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@stoicfury I have been wondering for a while, is there a political model that appeals to reason and not to popularity? In the law system, you have judges that reason evidence and give a verdict; though it is still somewhat biased, I feel it could improved a modern, truly free, society.
(Sorry, it is an open question.)
01:00
I am not sure, however I believe the idiology is called Rational Government based on this text published in the '06 describing the issue: worldproutassembly.org/archives/2006/11/a_new_form_of_g.html
Maybe also Epistemocracy which is ruled by people with epistemic humility.(Which I still do not fully understand) Apparently, it is dealt with on utopian fantasies.
Kritarchy is a state governed by judges.
Anybody here? ):
Hey @fabianhrj :)
I think @stoicfury might be out in the world; I have actually got to head that way soon myself
Ah crap, I wished I had a life outside the academics. :/
But your question is pretty interesting I think; in Plato his Republic clearly serves as an example of a sort of pure meritocracy where reason would at least be taken into account
I have not gotten myself to read Plato yet, do you suggest a translation? I was getting started with MIT's classics.
The Myth of the Cave
Right; the problem with judgment/kritarchy might also be investigated with Kant -- the critical philosophy "par excellence" as it were
The cave metaphor belongs with this in an interesting way that I am afraid I do not have the time to unpack here (or concentration, I am exhausted -- have been travelling for seven hours or so)
01:17
Don't worry, I still have plenty to do. Some Computer Graphic Stuff, Spanish Report on the 95, Social Studies project to deliver on monday.
Perhaps suffice to say that the question of utopia may conceal a deeper and "tragicomic" problem of illumination -- Nietzsche/Spinoza, Levinas and Deleuze should also be considered here
@fabianhjr definitely read the Alan Bloom translation. I read that one and I loved it
We could have a discussion later on. Just send me a message
Ok thanks, I will take a look into it.
Sounds great -- I will review my library and see which translation I have got of the Republic; I can also try to ask around
I can confirm I have heard good things about the Alan Bloom as well :)
I wonder if a system like Stack Exchange could be used for a government
01:25
I was trying to hold general assemblies here for awhile :) we didn't have enough participation to make it worth it. If chat volume picks up I might try to kick it off again!
Do you have documentation on the attempt? I would be interested on reading about it
There were a few posts on meta. There was only one that was run with any semblance of formal participatory consensus stuff. If you are interested I would be happy to put together some notes and links to the relevant chat logs on meta here soon.
I would be interested, thanks Joseph.
Not at all; I should have done it before anyway. Take care, man
You too, I am in GMT-6 and normally check SE between 6 AM trough 10 PM
02:18
@fabianhjr Also I just recalled that the Alan Bloom translation of the Republic comes with a massive (~200 page) analytical essay at the end by Alan Bloom himself (a student of Leo Strauss, I think), and that should help you with the reading a lot.
02:36
Ok, thanks a lot!
:)
02:57
So, anything going on?
 
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@JosephWeissman you are back, want to small talk?
I love coffee! :D
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Coffee is pretty great :)
05:12
Indeed it is
Though, how much is too much? Currently I drink about of 2 Espressos/day
s/of//
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I have returned to the digital information superhighway
@fabianhjr - re: political model that appeals to reason
Nothing rings a bell, but I suppose I'm somewhat confused because I'm pretty sure all political models are they way they are because they are reasoned to be the best way to govern; e.g. democracy is not just supposed to be a popularity contest, but the underlying argument is that the most reasonable system is one that allows a (fair) popular vote
 
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I can't get my gravatar to work for some reason >:{
I just have to put my email address right? its not working for some reason :(
maybe it takes a bit to update?
looks like your default picture has changed though
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@Outlier looks like it worked to me :)
 
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yeahhhh it worked :)
 
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@stoicfury Well, I am researching still. However, it is what you would call a meritocracy.
ahh yes, I recall reading about that before
I can see how that's what you meant before :)
So basically you cannot, or should not, become a politician if you have no credentials in sociology, economics or other relevant field.
Yes, I am uncomfortable due to the current political situation in Mexico
in my opinion, philosophy too
(Or any other relevant field)
yeah what's going on there? I saw this on reddit: i.imgur.com/HqR8X.jpg
23:16
There is a politician called Enrique Peña Nieto.
I hold the believe that Homer Simpson is smarter than this guy.
We basically paid 75 Million MXN for the stand he is going to use.(The Gov payed for it)
Plus his visit arrangements.
@user49523 I used to run BOINC, I became 10th place in Mexico once upon a time. I currently use most of my CPU time doing my own computations, but thanks.
Considered spam?
it got like 7 flags in 15seconds
Ok, so I was talking about Enrique Peña Nieto
He went into a book fair and could not mention the three books that shaped him.
It is not an incredibly hard question per se.
yeah man, politicians around the world all share this problem
it's because politics is about appearances and not about merit
why is that? because the masses care about appearance, not about merit
we have some pretty dumb politicians here in USA too
He was defended with, and I quote, "that being a good reader is not necessary to be a good president and emphasized on his political intuition and his discipline.".
he also doesn't know the minimum wage in Mexico
And when asked for the price of the canasta basica(most common, cheap food) he answerd Yo no soy la señora de la casa.
(I am not the lady of the house)
@stoicfury that bad?
I am aware of Rick Santorum and Rick Perry(The christian dude)
yeah man, i don't know your guy that much but there's some pretty dumb ones here
yeah RS and RP for starters
23:26
Well, the issue is that Peña Nieto is constantly refered to as the next president.
Even on a USA cable leaked by Wikileaks
And most people believe that he will indeed be president. He is leading the election currently
A lot of people defend him and claim he is only the face of el gabinete(The board) of the political party.
Hey, I am tasting several different coffees. So far I have tasted American, Esspresso, Ristretto, Capuccino, Machiato, and Iced Coffee. Any suggestions on what I should try next?
Now, what if, as police officers, politicians were constantly given physicals, and other examinations? For instance they would most certainly need to be proefficient in logic, épistemology, sociology and economics.
Damn I need to write all this down. Maybe I will at least start writing on my blog.
23:45
Interesting anonym party and manifesto: armageddonconspiracy.co.uk/…
23:56
sorry back
American coffee? i wonder what that tastes like
haha
:P Café Americano.
it is basically an espresso over 6 oz of water.
If I want to know the definition of merit, would that be an epistemological question?
just the plain old definition? nah
that's just semantics
And scope of.

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