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Most sites, the more established the more so, appreciate migrations of only good questions. Even if it is on-topic there, a low quality post is still low quality.

Ben I.

In that case, a better move is to suggest OP post there themselves?

Gypsy Spellweaver

That's usually best. With an extra warning to avoid cross-posting as well

But, to suggest a different site, it helps to be sure it really is on-topic, or else we end up alienating the user by starting a wild-goose chase

Not saying this one is off-topic there, because I have no clue of their topic guidelines.

Just a general idea.

Ben I.

It's not off-topic there - it's just a poor-quality post

Until this place started, cs.SE was my home on stackexchange (to the extent that I had one at all)

And I have my highest other score there.. something in the 600s

Gypsy Spellweaver

I'm given to understand that mods try to help each other out, especially the newly minted ones.

If nothing else, excluding this question, you may try going to a sites main chat and find a mod, ask them to review the questionable post. They can say migrate if they like it, or post a comment suggesting the reasking to the OP

Ben I.

1:07 AM

In my experience with Gilles to date, he is somewhat direct, but also fair, and has an extremely dry sense of humor. At least, that's how it comes off to me

Gypsy Spellweaver

I do suspect that, once we're a graduated site, CompSci and Theoretical CompSci will become two of our primary migration targets. Possibly MathEd as well.

Ben I.

cs50, possibly, as well

Peter

Not so sure about cs50...the questions there are all from students and they are very specific to each problem set

Ben I.

Fair 'nuff

We might get an occasional SO migration as well

How can I teach what is wrong with this code

Gypsy Spellweaver

Well... That's good to know. And that increases the likely hood of it being a target. Possible that we get students here, and that might be a transfer point.

Peter

1:12 AM

Speaking of migrations...this feels borderline, but I'm not sure where else - if anywhere - it'd go

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Q: Overcoming a friend's self-discouragement

Before I turned 19 I just kind of... fell into coding. I used to think programming was something incredibly hard that only child prodigies and people with a 160+ IQ could do. (A view often reinforced by Hollywood stereotypes.) And I thought that I just wasn't smart enough. Since getting into pro...

Ben I.

Quid suggested that an analogous question would be welcome on matheducators, so I am inclined to think that it belongs here

Gypsy Spellweaver

I'm not versed in the SE-verse, but I don't know where to send the OP with that one.

Ben I.

(While you were away, I called Quid into this room and we discussed that question at length)

Gypsy Spellweaver

That he did. See it myself.

Peter

gotcha

i missed that in the transcript

Ben I.

1:13 AM

He said that the question could be criticized, and could probably use some modification for the backstory part, but that in general, something like it would be welcome there.

Peter

thanks for clarifying

Ben I.

He also said that they have an anxiety tag that would apply in posts like those

Peter

there's the career-prep side of teaching

so in that sense opening students up to consider the path of cs is relevant

Ben I.

It's true

IMO "Is this career choice right for me" has a place here, as long as they can make the ask specific enough.

(In case it's not clear, I am speaking as a community member here, not a mod)

Peter

me as well

Gypsy Spellweaver

1:16 AM

At least for now, I think the three of you can remain users in chat. Exception being when dealing with a new-to-chat user.

Ben I.

It's such a small core community in the first place

I just don't want anyone to feel like they can't disagree with me. I'm no decider of what is on-topic unless it is blatantly obvious

Gypsy Spellweaver

And rarely do non-core visit here. Though they do float through.

From what I've seen on other sites, that's not a problem. Many meta posts have been seen that question the actions of a site mod. And, on occasion I've seen the same in the Super User chat room as well.

Ben I.

I hope that tradition will continue here.

Viva la resistance!

Gypsy Spellweaver

On the other hand, I hope it never happens that a user is dissatisfied with our mods' actions.

thesecretmaster

I hope it does happen. It'll be a good lesson in accountability for us mods.

Gypsy Spellweaver

1:26 AM

Two of three have already had an oops moment. Let's see how long before the last one does.

Peter

:)

Ben I.

Peter is far more careful.

Peter

It'll come at some point

Gypsy Spellweaver

Well here's one for @Peter to use when he has the need:

Peter

I like it

Ben I.

1:36 AM

Peter will find a way to use a screwdriver.

Gypsy Spellweaver

Not to have @BenI. feeling left out, I got one for him too:

Ben I.

Mine glows magical blue :)

Gypsy Spellweaver

Or, maybe it's a musical blue

You know, blue notes :)

Henry WH Hack v2.0

DIAMONDS and HAMMERS!

I have neither.

:(

Gypsy Spellweaver

I figure that with the power of the mod hammer, nothing short of Thor's hammer would do.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

1:40 AM

I don't even have a badge that says RO.

I think @Aurora0001 is referring something that is not really a rule but is done sometimes.

Ben I.

Here, @HenryWHHackv2.0, take this hammer:

@BenI. Thank You! :)

+1 Henry :)

whatever it is.

It's the biggest hammer I've ever seen.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

1:45 AM

Oh

right

Gypsy Spellweaver

BTW The RO for the question help room has been handed over as well. thesecretmaster has already set up camp there, and, of course, Ben never left.

Ben I.

It's true :P

Henry WH Hack v2.0

I am going to protest about losing my RO access. (It's not anything bad just a peaceful protest.)

Ben I.

Why protest? You gave it up willingly.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

evidence?

Ben I.

1:51 AM

I was here when you did it, and read the conversation between you and Aurora?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

I gave it up on request of @Aurora0001

Gypsy Spellweaver

gave it up yes, evidence:

8 hours ago, by Feeds

Henry WH Hack v2.0 has removed Henry WH Hack v2.0 from the list of this room's owners.

willingly? Maybe a bit of persuasion was involved:/

Henry WH Hack v2.0

If I refused he would of removed it him self so I had noting to do but hear and obey.

One day I am going to be a CM and Dev at SE!

Gypsy Spellweaver

I don't think he could, could he? Even with a diamond?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Yes he could

I am thinking big.

Maybe I am thinking to big.

Gypsy Spellweaver

1:55 AM

@HenryWHHackv2.0 Somehow I think you might have to choose between the two. Doubt that being either one leaves much time or energy for the other.

You might like CM better, I'd prever Dev.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

I like the Dev part.

AdamLear ♦ Is not in the room where I ask him my questions.

He got smart and figured out I was going to bother him all the time so he left.

Gypsy Spellweaver

Not necessarily. Maybe he just had to do other things. Like reboot the computer.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Well that's a long reboot.

Like long!

Maybe he came back

Ben I.

Folks, I think I'm heading to bed.

The site is growing up!

But I think we only got 1 question today :(

Gypsy Spellweaver

And daddy needs his rest.

Peter

2:01 AM

I am off for a bit as well

Until tomorrow!

Ben I.

Do you guys think that we should adopt [mathstackexchange.SE]'s anxiety? It would fit well for this post

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Q: Overcoming a friend's self-discouragement

Before I turned 19 I just kind of... fell into coding. I used to think programming was something incredibly hard that only child prodigies and people with a 160+ IQ could do. (A view often reinforced by Hollywood stereotypes.) And I thought that I just wasn't smart enough. Since getting into pro...

student-motivation layperson

Henry WH Hack v2.0

He's not in.

Gypsy Spellweaver

Uh oh, the parents are gone and the kids are alone. ...XD

thesecretmaster

Settle down kiddies

Henry WH Hack v2.0

BenI. Has 6663 reps in total! :O

Gypsy Spellweaver

2:02 AM

oops forgot one.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

How did your message bounced up before mine which was already posted?

Gypsy Spellweaver

Faster internet?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Ok

Ben I.

@HenryWHHackv2.0 If you're mean to me, you hurt my feelings. Not as a mod, but as a person.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

What is your Internet speed?

@BenI. not you.

Gypsy Spellweaver

2:04 AM

IDK

Henry WH Hack v2.0

You don't know your Internet speed?

holly mods

I don't believe it.

Ben I.

@HenryWHHackv2.0 What do you mean? You said that I had 666 rep.

When you say things like that, it hurts my feelings.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Evil number

@BenI. Nothing really

Ben I.

I know the reference. That's how it hurt my feelings. You see? :(

Henry WH Hack v2.0

I have a 45 Mbps down and a 5 Mbps up.

Oh sorry.

Ben I.

2:07 AM

That's okay. Thanks for apologizing.

I hope you don't think I've ever been mean to you. I try to be nice to people.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

I thought most of you guys here didn't believe in god or the bible.

Ok

Gypsy Spellweaver

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Ethernet vs Wifi?

I use wifi mostly.

@edcharlie Welcome! :)

Gypsy Spellweaver

@HenryWHHackv2.0 that was on Ethernet

Here it is from wifi

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Nice

Gypsy Spellweaver

2:21 AM

Henry WH Hack v2.0

This is in Mbps the other was in Kbps.

I rather Mbps.

or MBps

edcharlie

MB = "MEGA BYTE" and Mb = "MEGA bit" i know a lot of guys confuse those. internet speed nowadays is calculated in Mbps; do you know that google fiber provide 1Gbps speed.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

I know theres a difference between b and B. ;)

Also I knew about Google Fiber proving speeds up to 1Gbps.

I think.

Who here uses Google Fiber?

Gypsy Spellweaver

I wish I did. It would justify the gigabit copper and router I have.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

I want to have a high internet speed for no reason.

Gypsy Spellweaver

2:32 AM

I probably couldn't afford it if it was here anyway :(

I guess I shouldn't complain. I still remember when 28K was a pipe dream.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Yep

People today are looking at 28K as a crappy internet speed.

But sometime in the future people will be looking at 1Gbps as a crappy internet speed.

Gypsy Spellweaver

How would you like to use 110 baud?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

what?

edcharlie

it is a modem that is so slow

Gypsy Spellweaver

Baud

In telecommunication and electronics, baud (, unit symbol Bd) is the unit for symbol rate or modulation rate in symbols per second or pulses per second. It is the number of distinct symbol changes (signaling events) made to the transmission medium per second in a digitally modulated signal or a line code. Digital data modem manufacturers commonly define the baud as the modulation rate of data transmission and express it as bits per second. Baud is related to gross bit rate expressed as bits per second. == Definitions == The symbol duration time, also known as unit interval, can be directly measured...

Henry WH Hack v2.0

2:36 AM

I have a combo device.

Gypsy Spellweaver

That gets about 10 characters per second on a text display.

edcharlie

speed of 110 baud is 0.11 kbit/s from wiki

Henry WH Hack v2.0

It's a modem and router in one provided by my ISP. (Sad)

@edcharlie wiki?

Gypsy Spellweaver

I had one of those. Lease was to much, so I got my own pair.

edcharlie

wikipedia

Henry WH Hack v2.0

2:38 AM

oh

Gypsy Spellweaver

When I was first online 110 baud was what we had. Later we got 300 baud with a television as a VDT.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

here is a funny chat post from me:

in Ask Ubuntu General Room, Apr 27 '16 at 0:28, by Henry White Hat Hacker

@Zacharee1 Because I am hosting my own isp to make money to pay my isp.

Gypsy Spellweaver

O_o

thesecretmaster

Too meta

Henry WH Hack v2.0

in Ask Ubuntu General Room, Apr 27 '16 at 0:34, by Videonauth

thesecretmaster

2:43 AM

Where's linux?

Gypsy Spellweaver

Penguin behind the Debian standard

Henry WH Hack v2.0

If you look carefully to the back.

Gypsy Spellweaver

I see BSD too, what's the egg in front?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

You will see ~~Aurora0001~~ a penguin.

thesecretmaster

Oh, I see.

Why does rasbien get color? It's no fair.

Gypsy Spellweaver

2:46 AM

@thesecretmaster What makes it Rasbien? Looks like plain old Debian to me?

edcharlie

to host his isp he need a DHCP server and a lot of configuration how is this even possible? modem are known to have lots of vulnerabilities some allow you to use internet for free.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

So the FOSS OSes are throwing Windows and Mac off the cliff.

thesecretmaster

@GypsySpellweaver Oh, could be. I'm not the best at distro logo idendification

Henry WH Hack v2.0

@edcharlie It's a joke really.

Gypsy Spellweaver

I don't know what the first one is, nor the last two.

The first one could be an egg, not sure. Then a moose and maybe a Native American?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

2:48 AM

Going off the cliff we have Windows and Mac

thesecretmaster

Well, of course. They stink (sent from a mac)

Gypsy Spellweaver

Nope, last is the Tux penguin seated

Henry WH Hack v2.0

1 IDK 2 BSD 3 IDK 4 Debian 5 GNU 6 ~~Aurora0001~~ Tux

Gypsy Spellweaver

first is some other penguin, maybe Slackware?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

@GypsySpellweaver Humpty Dumpty? (Don't go to close to the cliff or you'll really have a great fall.)

edcharlie

2:51 AM

windows can activate airplane mode and fly

Gypsy Spellweaver

Not for long though.

thesecretmaster

Then it crashes into the blue sky of death.

Gypsy Spellweaver

Windows has a new safety feature:

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Windows S?

Gypsy Spellweaver

Henry WH Hack v2.0

2:55 AM

@GypsySpellweaver LOL

I wonder if I can restar what I unstarred.

I can

This^ is how it looks like when you are ignoring not not ignoring all the tags on a SE site at the same time.

edcharlie

what about mac he is the one to hit the ground first

Gypsy Spellweaver

Newtonian physics I guess.

edcharlie

mac is a waste of money instead you can buy a gaming pc and everyone loses their minds

Henry WH Hack v2.0

3:47 AM

I AM HERE!

@GypsySpellweaver Don't forget the meeting. ;)

Gypsy Spellweaver

I'm still looking for the egg looking thing, penguin I think, from that picture.

Going through DistroWatch, one by one.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Let me pin it so you will remember where the picture is.

Oh I can't

Well I can still star.

Gypsy Spellweaver

I got it in another tab anyway

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Ok

Gypsy Spellweaver

full size instead of tiny here

Henry WH Hack v2.0

3:52 AM

yep

Also but your web browser in full screen to get a bigger experience.

Gypsy Spellweaver

I know I've seen that somewhere, but I just don't know where. Could even be something other than a distro

I get a great experience. running at 1920x1200 :)

Now all the monitors only want to go 1920x1080 :(

Got a 1280x1024 on the side for monitoring things so I don't waste desktop space for tell tales.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

The third one seems familiar.

Maybe it's the Arch Linux logo with hands and feet.

Gypsy Spellweaver

There's full screen

Henry WH Hack v2.0

I have mines full screen and zoomed in.

Gypsy Spellweaver

That is full size

Henry WH Hack v2.0

3:59 AM

Ok

Gypsy Spellweaver

can't go full-screen in browser and get both screens. It'll only do one screen:(

If I stretch the window to all monitors, and set the image to full-size, this is what I get

Welp, It's not letting me upload :(, try again

Henry WH Hack v2.0

:O

Gypsy Spellweaver

Had to change it to a jpg from png

Wonder what the file size limit is for imgur?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

I don't know.

Gypsy Spellweaver

The png is 472KiB the jpg is only 365.1KiB, so if that was the problem, it must be around 400 or 450

Henry WH Hack v2.0

4:09 AM

Did you figure it out?

Gypsy Spellweaver

Not interested enough to test it. I'm sure it's in their docs somewhere. I'll just have to remember that there is a limit somewhere.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

No I mean about the logo.

Gypsy Spellweaver

Nope. It's a looooong list.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Ok I was saving this so I won't spoil the fun.

I created that image.

Gypsy Spellweaver

Kali has a nice dragon though :)

Henry WH Hack v2.0

4:13 AM

Ok not really I didn't create that.

Gypsy Spellweaver

I think I need to check out edubuntu, looks promising.

Itamar Green

5:50 AM

Hello

Gypsy Spellweaver

Hi

Itamar Green

Wow, I'm so happy about the mod selection, and the a51 statistics thing.

we have 1700 views per day!

Gypsy Spellweaver

Growing steady

Itamar Green

I'll be honest, I was a bit crestfallen when I didn't get picked, but 30 mins later I saw that it was a better choice, all around. And now it's back to the asking questions, answering questions and attacking the review queue :P

Gypsy Spellweaver

I was a tad myself. But I didn't really think I would because my education arena experience is very outdated.

Itamar Green

5:56 AM

I suppose I lacked the active initiative in meta. But as I said, I can already see that the assembled trio is doing a good job.

Gypsy Spellweaver

I've also been on SE as a whole for only a few months. And the CMs aren't going to entrust a new site to someone that doesn't have much of a record for them to evaluate.

Itamar Green

I suppose that's true...

Gypsy Spellweaver

They've got some learning to do, but I know they'll do an excellent job.

Itamar Green

Agreed.

Gypsy Spellweaver

I've only been on SE for 5 months. Joined Unix & Linux on Dec 29th last year.

Itamar Green

6:00 AM

I've been on SO for 3 years... But my activity only really kicked in on oct. of last year...

reading a blogpost when suddenly Jeff's mentioned XD. here.

Itamar Green

6:13 AM

NOTE: Drive spreadsheet updated.

docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/…

Gypsy Spellweaver

Apparently heather didn't make note of the ones already edited.

Itamar Green

Which are those?

Gypsy Spellweaver

Checking, but looks like it's the first 11 on the list

Itamar Green

Oh dear. Internet security again. The same question. I wonder if the dup hammer should be invoked...

Gypsy Spellweaver

6:31 AM

Where did the other one go?

Itamar Green

closed and deleted by system

Gypsy Spellweaver

Then can't dupe, nothing to link to.

Itamar Green

exactly.

Gypsy Spellweaver

7:00 AM

Ok, updated. Added ** to the number of answers if it has an accepted answer as well.

Itamar Green

Good call

Gypsy Spellweaver

I also changed the "Current tags" column to reflect the new status, leaving the suggested as is

Itamar Green

Cool.

Gypsy Spellweaver

She also added high-school and primary-school and undergraduate to some and added a couple language tags, and other "improvements"

I see you've joined the sheet. I'm the alligator.

Itamar Green

I'm not anonymous, I think...

Gypsy Spellweaver

7:06 AM

The creator can't be

Itamar Green

Makes sense

Gypsy Spellweaver

That's why Touring Tux didn't want to make a sheet for his beta data digest

Can I grant other people "Create" privileges to a folder on my Google Drive?

Itamar Green

oh. Well I really don't care about using my "true" identity. I got nothing to hide.

@GypsySpellweaver pretty sure you can...

Gypsy Spellweaver

@ItamarGreen Ok I've created a folder on my Drive, and it has a photo in it. The folder should be here. See if you can add something, anything, and if you can delete the photo.

Itamar Green

yep. The options are there...

Useful.

I moved the tag purge into that.

Gypsy Spellweaver

7:21 AM

Now that you've done that, can you move it again, to a different account?

Itamar Green

what do you mean?

Gypsy Spellweaver

That's my normal account, and might have limited space.

I have a different account with zero in it for now