bed time for me!

:P

Hi, everyone!

Sorry for disappearing, real life has been tearing me apart! hahahaha

What did I miss? How's everyone doing?

hope you're OK and not too torn apart!

doing good here

the site has been pretty quiet

we went public!

which means the privilege thresholds went up

I saw, I lost my privileges hahahaha

But I don't really mind

lol

but now we get a new magic link! try [vegetarian.se]

it becomes Vegetarianism

in chat only though

Vegetarianism

Fantastic!

Does it work in other chats, as well?

yep

all of them

all public beta and graduated sites have one

and iirc Stack Overflow and couple others work

yeah, that's just [so]

[mso]

Vegetarianism Meta

oooh [meta.vegetarian.se] works also

[au], Server Fault, Super User

So, now that we show up on Google, more people should come in, I think

I'm reading the meta to get up to speed

yep

@RamonMelo I don't understand your comment on my meta question - please could you ELI5?

@Zanna I think SE, as a network, practices structural prejudice against non-English speakers

yeah, it does :/

First, because English is required, but I guess this is inevitable

@RamonMelo I agree yes. When I first came I thought we should avoid that and allow everything to be in all kinds of languages, but I have changed my mind

@RamonMelo also somewhat on non-native english speakers

But, second, because there's an implied message that poor English skills are frowned upon

yeah

@RamonMelo where are you hearing that message?

I personally haven't

I mean, where is it implied, to you?

I'm not asking you to show me the documents... I'm saying, where does your feeling come from?

But I can't speak for all non-native English speakers, I like to fool myself into thinking I have decent English skills

you mentioned edits...

hmmm your English seems perfect to me

it's pretty good, a bit formal, but completely grammatically correct

the only thing you don't have is the colloquial phrasing many native speakers have, but that's not really good grammar anyway

I actually object to the phrase "native speaker" even

@Zanna I see it all across the SE network: constant edits to fix grammar mistakes, one or other comment about English, but it is a common topic whenever a site is considered "under attack"

I hate those comments

but I like the edits

good grammar --> easy reading

ye

and clear meaning

generally it's better if it's an edit from somebody w/ the edit priv

I really hate those comments

I flag them or reply to them

because otherwise they get notified and can get somewhat offended/confused

but I edit everything in sight

you get a notification whoever edits your post if it's code or more than a few characters I think

it's not a bad thing

it's just a different thing

nothign wrong with that

hmmm... my dialect and Riker's dialect are not the same

yeah, you're UK right?

@Zanna I agree, but I think it is a hard message to convey to new users. Most of them feel they are being "corrected".

this English is just one dialect

@Zanna only if it's a suggested edit iirc

all dialects are equal

you don't get one if it's an auto-approved edit

@Zanna except texan english

I stand firm in my belief texans do not speak english

@Riker nah... I get notifications when muru edits my answers :)

hm

@RamonMelo I am very lazy about writing edit reasons, but when I review suggested edits, sometimes I see horrible things written there, and that upsets me, I know people will see that and feel bad

maybe I should try to write friendly edit reasons?

ye

@Zanna prolly

I can't not edit!

@Riker It is a matter of opinion, of course, but I think it is. I work with marginalized teenagers and being formal makes them think I'm somehow better than or distant from them. A good speaker must be able to speak several language variations and adapt to the situation.

ah

I noticed you speaking more formal english because I used to teach english to little kids

askubuntu.com/users?tab=editors

or at least help them

@RamonMelo I never thought your language was formal, I didn't notice anything like that

commas are the bane of my existence

In Portuguese, there are what we call "optional commas". I call them "YOU BETTER PRESS THAT BUTTON commas".

lol

lol

@RamonMelo are they the ones in a list of things?

Are we ready to rename the room?

like apples, tomatos, and pineapples vs apples, tomatos and pineapples

@Zanna ye

but last time I checked the greenhouse and garden were tied

The Greenhouse is now winning meta.vegetarianism.stackexchange.com/questions/101/…

@Zanna Honestly, I don't think it would make a difference. It is the edit itself that implies that message. A new user needs time to understand it's not personal.

oh cool

@RamonMelo yeah, tha'ts pretty much it

@RamonMelo then there's nothing we can do ? :(

yeah, there isn't really

I mean you can explain to them, generally by leaving a comment

room topic changed to The Greenhouse: General discussion for vegetarianism.stackexchange.com (no tags)

@Zanna Thanks, but I know it is. I spent a whole year studying English grammar rules and thesauri to be selected to an engineering program, it has somehow meshed into my writing skills, at this point.

@Zanna woot!

@RamonMelo hmmm I guess I have "too much" academic background too

@Riker :D

@Riker No, they are usually stylistic. I just prefer them because I have ADHD, and it's easier for me to read with lots of commas (I know, it's selfish).

ah

@RamonMelo I know what you mean though, I have mild aspergers and I can't stand walls of text

on gaming.se, half my rep is from edits and 3/4 of my edits are just breaking up paragraphs

@Zanna I don't know. I mean, we have to keep editing. Maybe it would be a good idea if we just left a comment welcoming them and telling we left a "suggestion" as an edit. I do this at the Portuguese SE and it is well received, but most of them are self-conscious about their own language skills (after all, they have come to us for this reason).

@Riker You are the hero we need

lol

@RamonMelo I think best case would be to keep editing, and be as nice as possible

because other people may not be nice about it

@RamonMelo Sure I will try to do that for new users

please could you post that as an answer to my meta question?

I don't like the generic answer posted so far much

Sure

thanks!

hi

Go Alexa

o/

@StackExchange Should have been nominated earlier.. He lost a headstart :(

:(

Please find more people and nominate them now if possible

@Attilio btw, you should really edit your nomination on meta to accept or decline it

otherwise you can't be made a mod (if you get chosen)

maybe Attilio hasn't seen it?

Hey! o/

o/

@jokerdino I've pinged him twice before

how's life?

Unfair? :D (joke :P)

nice literature question btw @Zanna

just noticed it was yours after it popped up in the close queue >_>

it's a fine question IMO tho

@Riker lol what reason?

@Zanna too broad

@Niitaku doing fine

@Riker fair enough :)

@Zanna Hey! How are you?

also @Zanna did you just get notified for me editing your post on literature

darth gerbil edited the tags for ya, and I just removed the notice in your question

yes I got notified, thanks for the edit!

@Niitaku pretty good thanks! How about you? better day?

@Zanna Yes a bit better, thanks for asking. :) I'm taking your suggestion.

@Niitaku awesome!

One drawback is that this is a huge company. It's hard to make changes. :|

:/

But I'll try anyway. :P

good luck!

hm

They also have a "no meat" pizza... but with cheese :(

that really sucks :(

I feel your pain

I hate to be stuck in a place with poor food options

I used to work on a cruise ship, and finally I had to quit, mainly because the food was so awful

I don't think I can imagine how this could be :/

Oh, and I forgot about the salad bar: they made one with carrot and soy bean sprout... with a creamy seasoning...

The same seasoning on mushrooms and other stuff

aww no

that gives me an idea to add to my answer

yeah!

Where that your (true) addition is funny, it's that they already have seasoning spots in that restaurant :D

so why do they put the dressing on it already :/ ?

With several oils (olive, sunflower, rape, nut, etc.), vinegar (balsamic, cider, shallot, etc.), ketchup, mustard, mayonnaise, barbecue sauce, salad sauce, etc.

@Zanna I don't even know :|

I'll try to ask them, though

yum lots of nice stuff

^^

bon appetit to you!