Codenames

caird coinheringaahing

20:00

Yeah, but if we're sure that America works, why not guess it?

PiIsNot3

Because under the same logic, WASHINGTON would also work

caird coinheringaahing

Personally, America >> Washington

Do you have any other options for Snow White tho?

John Dvorak

She was passed an apple

PiIsNot3

Hmm, is there a well-known concert that's related to Snow White?

Avi

@JohnDvorak shhhhh

PiIsNot3

20:02

Is Snow White "mirror mirror on the wall"?

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah

PiIsNot3

I don't see any connections to mirrors though

El'endia Starman

Oh hey, I'm not participating in the game so I can go look that up!

PiIsNot3

Maybe CAST? Since the evil queen "cast" a spell on the apple to make her fall asleep

caird coinheringaahing

I don't see anything better than America rn

PiIsNot3

20:03

I really need to eat, I'm struggling to even think right now

John Dvorak

I ate during the first game

Avi

mirror mirror on the wall
who's the fairest of them all
not john dvorak because they
keep interupting, hey

PiIsNot3

@JohnDvorak I'm making fried rice after this, it'll be awesome :)

Avi

@JohnDvorak talking about food is forgiven

John Dvorak

OK, no more shushing. Especially not shushing while SMing ;)

PiIsNot3

20:05

@cairdcoinheringaahing Thoughts on CAST?

John Dvorak

Me, I had risotto

caird coinheringaahing

I guess, it's rather tenuous

PiIsNot3

Do you see anything better?

caird coinheringaahing

America

I'd argue it's a much better fit than Washington, and nothing else really works

PiIsNot3

Hmm, I guess we can try, although I still have doubts about WASHINGTON

Playing AMERICA?

caird coinheringaahing

20:06

AMERICA

Shiro

AMERICA is Blue

user58

!board

Shiro

caird coinheringaahing

!who

Shiro

Blue currently has 1 guesses remaining.

caird coinheringaahing

20:07

I don't mind going for Cast if you like it

PiIsNot3

We still have one more "Home run" word left

caird coinheringaahing

And one more Snow White clue

PiIsNot3

Oops, you're not on my team! Delete

caird coinheringaahing

Didn't the Washington Nationals just win the baseball competition thing?

DJMcMayhem

@JohnDvorak You know you're on red team, right?

PiIsNot3

20:08

@cairdcoinheringaahing Yeah, that's what I'm referring to

And it's the World Series

caird coinheringaahing

I'll support whatever word you'd like to guess

user58

Washington sounds okay for "home run"

caird coinheringaahing

@PiIsNot3 Despite only being held in the US

user58

WAIT

PASTE?

For "snow white"

caird coinheringaahing

Paste?

El'endia Starman

20:10

@cairdcoinheringaahing We're nothing if not self-aggrandizing.

John Dvorak

That's okay. Miss Universe is also biased towards Earth women.

PiIsNot3

@cairdcoinheringaahing Yeah, I never got why they call the championships in the US "World (whatever)"

@user58 Oh yeah, didn't think of that!

caird coinheringaahing

@JohnDvorak Wait 1000 years and Miss Methane Planet will win

PiIsNot3

Is it better than CAST, though?

user58

Yes, because "pasty white" and "white as paste" are common expressions

or not "white as paste", but it's "pasty white" is common

PiIsNot3

20:11

I'm almost in agreement with you, but just to do a little metagaming, is there precedence for "Snow White" cluing PASTE?

user58

I.... don't remember.

PiIsNot3

I remember that clue being played at least once in the past, but can't remember if it was intended for PASTE

caird coinheringaahing

I'm not a massive fan of Paste

Seems a little too far fetched

PiIsNot3

@cairdcoinheringaahing Better than CAST imo

caird coinheringaahing

I guess...

PiIsNot3

20:14

Yeah, I'm currently PASTE ~ WASHINGTON > CAST

caird coinheringaahing

Washington >> Paste = Cast for me

PiIsNot3

Depends on whether you all are more confident about the "Home run" word or the "Snow White" word

caird coinheringaahing

@user58 Any favourite order/word?

user58

PASTE first works

AFK again

caird coinheringaahing

Sure, go ahead

PiIsNot3

20:17

OK, I'll play

Playing PASTE

PASTE

Shiro

PASTE is Yellow (neutral)
It is now Red's turn

Avi

!board

PiIsNot3

Ok, no worries, at least it isn't Red or the assassin

caird coinheringaahing

@PiIsNot3 We're blue

PiIsNot3

Derp

Avi

20:18

Red: Elliptical (2)

DJMcMayhem

@PiIsNot3 When you said that, I just assumed I was blue. You almost threw me off and tricked me in to helping you guys :P

Circle

Right? Circles are a special case of ellipse?

John Dvorak

They are

DJMcMayhem

Pie or revolution

Or maybe even hole?

caird coinheringaahing

According to physics, you can assume that Eagles are elliptical :P

John Dvorak

Hole was my first idea, though I prefer Pie now

DJMcMayhem

20:19

I like pie and revolution more than hole.

(Revolution as in rotation)

Pie is definitely funnier though haha

John Dvorak

I don't think Revolution fits

circle -> pie -> hole?

perhaps push circle back?

DJMcMayhem

@JohnDvorak Yeah, I guess that could be clued with something like "rotation"

I think circle is definitely the best of the ones we've mentioned

John Dvorak

Your call then

DJMcMayhem

Thoughts @rubiks?

John Dvorak

Note: we can't win in one turn even if we play perfectly. It seems our SM is going for 2+2.

I'd go for pie -> hole -> circle

DJMcMayhem

20:23

Hole before circle?

Holes don't have to have any particular shape but circles have to be elliptical

John Dvorak

I suspect "elliptical" may have been given to exclude things that can only be exactly circular

otherwise the clue would have been "round"

DJMcMayhem

Hmm. Aren't pies circular too?

PiIsNot3

@DJMcMayhem No, it's not 2, and it's not 3 either

John Dvorak

I can't see anything that's obviously not circular

"elliptical" could also refer to ellipsis rather than ellipse

Rubiksmoose

hmmmm

DJMcMayhem

20:27

I'm not sure of any words that match ellipsis

Rubiksmoose

I'd go for circle first. That was the most obvious connection and we've already talked about picking circle before.

John Dvorak

hole/mine would be things where something was left out, but - again - there's a much better way to clue the pair.

DJMcMayhem

Like "shaft" for example

John Dvorak

Could be one ellipse and one ellipsis

CIRCLE

Shiro

CIRCLE is Red

Rubiksmoose

20:30

!board

Shiro

John Dvorak

Now, circle/hole could have been "drainage"

I've also been eyeing hook for a while now, but it doesn't really fit

DJMcMayhem

I like pie

Rubiksmoose

That's tough. Hole and Pie are the only good ones I see. Hook is a possibility

DJMcMayhem

(don't we all?)

Rubiksmoose

20:31

lol

John Dvorak

Pie > hole because drainage

and because obviously non-circular pies do exist

El'endia Starman

I have an idea for elliptical but I'll hold on to it until after the game ends. Hopefully I remember to mention it.

John Dvorak

You could just join red, you know ;)

DJMcMayhem

Or you could join our team :P

John Dvorak

PIE

Shiro

20:32

PIE is Blue
When will you learn?
It is now Blue's turn

Rubiksmoose

dang

El'endia Starman

OOOF

DJMcMayhem

Aww dang

PiIsNot3

Nice! I knew that I was Blue at heart!

El'endia Starman

Tough game. Both teams guessed a word on the other team.

John Dvorak

20:33

PiIsNotPie

Rubiksmoose

Hook could technically work though technically not an ellipse.

caird coinheringaahing

@PiIsNot3 Does that mean that 3 is Red?

Rubiksmoose

@PiIsNot3 Definitely should.

Khuldraeseth na'Barya

Blue: Roost (3)

PiIsNot3

@cairdcoinheringaahing Nah, THREE doesn't exist in Pi-land

user58

20:34

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caird coinheringaahing

Eagle

PiIsNot3

EAGLEs roost, yes

Rubiksmoose

Good thing is we can guess it next round easy enough.

user58

EAGLE

Shiro

EAGLE is Blue

PiIsNot3

20:35

Nice and quick :)

user58

!board

PiIsNot3

Um but I don't really see anything else for that

Shiro

user58

BARK, HOOK?

PiIsNot3

To roost is to rest up, but don't see any resting/sleeping words on here

user58

20:35

BARK, YARD?

PiIsNot3

Oh, maybe HOLE?

As in a roost for burrowers?

caird coinheringaahing

We still have Washington and Cast as possible options

user58

@PiIsNot3 :/

PiIsNot3

Why BARK? YARD I can see

user58

tree bark

PiIsNot3

20:36

@cairdcoinheringaahing True, and we can possibly win this if we play our words correctly

!who

Shiro

Blue currently has 3 guesses remaining.

user58

WASHINGTON > BARK > HOOK > YARD > CAST

caird coinheringaahing

I get the feeling that only one of Washington and Cast is Blue, as we haven't had an unlimited clue

PiIsNot3

@user58 True, but aren't nests usually made from sticks and feathers, not bark?

caird coinheringaahing

And I definitely prefer Washington

user58

20:37

@PiIsNot3 Yes, but a nest isn't roosting, is it?

PiIsNot3

@cairdcoinheringaahing Well that probably means there's an overlap between this clue and a previous onee

@user58 It might be, but I'm not a nest or bird expert

caird coinheringaahing

Aren't birds commonly associated with Washington? Cardinals e.g.

El'endia Starman

Washington the state, president, city, college, or...?

PiIsNot3

That'd be a fair bit removed from the original clue

caird coinheringaahing

Idk, just spitballing here

user58

20:39

So... why "roost" instead of "bird"?

PiIsNot3

@user58 Most likely because "Roost" and a previous clue have an overlap that can't be clued by "Bird"

user58

Leaving aside earlier clues for the moment. What could be clued by "roost" here that couldn't be clued by "bird"?

caird coinheringaahing

Paper is often used in nests, but that isn't any more satisfying

PiIsNot3

Well roosting as mentioned is an action that you only do in specific places

John Dvorak

I have a hypothesis, but I won't tell just yet

PiIsNot3

20:42

So that can clue verbs and places

user58

I'm more in favor of YARD now.

PiIsNot3

The only word we've said for more than one clue is YARD

For "Home run" and "Roost"

Which would take WASHINGTON off the table

And leave us with just one more "Snow White" word, which could be CAST

caird coinheringaahing

Washington > Yard > Bark = Paper > Cast = Hook

user58

@cairdcoinheringaahing I roughly agree with this, except BARK over PAPER

caird coinheringaahing

Should we guess for Washington first?

PiIsNot3

20:45

I'd actually put YARD over WASHINGTON at this point

user58

@PiIsNot3 Hmm, alright.

caird coinheringaahing

I'm good with that

PiIsNot3

Again, I'm working off the theory that "Roost" connects with a different clue

If WASHINGTON were Blue, that would limit the possible connections we can make

user58

YARD > BARK > WASHINGTON

Hmm... PAPER could also be "snow white".

John Dvorak

Ping me when it's my turn

caird coinheringaahing

20:46

Guess Yard first?

PiIsNot3

Is there a possible overlap between "Roost" and "Snow White?

@user58 Maybe PAPER can work for "Roost" too?

caird coinheringaahing

Snow White sleeps, doesn't she? But I think that's it

user58

@PiIsNot3 Reaaalllyyy tenuous.

PiIsNot3

Yeah, def worse than the YARD connection

caird coinheringaahing

Can we decide on a first choice?

PiIsNot3

20:48

Maybe there's a connection between "Home run" and "Snow White" that we missed

But I'm OK with playing YARD first

user58

YARD > BARK > PAPER > WASHINGTON > CAST > HOOK

caird coinheringaahing

YARD

Shiro

YARD is Blue

caird coinheringaahing

Nice

PiIsNot3

Phewwww

user58

20:48

!board

Shiro

caird coinheringaahing

Long walk for a short drink of water :P

John Dvorak

the seven dwarves worked in concert with each other

PiIsNot3

@cairdcoinheringaahing Nothing in Codenames is ever short

caird coinheringaahing

@PiIsNot3 I once guessed the assassin withing 30 seconds of Shiro announcing the teams :P

PiIsNot3

20:50

So that (most likely) takes care of "Home run", so we're left with one for "Snow White" and one for "Roost"

Khuldraeseth na'Barya

@cairdcoinheringaahing I thought I was the only one :(

user58

!who

Shiro

Blue currently has 2 guesses remaining.

PiIsNot3

@cairdcoinheringaahing That's probably not on you though, most likely the SM gave a bad clue

caird coinheringaahing

So, what are our best options now?

El'endia Starman

20:51

@cairdcoinheringaahing In an IRL game, we had someone guess the assassin at the end of the game. Like, one or two words away from winning IIRC.

PiIsNot3

CAST and PAPER were thrown around for "Snow White"

caird coinheringaahing

@PiIsNot3 Very short game though, no matter whose fault it was :P

user58

Why does YARD cover "home run"?

PiIsNot3

@cairdcoinheringaahing The game is short, but the agony stays with you forever

Avi

last two games I've won, the other team guessed the assassin

PiIsNot3

20:52

@user58 I'm not entirely sure either, we threw it around originally. My best guess is that baseball can be played in backyards, thus home runs are super common?

user58

YARD is a measure of distance.

PiIsNot3

Unless there's a better connection between "Roost" and "Snow White", I believe that YARD was the overlapping word

user58

Does anyone here follow baseball? Are yards commonly used as a measure of distance there?

PiIsNot3

Home run distance is canonically measured in feet though

caird coinheringaahing

@user58 It's American, so I'd guess so

user58

20:54

@PiIsNot3 Hmmm. So I'm not taking WASHINGTON off the back burner quite yet.

PAPER or BARK is probably the next guess.

DJMcMayhem

@cairdcoinheringaahing That's not a great reason :P

PiIsNot3

@user58 Sure, but again, that would require a good overlapping word between "Roost" and "Snow White"

Unless our SM didn't mean for overlaps to occur...

DJMcMayhem

To me as an American, the only context where "yards" are a natural unit is American Football

user58

Unless, say, PIE was the other "snow white" word.

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem Good point, isn't distance measured in football fields per square cheeseburgers across the pond? :P

user58

20:55

@DJMcMayhem You're red

DJMcMayhem

Sorry

I don't know anything about yards for measurement in baseball

caird coinheringaahing

Paper works for Roost and Snow White, I guess

John Dvorak

Pro-tip: if you use yards everywhere and call them meters, you'll be better off than insisting on using feet

PiIsNot3

Snow White -> apple -> apple pie? It's a degree removed though

user58

That did cross my mind.

And my last white suggestion for "snow white" didn't go very well...

...then again, PLAY was red for the clue "home run".

So what are our options and why?

PiIsNot3

20:59

@user58 So you're saying the more non-obvious the connection, the more likely it is to be right?

user58

*shrugs*

El'endia Starman

Flip a coin and pray.

PiIsNot3

CAST and PAPER were suggested for "Snow White"

caird coinheringaahing

I think we've considered Yard, Paper, Washington, Bark, Cast, Hole, and Hook

user58

We have PAPER - for "snow white" and possibly "roost". It's (generally) white, and used in nests.

PiIsNot3

20:59

HOLE, BARK, and PAPER were suggested for "Roost"

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