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74. Archway, 2051 bytes #16 "}(o+?23!@- "/*\Dv;'[af2.q]PkPPX)\('#CO"14";*/ #/*0|7//```"` )[-'][(>77*,;68*,@;'1,@1011)(22)S ␉\4n;␉␉␉(1P''53'S^'????!?!??!??!!!!???!?!??!!?!?!!!!!?!!!!?????!????????????????????!) (qx #>␉ # 36!@␉` # #_>++++.>++++++::@---x---.+? #`<` #<]}}+<[<<.>>x>-]>[ #{ #x} #2""...

Potato44

How do i add code blocks in my answer?

Also how do fix the formatting in the interpreter list?

MD XF

@Potato44 It doesn't work with Morse

Potato44

How to fix?

MD XF

I'm looking into it

the interpreter is space-delimited

Potato44

x is a safe character for most languages, right?

MD XF

19:22

This seems to fix it

https://tio.run/##zVtLd9tIdl4bf2E2ZZBtACIBEKQkS@JDkm1p4p72SLFkO6dJWoZAkISFVwOgSFmmT7bJyWL2s8ly/sds8yvmj3S@WwU@JFJyd05yTmgRKKBu1X3Wvbdu0Zd2Ovz11wJ92Gnk3wz8KGOZm2asl3jXbmKwFzfswPbSrWpNkjhUEvVGjhcOWDZ0mRfGo4z1Pd9NJcfOWIvF@SwGNViBJa7dE2BSP0oYDWHBlc885sQxu/TtoeEw3wPscWUH8GkUEEzmJnHi4pqy0HV7LI1dx@t7DsfF3EnmhqkXhanBPOeKjT3fZz3Xx4AFAU4Zk7FRuvRKoDOkXiQxfJz4Hrnzp6ILmNCdsezGdsJZjljM@Z9xPk7sOAaRUoGdgfDMC9yUeZmSMtdOPZIjhqRu2OPSiucSjpgdLnPJrj2b2aB3lPC5UzfJwJ7B52VDN3ExpU3IB4kdMHWceBlEQMI8ZKeunbDzxHU1YIES3NSxY9BxByWQRYQhI0YMrqxGQzk6OVagNDHCsONMKiS183/@UbKZ0WTFizq@TVmuS0d/fsVuix1qgwpMBsXGiWprrPmNpWan4@I7sS7…

does that work with Archway?

It works with everything on Tio

Also saves a byte

Potato44

Changes incident tokens

MD XF

:I

Potato44

That is why the space was in there

Try with an x

MD XF

Okay

Holy crap that tokenizes about eight things

Potato44

Making it an x?

MD XF

19:27

Yeah

Potato44

Looks fine to me with an x

MD XF

Really?

Oh wait maybe it was my memescript code

Yeah nvm you're fine

just switch it to an x, you're good

...or not

that borks it too

@WheatWizard Can you test with Incident?

https://tio.run/##zVtLd9tIdl4bf2E2ZZBtACIBEKQkS@JDkm1p4p72SLFkO6dJWoZAkISFVwOgSFmmT7bJyWL2s8ly/sds8yvmj3S@WwU@JFJyd05yTmgRKKBu1X3Wvbdu0Zd2Ovz11wJ92Gnk3wz8KGOZm2asl3jXbmKwFzfswPbSrWpNkjhUEvVGjhcOWDZ0mRfGo4z1Pd9NJcfOWIvF@SwGNViBJa7dE2BSP0oYDWHBlc885sQxu/TtoeEw3wPscWUH8GkUEEzmJnHi4pqy0HV7LI1dx@t7DsfF3EnmhqkXhanBPOeKjT3fZz3Xx4AFAU4Zk7FRuvRKoDOkXiQxfJz4Hrnzp6ILmNCdsezGdsJZjljM@Z9xPk7sOAaRUoGdgfDMC9yUeZmSMtdOPZIjhqRu2OPSiucSjpgdLnPJrj2b2aB3lPC5UzfJwJ7B52VDN3ExpU3IB4kdMHWceBlEQMI8ZKeunbDzxHU1YIES3NSxY9BxByWQRYQhI0YMrqxGQzk6OVagNDHCsONMKiS183/@UbKZ0WTFizq@TVmuS0d/fsVuix1qgwpMBsXGiWprrPmNpWan4@I7sS7…

I don't see why it would work but if his did...

Wheat Wizard

Doesn't work

MD XF

@WheatWizard Can you check the code in potato's answer?

Potato44

Yeah, and help with formatting would be helpful too

MD XF

19:34

@Potato44 backticks around inline code blocks

Four spaces before code if it's on its own line

Potato44

Ah, . Becomes a token in that

I'll try adding an x at the end

MD XF

Okay

Just make sure there are no dot-dash-combos with whitespace around them

Potato44

@MDXF you added an extra space at the end of archway

MD XF

Ohh

Potato44

Can someone make a tio link without it since i'm on mobile so cant paste it here

Potato44

19:51

@WheatWizard can you check incident in my current answer?

Didnt end up adding an x, just removed the extra space

I got the tio link in the post, annoying that you cant shift-enter on mobile

MD XF

I think it works

Wheat Wizard

@Potat Works

Potato44

@WheatWizard thanks, I think we are all good now

MD XF

20:13

Okay I somehow shoved the 0mo token wayyy back

Potato44

@MDXF which 0m

MD XF

I forgot, I've been shifting my code around since I sent that

What does Alphuck care about?

Wheat Wizard

a couple of lowercase letters

its on the esolangs page

MD XF

Oh yeah

Where's the Alphuck code?

Wheat Wizard

don't know

there's a lot of pieces of it in different places

MD XF

20:29

Oh :I

Haha that's hilarious. what the frick frack doesn't cause any problems with Alphuck because it increments the pointer, increments the value, decrements the value then decrements the pointer.

SnoringFrog

20:41

alphuck reads every character, we just hide some in loops so they're not executed

the bulk of it is interleaved with the evil code

stasoid

21:01

Here is a link to test incident online.
https://tio.run/##7b3JdhtJsii4Bn7hbVxgpoiRAsBBFEFSSQ1ZqVdSikekKusWhWQFgCAZJKaMCJBUKpmrPu@d3vVwTvfmfUT3pj@of6TaBh9jAEFKyqrb94piEPBwNzc3Nzc3Nzc373nR2T/@0fdisSumk@HH0@EkLvr9s4kofdMqQWIw7gcDfxyv9FVyG5PjyYU/Dn71Q0g/7fdFY6Jz2kXkK53bKbfySBdxqubHyiNTqvRNeVtlqZT@8Y@l1oYQpZvypPa0vfrgu4YoPap@eHHZWT7yTtorv3T3L/b3/1r5UF5eev621FordaqPikuPqs3fHj969Pe//730dyEqR43l7lF59/Hjar2zsVmtf9dZbtW/azVbrUq53a4ciMKHtXGnUCiUW/vLy@urywc/Lz@Ffw/gh/7DP/0Vnw8oRSZTlvS/BxVR/uW6uLRbKC6J1Y0H3xX@XlwqLh3v1uDfCj1rta2t7xqNxjX8rtSeFpf@vg15trs3N7Xto@3tld3d691Gd/eouPSpuHR9U1xql7D11eLSzvX2OwJw9EJ…

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Chance

:O

@stasoid well done!!!

stasoid

thx

MD XF

That's amazing

Chance

I wonder if we should just embed this in the test driver.

Is there a downside to bloating up the link size?

stasoid

i don't know
i thought about it too

MD XF

21:06

@Chance YES

The link is already so huge

Chance

but what if it was huger?

MD XF

It would lag even more

Making it nearly impossible to actually edit the answer

Chance

it seems to run pretty fast actually

stasoid

probably should add request to tio to add short links
also, ais523 mentioned he wanted to get rid of dependency on libdivsufsort, that would decrease source size significantly

@ais523 Can we change interpreters? I am thinking of passing [this interpreter](https://metacpan.org/pod/Language::SNUSP)
as an argument to test driver to test snusp on tio. Smth like this:
https://tio.run/##zTzLdttKcuuLX5hNC@Q1AJEACOphSSApybY88Yx9pVh@zLkkLUNgk4SFlwFQJC3TJ9vkZDH72WQ5X5AfmG2@Yn7kpqobLz4k35tMzgklEY3u6q7qenV1NaBrKx7/8ksFP@QicOcjN0hIQuOEDCLnlkYaeTInJ5YT7zV3BIFBRcFgYjv@iCRjShw/nCRk6Lg0FmwrIR0SpqNoWCAVElFrwMGEYRAR7EK8G5c4xA5Dcu1aY80mrsNg48DD9oRGYUThOyY@pQMSh9R2ho7N8BA6S6gfO4Efa8Sxb8jUcV0yoC50KJDbdRiMTOJSFUelCYNAIPCxwxVS87sqBRifZtOloRWx6QYkZHPPZj2NrDAEIoUKuQTCE8ejMXESKSbUih3kIXSJq…

ais523

21:37

@stasoid I think we agreed that changing interps is OK as long as you could make the change retroactively without breaking previous programs

actually I'll edit that into the post

stasoid

Does this apply to interpreters that were created after challenge started?
Ie. can I port surface interpreter to some other language and run it on tio? (as long as all previous programs work)

ais523

no, it doesn't

that said, newer interpreters are OK for quick testing as long as the older interpreter still works

like, we often write new interps for TIO in order to get a good idea of whether a program's likely to work

then just check manually once when we're done

stasoid

@ais523 Ok, then what about adding new surface interpreter to tio, but keep the link to original interpreter in the post?

ais523

that sounds like a good idea

stasoid

@ais523 I added link above that runs incident on tio, do you think it should be incorporated in test driver? Url size is a big concern - increased from 7K to 32K.

SnoringFrog

21:49

@stasoid That's more or less what we do with alphuck (although we haven't kept the link handy in the posts, I've kept our 'official' compiler installed). We kinda threw together a quick alphuck-to-bf transpiler and use that to check things.

ais523

@stasoid I'd say no; you might want to suggest it to Dennis, though, he's wanted an Incident impl on TIO for a while but couldn't find an interp that worked

so you could probably just get the relevant files onto TIO's filesystem

stasoid

@ais523 ok

ais523

my suggestion is to wrap everything up into a single executable that prints the tokenisation to stderr

before running

MD XF

@stasoid short links feature-request

stasoid

@SnoringFrog probably it should be mentioned in the answer

Potato44

21:54

Which ones of us are currently working on an answer?

stasoid

@MDXF oh, that is great

Chance

I'm playing with golfing Archway

Potato44

I've worked out how to split trefunge from both befunges without breaking anything but prelude and cubix

Would still need to wrote the meat of the trefunge answer thpogh

ais523

printing a constant in trefunge is pretty easy

Potato44

@chance maybe a multiline loop with some kind of loop counter

The line 2 below the current archway is safe for archway as long as you put a # before it

Yeah, i just need to find where have a line that the trefunge wont interfere and i can pit a formfeed on the previous line

Does the tio befunge interpreter support trefunge or not?

ais523

22:00

it doesn't even really support befunge correctly, it's a notoriously buggy one (although IIRC it's improved somewhat in recent years)

Potato44

Really? i was referring to the befunge 98 interprter btw

Luke

@ais523 what syntax highlighter do you use for Indicent?

ais523

@Luke incilite, which is included in the official Incident distribution

it can output as HTML or VT100

Luke

Do you have a link?

Googling gives me phone cases...

MD XF

Me too

ais523

22:05

it's in the official interpreter tarball, which is linked from the wiki page on Incident

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Esolang's the normal place to look for esolang implementations and tools

Chance

@Potato44 will the Archway IP wrap around around to line 1 if i direct it down?

Potato44

@Chance no, sending it off the board is how you end the program

Chance

22:32

https://tio.run/##zVvLdttIkl0bv9CbNMgyAJEACFKSJfEhybbU4@pyS2PJdp8iaRkCQRIWXgWAImWZPrOdObPofW9m2f/R2/mK/pGaG5ngQyIlV52ZxdAikEBGZjwzIjKSvrTT4a@/FujDTiP/ZuBHGcvcNGO9xLt2E4O9uGEHtpduVWuSxKGSqDdyvHDAsqHLvDAeZazv@W4qOXbGWizOZzGowQosce2eAJP6UcJoCAuufOYxJ47ZpW8PDYf5HmCPKzuAT6OAYDI3iRMX15SFrttjaew6Xt9zOC7mTjI3TL0oTA3mOVds7Pk@67k@BiwIcMqYjI3SpVcCnSH1Ionh48T3yJ0/FV3AhO6MZTe2E85yxGLO/4zzcWLHMYiUCuwMhGde4KbMy5SUuXbqkRwxJHXDHpdWPJdwxOxwmUt27dnMBr2jhM@dukkG9gw@Lxu6iYspbUI@SOyAqePEyyACEuYhO3XthJ0nrqsBC5Tgpo4dg447KIEsIgwZMWJwZTUaytHJsQKliRGGHWdSIamd/@uPks2MJite1PFtynJdOvrzK3Zb7FAbVGAyKDZOVFtjzW8sNTsdF9@JdWk…

@Potato44 wanna try that ^

Potato44

@Chance give me 15 min

@Chance haven't run yet, but looks like your on iteration short by visually looking

Chance

@Potato44 are you counting the one + on the last line?

I could be off tho. that sounds like something I'd do.

I was aiming for 7*7+3

Potato44

22:50

Remember it decrements after adding the 3

@chance so we would have to enter at 8 to do 7 full loops and a partial

MD XF

This makes 2-dimensional languages sound way more complex than they actually are

Chance

yeah, enter at 8 is probably the way to go.

https://tio.run/##zVvLdttIkl0bv9CbNMgyAJEACFKSJfEhybbU4@pyS2PJdp8iaRkCQRIWXgWAImWZPrOdObPofW9m2f/R2/mK/pGaG5ngQyIlV52ZxdAikEBGZjwzIjKSvrTT4a@/FujDTiP/ZuBHGcvcNGO9xLt2E4O9uGEHtpduVWuSxKGSqDdyvHDAsqHLvDAeZazv@W4qOXbGWizOZzGowQosce2eAJP6UcJoCAuufOYxJ47ZpW8PDYf5HmCPKzuAT6OAYDI3iRMX15SFrttjaew6Xt9zOC7mTjI3TL0oTA3mOVds7Pk@67k@BiwIcMqYjI3SpVcCnSH1Ionh48T3yJ0/FV3AhO6MZTe2E85yxGLO/4zzcWLHMYiUCuwMhGde4KbMy5SUuXbqkRwxJHXDHpdWPJdwxOxwmUt27dnMBr2jhM@dukkG9gw@Lxu6iYspbUI@SOyAqePEyyACEuYhO3XthJ0nrqsBC5Tgpo4dg447KIEsIgwZMWJwZTUaytHJsQKliRGGHWdSIamd/@uPks2MJite1PFtynJdOvrzK3Zb7FAbVGAyKDZOVFtjzW8sNTsdF9@JdWk…

updated

Potato44

23:08

@Chance will test in a minute, just got to work out how to get from tio on my phone to my laptop

Chance

I tend to put tio links in my PPCG profile. :P

Potato44

My latop has no internet, so i have to save it to file than transfer, which im working out at the moment

Potato44

23:33

@Chance you forgot to > after the loop, the counter needs to be 8 on entry to the loop

Chance

23:52

oh yeah, thanks

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