SE Podcast

Jeff Ferland

16:09

~~Alright, 7 days later: thoughts for our guests~~ Actually, I'll just save it until after 3....

Alex Miller

16:55

room topic changed to SE Podcast Live Chat: livestream.com/stackexchange / Next Episode: Tuesday 10/4 @ 4:00pm EDT w/ guest David Fullerton (no tags)

@JeffFerland no more guessing necessary!

Jeff Ferland

@AlexMiller Oh, I wasn't guessing... I already know the speaker from last week and have the corresponding questions :)

Alex Miller

@JeffFerland crafty one aren't you ;-)

Katey Ψ

19:43

PODCAST

Alex Miller

WOOOOOH

Marco Ceppi

It's time for this thing again

GnomeSlice

x_x

ChrisF

Any chance of the audio not breaking up this week?

Alex Miller

not really

we're still on livestream for one more week

Marco Ceppi

19:53

yay

ChrisF

@AlexMiller Oh joy

Jin

who's covering this MJ song?

Joel Spolsky

testing tick tick is this thingon?

Katey Ψ

yes

I am having trouble with these headphones

Headphone? There is only one ear

ChrisF

What's @JoelSpolsky signing? Swag pack letters?

GnomeSlice

19:58

Hej.

Jeff Ferland

Hellooooooo

epatel

Hej hej

Joel Spolsky

@ChrisF yep!

Katey Ψ

we should be live

Marco Ceppi

Sweet, more chaos!

Oh :(

Jeff Ferland

20:02

Totally bought it :(

Michael Pryor

HI ALEX

Nip

@BrettWhite Question: How do you address changes that need to be done to PROD just AFTER a release (or has that issue never occured)?

Mana

Damn,

Brett White Ψ

Hello, chatroom

Mana

Oi Brett.

Katey Ψ

20:02

Address questions to @BrettWhite this week

Jeff Ferland

I've gotten a lot of negative feedback from non-Careers 2.0 people when I link them to my profile (which is in a state of chaos right now, but that aside)... have you taken a look at how people react to that outside of those who post jobs on careers.se?

Michael Mrozek

meta.stackoverflow.com/users/146719/david-fullerton

GnomeSlice

Careers? Really?

Michael Pryor

What kind of negative feedback?

AnonJr

I've been meaning to finish filling out my Careers profile...

Jeff Ferland

20:04

Lots of complaining about formatting, wondering about the top 10% tags, etc.

I've decided to go back to word formatting

random

Has Fullerton ever met Fullarton?

Jeff Ferland

Also, didn't realize it when I put my gravatar up, but there's now a picture of a cat on my resume

Greg B

Can Punyon wave. Which one is he?

Michael Mrozek

I don't like where this conversation is going; this is how we ended up with Programmers.SE

GnomeSlice

Is he talking about the old closed SE sites?

Michael Mrozek

20:05

"We just want them to go away"

GnomeSlice

Like this?

Michael Mrozek

@GnomeSlice He's talking about needing something like SE 1.0 to funnel people away from SE that they don't want to make sites for

GnomeSlice

Is it SO what you do, Jeff.

ಠ_ಠ

Stefano Palazzo

am I glad to hear this stuff about clones not being a problem <3

random

3

A: How do I launch my new, free service leveraging WebApps without running afoul of the current community?

The general policy here is that you can recommend us as a venue for getting answers but only alongside a list of OTHER resources too. e.g. "for trello support, try the following public places: place a, place b, stack exchange, place c" Per http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/3966/is-it...

Michael Mrozek

20:08

..."kind of off-topic"? "not perfect"? It's wildly off-topic

Marco Ceppi

We got this a lot when we linked Ubuntu software to Ask Ubuntu. Bug reports and account issues started rolling in

Michael Mrozek

@MarcoCeppi Sure, and it doesn't make it ok just because Ubuntu developers happen to read AU

Marco Ceppi

Right, we burn with fire when applicable

GnomeSlice

@BrettWhite What's going on with the gaming grant fiasco?

Michael Mrozek

Oh yeah, I hope they talk about that

GnomeSlice

20:11

Gaming.SE isn't.

Katey Ψ

@Abby is away this week, address questions to @BrettWhite

2

Michael Mrozek

That's why SEI waited till now to strike; they had to get Abby out of the building first

GnomeSlice

@KateyΨ Someone should probably clear that pin.

Michael Mrozek

Hey, I liked the plant

balpha

btw, I was able to catch a glimps of THE DEW in real life last week:

Michael Mrozek

20:12

@balpha It must've been a magical experience

balpha

it certainly was

Fabian

@BrettWhiteΨ I noticed that Proposals on Area 51 are not merged even if they have significant overlap. What is the idea on dealing with proposals that overlap or are subsets of other proposals?

2

GnomeSlice

What are those specific reasons?

Katey Ψ

Oh man you guys I still don't know what plant they were talking about

GnomeSlice

The one on the desk.

Michael Mrozek

20:15

@Fabian Well, Biblical Hermeneutics just went into private beta even though they were all for merging with Christianity, so who knows

Marco Ceppi

There's a plant?

Michael Myers

@MarcoCeppi Trust no one.

GnomeSlice

In front of whatsisname.

AnonJr

@MarcoCeppi Sure - someone in this chat room...

Fabian

@MichaelMrozek That's one of the reasons I'm wondering what the idea is on how to deal with that.

Katey Ψ

20:15

That is the only plant that appears to be in Joel's sightline.

Great stuff happening in this week's chat

Michael Mrozek

David mentioned the community team and @RobertCartaino appeared like 4 seconds later

AnonJr

... so now we have the drummers in with the musicians. :p

Robert Cartaino

Proposals are rarely-to-never actually physically merged. We (The Community Team) usually contact the users of one proposal and direct them to support another before closing it.

Michael Mrozek

@GnomeSlice It's actually working for me this week; I'm astounded

Mana

@AnonJr ooooooh....:(

That's harsh, man.

Michael Mrozek

20:18

@RobertCartaino I was actually thinking of "closed" when they said "merged"; I didn't realized proposals actually got merged ever

Rebecca Chernoff

@Fabian Area 51 is entirely a community process. We like to see the community handle these things themselves. If there's a better proposal to follow, then that needs to be raised in the discussion area so the community can handle it.

GnomeSlice

I see how it is. They don't want to talk about the Gaming thing. Or maybe they just don't like me.

AnonJr

@Mana I do some work on the side for a band - I've heard cracks all around. :)

GnomeSlice

My internet is throwing a fit.

Katey Ψ

Spelling

GnomeSlice

20:20

Hermanudics?

(knows how to actually spell it)

AnonJr

I suspect the people that are looking for that site know how to spell it.

Fabian

@RebeccaChernoff Well, the one thing you can do we can't is send notifications to the followers/commiters of another proposal. I often see similar proposals linked on proposals, but likely the people that are not regular users might miss those other proposals.

Rebecca Chernoff

@GnomeSlice I don't really see how that belongs on the podcast. There are meta.gaming questions that are discussing the process, that's the appropriate venue.

GnomeSlice

@RebeccaChernoff That hasn't gone anywhere.

Mana

Hermeneutics, I think?

GnomeSlice

20:21

@Mana Correct.

Mana

forget if the second e is an a or an e

cooooool

Katey Ψ

NO MIXING FIBERS

Rebecca Chernoff

@Fabian and we have done that in the past.

Jeff Ferland

Just joined healthcare IT, actually

GnomeSlice

...LEGO has an SE site?

Marco Ceppi

20:22

LEGO Yes!

AnonJr

While Healthcare IT is a very specialized field, I'm not sure it deserves its own site...

Marco Ceppi

I'm really excited for whenever that launches.

Mana

Woah, is Game of Go going private?!

Dori

@GnomeSlice LEGO has an SE proposal, not a site

Fabian

@Mana Last I checked it was still missing 20%

Michael Mrozek

20:22

@Mana It's 83% commitment

Mana

@MichaelMrozek aaaaaghhhh

Marco Ceppi

LEGO has really picked up steam

GnomeSlice

I know I'm repeating myself, but since they're talking about good sites vs bad sites, why haven't they mentioned gaming yet?

Rebecca Chernoff

@GnomeSlice it's been a day-ish, and there's been posts in that time. We can't change the world in a day, dude!

GnomeSlice

@MarcoCeppi How many questions can you even ask about that?

Marco Ceppi

20:23

@GnomeSlice A lot

Michael Mrozek

They're talking about how Healthcare IT is a subset of SF, but they're all for sites dedicated to legos and Go?

GnomeSlice

@MarcoCeppi I'll take your word for it. :P

AnonJr

There is some of that in healthcare IT, but not as much as you would think. And most of the really specialized equipment/software has vendor support

Dori

@MichaelMrozek And they overlap with?

GnomeSlice

@MichaelMrozek Dyargh, I hate it when people say it like that. 'Legos'.

Mana

20:24

@GnomeSlice shrug. We'll see how it goes.

GnomeSlice

GAMING.

Michael Mrozek

@Dori Go is clearly a subset of BCG. I don't even know what questions you'd ask about legos (is it lego? Is that what @GnomeSlice is objecting to?)

GnomeSlice

@MichaelMrozek Yes. It's LEGO. Not 'legos'.

Marco Ceppi

Happens on AU as well

Katey Ψ

I miss playing with legos

ChrisF

20:25

@MichaelMrozek LEGO. There is no plural

Fabian

Thats the stats for DBA

Rebecca Chernoff

@GnomeSlice do you feel that this is being constructive to the conversation? |:

GnomeSlice

LEGO isn't really that complicated. You put blocks together.

AnonJr

Well... I am listening at work. :)

Michael Mrozek

I'll concede "lego" -- I'm not calling it "LEGO"

GnomeSlice

20:26

@RebeccaChernoff I heard someone in the podcast say Gaming. I was excited.

Dori

@MichaelMrozek Go players—like Chess, Poker, MtG, and others—have said they would not participate on BCG :-(

Michael Mrozek

@Dori I know -- screw them. Do Java programmers get to band together and say "we won't participate on SO"?

Particularly if you make a facebook.SO-style frontend for Go like they were talking about a minute ago

Dori

Well, Ubuntu said they needed their own site, and that's working pretty well for them.

Michael Mrozek

@Dori Yes, to the detriment of UL. Just because a site can make it separately doesn't mean it should be separate (or that it needs to be separate)

Katey Ψ

unshelved.com

Bill Barnes' library cartoon site

Fabian

20:28

@MichaelMrozek With that and integration of software for board positions you could probably get some people on board. Though I think that the big competitive games like Chess & Go could work better on seperate sites than on a combined site.

GnomeSlice

Is the audio really choppy for anyone else?

Rebecca Chernoff

@AlexMiller is far too busy trying to figure out a box to write something down. (:

Michael Mrozek

If they're going to launch Poker as well they should just close BCG; they've carved it up

ChrisF

Why isn't Poker a subset of BCG?

Michael Mrozek

@GnomeSlice Yes

Josef

20:29

@GnomeSlice Yes

AnonJr

@GnomeSlice occasionally

Katey Ψ

I think @JoelSpolsky could beat most of us up just using "the cower"

GnomeSlice

Ping ping ping.

Shog9

@MichaelMrozek Should be a subset of Philosophy.SE.

Michael Mrozek

@ChrisF It is, but apparently important enough to warrant its own site. Like Go

Wesley Wiser

20:30

@GnomeSlice audio's choppy for me too

Michael Mrozek

No matter how much I glare at @AlexMiller nothing happens

ChrisF

@MichaelMrozek Sorry I couldn't find the rhetorical question mark on my keyboard.

Alex Miller

@MichaelMrozek yeah, blame @katey now

im just sitting here at a computer

Michael Mrozek

I'm glaring twice as hard at @Katey

The blame is palpable

Katey Ψ

IGNORING

Alex Miller

20:32

i thought we were going to move to a new video host this week but we hit a speedbump

so we should next week

Katey Ψ

JK I am paying attention

Rebecca Chernoff

good job @MichaelMrozek, you've scared Alex off!

Katey Ψ

but there is nothing we can do about it, hopefully will be resolved with the new host thang.

Michael Mrozek

I was just noticing that. I wasn't sure if he left or just dissolved

GnomeSlice

No animals start with B? Really?

Why not Barracuda or something.

AnonJr

20:33

@AlexMiller Who? I ask only because Justin.TV is blocked here at work...

Josef

Baboons

VxJasonxV

Baby Giraffe

Laura Ψ

badger!

GnomeSlice

Bandicoot

Michael Mrozek

blinks

Michael Myers

20:33

Bison, buffalo

GnomeSlice

Boa, Bull, Britney Spears

Michael Mrozek

koders.com/c/fid134C9842BF270239D85AC31A119225276488AF87.aspx

GnomeSlice

And of course... bunny.

Alex Miller

@AnonJr not justin.tv

GnomeSlice

Brontosaurus, Bobcat, Blue Jay, Beaver

AnonJr

20:34

@AlexMiller Good to know. :)

Michael Mrozek

It's live user interface testing. And it's not going well

Jeff Ferland

Signal-to-Noise ratio.... ouch

Brant

Waaagh! Has the stream started yet?

GnomeSlice

@brant Yes. About a half an hour ago.

Marco Ceppi

This is starting to sound naughty

Kevin Montrose

20:37

there's a lot of inappropriate touching going on here

Katey Ψ

Studio Guests are require to be best friends / bros.

Get up on that mic!

Michael Mrozek

There should be one mic for the whole room

2

VxJasonxV

...

oh dear god

Katey Ψ

I'm working on it! Trust me.

GnomeSlice

If I pause this to get a snack, do they have to wait for me to get back before continuing?

Alex Miller

20:40

nope

Nip

@BrettWhite I believe there is a method to pull "linkedIn" content into the careers site, is there a way to push some information from careers back into "linkedIn"?

Alex Miller

thats why i just went and got a snack

Brant

Where's the mascot? Did I miss the mascot?

GnomeSlice

Ah, well, worth a shot.

Mana

@GnomeSlice Yes. No pressure or anything, though.

GnomeSlice

20:41

@Brant She's not here.

Katey Ψ

We'll wait @GnomeSlice we need you to mention gaming again.

GnomeSlice

@Joel What about Gaming?

Rebecca Chernoff

@KateyΨ I'm just waiting for Jason to push David out of the way to get to the mic and see David roll out of view.

Katey Ψ

THERE WE GO

@RebeccaChernoff my fingers are crossed

AnonJr

I really need to start working on some more public stuff... the bulk of my work so far has been "behind the firewall" so to speak.

Nip

20:42

@AnonJr agreed, I can't quite figure out what type of open source "stuff" to work on.

ChrisF

"Why I can do this" - because you have a diamond @JoelSpolsky! You can do anything, anywhere on the SE network.

Bill the Lizard

@AnonJr I have the same problem. My Careers profile is sparse.

dustyprogrammer

can we pull in our SE data into visualize.me

Don

One of the problems with the Careers CV is that all recruiters (who to a man/woman are useless morons) want it in Word format

Rebecca Chernoff

@KateyΨ yeah, I'm gonna be bummed if it doesn't happen. We should address all future questions to Punyon to maximize our chances! (:

dustyprogrammer

20:43

sorry vizualize.me

Joel Spolsky

not pdf?

Don

you'd be surprised, a lot of them INSIST on Word

AnonJr

@BilltheLizard, @Nip - thanks, now I don't feel quite so bad about it. :)

dustyprogrammer

so they can scan for how many times java is mention in your resume

stupid filtering techniques

Marco Ceppi

+1 for the conference thing

Don

20:44

yet refuse to learn how to convert from any format to Word

Brant

Probably so they can "punch up" your resume by adding a zero to the number of years of Java experience you listed.

ChrisF

@JoelSpolsky definitely Word in the UK. It's so they can easily take your contact details off it before sending to employers

Don

ha!

Nip

@JoelSposky "taking over the recruiting process"?

Billy Coover

I'd love to see you guys take what Iv'e done here and incorporate it into careers: tekfolio.me

Dori

20:45

Don't add speaking engagements—just import from Lanyrd.

Billy Coover

Text resume's suck

Bill the Lizard

@ChrisF And so they can add their logo in the header.

GnomeSlice

What sort of gifts?

ChrisF

@BilltheLizard I'd forgotten they do that

Kevin Montrose

Matt re-wrote it iirc

GnomeSlice

20:46

> It's a cat, it's not, you know, weird. I just mention it because it's weird.

Don

The ONLY people who get value out of LinkedIN are recruiters who use it like an open relay for spamming

Joel Spolsky

any kind of salesperson

Brant

I'm an expertise expert!

GnomeSlice

I'm an excerpt expert.

Don

well, the only people who ever

contact me via LinkedIN are recruiters

and there doesn't seem to be any way to make yourself invisible to them

Marco Ceppi

20:48

You can write to the profile with the API

GnomeSlice

I always see that term in this chatroom.

Katey Ψ

Oh LinkedIn, you annoying emailer you.

Mana

API?

GnomeSlice

(Doesn't know what an API is)

Nip

@CodingHorror Thanks for bringing that up.

ChrisF

20:49

@GnomeSlice Application Programming Interface

Mana

It lets you write code that plugs into other applications without modifying the application itself.

Michael Mrozek

@GnomeSlice It lets you read and possibly write data to a site without going through the main web interface. E.g. he's the help page for the Stack Overflow API: api.stackoverflow.com/1.0/usage

Mana

That is my totally wrong definition.

GnomeSlice

Ah. I think I understand. As much as a non-programmer can understand, anyway.

Brant

People talk to the app through the website/GUI, programs talk to the app through the API.

Nip

20:50

@JoelSpolsky I paid, mostly so I could get my name in the URL

Katey Ψ

@GnomeSlice I just let it wash over me.

GnomeSlice

@KateyΨ Story of my life.

Mana

@GnomeSlice sob :( I'm the same way.

Don

the CV PDF export is nice, great work!

GnomeSlice

@Mana Except you understand it.

Don

20:51

does he mean Jason Calacanis??

GnomeSlice

The Resumator? Really?

Alex Miller

I do

Mana

@GnomeSlice No, it's like having a bunch of random words in front of you and trying to fill in the blanks. You can say things that might sound like they make sense but are actually entirely wrong.

dustyprogrammer

wow. I want to apply to work there!

:D

GnomeSlice

@Mana Oh, that's why you always sound so smart.

Mana

20:53

@GnomeSlice bumps GnomeSlice one spot up on the Gaming.SE character tier list

Katey Ψ

I am going to murder @sambrand

Murderous rage subsiding

PPC-Coder

@Don I agree. Very nice

ChrisF

I wouldn't get a invite on my GitHib work - as I don't have any :(

Jeff Ferland

collapse

GnomeSlice

I'm still here.

ChrisF

20:55

Luckily I already have an account ;)

Michael Mrozek

@ChrisF I think the only thing on my github account is a fork of StackExchangeScripts

GnomeSlice

I see 86.

Billy Coover

Free Trello shirt?

;)

Mana

Nice!

Andrew

thank you :-)

Mana

20:56

Thanks guys.

Jin

David Fullerton, what kind of tree would you be if you were a tree?

GnomeSlice

I do. =[

Michael Mrozek

@balpha Because people definitely read these logs

dustyprogrammer

Boom. careers.stackoverflow.com/myusuf3

GnomeSlice

@Joel What about the gaming grant fiasco?

dustyprogrammer

20:57

I need a job

Brant

Ahh, ITConversations. I missed you. "The audio producer for this episode is (AWKWARD PAUSE) JEFF ATWOOD."

Stefano Palazzo

:-( I got an Oops at /cv/create

dustyprogrammer

I write enterprise assemblie

haha

GnomeSlice

DARGH.

balpha

@MichaelMrozek Let them at least pretend they care for SE!

GnomeSlice

20:58

ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)

Michael Mrozek

Every week as I bookmark the conversation I think to myself "nobody will ever click this"

Mana

@GnomeSlice Too late, bro. And besides, the gaming grant fiasco seems to be more relevant to Atwood, not Joel.

GnomeSlice

@Mana Yeah, but Jeff isn't in the chatroom.

So a ping wouldn't get him.

Michael Mrozek

@GnomeSlice They clearly don't have time to talk about it now, they're wrapping up

You should sneak in another 40 or 50 mentions of it before the end though

GnomeSlice

@MichaelMrozek I figured.

@MichaelMrozek Well they were all "Man, now we have nothing to talk about".

Rebecca Chernoff

20:59

...and like I said earlier, not really podcast material.

Mana

Pfft, 40? 50? These are lightweight numbers. Think big. At least 50!

Rebecca Chernoff

nothing to talk about? ha.

Kevin Montrose

inbox stuff is just new unread things, not all things your inbox, for the record

BrMcMullin

you, sir, are incorrec

incorrect* sticky keys...

GnomeSlice

Nobody listening any more... ಠ_ಠ

dustyprogrammer

21:03

the site that loaded Quora!

Kevin Montrose

old notifications predates @replies, not comments (iirc).

Katey Ψ

Darwin Awards?

2

GnomeSlice

@KateyΨ Hah! I was about to say that.

Mana

> Welcome to CostCo...I love you...

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

@BrettWhite parenting.stackexchange.com/questions/greatest-hits

Michael Mrozek

21:06

5

A: Has anyone used "hot saucing"? Is it bad parenting?

This is a form of physical discipline akin to spanking, which is only appropriate after escalating beyond normal, non-physical discipline -- and even then only in strict moderation and only when the child is young. See my answer, with research citations, at Is punishment necessary? As childr...

GnomeSlice

Jeff has kids?

ChrisF

@GnomeSlice at least one

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

@GnomeSlice a 3 y/o son

Joel Spolsky

twitter.com/@rockhardawesome

GnomeSlice

Oh, right.

AnonJr

21:07

@AarthiDevanathanΨ 3 years old already?

balpha

chat needs a hot-saucing easter egg

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

@AnonJr almost

Katey Ψ

Recommendation: DO NOT RESEARCH MEDIEVAL TORTURE ON WIKIPEDIA if you ever want to sleep again.

GnomeSlice

Also, each of the SE sites are like Jeff's children as well, I suppose.

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

@GnomeSlice he definitely loves some more than others.

Kevin Montrose

21:08

any fish also

Bill the Lizard

My son hotsauced himself with BW3 Blazing sauce. He won't do that again.

Katey Ψ

Fish is gross

Brant

OH NO U DI'NT

GnomeSlice

@AarthiDevanathanΨ ...What, is that standard in parenting?

Kevin Montrose

@KateyΨ the salmon is generally OK

AnonJr

21:09

have fun, back to trying to work...

Marco Ceppi

22:02

RE: LinkedIn API

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