The Great Debate

Roland Taylor

17:00

(we all know that is not true, but a little humour was need there)

Jonathan Sampson

I've got to go. Take care all :)

It was a pleasure speaking with you.

Roland Taylor

cya @JonathanSampson and tyvm

Stefano Palazzo

@JonathanSampson that's what I'm trying to explain: anything else would be preposterous. And you need evidence for it before you can even say it

> Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

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Roland Taylor

@StefanoPalazzo I will star that one too :)

evolution lacks this evidence from the get go.

dv3500ea

It has evidence

Roland Taylor

17:01

no it doesn't. It has supporters who claim evidence.

dv3500ea

Such as the observed evolution of bacteria in hospitals leading to MRSA etc.

Stefano Palazzo

I will take the time to lay out all of the evidence for evolution if needs must, but it'd be much easier if you read the book I recommended ;)

and quicker I'm sure

Roland Taylor

Like poking gene changes at fruit flies and claiming it proves evolution to be true.

@StefanoPalazzo since this all hinges on the Bible (which your Bible were given) why don't you read it?

dv3500ea

That is not the only piece of evidence but it is an example

Why does this hinge on the Bible?

Roland Taylor

Apart from spiritual significance, it is your heritage by history.

Stefano Palazzo

17:03

@RolandTaylor I have read a bunch of it like I say, but I don't think I need to read the whole thing to get a good picture

Roland Taylor

@dv3500ea you were not a part of the start of the convo :P

@StefanoPalazzo how recently have you read it?

Stefano Palazzo

You are not saying I need to read it all before I can engage in an intellectual debate, are you?

Roland Taylor

I'm sure you beat your philosophy books over and over to get a good grip on them.

Stefano Palazzo

@RolandTaylor very recently. I was not interested in religion at all as a boy

Roland Taylor

Why not do the same for the Bible?

You could read the whole thing, but you don't need to.

M. Night Shyamalan

17:04

@RolandTaylor because it is depressing

Roland Taylor

Read a substantial bit of it, and see if you can find all the errors, then you have ammunition to use.

And check up the history of it.

Stefano Palazzo

@RolandTaylor I have read substantial portions of it

Roland Taylor

Not from wikipedia, but from real sources.

Stefano Palazzo

I have four of them as well, just to be safe :)

dv3500ea

Wikipedia is a better source than the bible

Roland Taylor

17:04

@StefanoPalazzo yes, but you can't quote it and use it back on me, now can you?

I'm just telling you, get to know it a bit better, then come and use it against me :).

Stefano Palazzo

And a few Qur'ans

M. Night Shyamalan

@RolandTaylor you know wikipedia requires original sources ?

Roland Taylor

I'd be more than happy for you to try it :).

Bleh Qur'an...

seriously...

Stefano Palazzo

okay stop for a minute

@Roland can we continue talking before I read the whole thing?

Roland Taylor

@MNightShyamalan with all due respect, stop that.

@StefanoPalazzo sure, any time :)

Stefano Palazzo

17:06

it's a big book, and I don't have the time to read it - not if I tried

Roland Taylor

I was about to go back to my writing btw...

@StefanoPalazzo Well then use the method the Bible suggests...

Stefano Palazzo

that's too bad

Roland Taylor

read here a little, there a little...

Stefano Palazzo

like I said, that's what I did

Roland Taylor

@StefanoPalazzo I'm honestly not running, it's just that I've spent very long on AU today :P

Stefano Palazzo

17:07

yeah I should really get back to work too

Roland Taylor

we will continue again - it's rather fun and interesting :D

Stefano Palazzo

It's just, you've made some pretty flimsy points and I'm all geared up ;)

Roland Taylor

@StefanoPalazzo so did you ;)

dv3500ea

Well it's tea time for me. Happy solstice everyone! :)

Roland Taylor

<3

>:)

Stefano Palazzo

17:08

@dv3500ea by the way, you're the first one making the scientists case here, besides myself

Roland Taylor

@StefanoPalazzo pretty unusual isn't it?

I'm a scientist too, btw.

Just I'm a Christian :)

M. Night Shyamalan

@RolandTaylor in what field ?

Stefano Palazzo

@RolandTaylor well, it's a self-selected group, so no extrapolation allowed ;)

Roland Taylor

@MNightShyamalan common sense ;)

Stefano Palazzo

@RolandTaylor yeah in what field? I didn't know that

Roland Taylor

17:09

joking

Stefano Palazzo

ah

well then, see you all later. very nice talking to you as always

Roland Taylor

@StefanoPalazzo I was heading for microbiology when I was at university - but then I stopped on that path, so right now my interest is computers :P- but for most of my life I've been beating the books on everything I could get my hands on (physics, biology, chemistry, palaeontology <--- <3).

I was joking about the common sense part (when I said joking).

@StefanoPalazzo same! cya ^^!

M. Night Shyamalan

yesterday, by George Edison

That violates the second law of thermodynamics.

Roland Taylor

@MNightShyamalan you remind me a bit of my self at 14, except I was a Christian by then, and a lot less argumentative ;)...

anyways... I'm out :)

M. Night Shyamalan

-5

Q: Does the second law of thermodynamics contradict the theory of evolution?

I was reading about the Law of Thermodynamics, and the Second Law of Thermodynamics really interested me because the Law apparently stated that in any isolated system, the entropy of that system will increase. Entropy, is the amount of energy not available for useful work. It can also be measur...

@RolandTaylor ad hominem

Stefano Palazzo

17:13

@MNightShyamalan I'd hope Roland know about the many efforts to debunk this idea. It's rather well known

M. Night Shyamalan

instead of trying to reply to my posts you just try to highlight my age

Stefano Palazzo

but we didn't get to discuss it (I.e. he didn't have a chance to clarify)

without any context, I'd say it's obviously nonsense

Roland Taylor

20:12

@MNightShyamalan I'm not just highlighting your age. I'm telling you to act more mature for it. No offence... but you can be a bit hard to have a conversation with.

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