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3:05 PM
@Tinkeringbell I'm not sure this one actually answers your question: interpersonal.stackexchange.com/a/8348/2262
 
It definitely didn't read my question... I want to know why mom won't tell me what's wrong, not convince her to forgive the neighbor
(Christmas drinks!)
 
@Tinkeringbell dieting never works
When you change your eating habits its gonna not be a diet but just a change
(At least I never manifested the willpower to pull off a temporary diet change - its SO hard to hold on to)
 
3:23 PM
I'm not sure what to make of this comment
The problem is, the only reason this issue has been festering for four years is because OP's mom won't talk about it. OP indicated the neighbor has made several attempts to open up a channel of communication, and has been thwarted or rebuffed every time. The neighbor has been trying to relieve the tension, but OP's mom is refusing. I'm guessing the apology card was sent because the neighbor has been unable to successfully communicate in person and is trying to make her intentions known through other means now. — Doktor J 5 mins ago
@Magisch hmm, I recently stopped drinking beer outside of the weekends and switched from eating bread to knäckebröd
(of course that is mostly compensated by the fact that it is december, with all its festivities, but w/e)
 
@JarkoDubbeldam They may not be wrong but I'm not sure what they're suggesting change within your answer?
 
@TheTinyMan yeah, I'm not sure if they agree or not
@DoktorJ Agreed, but since the mom apparently hasn't been receptive of the neighbor's attempts, OP could step into the role of mediator, so hopefully ease the mother into the idea of reconciliation. — Jarko Dubbeldam 3 mins ago
 
@Tinkeringbell I wonder, is it necessary to say that your mom's a Christian? You could just say "my mom's usually the first to forgive". It seems to be drawing a lot of attention? Unless you want answers that address the religious aspect?
 
@Catija I think it'd be better to focus on her teaching to forgive
 
@Catija That stuck out to me, too. I inferred that forgiveness is an important part of your mom's view of her faith, @Tinkeringbell, and that that faith is important to her?
 
3:34 PM
Relevant:
6 hours ago, by Tinkeringbell
@JarkoDubbeldam That's one of the reasons why I didn't confront her with that yet, she doesn't really like me doing that because I'm not going to church anymore
 
@JarkoDubbeldam Sure. Either way, my point is that teaching forgiveness doesn't require that you be Christian, so if that's not a big focus of the question, it may be better to skip it.
 
4:04 PM
Go for it, but if you can do so while leaving in the forgiveness part that would be nice ;) I have to go and catch a train, I can do it in an hour or 3 myself otherwise...

Jarko and Tiny were pretty right, I mentioned it because to me teaching forgiveness and christianity go hand in hand ... But I guess it can go
 
4:54 PM
@Catija I came across this effort at editing a deleted answer to one of your old questions.
 
@AnneDaunted Yeah. I've seen it. What's up?
 
5:17 PM
Hmm, vandalism on a deleted answer
 
@Catija Should the original post be edited back in or is it okay to "manually delete" a post this way?
 
@AnneDaunted It's been so long that i'm not really worried about it. It's not new. If it was something that happened just recently, it'd be one thing, but only some users can even see it and you can still see the edit history.
 
Okay, I just thought I'd bring it to your attention. I once asked if something like this was a polite thing to do and users told me it was considered vandalism over at TWP.
 
@IamSoNotListening thanks :)
 
@JarkoDubbeldam Your Welcome. I may throw some bounty on it too.
 
 
1 hour later…
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6:40 PM
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7:25 PM
Okay, I removed the Christian part and added somethings @AnneDaunted wanted to know ;)
 
7:42 PM
@Tinkeringbell Cool :)
It wasn't urgent enough that I wanted to change it but :P
 
@Catija I hope the edit helps... I'm getting a lot of answers focused around the part that I want mom and neighbor to make up, while I really just want to figure out what's so horribly wrong...
I might start commenting soon ;)
 
I think maybe you need to make your bold sentence more definite?
 
Yeah, I was thinking about that too....
Haven't come up with a nice phrase yet though...
I'm a bit empty tonight... :P
 
I survived the DMV. Didn't panic or start cursing this time.
 
@apaul There's always next time :-)
 
7:58 PM
Bureaucratic purgatory... Every time I have to go to a government office, part of me wants to scream "This is why people don't trust the government! Burn it down!"
 
8:09 PM
@apaul dmv is car related, right?
 
@Tinkeringbell like the CBR
 
@JarkoDubbeldam thought so :)
 
8:35 PM
@Tinkeringbell I finally posted my hat here
Its the same colander I wore to high school graduation to spite my religion teacher
 
@apaul Ours is pretty awesome... you can get "in line" on their website so you don't have to sit around at the place all day.
 
IDK I haven't been there since I got my license
basically, the dutch version of the DMV is accused of having a certain quota of passed drivers tests, implying that they fail people arbitrarily
 
@Catija Thought I just needed to update my registration, which is usually very in-and-out, didn't realize my license was about to expire too.
 
8:50 PM
@apaul Better "about to" than "is expired". :P
 
hmm, here we can renew licenses at town hall
which lets you make a scheduled appointment
so no lines
 
So once again my driver's license photo looks tired and irritated... Probably for the best, I'm sure that's how my face looks when the cops need to see my license anyway.
@JarkoDubbeldam technically I was at a county tax office, not the DMV, they're mostly rolled into the same office here.
 
@Catija You and your perspectives... Can't a person be curmudgeonly once in awhile?
 
@apaul Just don't call me Pollyanna.
 
8:58 PM
@Catija I wouldn't dream of it, you hate fun too much for all that ;)
 
goes to cry in the corner
 
@Catija Riiight, not falling for it...
 
:(
 
@Catija Ever hear the story of the mod, who cried in the corner? ... One day they really cried in the corner and no one believed them.
 
@apaul compelling story
feels like I was there
 
9:04 PM
has fun
@JarkoDubbeldam That was the sweetened condensed version.
 
oh boy
 
@apaul Oh, no... when I actually cry in the corner, I don't tell anyone.
 
@Catija Jeez, way to put the hammer down on the fun there. You know I'm just playing.
 
So was I?
Obviously, when I'm actually crying, I go weep in the TL.
 
 
9:12 PM
red-nosed stone-faced killer
 
continues having fun
Anyone else notice that your phone's predictive text feature starts to anticipate how messed up you are going to be?
 
It auto completes "Stack Exchange" for me now.
 
If I type the word "loads" my phone predicts that the next words will be "excrement" and then "catapult"
 
Now I'm glad you don't talk with me off of SE.
 
9:21 PM
It's my way of threatening to give my friends crap about something. Didn't realize that I make that threat that often, till my phone started suggesting it...
 
uhm, that sounds scary
 
@apaul You could switch it up by using "trebuchet" instead?
 
I can't take trebuchets seriously
 
@Catija It's an obscure movie reference.
 
HAHA
 
9:26 PM
which movie is that?
 
@JarkoDubbeldam "The first rule is, I'm not supposed to talk about it."
 
Fight Club
 
@apaul :flags as NAA:
 
@JarkoDubbeldam Declines flag.
 
@JarkoDubbeldam I was trying to dig up a video clip, but it was taking too long.
 
9:30 PM
@Catija TO META!
:grabs pitchfork:
 
Feel free to clean out the stables all you like.
 
@JarkoDubbeldam loads excrement catapult Your move... ;)
 
IPS question: How to handle being bullied with an excrement catapult?
 
@Catija Isn't that why we have mods?
 
9:34 PM
Community moderation includes cleanup. :D
 
6
A: Who shovels shit in full communism?

apaulWho shovels shit around here? Just to use what I think is a pretty apt comparison, the SE network is pretty communal if not anarchistic. Community rules are more or less​ agreed upon by the community and mostly enforced by the community. But who handles the less desirable work around here? Who ...

 
@Catija they have the roomba for all their needs
 
@Catija Having fun yet?
 
Eh. It's the last day of work for me and my MIL got in this morning. Going to see Star Wars tonight.
But right now I'm being a "monitor" we have an open house so I'm hanging out at my desk just keeping the peace. :P
 
@Catija MIL?
 
9:41 PM
Mother-in-Law?
 
@Catija Eeeeeek!
You can borrow the catapult if need be.
 
She's the only reason we've seen a movie in the last 16 months ;)
 
@Catija Ohh never mind lol
 
gnight
o/
 
9:51 PM
@JarkoDubbeldam Night
o/
 
\o/
 
10:12 PM
@Catija I tried to schedule plans with the extended family these holidays but I dread the prospect of hanging out with anyone for an extended period of time
The people are mostly lovely, but I get really tired really quickly and get heavy headaches from sitting with people for hours
 
@Magisch I have four days with my sister in law... The Mother in law is fine... the sister... not so much. I'd much rather be able to stay and relax at home. With her around, there's an absolute guarantee of some sort of major drama.
@Magisch That sounds like you're an introvert ;)
 
@Magisch is it like larger family gatherings or smaller group/individual things?
Just thinking that with larger groups of people, sometimes you can get away with showing up a little late and leaving a little early to reduce burnout.
 
11:22 PM
Hi @Tinkeringbell :)
@apaul, the DMV is the worst ...
@apaul, regarding "shoveling shit", I first heard of that term being used by one of my managers, describing how a director we had hired turned out to be the biggest liar / bullshitter about his client contacts / projected business that he would bring in for us.
so that, "shoveling shit" meant lying and bullshitting ...
 
11:41 PM
Sorry shaving my dog... 3/4 of the way through and we needed a break.
Poodle Dachshund mix and he's gettin a little too floofy
 
awww ... that's so cute :)
my mom had a golden retriever for 13 happy years ...
Ruffles :)
 
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