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What do you all think of this answer in regards to this Meta discussion. Giving an answer that is essentially about Chinese culture to a question about Korean culture should be considered NAA IMO.
Such an answer has made no attempt to actually answer the specific question asked. It's not "technically wrong", it's trying to answer another question, which makes it NAA>
@Passerby If by "technically wrong" you are referring to the flag message "flags should not be used to indicate technical inaccuracies, or an altogether wrong answer" then that is about factually wrong answers which attempt to actually answer the question. That flag rejection message should not be used on answers which appear to not be attempting to answer the question.
@Passerby Which ones don't? ELU, SFF, OS, various religious ones, all do
> The "not an answer" flag is for posts that are either completely unrelated to the question, a "me too" kind of post, a follow-up question asked in an answer, etc.
Sites vary on how broadly they allow answers to be considered "related" to the question. On this site I think it would be wisest to make answers about other cultures be considered unrelated if they don't answer about the culture actually asked about. If they want to answer for more than just the one asked about then great! But they can't not answer for that cutlure.
@curiousdannii Personally I think the NAA flag is probably a good choice for this site when the "answer" has nothing to do with the question. However, as a compromise, is it not possible to settle on the VLQ flag for answers that are "off by one" so to speak, cases where the culture, of the context, or some other element isn't a match for the question?
I can imagine situations where "near" cultures can have ideas or insights that "help" the OP even when the answer and question have a disconnect. A US-based answer on a UK-based question could be useful, on an Italian-based question, not so much, but still possible, while on an Indian-based question probably worthless.
@GypsySpellweaver Such answers should qualify themselves by saying that while not based on personal experience, they think they are still accurate answers because of the broad cultural similarity and their wide exposure to people of the other culture. That's easy for most US/UK/Aus/etc differences. Much less so for the East Asian cultures for example. The East Asian cultures are less similar to start with, and and due to the different languages there is a lower degree of exposure
@Passerby We've already got higher participation rates than many sites. I don't think we're at any risk of being closed down. Especially once we start getting regular migrations from ELU.
I highly disagree about that memorial day one, and the store one seems so borderline, that it would get VLQ single line answers (just looking/I'm good)
@Passerby That's not actually much of a policy. Exceptions are made all the time. For what it's worth, a public beta can stay alive for as long as it needs
That's just two of the posts on that subject. It's said all the time. You can't even set a beta as a VTC migration path. They have to be manual migrations.
@GypsySpellweaver @Passerby For what it's worth, both the NAA and the VLQ flags put posts in the same queue. If such flags go directly to a moderator, the reason doesn't matter most of the time
Oh, VLQ and NAA flags are independent of close reasons.
Right now, we only have the standard reason: "This question does not appear to be about interpersonal skills, as defined in the help center" or something like that
@GypsySpellweaver They're flags for answers not questions. As for why there are two... I guess partly historically, but also to help explain why someone is flagging it. Short crap answers are often flagged as VLQ. You wouldn't flag a long well written one as VLQ, but if it's off-topic then it's appropriate to flag as NAA.
@curiousdannii Ok, I comprehend what you said. I've been sort of following this, and doing some thinking about the whole mess. We absolutely do need some method of keeping the reigns on answers that are invalid.
Another possibility for a custom close reason would be for questions about serious mental health episodes (suicide attempts etc) where the message would be something like "don't ask on the internet, CALL THE POLICE"
@curiousdannii Caveats: I am new to SE, I don't know the culture of other sites, and I recognize that each site can, and should, set their own standards within the framework set by the SE network.
To me, NAA, says the post is not an answer, to anything. It's not saying it's an invalid answer, or doesn't answer the question, or even that it is dangerous, just that it is not any answer.
Something written in the highest prose, most correct grammar, with citations and cross references, that nevertheless fails to address the question is of zero quality.
@GypsySpellweaver Have a read of my Meta post. I think there's good precedent for saying that NAA should be used for answers which tangentially relate but don't answer the specific questions about.
@curiousdannii I'm going to upload a screenshot over how big differences between related cultural differences can be. Feel free to use it in your post.
Those are Hofstede's evaluations for cultures - India, Pakistan and Bangladesh
Things such as Long Term Orientation are quite similar, but others such as Power Distance and Individualism are very different.
People who know me know that I'm very invested in cultural relativism around here - so I'm actually going to write an entire self-answering question over why cultures are different.
@Passerby The police isn't perfect. But they are necessary.
Anthropologists are human too, but one of the tenants they try to hold to is evaluating a culture using its own terms, not some external source of "values" including the anthropologist's own.
Todo list: 1. Write super long meta post on why your Indian answer may not apply to Bangladesh. 2. Write mod nomination (if I still think I can do it) 3. Think of culture questions you can answer yourself
And that's it for me. I'm sleepy. See y'all later :)
@Zizouz212 studying and judging/ analysing a culture based on internal decisions is moral relativism. It ignores universal/majority beliefs. Like studying a culture where canabilism is okay. And saying it's okay because the culture believes that. Pardon the extremist fallacy.
The idea that every culture has a set of standard "values" and that certain cultures can be superior to others in terms of practices, beliefs and thoughts
The idea that your parents are there to find your partner, or to seek parents permission for marriage is a common and very valid viewpoint, especially in south asia
@Zizouz212 Yes, that is. But there's a difference between your parents legitimately trying to find the best match for you and, say, as was common in England in the middle ages, marrying you to someone because they were rich and don't care about your feelings at all.
@Passerby The publicly acceptable dress codes are enforced through peer and social pressure, that refusing results in social stigma, means it is forced
Marriage here is viewed as something where two people come together and that is it. In many south asian traditions, it's about joining families, traditions... It's much more entrenched in society.
@GypsySpellweaver yes. I agree. Office dress codes are forced. Not that they are dumb, in general, some go farther than rational but any dress code is forced. Like any arranged marriage is forced, regardless of how reasonable they may be.
Here is the murky part. Are successful arranged marriages successful because they work or because the participants feel they need to make it work even through it is not in their best individual interest?
@Passerby There's the catch. They are not forced. You agree to them when you choose to stay within that society. You could, instead, join some other society with views closer to your own, or even choose to live outside of all societies and become a "society of one."
Lets put it in a different context. Would a poor person unhappy with their job really have a choice to leave it? Are they not forced by circumstance to stay? Quiting would not be a realistic choice for them.
For what it's worth, arranged marriages are also consensual. If couples who seek to have a divorce don't have the financial means to do so, then the marriage isn't the reason for that, but rather their economic conditions
A non-arranged marriage is also expected from the society at large. That is also forced, in a sense, then. And surely, there are people who discard the whole idea of marriage itself
Generally speaking, parents will find a partner for their son or daughter. Or, they may get a "proposal" asking the parents for their son or daughter to marry their child. The two have the ability to accept the proposal as well. It's consensual for the couple, as well as the parents of the families.
@Passerby What you have been saying, throughout, is a classic example of ethical imperialism. It's applying your definitions to a cultural group which has different definitions.
While this link may theoretically answer the question, it would be better to provide the essential information here and provide the link for reference...
Like I said, whether something being forced is okay, is separate from whether it is forced or not. Society requires food workers to use hair nets. Under penalty of law.
Absolutely not. The concept of being 'forced' is not objective at all. Most (or rather all) things related to human sociology are highly complex, subjective and evolving with time and place. There is no objective definition of morality/righteous
This conversation is starting to get a little heated; I'd just like to remind people to think about what you say and make sure it comes under Be Nice before it becomes a problem.
@Passerby If "forced marriage" as you call it is bad, why is not "forced dress" bad? If both are bad, why are you not up in arms to get both changed, or recognized as "wrong"?
@Passerby If two parents were to suggest partners for their children in the US, it would be viewed as an invasion of their privacy, since American society is very individualistic. But it's near opposite for many south asian cultures.
The definition of marriage also changes to an extent between the two
@Mithrandir You worry too much :)
If anything, discussion on sensitive topics is good. It's quite civilized here. And the discussion of social institutions for a site about interpersonal skills is also quite relevant.
@GypsySpellweaver I don't know where I said that. I said arranged = forced in most situations. I never said forced = bad. I stated that most place a with forced marriages have better success rates than "free" marriage areas
@Zizouz212 let's take it to the extreme. I put a gun to your head to do x. You have free will to say no, resulting in your death. The question is, did I force you to do x? Undeniably, universally, that's a yes.
Nor, for that matter is refusal of a proposed marriage.
If I marry Liz, I cannot marry Jasmine. That is a consequence. If I marry Jasmine I am honor-bound to provide for her children. That is a consequence. If I don't marry anyone, I have to provide my own meals (cook myself or buy pre-made). That is a consequence.
I'm considering putting a bounty here with a note to the effect that I'm looking for answers based in experience that optimally also discuss rudeness in the context of traffic (like AJ's answer). Do people think this could be effective?
I'll probably wait 'til tomorrow, or at least when it's off the HNQ.
Are those Is it rude to do such and such? questions actually on topic on that site? For instance: is it rude to use a person's driveway to turn around? How are they not opinion based? Rude is not the same as illegal. (As a matter of fact, trespassing is not illegal in many (rural) places.) Or are opinion based questions fine over there? And I'm not asking over there because I don't want to join that site. — Clare6 hours ago
