hen is "those people" datif, hun is "those people" genitif. Ik heb tegen hen gezegd, dit boek is van hun, ik ga naar hen/hun? toe.

I'm not sure about the last one tbh

Imus

dit is hun boek / dit boek is van hen

ik ga naar hen toe

JAD

yep

Imus

at least that's how I would write it

JAD

agreed

Imus

not sure what the exact rule is ... it's just that that's what looks right to me XD

JAD

14:02

> TIP!

Verander het woord eens in 'mij' of 'mijn': mij = hen en mijn = hun
(maar deze vlieger gaat niet altijd op: zie 'Speciaal geval' hieronder).

Imus

Moar special cases!

JAD

> Je schrijft 'hun' bij een meewerkend voorwerp zonder voorzetsel.

Als er wel een voorzetsel voor staat, hoef je aan de woordvorm niet meer te zien dat het meewerkend voorwerp is. Dan schrijf je 'hen'. In het Nederlands zie je niet veel van dit soort naamvalafhankelijke woordvormen, maar in het Duits is dat heel gebruikelijk. Het woord verandert dan als een voorzetsel wordt weggelaten.

D:

Imus

@JAD I'm native dutch and still don't understand most of what this says :p

JAD

It maybe helps a bit to have had Latin to be familiar with naamvallen

Imus

Never had latin. Only barely passed Dutch and Frensh courses. Passed english mostly on skills (talking) to compensate for bad grammar

scohe001

14:16

Holy moly, just found your meta post @M.A.R. That thing is a monster. Awesome job, it was a great read

Rainbacon

@scohe001 link?

scohe001

37

Q: Common reasons why your meta post may be negatively received

This post functions as a complement to How can I participate in meta and not die trying? As you may already be aware, meta is one such grim place where disagreements happen. It just seems so customary to get at least one post that gets downvoted heavily every day, ranging from frustrated rants v...

discussion meta faq-proposed

Rainbacon

That's quite the read, it may take most of my spare seconds today to get through

scohe001

Lol I admit I did some hard skimming. But I really enjoy @M.'s writing

Imus

I don't think a couple of seconds would suffice

I know @M.A.R. only as a joker that knows when to step out of serious discussions to not interupt it, or interrupt serious rants to turn the chat light again

didn't expect this level of writing from them, although I should have :)

Rainbacon

15:19

Yep, that was a really good meta post

Well worth a few minutes of my time

Rainbacon

15:32

I'm intrigued that the "I'm voting to close this question" comment on Ælis post has 5 upvotes, but the question only has 2 close votes

scohe001

@Rainbacon probably people agreeing who don't have the rep to VTC

Rainbacon

That would be my guess as well

M.A.R.

17:10

@Rainbacon Flagging as dupe adds an upvote to the comment as well

Thanks for the kind words guys. Makes me explore this odd new feeling.

It's so . . . mystic. Probably dangerous.

Blood running through more shallow veins

I think, I might be turning into Hulk. Except the red one. The redneck. Literally.

Rainbacon

17:32

Shameless self plug -> I made a feature request on meta.se

avazula

@Rainbacon nice one

I'd love to have that

Extroverted Main Man

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Q: How to talk to coworker about loud outbursts

My desk at work is in a small room shared with two other coworkers, let's call them Alice and Bob. Alice is in general a loud and outspoken / opinionated person, but doesn't talk much to either of us and is only in the office sporadically, maybe half the time. What prompted this question: She wa...

conflict-aversion coworkers

scohe001

19:32

@Rainbacon Ahh you've included the freehand circles. Take my upvote. (also great suggestion)

Rainbacon

Oh thank you

I try to include at least one freehand circle in all my meta.se posts to ensure that I farm as much rep out of them as possible

scohe001

LOL smart man

ankii

19:45

@Rainbacon :( I suggested an edit with FHC, and earned only +2

Should have posted an answer with the edited image and its link in the question.

Rainbacon

Yep, you have to milk those. Also, be careful, when I drew the FHCs on my most recent post, my computer kept trying to autocorrect them to actual circles

ankii

yeah preview on Mac does so too

But I'm something of an artist myself

Rainbacon

I was using Mac preview to draw them

ankii

knowyourmeme.com/memes/im-something-of-a-scientist-myself

Rainbacon

That's what I get for having a laptop issued by my client

ankii

19:52

@Rainbacon what does this mean ^^'

scohe001

Just makes your FHC's all that much more heartfelt<3

Rainbacon

I work as a consultant. My current client gave me a computer to use for work, that computer is a Mac (I would not choose such a thing on my own)

ankii

haha that is both hilarious and ... well bad sounding to me

I like Macs

scohe001

That's....interesting. Is it better for the development you do or something?

ankii

@scohe001 naaah, just cool (totally inexperienced reply )

CaldeiraG

19:55

No mac's for me :( XD expensive stuff

scohe001

Oh sorry, was asking @Rain. I wouldn't have replied like that to you voicing interest, that would've been just rude :p

CaldeiraG

i don't want it anyways :P i like Windows and use Linux sometimes

ankii

@scohe001 I know.. I replied as a Mac-in-the-middle

@CaldeiraG Linux is great!

CaldeiraG

@Rainbacon Looks good, actually editing without leaving the main question is even a better request but that is too much to develop

@ankii It is, until you find problems and more problems XD drivers related mostly, after that, works flawlessy

ankii

@CaldeiraG yeah setup is tough it seems.. just an observation of people around me who switch from windows to linux

or dual boot

@scohe001 I thought Man-in-the-middle attack was enough..

Rainbacon

19:58

Well, this client has an iOS app, which is easier to do dev for on a mac. Even though I'm not working on the app, it's easier if every developer has the same setup

CaldeiraG

I had it in dual boot with Windows for a while until my pc was having some issues so I took it off, now I have a virtual machine with it

scohe001

@ankii huh that didn't ping me. That's weird...

...what'd you change?

ankii

I had replied to a deleted message eariler

scohe001

Ohhh. Makes more sense

CaldeiraG

@ankii Mainly because everytime you need to fix issues you gotta open the terminal

Not that bothers me but it has a long way to compete against Windows

ankii

20:00

that thing(terminal ) was scary for years for me..

scohe001

@Rainbacon that's...even more interesting. In my experience, usually the quirky mobile team gets the macs and they get siloed in a corner somewhere where no other dev can catch their mac disease

CaldeiraG

@ankii Edit was essential here :p

Basically you need to know what are you running

ankii

@Rainbacon so do you feel lack of storage space? a lot of Apple users can feel the pain

CaldeiraG

you could install malware without even knowing just because the command was on a website (low chances but can happen)

@ankii and iPhones users

@Rainbacon Well that is good, way better to build a iOS app on mac

Rainbacon

@ankii I haven't yet

ankii

20:02

I've been living in less than 15 GB free for over 10 months now

@CaldeiraG is it possible otherwise?

CaldeiraG

@ankii Probably but idk

ankii

@CaldeiraG I can do that.. installing the malware. I copy paste a lot of commands ^^'

CaldeiraG

@ankii Same (shame on us)

ankii

I'd say no.. Xcode ships simulators etc and Apple developer programme is there too..

well we'd be safe if @scohe001 could proof read all of them ;)

scohe001

What'd I do now?

Also, now that Swift is open source, I believe iOS dev is possible anwywhere. I'm just not sure whether or not you could sign the code without Xcode...

ankii

20:05

@scohe001 we "copy paste a lot of commands".. so ahem.. could you proofread them .. like every command xd ?

CaldeiraG

@ankii You're right :p but there must be a way to do it on another OS

There are now platforms to build both apps at the same time, don't ask me more though XD

Rainbacon

@CaldeiraG not necessarily. Apple is not a big fan of people using products that aren't theirs

scohe001

Huh, looks like it is possible actually. And you can even do code signing: blog.codemagic.io/…

@ankii lol psh. Just take them one by one and read the man pages silly. How do you think I learned what they all mean?

CaldeiraG

@Rainbacon You wouldn't build UWP apps on Mac so yeah, you're right

@scohe001 Yeah, using Flutter

ankii

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/… Complementing Rain's statement

CaldeiraG

20:09

@ankii Proof-reading? nah XD do you want to spend more time reading docs :p

ankii

specifically the Block I linked. It's about F.lux and night shift

Upper_Case

I'm no Apple fan, but those critiques sound bog-standard for any company anywhere near Apple's size

CaldeiraG

After reading the documentation you wouldn't need to copy paste

ankii

@Upper_Case yeah.. but this night shift and Spotify thing really gets me

Okay.. just found out that CMD+shift+M on selected text opens it man page(if it exists). So It would be easy to learn things

CaldeiraG

Honestly, Apple is now putting their money on services, those are the real cash

I'm not biting in any services or stuff, you can't pay that many subscriptions for little things

ankii

20:14

that's where the bundling and ecosystem kicks in..

well I have an exam in 7 hours.. I should be studying

Bye!

CaldeiraG

Bye :D good luck :p

ankii

thanks :p

M.A.R.

20:27

Lye :D good buck :p

Another exam? No wonder you've been so grumpy lately.

user586228

20:55

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scohe001

Hey @user586228! We have a feed that will post a link to your question here pretty soon :)

Rainbacon

@IPSCommentBot Quite beyond rude actually

IPS Comment Bot

@Rainbacon That's what I've been saying for $(AGE_OF_BOT)!

Rainbacon

@IPSCommentBot Hmm, are you ok there?

scohe001

Yea that one got a bigotry/harassment flag from me

I only give maybe one of those a year O_o

Extroverted Main Man

20:59

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Q: My rentee has closed his shop for more than five years.How do I negotiate with him to get the shop back

I am a landlord from Kolkata,India.Out of the many places that I have rented,one shop has been closed down for over five years,however the person still loiters nearby.I would like to know how to negotiate with the person to get the place that belongs to me.In general it is not worthwhile to go by...

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Rainbacon

I think I've given 2 of them just on this question

scohe001

@Rainbacon lol I thought when you suggested that, you wanted the string literal "$(AGE_OF_BOT)"

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