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2:06 PM

@Tinkeringbell Why not, apparently (according to SE) that is responsible conduct worthy of attention?

(I am joking right now, just letting out some frustration)

When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade.
Get angry! demand that life take those lemons back! ask to speak to life's manager!
have your engineers invent a combustible lemon to burn life's house down!
make life rue the day it gave you lemons!

to lighten the mood a bit :)

Portal 2 - I'm in space!

Space! Space!

^ one of my favorite portal 2 parts :)))

Hey lady

@EmC <3

2:20 PM

spaaaaaceee :D

@EmC So cute *-*

@Magisch If you want to be completely salty, you could make a question on MSE asking for the preferred way of bringing things to SE's attention, and then self answer pointing to twitter

(not recommended btw)

Journeyman Geek

there's a question already

Answer it!!!!! Do iiiiiiit!! -not really-

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2:25 PM

Ahah XD

@JAD How to completly poison any future dialogue with the cm team 101

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@Magisch wasn't that what you were (jokingly) looking for?

BTW I wasn't advising you to do it, just sharing a nice meme

@avazula squints is that the character in your avatar?

@JAD In the spirit of things, yea

I was just venting some frustration in a way that hopefully won't incite further

2:28 PM

@EmC No, it's an actual picture of her! (aside from joke, yes it is)

(the character is a demon)

haha, it's pretty cute for a demon :P

@EmC Just like me :D

I'm gonna go home, away from colleagues, and take a nice relaxing bath.

Cya o/

@Belle-Sophie o/

See you :)

2:30 PM

@Magisch hmm, won't incite further... that's gonna be tricky

2:49 PM

@Noon Everytime I see your avatar I smile and I'm like "I don't deserve this"

Whoa I didn't even realize it was your drawing until I clicked it...it looks so good!

When did you finish coloring it?!

@avazula Well then, I will make sure that you see it often :D Also, everytime I saw your drawing I smile and think "I don't deserve it" so, I think we are equal :P (I have printed tree version of it and I'm gonna pinded one in my room)

@scohe001 Here for the complete drawing

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@Noon ahh I just realized it's already in the starred list. I should've known to look there first, Avazula's stuff always gets starred (for good reason!) :p

Extroverted Main Man

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Q: How to politely ask a band member to stop being late/ditching last minute?

So I am in a band consisting of 5 people, 2 guitarists, drummer, bassist and a vocalist (might be worth mentioning both guitarists are brothers and only tend to see each other at practice). Due to the style of music we play we pretty much need everyone there to practice. we meet up twice a week ...

friends united-kingdom friend-groups music

@scohe001 That also I don't deserve xD

Was weird to see so many stars this morning

2:55 PM

@scohe001 Yeah, this morning the list was all avazula drawing :D

@Noon haha no surprise there. She's been holding out on us. Who knew she was this good all along!

@scohe001 I actually never thought myself I was good, so ... :p

@avazula hmm this is maybe more intrapersonal advice, but lying to yourself is never good :p

@scohe001 Erh :p

I'm very demanding toward myself

Haha I'm teasing but I feel like all of my friends who do some kind of art stuff just assume that they're mediocre

It's hard to watch them feel that way when they create so much beautiful amazing stuff!

But I guess you need that feeling to get better?

3:08 PM

@scohe001 I don't know... I never felt otherwise, so :p

But I'm starting to realize I should pursue. I used to draw everyday from, like, 3 to 19 y.o., then I stopped during my studies and now I feel stupid and talentless when I draw ("I lost all my skills" and stuff) but I realize how good it makes me feel just to draw so, I should go on :)

Journeyman Geek

lol

something I tell my arty friends

"Draw for you"

and you get better with practice

@avazula well I hope you know that compared to my rendition of Noon with what looks like something closer to a dysfunctional palm tree, yours looks incredible:

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@scohe001 OMG XD

LOL I tried :P

@scohe001 Well, at least it's really issue to understand this drawing :P

@scohe001 (I draw a lot of stickmen myself, so I'm not really in position to criticize ^^ )

3:25 PM

@Noon haha stick figures are all I can draw!

@scohe001 that's actually a very good start! One should draw this before thickening the arms and stuff :p

@avazula lol you're too sweet<3

@scohe001 I use to draw whole stories with stick figures. No I don't use them that often anymore but my drawing still is still very minimalist (most of the time it's on purpuse)

@scohe001 but that's true :D

@Noon We should do a comic book together! You write, I draw o/

@Noon you draw too?!?! Do you have anything you can show??

3:30 PM

@avazula Well, I would absolutly love that but even if you don't want to draw for my stories, if you want to read some of them, I can share them with you

@Noon o_o feels special

@scohe001 I mostly draw about my anxiety but let me go take a picture so that I can show you about other stuff that I have draw in the past

@avazula Well, you are special :D

@Noon yes please!!

For a start, I have this one who already was on my computer

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(The other one are going to take more time to come)

@Noon daaaaang that's super creative! I love the lights attached to the town/rock on the right. I can just imagine it fully colored and shaded--that would look amazing.

3:39 PM

@Noon I drew comics only once ; it appeared to be a rerun of Ape's Planet (while I didn't know that movie haha)

I had no idea this room had so many crazy creative people!

Between Tink's fuzzy things and the two of you's awesome drawings, we could start up a shop :p

Sorry, I just had a phone call telling me that the job I wanted was mine \o/ (but I still have to start negotiation now)

@Noon CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!

@scohe001 Thanks :D

El'endia Starman

3:58 PM

@Noon Congrats!

4:09 PM

@Noon YAY! CONGRATS !

@Noon +1 congrats :D

@Noon Nice, congratulations!

@EmC tp

@scohe001 D:

Matched regex(es) ["+1"]

4:18 PM

Thank you all :D

@avazula Well, as we say "great mind think alike" :D Also, when I say that I draw stories, It's usualy just on big scene with simplistic character but with a lot of things going on which forme some kind of stories (so not realy a comic)

Also, the rest of the drawing are coming in!

Well, it's too heavy, I have to do something about that first ><

@Noon upload to imgur first?

It's taking some time but here goes one of them. It also several city in a fictional word

postimg.cc/ZCsQGtHn

This second one represent "the world of death":

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@Noon ooh I really really love the floating islands, you have some super cool ideas!!

And this one is a representation of my brain:

i.postimg.cc/Qth729BB/P1030094.jpg)](https://postimg.cc/…

@scohe001 Thanks *blushing*

@Noon hahaha I can't stop looking at the shark mermaid, I love him! :D what does Folie mean?

4:30 PM

@scohe001 It means "madeness"

@Noon ooh dark. I like it. The more I look the more cool stuff there is! I really like the man sitting beneath the tree for some reason

@scohe001 It's a shame that you can't see the 4k version though :/ The man beneath the tree is a representation of loneliness and how you are not really lonely when you are lost in your thought

@scohe001 The shark mermaid is more about non-sense. The "Antre de la Folie" part is about the door that beneath

@Noon hmm I wonder if that means I resonate with the loneliness and nonsense. Probably not too far from the truth :p

I also just noticed that cloud spitting math equations at the girl walking away. Is that you ignoring your logical side?

4:46 PM

@scohe001 Ahah :P Also, the girl "walking away" (she actually isn't) is my little sister, I draw her like the "little Red Riding Hood". For the math equation, well, let's say that I was doing a lot of math at the time and that I didn't alway enjoy doing it :P

5:10 PM

@Noon haha I wasn’t even close :P it’s an awesome piece tho!!

5:43 PM

@scohe001 Thank you :D And, in my opinion, the nice part about drawing is that you can see whatever you want in it. You don't have to respect "what the autor means"

6:36 PM

@IPSCommentBot tp

@Noon Congratulations!!

@ElizB Thanks :D

i just arrived home from counseling with my dad and it went alright. there were definitely underlying feelings of stuff and he made some assumptions I attempted to tackle but we basically have some semblance of groundwork going forward

Do you feel relieved now that it's done?

@Noon sorta.

like i'm happy but my dad still feels like I need the most work, not him... he won't take the suggestion of doing counseling now... he said he's gone to enough counseling in the past

what he needs is family counseling and i feel like he still has work to do but it makes sense. If i do it once a month thats fine but thats all i'm willing to do... for now.

i also am proud of myself for mentioning that how he treats other people affects me too

I have more insight that he is the "instant scapegoat" in everyone's mind

where he's not... he just feels like he is because there is alot of shame in writing up divorce papers...

6:48 PM

@ElizB Make sure to take care of yourself, I imagine that dealing with this kind of stuff isn't easy

@ElizB You have reason to be proud. I know how hard it can be to tell something to someone

@Noon thank you, i am having tea and some cold relief meds in the form of alka-seltzer... my sinuses are so plugged right now.... oi.

@Noon Especially an implicit narcissist

@ElizB I don't think I have ever deal with a narcissist but I surely believe you when you say it makes things even worse

@Noon They're behaved in front of a counselor but without one... bets are off :P

@ElizB I guest it's kind of like childrens who behave in front of an adulte but can become really mean when no one is there to watch

@Noon yeah exactly

but in this case it's a 50 year old child

6:57 PM

@ElizB Yeah, I'm sorry you have to deal with a father like that :/

(shrugs) it is what it is.

Well, I suppose it is indeed ^^

:) all i care about right now is passing statistics and relieving my poor head and sinuses

@ElizB When is your statistics exam?

@ElizB speaking of, did you ever get that R working?

R would actually probably go pretty well with your T right now :p

7:01 PM

@Noon oh, it was supposed to be tuesday but now she postponed it to thursday

@scohe001 R <3

@scohe001 ahahahaa yeah. The next R homework is due the 30th so I have some time

got me into programming

@JAD really? I don't think I've known anyone to have R as a first language...how'd you start there?

El'endia Starman

@JAD Assuming you've learned at least one language since then, how does it compare?

7:02 PM

@ElizB ahh then you're chillin

@ElizB Hopefully, you will be heal by then :)

Statistics course during my biology study

@scohe001 yup lol focusing on other stuff

El'endia Starman

@scohe001 Yeah, that surprised me too. Learning a bit of R after a decade of more conventional programming languages means that it feels a bit weird.

@Noon yeah, i'm hoping my cold will go away by the weekend

7:03 PM

@El'endiaStarman Since then I've learnt python, an introduction to C++ (very basic) and now I work with C# alot

C* and R are beyond comparison imo

compiled strictly typed vs interpreted whatever typed

@JAD ha that's funny, my SO had to do some R for a stats class during their bio study and that was my only experience with it :P

@El'endiaStarman I can attest to that. It reminds me of Python, it's like anything goes with syntax and typing

hmm, we ended up using it a lot during my statistics master

@ElizB Finger crossed then :D

@scohe001 yeah, PY and R are very popular for stats and ML stuff

it's an eternal debate, like (insert contentious topic here)

@Noon lots of T and sleep

El'endia Starman

7:05 PM

@scohe001 That's funny. My main language is Python and I think that has actually made me stumble a bit with R. I think Python has a somewhat more sensible, um, "style"?

@El'endiaStarman it's close, but not too close

small syntax differences...

@El'endiaStarman yea Python definitely has more syntax. Maybe R is closer to Bash than Python

also, classes work much differently in R

@JAD R is OOP?!

this is news to me

uuuuuh

yeah

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kinda

sorta

it's possible

but very very wordy

I've never seen an R program longer than 150 lines. I figured it was all just quick little script stuff

look up S4 classes

Is it like Matlab classes? O_O

idk matlab

so either you have S3 classes ( which is what most stuff in R is)

which you make like so: class(object) <- "whatever"

contratulations, you just made an object of class whatever

and then there is a bunch of generic functions that you can make specific, like summary, print, plot, by defining a function called summary.whatever, print.whatever, plot.whatever, etc

7:12 PM

I understand some of these words

and I'm a software developer

hehe

And then there are S4 classes, which are much more alike other language's OOP classes, but sooooooooo ugly to write: cyclismo.org/tutorial/R/s4Classes.html

El'endia Starman

R devs really need a lesson in good code style. What is up with that indentation?!?

uh yeah

don't look at that

but even properly indented, it's awfully wordy for what it's trying to accomplish

El'endia Starman

Yeah, not very DRY either.

uuuuuh no

the whole setGeneric setMethod thing is awful imo

from what I can tell from that tutorial, the setGeneric makes it so that all methods with the same signature from any classes share a declaration, and have an implementation specific to their class

it's because the methods aren't invoked like object.method(args), but rather method(object, args), and then inside the function call is dispatched to the correct method

El'endia Starman

7:30 PM

That's actually how Python does it behind the scenes; they just made the former syntax effectively an alias for the latter.

One of the things that irked me about R when I was helping ElizB was that given some table foo, you can get a column with foo['bar'] but it's not really a vector, and also x = 'bar'; foo[x] doesn't work so you have to do foo[[x]], which does return a vector IIRC.

foo$bar works to get the column vector

@JAD i.imgur.com/4zudOV5.jpg <- Writing OOP with that

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El'endia Starman

@JAD TIL. My familiarity with Python probably hindered me there.

honestly though, for dataframe stuff, I use the data.table package, it has a slightly different syntax, but it allows for stuff like foo[, bar] to get the vector, or foo[, .(bar)] to get the column in a single column table.

El'endia Starman

I did note how it was neat that it was easy to get a column or row with only a slight tweak in syntax.

7:37 PM

yeah, matrices are nice in R :P

another nice trick is the drop argument in []. By default it is true, which means that if you slice a matrix or array to something that can be of lower dimensionality, it'll downgrade it. but if you set it to false, it'll keep all dimensions

so m[, 1, drop = TRUE] produces a length N vector, while m[, 1, drop = FALSE] gives a 1xN matrix

El'endia Starman

That's neat.

Core Python doesn't have that kind of stuff although numpy surely does.

yeah, I was really struggling with python, until I found numpy

vectorised calculations <3

El'endia Starman

Vectorization of operations is indeed cool.

yeah, it's amazing how much better vectorized stuff is compared to for-loops

coming from there, to python threw me off a bit

and sparked my first question on SO/SE:

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Q: Efficiency of for loops in python3

I am currently learning Python (3), having mostly experience with R as main programming language. While in R for-loops have mostly the same functionality as in Python, I was taught to avoid using it for big operations and instead use apply, which is more efficient. My question is: how efficient ...

But hey, you can import antigravity in Python!

(sorry had to step out for a meeting)

7:50 PM

:D

It makes me ridiculously happy that they added that to the language

oh, I thought it was just an XKCD joke, or was it made afterwards?

If you have a terminal up, start the Python interpreter and run import antigravity ;)

@scohe001 I just tried it, I was not expecting that :D

what's supposed to happen? tio.run/##K6gsycjPM/7/PzO3IL@oRCExryQzvSixLLOk8v9/AA

(I don't have python installed atm)

7:58 PM

Errr it probably won't work with an online interpreter...it opens your default web browser and directs you to the xkcd comic

This online interpreter gets the closest: python.org/shell

@JAD Spoiler: it opens this page

Looks like its default is some kind of command line browser O_O

TL;DR do it at home in your own shell lol

@scohe001 or..... it opens the browser on the server of the online interpreter :O

@JAD haha those poor servers with a bunch of XKCD links left open

Okay @Mith, are you ready?

8:01 PM

anticipation builds

@avazula *anticipation builds*

@avazula (they may be asleep)

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Ehhh, I rotated that before sending it!

So, what do you think @Mith? Did I catch your IRL character a bit? :p

:O ...did you like check my accounts list before drawing that? xD That's awesome

Haha echad mi yodea? Is Pesach Mith's fav?

@Mithrandir not really, I just remembered from stuff we discussed along the way xD

8:08 PM

@scohe001 hang on you can read hebrew?

@Mithrandir my mom's a hebrew school teacher. She'd kick my butt if I couldn't :p

@Mithrandir 'gonna color it now. Are you okay with having blue skin?

absolutely fine

Great :D

skin color isn't something i get hung up on :P

8:11 PM

@scohe001 Oh, I didn't know this was hebrew! I thought it was some puzzle I wasn't able to solve because Mith is the one who is good at puzzle :P

Also, once again, nice drawing @ava!

@Noon ohhh, I forgot to put riddles in it! Anyway that's ok, I'm terrible at these xD

Thank you :)

@avazula Well, can't say I'm good either :P

8:27 PM

@Noon :p you didn't know it was Hebrew!

I'm glad @scohe could read it, I was afraid I wrote it poorly :p

@avazula it's really good!! Especially if you don't even know the language yourself. My SO speaks and reads mandarin and they laugh at me when I try to copy what they write. I guess it's part of your artistic skill

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@scohe001 may be indeed :) I copy a lot

oh, that needs some zooming :/

@JAD hahaha the apache server got me :D

8:32 PM

@scohe001 that was the CSS to me hehe

8:44 PM

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Eiffel 65 - Blue (Da Ba Dee) [Gabry Ponte Ice Pop Mix] (Original Video with subtitles)

@JAD I warned!

huh, I never seen the clip before

interesting...

@avazula damn! It's crazy to me that you can just whip these out one after the other. How long does one take you from start to colored finish?

I'd say a bit more than an hour?

8:49 PM

I'm jealous!

But it wasn't like this before. Until very recently, id just torture myself with these constant "that's terrible! Why even bother trying? This hand is way too big" and so on...

But now, idk, I'm just having a good time. The voice stopped for a while so, I'm enjoying this silence while it lasts :v

@avazula now that you mention it, Mith's hand does look a little big in that picture :p

@scohe001 hahaha

It's awesome that you can just sit down and create like this though. Keep exploring! I know at least I'm a huge fan of all this hand drawn stuff :D

@scohe001 aaw, that's very nice of you, thanks! :) I'm having quite a hard time in my life right now, I'm glad I can at least draw without having to judge myself.

It relaxes myself a lot :p

8:57 PM

@avazula aww I'm sorry to hear it. If there's ever anything we can do, let us know!! :)

@scohe001 y'all already very helpful :)

@avazula <3

Ok guys I'm gonna go, have a good night! :)

9:12 PM

@avazula Goodnight, and thanks again! :D

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@Mithrandir If you want a lighter version ^

oh, thanks

10:07 PM

@Mithrandir ooh, instead of mithrandir the white rider we have mithrandir the blue rider :P

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