@Magisch Yeah.. on second thought, maybe a mod flag would have been more correct... ah well, you can always flag the post and say 'see the deleted comment' :)
I can't because I already flagged my post for comment clean-up, they seem to have involved into a history of the US because of a mistake I made yesterday in the original revision ;-)
@Magisch I don't think we need more mods, just a wider timezone coverage for them. all 3 are Americans. I think we could use one in Europe or the Middle East
@Magisch given some people's unpredictable, erratic behavior that seems to go beyond just words -- e.g., intense ideologies to "step up and fight" -- I am sufficiently frightened for this site to add a new mod, actually ...
I would feel physically unsafe ...
the CMs would have to be extraordinarily careful in choosing ...
@Magisch a suggestion I made earlier would have stopped most of this nonsense. When you have a site that's got problems, you need to crack down until everyone behaves, then loosen up
right now, far too many rude and abusive answers and comments stand, and questions that have nothing to do with IPS go to HNQ because they are not killed quickly
@Magisch This is, I think, one of the most difficult sites to moderate on the network, and I don't even have experience with a diamond on IPS. Just from what I can do as a normal user on the main site and sometimes moderating this room is exhausting enough.
The problem in here is that standards are not consistently enforced. What happens is lots of chaos, mods get mad, crack down for a short while, people complain about the enforcement, mods go away, chaos ensues, lather, rinse repeat
inconsistent standards are worse than no standards at all
@Cashbee Not exactly what I was aiming for... inconsistent to me is one person acting differently each time... not 'standard' is different people acting differently
Um.. I have a question which is perhaps not a good fit for the site. So, I will ask here. We (by we, I mean me and the people part of the club that I am in) have been accused to be elitist and braggards (none of which is true btw). The thing is that this idea of our club has been passed down from the seniors to the freshers and hence, we don't see a lot of participation in our activities. What can we do to shed this image?
@RichardU We're working our asses of to that regard, flags, chat, meta... but you can't reach the people that are never in chat or meta... except with moderator messages. I do think those are being sent a lot
And even the ones that are sometimes require a suspension in the hopes they learn.
@RichardU I'd personally love to see stricter moderating here, but we can't depend on the moderators to do that. I think that's why the suspension reason list as one of the reasons that people seem to not be learning from the community, and their activity comes with a string of moderator flags
@RichardU we try. But, people are very unwilling to join/contribute in any way (even by participation).
For instance, if there's some competition that we organize, people are like, "we know we won't win. So,why waste time going." We have even tried to convince people that it will help them a lot in speaking skills but it still doesn't mAke much of a difference.
@Sid yeah, you need outreach then. Your people need to go to other people's stuff and engage them, talk to them, connect with them on a basic human level.
To be fair,we sort of know that we are considered elitists because of the way we communicate. For instance, our language of communication is English which Is kinda overwhelming for some people considering English Is like a third language to most of us. We prefer English because it is understood by everyone irrespective of where they come from. However, people feel it is our way of showing off and that's what leads to the perceptions
I know people who are fine with either he or she but not they. To them, they used to clock people as gender non conforming and is calling them an other.
@D.Hutchinson I was born with damage to the neural center of my brain that controls motor function. I am functional, but have all the grace of a gazelle with spastic disorder, and thus have never been one for sports.
There is a very broad space for accidentally offending people to different degrees and the current discourse on the internet, does not have a good way of navigating that liminal space.
@RichardU Generally what I do when I accidentally offend someone. Is say something like "I'm sorry, I didn't realize that this thing I did would have that effect on you."
@RichardU you should at the very least do what you can to get along, and while that does not mean you are obligated to walk on eggshells, it doesn't mean you get to routinely do things that obviously upset people and act like it's their problem, not yours.
@RichardU While you definitely get in arguments on this site I think your voice and contributions are important. I'm want you to stay and continue to be involved.
@Cascabel That's a pretty severe accusation you are leveling, don't you think?
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Having a brain that works differently than average is not and should not be an automatic license to not try to be decent human being. It's not a get out of jail free card. Sure, you might not always intend it but you can learn from it.
@RichardU IANAL but i will do that for you if you want
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You aren't on trial, we are just responding to things you have said and offering ways that you can consider to potentially avoid unnecessary inflammation of issues
@RichardU So then what you should do as a Stack Exchange user is to make sure that they don't have anything that would be reasonable to be offended about.
@RichardU If you want think of it like playing blackjack, because of imperfect information the correct play given your information may not be the play that maximizes your return in a particular hand.
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@RichardU nope. Not saying that at all. Please do not put words in my mouth.
@Ash so, you are saying that nobody deliberately seeks to be offended? I can think of at least one who has.
@Ash you have no problem putting words and intent in mine.
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@RichardU I'm not saying that either. Basically, regardless if people seek that or not, you provoking them if you think that's what they're doing is a bad idea.
Anyway, my original point was an off the cuff joke. There are people who are easily offended and I always seem to find them and annoy them by doing little more than breathing.
@Cascabel if you are going to accuse someone of something, have proof, or it's just name calling.
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@RichardU it might not be, but you have the capability to learn, yes? I get being hyper literal, I am bad for that myself, but even though I don't always inherently understand why I can't say x as a response to thing y, I have started making a mental list of times when saying thing x is not the right response regardless of my interpretation. It's not a perfect system and I still fail sometimes but it is a thing.
@RichardU My statement was a direct response to a few things here, e.g. "I can think of at least one who has."
And that's the second time you've said I was accusing, all the while you've been making these claims about others, so... meh, yeah, doesn't seem like we're being that productive?
