The Restaurant at the End of the Universe

Adamant

06:14

@mithrandir - I'd have asked a moderator about deleted comments.

Mithrandir

I don't think it's worth bugging a mod every time I want to reopen a question about checking for deleted comments.

Adamant

06:29

@mithrandir - in the case of story ID, yes, it is.

For the obvious reason.

Edlothiad

06:51

I don't think it's worth opening all these story id reopen votes when the OP isn't going to come back and accept or confirm the question and they are almost always word for word identical

Mithrandir

07:27

@Adamant I've reopened a couple dozen questions the last couple days, I don't think our mods would appreciate it so much if I bugged them ;)

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09:41

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Marvin

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Q: Can I ask for titles of background music in some particular movie?

I don't know if this is allowed. I want to ask background music because I don't know their title or the original version since it is played instrumentally.

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Zaphod

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Q: How long have the Inhumans inhabited the moon in TV show?

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Marvin

12:19

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Q: The music of the tags

The tag music (99 questions) has the following tag wiki excerpt (and no tag wiki): Refers to musical themes, cues, or scores present in works of science fiction. Usually used in relation to film or tv series. In practice, the tag seems to have been used for at least three different types of...

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Mithrandir

12:38

@Edlothiad @FuzzyBoots please don't VTD spam

Edlothiad

12:52

@Mithrandir My primary concern with spam is getting rid of it asap, if it needs a custom flag for a moderator to then undelete and redelete from a mod I can ping one or raise a flag later.

Mithrandir

13:06

@Edlothiad but that shouldn't be.

If it's deleted not via flags then the spam consequences will not take effect.

Edlothiad

I know

Hence why the mods can handle that. Deleting it hides it from the majority of users. Mods can deal with it after it's gone from most eyes.

Mithrandir

I've been meaning to ping @Null about this as well, as I've seen him multiple times manually deleting spam instead of flagging as spam to delete it.

Edlothiad

For all I know it'll take just as long for the community to delete it via flags as it will for a mod to come along and be like "yep, undelete, re-delete none's the wise"

Mithrandir

@Edlothiad nah

Edlothiad

What do you mean "nah"? everything there is a fact

Mithrandir

13:09

I mean 'nah, I don't agree with the philosophy of making the mods undelete/redelete'.

Most things should be able to be taken care of without the mods on the site.

Moderators are human exception handlers, not the ones who are supposed to deal with every individual detail of keeping the site clean.

</speech from a spam obsessed mod>

It just causes more work for everyone involved.

Edlothiad

@Mithrandir It being deleted and not hidden sounds like an exception to me.

"everyone involved" the 3 delete voters and the 1 mod.

Mithrandir

@Edlothiad first off, if you flag as spam and delete it via votes it'll be hidden but the IP block and whatnot won't kick in

@Edlothiad lot of extra work for questionable benefit

I'd say negative benefit, i.e harm

Edlothiad

Because 20k+ users are only 0.117...% of users that can flag for deletion, it's far more likely that it will be flagged and dealt with that way. If it's deleted by 3 20k users, it's a case of opportunity cost. If the delete happens quicker than the spam flags, it's hidden from the majority of users (0.997875844%). On that off-chance, a mod can be made aware and then deal with it. Either-way you're guaranteeing it to be hidden from 0.998% of the community, the mods can undelete and delete

IF mods deleting it as spam don't cause the IP block and what not, then obviously that's an issue, and should be made more obvious to the common user. But, as far as I'm aware it's logical that it does.

Mithrandir

Manually deleting it does not cause any effects on the author of the spam. This applies to both moderators and 20kers.

If it's deleted via flags - whether that's six user flags or one mod flag - those penalties kick in.

Edlothiad

So there's no option for a moderator to go "this is spam, I'll delete it as spam" it has to have 5 spam flags otherwise it won't be deleted?

@Mithrandir So the mod can undelete and raise one mod flag, done

6 seconds of work

Mithrandir

13:24

But why have that work necessary?

Edlothiad

And the question has already been hidden from 99.8% of the community

Mithrandir

That's not the point.

Why is hiding it so important?

Edlothiad

@Edlothiad Thats 99.78...% not 0.9978% obviously

Mithrandir

I'm more concerned with preventing them from posting it again.

Edlothiad

Hiding it is literally the whole point.

Mithrandir

13:25

No, it's not.

Edlothiad

Blocking them from posting in the next second?

Mithrandir

Deleting it as spam is the point.

Edlothiad

This is more of an issue with the system then it is with me casting delete votes like I'm "supposed" to do.

@Mithrandir If they were really that keen to spam, then they would just use a vpn to get past whatever IP ban (if that's how technology works, I don't really know)

Whereas hiding the advertisements from the user so they don't have their effect, +1

Mithrandir

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Q: Should we vote to delete spam posts?

If a post accumulates six spam flags, it will be automatically deleted, and its content hidden even from users with the “see deleted posts” privilege (10k+ on regular sites, 2k+ on beta sites). In addition, this will provide helpful data for the network’s spam-detection filters. On the other ha...

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Edlothiad

Does advertising smokey count as spam :thinking:

Mithrandir

13:32

Nah, Ed isn't affiliated with the project

Edlothiad

I know I'm not, I meant the post

(rimshot.jpg)

FuzzyBoots

@Mithrandir Noted. I learned something. :)

Mithrandir

@FuzzyBoots :D

Edlothiad

13:54

@FuzzyBoots You did that all wrong. You're meant to argue.

xkcd

14:20

NO DRAMA ZONE -> If I've made you sad, you'd better not tell me, because I am TERRIFIED of that situation and have NO IDEA how to handle it.

FuzzyBoots

@Edlothiad ^_^ I'm conflict-averse.

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Rand al'Thor

14:34

@Mithrandir Yeah, I know you're a spam-obsessed mod. Doesn't mean you have to push that obsession onto everyone else.

This is a common thing with Charcoal people: coming in to tell communities or even mods that they're doing it wrong because you have this obsession with getting rid of spam AS FAST AND THOROUGHLY AS POSSIBLE!!!!!

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Yes, it's slightly better to nuke spam via flags than manually delete it. But manually deleting it still has the main desired effect, getting it off the site, and SE won't collapse if the occasional spammer doesn't have their IP blocked quickly enough.

I normally go on a sweep every once in a while and destroy all the users who've spammed recently anyway.

FuzzyBoots

15:03

@Edlothiad: Not to make fun of you, but I was amused seeing your deleted "answer" at scifi.stackexchange.com/a/173237/23243. I'm pretty sure I've done that before myself.

Edlothiad

@FuzzyBoots The table is no longer one solid board of wood

I wondered when the comment box had gotten so big

Rand al'Thor

TBH the answer you commented on is better than the top answer.

Edlothiad

Are you assuming I voted?

Rand al'Thor

... no? I didn't say anything about you or your votes.

Edlothiad

I know, hence why I asked

If you had I'd have known you were assuming I voted ;)

Tim E. Lord

15:53

The f*ck happened here with all the stars

You pushed all the previous floofs down

~~Thank you, actually~~

Rand al'Thor

@TimE.Lord I tend to unstar floofs as well as unpinning them once the day is over.

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Tim E. Lord

@Randal'Thor You monster

Rand al'Thor

Because it's usually the same person posting them and starring them, so it would amount to someone starring themselves.

Tim E. Lord

It's not my fault no one else understands what a floof looks like

M&TV Feeds

17:19

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RobertF

17:34

Exciting news about the mysterious new chamber (chambers?) discovered in the Great Pyramid of Giza. My guess: it's the room where the ancient Stargate lies buried. :-)

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Tim E. Lord

18:08

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Adamant

With respect to this, I don’t think it’s science fiction or fantasy, precisely.

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Q: Character With Weird Last Name Harassed by Substitute Teacher

I would like to remember the name of a story, which I believe was possibly a young-adult novel. The main (female) character (1st-person narration?) has some bizarre, new-age-sounding name, possibly "India Ink" (totally un-Google-able, possibly a surname, with a normal-ish first name). One day, ...

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M&TV Feeds

18:36

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Q: Does Thor lose certain powers without his hammer?

When Thor loses his hammer, he believes he is no longer as strong as he was because he lost his powers as the God Of Thunder. Odin comes to him in a vision (twice) and shows that the hammer "was to focus his power". We first see that Thor has the powers of thunder within him when he was being ba...

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18:52

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Q: Would we enjoy new Thor offering after watching earlier film in series?

We plan to go see the new Thor movie -- Ragnarok (2017). Would we get more out of this film by first watching one or more of the previous films in the series? (I'm not asking if the 2017 film works as a stand-alone film, I'm asking if we'd appreciate the recent film more if we had already watch...

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Tim E. Lord

20:50

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