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12:13 AM
@PauloCereda so you're a Blackadder fan? :)
 
12:24 AM
@cmhughes Hi I am here. No. Nothing is found in log file.
 
@HarishKumar dang :(
 
@cmhughes :-)
 
@HarishKumar what version does the log file say you're using?
 
Fri Apr 12 05:55:00 2013
indent.pl version 8.14, a script to indent .tex files

file: Reju.tex
Reading defaultSettings.yaml

Trace: documentclass detected, assuming preamble
Line 1 still in PREAMBLE, doing nothing
Line 2 still in PREAMBLE, doing nothing
Line 3 still in PREAMBLE, doing nothing
Line 4 still in PREAMBLE, doing nothing
Line 5 still in PREAMBLE, doing nothing
Line 6 still in PREAMBLE, doing nothing
Line 7 still in PREAMBLE, doing nothing
Line 8 still in PREAMBLE, doing nothing
@cmhughes It's 8.14
 
@HarishKumar ok, that's the most recent one
 
12:26 AM
@cmhughes the most recent.
 
@HarishKumar I think we have to find why it is not finding your home directory
 
@cmhughes Yep. But how?
@PauloCereda is here. Hi Paulo
 
@HarishKumar we have to dive into the source code! Would you prefer I upload a new version to github, or do you fancy doing some digging in your local version?
 
@cmhughes Yes. :)
@HarishKumar Hi Harish! How are you? :)
 
@PauloCereda I have a plan so cunning, you could brush your teeth with it
 
12:30 AM
@cmhughes ooh Baldrick. :)
 
@PauloCereda lol :)
 
@cmhughes I am not an expert :-( I would be obliged if you upload a new veesion :-)
@PauloCereda I am fine. Thank you. How abt you? It's been a long time :-)
 
@HarishKumar ok, no problem- it'll just have a few small changes, including the -h flag you requested... give me a few minutes, will ping you back :)
 
@HarishKumar I'm fine too, thanks. :) Ah yes, we are quite busy these days. :)
 
@cmhughes Sure. I will be on and off with 5-10minutes period. But I will be here for next 2 hours :-) Thanks.
@PauloCereda How is life going?
 
12:35 AM
@HarishKumar A little chaotic at the moment, with lots of things to do in a very short time. But we are going. :)
 
@PauloCereda An ordered life isn't called a life ;-) Good thing is we keep going :-)
 
@HarishKumar So true. :)
@HarishKumar: I mentioned to Kannappan some days ago that my mornings are now governed by some nice indian chants. :)
I reminded of you. :)
 
@PauloCereda Oh. That is great. Vedic chants keep your mind calm and peaceful, focused and help to stay balanced in life.
 
@HarishKumar I've just uploaded version 8.15 to github- it should give some (hopefully) useful info to indent.log. it also now takes -h flag (for help): github.com/cmhughes/latexindent.plx
 
12:48 AM
@PauloCereda Oh. That sounds good. Feed back later. May be later I shall send you some links for some more melodies
@cmhughes I am at it sir! will get to you in some time :-)
 
@HarishKumar sounds good :)
 
@HarishKumar Oh I'd love to! :)
 
@cmhughes I am surprised but I got
Home directory is c:\emacs\,c:\cygwin
To specify user settings you would put indentconfig.yaml here:
c:\emacs\,c:\cygwin/indentconfig.yaml
How that can happen ? Will try and get back to you
 
@HarishKumar ah, very interesting! I have no idea how that happened- are you running the script from within cygwin?
@HarishKumar still, glad that the script did its job telling you about the home directory... :)
 
1:05 AM
@cmhughes I don't have emacs and cygwin at present. May be some traces of my previous misadventure. I will check it up and get to you later.
 
@HarishKumar ok, let me know- it could be an error in the home directory check too (I have tried it on quite a few machines)
 
 
2 hours later…
3:04 AM
@PeterGrill Which engine are you talking about? I don't see one (but I'm running the older version of TeXShop, so maybe this is new.)
 
3:36 AM
anyone know why this does not work?
\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\usepackage[english]{babel}
\usepackage{amsmath,amsthm}
\usepackage{amsfonts}
\usepackage{enumerate}
\begin{document}
\begin{array}{c|c}
  1 & 2
 \end{array}
\end{document}
 
@soandos You need to place the array environment in math mode. Like:
\documentclass{article}
\begin{document}
\[\begin{array}{c|c}
  1 & 2
\end{array}\]
\end{document}
 
ah
thanks
and is there a difference with regard to $ and [\ ?
 
@soandos Yes, $...$ initiates inline math, while \[...\] starts math in display mode.
So, you would typically write: `Here is some math $f(x)=ax^2+bx+c$, and then a display equation
 
But in regards to array, what difference does it make?
(I know the difference regularly)
 
@soandos It doesn't really.
 
3:41 AM
@Werner thanks
 
The one uses \textstyle, the other \displaystyle, but they make no difference in array.
 
got it
 
@HarishKumar just out of interest- do you know why your home directory had been changed- by cygwin?
 
@AlanMunn The site I liked to provides a .engine file for TeXShop which allows you to control what gets executed. It seems to claim that you can run TeXShop with this .engine file and have the PDF open with Acrobat after.
 
@PeterGrill Yeah, I just noticed the link (I hadn't before).
 
3:47 AM
@AlanMunn I have used .engine files successfully before but was not able to adapt this one to get it to work.
 
@PeterGrill Since this is an Applescript it depends on commands in the Applescript dictionary for Acrobat; to adapt it to Preview you would need to figure out the equivalent commands in the Preview Applescript dictionary.
 
@AlanMunn Oh, but I couldn't get it to work with Acrobat either. But if one does not need to reopen the PDF in the same spot and closing and reopening the file with Preview should be doable, but beyond my bash scripting capabilities...
 
@PeterGrill Well the TeXShop previewer is pretty fine for most things for me anyway, so I'm not inclined to spend time on this problem. :)
 
@AlanMunn I agree. I actually think the TeXShop viewer is better that Mac Preview, for TeX usage.
 
@PeterGrill Yes, me too.
 
 
1 hour later…
5:00 AM
@cmhughes I think when I installed cygwin sometimes ago, either Me or the program itself changed that in the system variables. I don't exactly remember. There was a Home variable under user settings.
 
 
3 hours later…
7:44 AM
hello there
I'm trying to adapt the following:
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{tabulary}
\usepackage{threeparttablex}
\usepackage{array}
\usepackage{siunitx}
\usepackage{booktabs}

\renewcommand{\arraystretch}{1.5}

\begin{document}
\sisetup{round-mode=places,round-precision=1}
\begin{table}
\begin{tabulary}{\textwidth}{*{2}{L}*{6}{S[table-format=3.2]}}
%round-mode=places

× & TOTALLY & 1000 & 2000 & 3000 & 4000 & 5000 & 6000\\
DDD 1 & 47.6 & 29.1 & 1.0 & 0.2 & 1.9 & 15.2 & 0.0\\
FFF & 42.5 & 15.2 & 12.7 & 0.0 & 1.2 & 13.4 & 0.0\\
BBB & 39.4545 & 9.8695 & 15.3365 & 0.6915 & 2.246 & 10.6705 & 0.5105
so that the first line of the table
would have different column-specifiers than the rest of the table
 
@nuttyaboutnatty TeX tables work column-wise, so you'll have to 'escape' the first row items individually
 
so that instead of having only numeric headings (1000, 2000, etc)
I could have (1000-so-and-so, etc)
@JosephWright how?
(and is it good / usual / common practise to do so?)
also, does \sisetup{round-mode=places,round-precision=1} rather belong in the preamble, or does it not matter?
 
@nuttyaboutnatty Braces
{1000} & {2000} ...
 
ok, but how could I apply tabulary's column specifiers to that row?
 
siunitx skips any braced material in a S column
@nuttyaboutnatty If it only applies to this table, then I'd have it after \begin{table} but not in the header. It's then only processed once, but is grouped by the table environment
 
7:51 AM
but now I have it in the body and it still works; I think it'll be for the whole document, so I'll move it into the preamble
right?
 
@nuttyaboutnatty If you want it to apply everywhere then yes
 
how could I turn the table-headings row into a "p" ?
or align right?
 
@nuttyaboutnatty \multicolumn{1}{r}{Right align}
 
@nuttyaboutnatty You can alter the alignment using table-text-alignment or as @egreg says by using a multi-column approach
 
ok
@JosephWright if I use braces { } on stuff in a S column,
what does the alignment default to? center?
 
7:56 AM
@nuttyaboutnatty Yes
@nuttyaboutnatty Current manual, page 47
 
nice
yes...
...indeed!
a general style recommendation / convention question:
am thinking of placing the changes in values
beneath the current value
in brackets
like so:
43.1
(10.3)
(sorry, in fact it's two relates percentages)
(not "changes")
vs
putting this into two separate tables
I think I'd favour the above dense approach
what would you say?
(I tried to google this but couldn't find anything conclusive; other than that some publications tend to use write it in one line like so: 43.1 (10.3) which would obviously take more horizontal space...)
 
8:20 AM
@DavidCarlisle \let\include\input in the preamble would be a solution.
 
8:31 AM
@egreg or \let\input\@gobble
 
Anyone seen runopen error from latexmk? Google returns zero matches for "runpopen +latemk".
     runpopen command not allowed: ls
 
kan
@PeterGrill as it might? Try: "runopen+latexmk". :-P (before @David posts lmgtfy link. :))
 
@kan Huh? You mean in google search?
 
kan
@PeterGrill yep. :)
I was pointing out spelling error.
 
@kan But I am cutting and pasting the error message I got: it is "runpopen"
Also no results for "runopen +latexmk"
 
8:43 AM
@egreg Thank you for the clarification on tex.stackexchange.com/a/22375/21591 Really fabulous answer
 
kan
9:05 AM
@PeterGrill ooh sorry. :)
 
@JosephWright how to avoid "0" and get "0.0" instead, if I use \sisetup{round-mode=places,round-precision=1} and the some data cells contain "0" ?
documentation p 24
hmm,
I tried \sisetup{round-mode=places,round-precision=1, add-decimal-zero=true, add-integer-zero=true} but "0" still remains "0"
 
9:23 AM
@DavidCarlisle Less things to read. ;-)
3
Q: LyX participates in the Google Summer of Code - which project ideas could be suggested?

Stefan KottwitzThis year, LyX participates in the Google Summer of Code. This is a great opportunity to get improvements and new features implemented. I appreciate that LyX makes entering the TeX and LaTeX world easier, I'm sure there are many LaTeX users who started with it. And for sure, many LaTeX friends us...

2
My opinion is completely different: LyX makes entering the LaTeX word more difficult.
 
@StefanKottwitz: And for sure, many LaTeX friends -- I think this is paradox: LaTeX friend and LyX User :-)
 
(note to self: don't read news, surf the web, chat with other people -- work!)
 
got it:
\sisetup{round-mode=places,round-precision=1, add-decimal-zero=true, add-integer-zero=true, round-integer-to-decimal}
 
@egreg also is it on topic for the main site rather than meta? (perhaps we should ask out mods:-)
 
kan
@DavidCarlisle I thought Stephen was a mod. :P :)
 
9:38 AM
@topskip why?
 
@DavidCarlisle because of a deadline... and I want to go home early today
 
@topskip Oh yes, those :(
 
I am rearranging Lua nodes for text left-/right alignment and centering. That's actually some fun.
 
@topskip (I thought you weren't chatting today:-) doesn't luatex have buillt in direction support ?
 
@DavidCarlisle I am ignoring direction for now
 
9:45 AM
@DavidCarlisle Aleph-like primitives
 
I make justified text and do the left/right/center afterwards by changing the glue on the left and/or right side
But the given code is broken, I am fixing it now.
 
@PauloCereda: I added some rules as requested by e-mail
 
@topskip sorry I misread left-/right alignment for bidi (spent too long looking at that:-)
 
@MarcoDaniel An accustomed UI at home and an occasional feature-rich and customizable service outside is not so uncommon ;-)
@MarcoDaniel I heard several times that LaTeX capable writers still stick to LyX for rapid writing, while using LaTeX for tweaks.
 
10:12 AM
@DavidCarlisle It's not about the site, but about LyX, so a better fit to the main site than to the TeX.SE meta site.
@DavidCarlisle And I guess starting a discussion based on a hot topic, recent event, can support the site. While development can benefit at the same time. (Better an on-topic discussion based on a event, even if closed later when it might be obsolete at a time, than a funny hat game ;-)
 
@StefanKottwitz Agreed
@StefanKottwitz Also agreed
 
@StefanKottwitz well that's true:-)
 
10:31 AM
Let's seduce more non-tech people to using LaTeX by showing a GUI at first ;-)
 
@MarcoDaniel I just posted an mdframed answer but what's \ doing in the providespackage line (I think that will break some parsing that expects a real space) vvv
*File List*
 article.cls    2007/10/19 v1.4h Standard LaTeX document class
  size10.clo    2007/10/19 v1.4h Standard LaTeX file (size option)
mdframed.sty    2013/03/09\ 1.8: mdframed
                                         ^^^^^
 
@DavidCarlisle I saw it and was also confused.
 
@MarcoDaniel sorry I didn't see you'd already commented (I wouldn't have posted the answer in that case) especially as it's not really an answer just a comment but I wanted the formatting
 
@DavidCarlisle Why sorry? Every answered question is a good question.
 
@MarcoDaniel just look at that listfiles list though, I went to such an effort to make listfiles line everything up and it's all a mess: you have a \ Heiko has two spaces before the date l3 packages have more than 8 letters...:-)
 
10:40 AM
@DavidCarlisle :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle There's a package (forget the name) that addresses all of this!
@DavidCarlisle I should sort out my data table code, then we can store packages there, do a loop to count characters and have reliable pretty-printing
 
@JosephWright I expended as many tokens I dare while making things fit in emtex:-) It pads things less than 8 but lets longer ones go out, but doesn't normalise double spaces etc between the fields.
 
10:56 AM
@DavidCarlisle fixed ;-)
 
@MarcoDaniel thanks
 
@DavidCarlisle I used to ask my students why packages like colortbl have such strange names. Only few were able to answer that.... time goes by
Of course I don't think that colortbl is strange, it was just an example, you know :)
 
@topskip Sounds like a new question ;-)
 
@MarcoDaniel I like scrartcl - it's hard to type & remember
 
@DavidCarlisle Sorry I just thought it was a TikZ question :)
 
11:10 AM
@topskip This is one of the most difficult class name
 
@topskip I started using TeX on BSD unix hence longtabl_e_ and had to undergo years of pain (and a special mapping feature being implemented in web2c) as a result. Now people are asking why it's a bad idea to have spaces in file names...
 
@DavidCarlisle I think spaces in filenames are a good test if we have a good programmer :)
 
@topskip so the "no chat today" thing really didn't work out:-)
 
I run away from difficult problems.
 
@percusse oh the .560mm one? You must have been seconds off mine? If only he'd have gone .5 \mylength would have had an error message:-)
 
11:16 AM
@DavidCarlisle Another case where sloppiness would have saved the day heh.
 
@percusse It's actually quite common for people to use \renewcommand and accidentally turn length registers into macros. It's hard to trap and hard to get any sensible error reporting. Well actually \renewcommand could trap itbut it would be a bit expensive to always test if \meaning#1 is a register.
 
en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX/Lengths tells me that \textwidth measures the width of the text on the page. However, \begin{tabulary}{\textwidth}{@{}*{2}{L}*{6}{S[table-format=3.2]}@{}}
seems to be about 0.5 cm too narrow on the right side of the table
 
@DavidCarlisle I guess it would have been easier if different types had different prefixes. I don't know if that's the case in L3 syntax.
 
any ideas why?
 
@percusse It's the ending that varies, but at the document level you can't rely on that so still need a 'meaning' test. Of course, for L3 we are much more likely to take a slight performance hit for better overall structure, but I'm not sure we need to (as dimension expressions are used generally).
 
11:26 AM
\begin{table}
\begin{threeparttable}
\caption{this is my first table's captive caption}
\begin{tabulary}{\textwidth}{@{}*{2}{L}*{6}{S[table-format=3.2]}@{}} \toprule
\begin{tabulary}{\textwidth}{@{}*{2}{L}*{6}{S[table-format=3.2]}@{}} this on it's own, on the other hand, appears too narrow on the left side of the document
 
@JosephWright "as dimension expressions are used generally)" yes not sure whether we could ever catch \dimexpr 0.5\mywidth\relax if it expands to a legal length.
 
kan
@David I posted an emacs+auctex suggestion to someone complaining having to \label every section... of course, he was using something that is even worse when compared to that v*m (texshop, I believe)... :-)
 
on it's own meaning not embedded in table and threeparttable environmnent
 
@DavidCarlisle Only by using meaning at the 'top' level, I guess
 
@nuttyaboutnatty because paragraphs are indented the log file probably tells you it is 15pt overfull
 
11:28 AM
@nuttyaboutnatty I believe that for such technical questions, making a full MWE and asking a real question on the site is better ;)
 
yes that's in the log, but what does it mean? is it because the contents of the cells is too big ?
@tohecz probably you're right; this is the first time I'm using the SX chat, and I'm not too sure about the ruling conventions here...
 
@JosephWright @DavidCarlisle I was thinking more like a warning inside a definition that if the macro exists and it's a dimension issue a warning for redefinition. OTherwise it would be a nightmare to catch all possible macro names and check if they are of different type
 
@percusse So within \renewcommand
 
@nuttyaboutnatty No, if you have paragraph indentation and a paragraph starts with a table that is as wide as the line, the result is too wide by the width of the paragraph indentation. use \noindent\begin{tab... or \centering (or any pther env that sets \parindent to 0
 
@nuttyaboutnatty In general, there's nothing wrong with asking questions and discussing the LaTeX problems here. However, this really looks like "give a MWE and you get an answer" problem.
 
11:31 AM
@JosephWright Maybe. But just a suggestion I don't know how complicated it would be when fully implemented.
 
kan
@nuttyaboutnatty no rules or conventions! That is our rule... :) But, we do politely request users with long code to post MWE on the site; after all that's what the main site is for. :)
 
@nuttyaboutnatty As you see, @David, our table expert, can provide a likely answer even without the MWE, but still, it is a likely answer, not an answer, because it cannot be tested.
 
@percusse yes exactly but at the tex level there isn't any quick test you can do, TeX "knows" but teh macro layer has to use \meaning and the do a string comparison for it not saying macro ->
 
@percusse Not too hard, I guess. You just need to add an additional test
 
kan
@tohecz of course @David considers such discussions off topic. Cricket and occasionally, football. :)
 
11:33 AM
@DavidCarlisle \token_if_dim_register:NTF :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Ah so there is no quick way of saying \ifdimen without checking it's meaning?
 
(Can probably generalise to a \token_if_register:NTF)
@percusse Certainly no primitive
 
@tohecz David got most of his rep by alternating missing % at end of line and missing noindent at start of line` to all questions irrespective of what text or MWE they have.
 
@DavidCarlisle and by misreading tikz as picture ...
 
@JosephWright Bummer.
 
11:35 AM
@percusse probably in luatex not otherwise
 
@DavidCarlisle The bigger issue is that there are other possibilities: depends on what exactly you want to trap. Probably best would be to check that the thing to be renewed is a TeX macro (could be long, so two tests)
 
@JosephWright yes
I wonder if Paulo brought his friend along
!!/fencing
 
@DavidCarlisle oh just a minute. :)
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@percusse I am using such kind of test for mdframed:
\newlength{\mdf@templength}
\def\mdf@iflength#1{%
  \afterassignment\mdf@iflength@check%
  \mdf@templength=#1\mdf@defaultunit\relax\relax
  \expandafter\endgroup\next
}
\def\mdf@iflength@check#1{%
  \begingroup
  \ifx\relax#1\@empty
    \def\next{\@secondoftwo}
  \else
    \def\next{\@firstoftwo}
    \expandafter\mdf@iflength@cleanup
  \fi
}
\def\mdf@iflength@cleanup#1\relax{}
 
@MarcoDaniel: Thanks for the new rules, I'll take a look. :) BTW, did you test them? :P
 
11:39 AM
@DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle as another "workaround", could it be that the error overfull hbox .. too wide .. and "too narrow" table can also be resolved/fixed just by putting less text into the table cell(s) ?
 
@PauloCereda :-) here my header of test.tex:
% TEX root = path/to/root_file.tex
% !TEX program = arara
% !TEX encoding = utf8
% !TEX spellcheck = en_GB

%: Start Header

% !arara: lualatex
% !arara: pdflatex
% !arara: bibtex
% !arara: pdflatex
% !arara: pdflatex
% !arara: pdflatex: {shell: true}
%
% !arara: latex
% !arara: biber
% !arara: latex
% !arara: latex
% !arara: dvips
% !arara: ps2pdf

% arara: latex
% arara: dvipsps2pdf
%\documentclass[border=12pt,varwidth,convert]{standalone}
%-----------------------------------------------------------------
 
@nuttyaboutnatty I have no idea what you mean by too narrow you'll need to ask a proper question on site with an image
 
@MarcoDaniel Oh my! :P
 
@MarcoDaniel but that's not checking it's a length (which needs \meaning) it's checking it is not \let to \relax (which is easier)
 
@DavidCarlisle I test whether the input is number or a length. Of course the input must be one of them.
 
11:44 AM
@MarcoDaniel Ah that clarifies it.
@MarcoDaniel Thanks though. Quite Interesting.
 
Party question:
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Q: Spacing, subfigures and right captions (Creating a bar menu)

N3buchadnezzarI am trying to create a bar menu for a student place I am part of. Now since we are studying CS, mathematics and or physics of course he have to use latex to create our barmenus or drinking lists. An example of a page is given below Now the question is how to make the process of creating the ...

 
New machine.
 
@MarcoDaniel yes but that is distinguishing 2 from 2pt not distinguishing a macro from a register
 
@PauloCereda New? 2011?
 
@MarcoDaniel I meant distro. :)
 
11:46 AM
@PauloCereda grats. I have a new machine, too: pi@raspberrypi ;)
 
@DavidCarlisle Unfortunately not. I had no idea of this.
 
@tohecz oooh! That's cool! :)
And hi Tom! :)
 
@PauloCereda Hi!
@Paulo I'll need to bridge my GSM connection to my local (W)LAN, so I had an excuse to buy it ;)
 
@tohecz :)
 
@PauloCereda Yes:
% arara: latex
% arara: dvipsps2pdf
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{pstricks}
\begin{document}
\begin{pspicture}(4,4)
\psgrid
\end{pspicture}
\end{document}
 
11:47 AM
@MarcoDaniel Oh.
 
@PauloCereda It only combines two rules ;-)
 
@MarcoDaniel :P
 
Mark Wibrow (one of the TikZ maintainers) accidentally wrote a TikZ library while trying to answer a question :)
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A: Using TikZ to depict intonation

mwibrowFollowing up on Matthew Leingang's answer, here's the same approach tied up with some syntactic sugar. It messes around with \catcode stuff, so care needs to be taken. \documentclass{standalone} \usepackage{tikz} \newcount\contourmarkcount \newdimen\contourraise {\catcode`\|=13 \gdef\installb...

 
@percusse wow
 
@percusse Procrastination at its finest.
:)
 
11:50 AM
@PauloCereda And I fixed some typos in Messages_de.input
 
@nuttyaboutnatty Oh do you mean that TY doesn't stretch the table if the natural width is less than the specified one? that is a feature, but there was a question on site not so long ago with a patch to make it not do that. search for tabulary
 
@MarcoDaniel Oh no, I have to update arara then! :)
 
@PauloCereda With some new features of course ;-)
 
@nuttyaboutnatty vv
6
Q: Is it possible to make an underfull tabulary spread out?

Stephan LehmkeWith this MWE \documentclass{article} \usepackage{tabulary} \begin{document} \hrule \begin{center} \begin{tabulary}{\textwidth}{|L|L|L|} foo&bar&baz \end{tabulary} \end{center} \hrule \end{document} I get a table which is narrower than the page: But I'd like the table to be spre...

 
@DavidCarlisle thx, I'll take a look at it; but since my cells are still filled with dummy stuff, I might be "breaking" rules which I won't with the real data
currently I'm trying to crack this:
× & TOTALLY bla percentage of bla & {1000} & {2000} & {3000} & {4000} & {5000 apple & pears} & {6000\tnote{1}}\\ \midrule
so that
these columns will be multirow
of
\begin{tabulary}{\textwidth}{@{}*{2}{L}*{6}{S[table-format=3.2]}@{}} \toprule
(notice the apple & pears (S-column) - currently this just spreads out horizontally, rather than creating a multiline, which the "TOTALLY" L-column does)
(I'm aiming for two lines)
(2 lines regarding the multirow)
(but I think we had that yesterday, I'll try and dig out the chat-log, if I remember correctly)
 
11:57 AM
@nuttyaboutnatty A MWE is worth thousands S columns.
 
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{tabulary}
% \usepackage[flushleft]{threeparttable}
\usepackage{threeparttable}
\usepackage{array}
\usepackage{siunitx}
\usepackage{booktabs}
\usepackage{lipsum}

\renewcommand{\arraystretch}{1.2}
\sisetup{round-mode=places,round-precision=1, add-decimal-zero=true, add-integer-zero=true, round-integer-to-decimal}

\begin{document}

\lipsum[1]


\begin{table}
\begin{threeparttable}
\caption{this is my first table's captive caption}
% \begin{tabulary}{\textwidth}{*{8}{L}}
 
@nuttyaboutnatty Please use the site for questions chat is for fencing results notice the apple & pears (S-column) - currently this just spreads out horizontally of course I can't notice anything as the code can not be run in that form. But since you said that's what happens that is of course expected, use {\parbox{2cm}{apples and pears}} to make a paragraph context within a LR box.
@nuttyaboutnatty on site not here for MWE, this chat room is for cricket results
!!/cricket
 
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Let's take a look at the last cricket results:

- Durham 250/10 &  92/8 * v Somerset 132/10
- Essex 30/2 * v Gloucestershire 409/5
- Glamorgan 134/10  v Northamptonshire 218/6 *
- Hampshire 454/7  v Leicestershire 50/1 &  143/10 *
- Kent 333/8  v Cardiff MCCU 33/1 *
- Lancashire 110/1 * v Worcestershire 334/10
- Nottinghamshire 278/10  v Middlesex 350/8 *
- Warwickshire 14 * v Derbyshire 226/10
- Yorkshire 96/10 &  27/1 * v Sussex 356/10
- Namibia 276/10  v Netherlands 99/1 *
 
True confessions: this morning I browsed TeX-SX, upvoted a comment, found a duplicate and voted to close...all on my mobile in the bathroom while shaving. Please help.
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!!/baseball
 
@MatthewLeingang Psmith, the TeX bot: I'm deeply sorry, old chap, but the command baseball does not exist. Did you mean: basketball
 
!!/gripe This cultural insensitivity will not stand!
 
@MatthewLeingang I forgot to implement it, sorry. :)
@MatthewLeingang Psmith, the TeX bot: I'm deeply sorry, old chap, but the command gripe does not exist.
 
@PauloCereda that's OK. Here is the RSS URL in case you missed it: feeds.feedburner.com/mpiii/mlb
 
12:19 PM
!!/list
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: I'm able to recognize the following commands: help, list, cricket, song, fencing, basketball, baseball, ctan, texdef, search, eightball, fortune, reputation, answer, translate, choose. You probably noticed that all commands must start with !!/ followed by the command name, didn't you? Splendid!
!!/baseball
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Let's take a look at the last baseball results:

- Toronto 1   Detroit 11 (FINAL)
- San Francisco 7   Chicago Cubs 6 (FINAL)
- NY Yankees at Cleveland (POSTPONED)
- Chicago Sox 4   Washington 7 (FINAL)
- Baltimore 3   Boston 2 (FINAL)
- Oakland 8   LA Angels 1 (FINAL)
- Texas 4   Seattle 3 (FINAL)
- LA Dodgers 3   San Diego 2 (FINAL)

Our baseball expert Matthew might explain these results later on.
 
@PauloCereda tyvm and lol
 
@MatthewLeingang We aim to please. :)
 
@DavidCarlisle Next thing you know, emacs will have a command that pops up an irritating paperclip called Mr Whatsit.
Yay, @David's starred comment about me has dropped off the page!
 
Hi, is it possible to redefine \sin?
 
@DannyBland You can use \renewcommand. What do you want it to do?
 
12:28 PM
I have put:

\renewcommand{\sin}[1]{\sin{\left([#1]\right)}}
\renewcommand{\cos}[1]{\cos{\left([#1]\right)}}
 
@DannyBland That will give you an infinite recursive loop.
 
fiddlesticks :(
 
@DannyBland It's better to define a new command, say, \psin
 
ah okay, i'll try that, thanks
 
You mean the one that said @NicolaTalbot's package has a BUG!!!!!
 
12:30 PM
@DavidCarlisle Ha, you can't star your own comment :-P
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(I'm not falling into that trap again.)
 
@NicolaTalbot I can rely on @PauloCereda
 
kan
In 25 minutes, 103 messages, I give up! :)
 
@DavidCarlisle Nooo! vim users have to stick together!
 
@DannyBland do you want a stretched ( followed by a normal size [ ?
@kan no need to read all those just star the one 4 or 5 lines up
 
I just realised I don't need the [ ] around the #1, thanks! :)
 
12:35 PM
@NicolaTalbot or \psina, which means "huge fun" in Czech :p
 
kan
@DavidCarlisle Done. :)
 
@kan :D
well, gotta go get some lunch ... at 2:30
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh! <3
 
@AlanMunn Well, time to speak Swedish
 
12:38 PM
@NicolaTalbot <3
 
@NicolaTalbot No, but I can mod-star mine if I want :-)
 
@AlanMunn Hell yeah!
 
@DavidCarlisle Well, you did say 4 or 5.
@tohecz Ooh, I've learnt some Czech :-)
 
Do you know that North Korean failed to launch its missiles due to some bugs in PSTricks?
 
@JosephWright Oh, that's sounds fun. :-)
 
12:40 PM
@NicolaTalbot just be sure not to use it in "official situations" ;) now, bye!
 
Hey, who starred @David's comment?
 
@percusse: beware, as Andrew once said, Don't annoy the Swedes. :)
!!/eightball Is a gender-neutral pronoun a good thing?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: don't you think emacs is great?
I hate this bot.
 
@Karl'sstudents I am using that same trackball!
 
kan
@NicolaTalbot I promise, I only starred your comment, not David's. I even understood as such. :)
 
@PauloCereda Someone's tampered with your bot!
 
12:41 PM
@PauloCereda Bah, I am from the middle east :P
 
@DannyBland Nice!
 
@JosephWright Somehow that doesn't work very well outside of Sweden. (Well maybe Scandanavia.) :)
 
@kan :-)
 
@NicolaTalbot Indeed! It's a plot!
I'm sure I saw teh pope tweeting something like habemus falklands today. o.O
 
@PauloCereda LOL Now that the wicked witch is dead.
 
12:45 PM
@AlanMunn LOL
 
Although had he really said it it would have been habemus malvinas
 
@AlanMunn Indeed! :) I remember watching a Simpsons episode when Krusty the clown mentioned about "Ilhas Falklands". I was like, "Argentine coast? Where is it?" :)
 
I promise I'll fix the bug once the duck book's ready.
 
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1:00 PM
@barbarbeeton hmm I wonder if this works: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/108311/…
 
The author of songs registered in the site today and answered two questions.
 
@PauloCereda Let's hope the package will find its way in CTAN.
 
@egreg Indeed, that would be great.
 
kan
@DavidCarlisle It does as expected, am I misunderstanding sth? I think that flalign flushes the equations to either side of the page...
Of course, the point with flalign is: it does the optimal possible thing, depending on the instruction. For instance, if you did not have those & at the end, before `\`, then, it would have understood that no other equation follows that and it would have been aligned in the center.
@egreg Can you please confirm what I wrote above? :)
 
1:21 PM
@kan flalign stands for "full length align". It shouldn't be used except for very particular displays.
 
kan
@egreg Hah, I couldn't guess what it meant...
 
@kan hey you looked at the manual, I was watching it in tracingall didn't think of looking at the doc:-)
 
kan
Perhaps, the following will illustrate my understanding:
 
@egreg does it really? not flush left? I never really thought about it that way
 
kan
@DavidCarlisle oh, I apologise: I did.
(As you can see, I even scraped out the relevant part of the documentation...
Hah, in my understanding, flalign (resp. flalign*) can double as align(resp. align*)...
 
1:24 PM
@DavidCarlisle That's the fleqn option.
 
kan
So, one way to correct OP's example might be as follows:
\begin{flalign*}
a & = b
\\
& = c
\\
& = d
\end{flalign*}
 
@egreg yes but I'd always assumes that the fl in the two words stood for the same thing (or if I didn't always think that I'd forgotten:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle It's not very clear in the documentation. But the only example of flalign* should remove any doubt.
 
@egreg the code of flalign has a lot of tests for fleqn and setting mathshift to \@mathindent so it looks as if is trying to indent by that amount but I suspect it halves it somewhere along the way while forgetting about fleqn and thinking about centering
 
@DavidCarlisle In a fleqn document you don't want that a full length alignment sticks in the normal margin for the other displays.
 
1:33 PM
@egreg well true if you know that flalign is supposed to be full length:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle :-) Where is the picture mode answer?
 
kan
flalign is for multiple alignment groups spreading across the entire column width... says a doc found on ams ftp.
 
@percusse I went for the % at ends of line answer, but it didn't work.
 
kan
Weekend Target: 1200.
 
1:51 PM
@DavidCarlisle perhaps you could take a quick look at tex.stackexchange.com/questions/108329/…
 
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