TeX, LaTeX and Friends - 2013-04-11 (page 1 of 2)

It's an automatic measurement made by the chat infrastructure. :) It counts from the message that starts the bookmark until the message that ends it. :)

Speravir

@PauloCereda I mean all. Marc’s is just the extremum.

@PauloCereda ???

Paulo Cereda

@Speravir Here: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/1728/…

@Speravir When we set a chatroom bookmark, we select the beginning and end of it. :) The measurement is calculated by the time difference between these two messages.

If it's too confusing, I can leave only the date.

Speravir

@PauloCereda Ah, simply bookmarks set …

Paulo Cereda

@Speravir Yes. :)

Interview with David Carlisle

Apr 12 '12 at 17:18, 3 hours 10 minutes total – 178 messages, 11 users, 41 stars

@DavidCarlisle: ^^ 41 stars.

cmhughes

12:08 AM

@DavidCarlisle @PauloCereda how about latexindent? It's really designed for LaTeX files, not so much for TeX files...

Paulo Cereda

@cmhughes Sounds cool. :)

Just in case, David's reference:

Great Crested Grebe

The Great Crested Grebe (Podiceps cristatus) is a member of the grebe family of water birds. Description The Great Crested Grebe is the largest member of the grebe family found in the Old World, with some larger species residing in the Americas. They measure long with a wingspan and weigh . It is an excellent swimmer and diver, and pursues its fish prey underwater. The adults are unmistakable in summer with head and neck decorations. In winter, this is whiter than most grebes, with white above the eye, and a pink bill. It is the largest European grebe. The young are distinctive bec...

David Carlisle

@cmhughes sounds good

cmhughes

@PauloCereda I'm quite familiar with them- my Dad is a twitcher, so I have been dragged kicking and screaming around more nature reserves than I can remember :) I think if it's going to be a bird, my Dad would probably vote for Harrier

Speravir

@PauloCereda Let it be, perhaps just a short remark. And for Marc as note what you wrote above (broken connection and desease).

Paulo Cereda

@Speravir I'll fix it tomorrow, hopefully. :)

@cmhughes How nice! :)

Speravir

12:11 AM

@PauloCereda Oh, that's not fixing, just enhancing …

Paulo Cereda

@Speravir :)

Speravir

@cmhughes I know you posted the link to indent.exe already, but could you be so nice? Is this done with this special perl method also used for biber?

cmhughes

@Speravir happily :) github.com/cmhughes/latexindent.plx er, I don't know how biber was made into an executable- I used pp -o indent.exe indent.pl

@Speravir I don't know if you've used it before, but it has quite a few options - the manual (draft) has some details... hoping to get it finished and released in the next month or so...

Speravir

@cmhughes No, actually not needed. But you asked for Windows users, though I have Perl installed …

cmhughes

@Speravir oh ok, great :) hopefully you can run indent.exe without any need for Perl. You'll need defaultSettings.yaml in the same directory

Speravir

12:19 AM

@cmhughes Thankfully I decided to download the whole repository …

cmhughes

@Speravir ok, no problem :) I plan to tidy it up soon, hopefully make it a little cleaner

Speravir

@cmhughes BTW Only seconds ago you spoke about a name change and I already see the result …

cmhughes

@Speravir the arara rule is also updated- I checked it at work today (on Windows) and it worked well... would love to hear your findings

@Speravir ah, actually that was the original name- I just haven't updated it :)

Speravir

@cmhughes Ooh, shame on me.

cmhughes

@Speravir not at all- shame on my lack of git skills

Speravir

12:25 AM

@cmhughes (I hope @PauloCereda does not read this) I have no arara. :-/ I wanted to wait for an integrated MiKTeX version …

cmhughes

@Speravir ah yes, I know the feeling- I actually changed to TeXLive last week for specifically that reason

Paulo Cereda

@Speravir :) It's actually my fault, I still had no time to contact the MiKTeX developers. :(

cmhughes

anyone got a favourite resource for learning about git?

Speravir

@PauloCereda Be not too optimistic, it’s only one.

Paulo Cereda

@Speravir Oh.

Speravir

12:33 AM

@cmhughes @PauloCereda Silly me: I have a portable TeX Live installation here!

cmhughes

@Speravir sweet :)

Kurt

@Speravir I knew this, but the problem was, that they found no end. And that this thing is bad shows that several newspapers do not use the new rules with very good reasons. And all the time the rules that scholar had to learn changes. That was more than unprofressional ...

Speravir

@PauloCereda I do not know, what is hardcoded there, but in general in MiKTeX it should be similar sorted like in TeX Live. The binary is the problem, perhaps.

@Kurt I see it like you …

cmhughes

@Speravir I assume you've seen

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Q: How to install arara with MiKTeX / Windows?

Arara is a tool to automate your LaTeX workflow. It comes pre-installed with TeXLive 2012. However, I could not find any reference on how to install it on MikTeX / Windows. In the documentation it says, that there is an executable on the github page, but there is none. MikTeX does not have it in ...

Kurt

@Speravir :-)

Speravir

12:43 AM

@cmhughes Eeeh, yes, but as I said I wanted to wait … and in between I forgot it (shame on me).

texenthusiast

1:10 AM

@PauloCereda are directives space sensitive ?

Paulo Cereda

@texenthusiast Usually no. But I might need an example to be sure. :)

texenthusiast

@PauloCereda Case 1: %arara: pdflatex: {synctex: yes, action: nonstopmode}, Case 2: % arara: pdflatex:{synctex: yes, action: nonstopmode}

Paulo Cereda

@texenthusiast If I recall correctly, there must be at least one space in % arara, but I can't remember the latter. Let me check the code.

texenthusiast

@PauloCereda using sample.bib and bib.tex

Paulo Cereda

@texenthusiast No space is require for the latter. At least it's what my regex says. :)

texenthusiast

1:25 AM

@PauloCereda Case 3: `% arara: pdflatex: {synctex:yes, action: nonstopmode}` the corresponding error is "It appears there is a malformed directive found at line 1, that
is, a directive that might have a YAML syntax error or an invalid
field. I tried my best to dump the error message, so here it is:

Context: while scanning a plain scalar
Problem: found unexpected ':'
Error found in line 0, column 18.
pdflatex: {synctex:yes, action: nonstopmode}
^
"

Speravir

@PauloCereda Because I guess @DavidCarlisle just has not logged out, I think you’re the only active TeXpert here (hello @Qrrbrbirlbel): I think, this is clearly wrong: tex.stackexchange.com/a/108041/9237.

Paulo Cereda

@texenthusiast Could you try adding a space after synctex: ?

Qrrbrbirlbel

@Speravir That works because of how environments work

texenthusiast

@PauloCereda Case: A % arara: pdflatex: {synctex: yes, action: nonstopmode} , This works

Qrrbrbirlbel

\begin{#1} makes \begingroup\csname #1\endcsname, ergo \begingroup\listoffigures and \end{#1} makes \csname end#1\endcsname\endgroup ergo \relax\endgroup (because \endlistoffigures doesn't exist).

Paulo Cereda

1:30 AM

@texenthusiast Indeed. The error message tells me that the YAML parser finds a "invalid" char for the scalar. The lack of space in the key/value pair generated the error. Good to know.

texenthusiast

@PauloCereda I am using arara 3.0.

Paulo Cereda

@texenthusiast The last version. :)

Speravir

@Qrrbrbirlbel Aah …

Qrrbrbirlbel

@Speravir So he is doing \begingroup\listoffigures\thispagestyle{fancy}\endgroup. I don't know much about pagestyles but I understand that this does only affect one page anyway?

Paulo Cereda

@Qrrbrbirlbel As far as I know, yes.

@texenthusiast I usually add spaces, since the parser has less trouble with them than without them. :P

Qrrbrbirlbel

1:33 AM

@Speravir I don't know what the canonical experts opinion is on this, but I have talked about this on another answer: tex.stackexchange.com/a/101587/16595

Speravir

@Qrrbrbirlbel Yes, and the OP would have wanted \begingroup\pagestyle{fancy}\listoffigures\endgroup, as far as I understand it from fast reading.

texenthusiast

@PauloCereda I did a mistake when i was copying the syntax. Hence i got into errors. A good example syntax of basic directives will benefit the manual for quick starter and lazy guys like me.

Qrrbrbirlbel

@Speravir Let me try the MWE. I never use pagestyles …

Paulo Cereda

@texenthusiast You are right, I'll add this suggestion to my TODO list. :) I also have some suggestions from Heiko to implement. :)

texenthusiast

@PauloCereda Thanks for having a great heart and mind too which is very rare combo.

Qrrbrbirlbel

1:36 AM

@Speravir After reading the question (should have done that first), the answer does not answer the question. The first page of the LoF is still not fancy (of course, it uses the plain \chapter style).

Speravir

@Qrrbrbirlbel So, we are two.

Qrrbrbirlbel

@Speravir @Werner is still active. ;)

Speravir

@Qrrbrbirlbel Yes, just seen it.

Paulo Cereda

@texenthusiast I don't know what to say. :) It's a pleasure to help.

texenthusiast

@Qrrbrbirlbel Is this comment valid with pgfplots revision 1.8, texlive 2013 and improved IEEE double

@PauloCereda the point where one cannot speak or write or express is where god is

Qrrbrbirlbel

1:39 AM

@texenthusiast Improved IEEE double? Huh?

Paulo Cereda

@texenthusiast ;)

texenthusiast

@Qrrbrbirlbel may be its for metapost: native support for PNG output and floating-point (IEEE double) has been added

Qrrbrbirlbel

@texenthusiast What does metapost have to do with pgfmath? I don't get it.

Paulo Cereda

Bah, listings is boring, it doesn't let me laugh. There's a nolol thingy.

Qrrbrbirlbel

@PauloCereda At least, there's no yolo setting. :P

texenthusiast

1:44 AM

@Qrrbrbirlbel will the both match in texlive 2013 or near future ?

Paulo Cereda

@Qrrbrbirlbel Indeed! :)

texenthusiast

is openid not accepted for github ?

Qrrbrbirlbel

@texenthusiast No... One of them uses cjorssen PGF math function (which uses TeX math calculation) and the other uses the mathematical engine from gnuplot. No metapost involved ...

texenthusiast

@Qrrbrbirlbel is there any chance they match in near future ? I know its not MP related

Qrrbrbirlbel

@texenthusiast I don't think so. I don't even know whether the the fpu library (pgf) helps that much. I used that one and don't know if it even has helped then. Though, let's try...

texenthusiast

1:51 AM

@Qrrbrbirlbel i need the precision for my work in CFD unfortunately its a problem for me to export large amount to ascii (GB)and then downsample to be able to plot in pgf.

Paulo Cereda

I must admit, I have some cool wallpapers. :)

texenthusiast

@PauloCereda WoW :)

Qrrbrbirlbel

@texenthusiast If you need precision, don't use TeX (well, its mathematical abilities). For plotting it won't matter that much because you can't read precise values in a plot anyway.

Speravir

Oh, Svend Tveskæg ~~runs amok~~ is active editing, again. Just 80 edits away from 2000 points …

texenthusiast

@Qrrbrbirlbel Yes, Its like i have to do more work for me. Thanks for that confirmation.

Qrrbrbirlbel

1:56 AM

@texenthusiast The PGF manual has a section about the fpu library: "The FPU supports at least the complete IEEE double precision number range."

Though, I don't know exactly how to use the fpu library. Also, the erf function has to adjusted, I think.

texenthusiast

@Qrrbrbirlbel Ok, I liked that answer. very nice comparison excellent.

Paulo Cereda

2

Q: How to insert formula number inside formula?

I want to put a formula number inside an \align enviroment. For eaxmple \documentclass[12pt]{article} \usepackage[left=2cm,right=2cm, top=2cm,bottom=2cm,bindingoffset=0cm]{geometry} \usepackage{amssymb,amsmath} \usepackage[utf8]{inputenc} \usepackage[matrix,arrow,curve]{xy} \usepackage[russian]...

formatting cross-referencing

Formulaception?

Sorry, Red Bull effect. :)

Qrrbrbirlbel

@texenthusiast Also: The FPU’s relative precision is at least 1e4 although operations like addition have a relative precision of 1e6.

texenthusiast

@Qrrbrbirlbel ok, I need 1e-15 precision matlab double

Qrrbrbirlbel

@texenthusiast (My previous post should read 1e-4 and 1e-6, of course.)

texenthusiast

2:09 AM

@Qrrbrbirlbel ok

Qrrbrbirlbel

@texenthusiast If you really need (fast) precision, don't use TeX. Is there a software you usually use for that?

By the way, pgfplots can only use every nth point if you provide it too many data points.

There's no need to plot 1000 data points in one mm².

If you want to plot a function, use gnuplot. It is very well implemented in pgfplots and pgf.

texenthusiast

@Qrrbrbirlbel calling Gnuplot is good , i like that approach.

Qrrbrbirlbel

4:41 AM

@percusse I made myself a gear one on path (notice that the middle is not filled with white):

percusse

7:07 AM

@Qrrbrbirlbel Cool. Looks nice.

topskip

@PauloCereda Not as boring as mine :)

Stephan Lehmke

@topskip "Look Ma, there's an arara up in the sky!"

9

Flow

8:42 AM

Hi there, I want to use itemize with minted, i.e. an \item with a title followed by a short (2-4 lines code) minted environment. But the naive approach does not work, the minted environment is losing all new lines. Any ideas?

Ahh nevermind, I found the reason :)

Jake

@JosephWright: About tex.stackexchange.com/a/108086/2552: In my defense, the use of x in the numbers together with product-units=single is taken from the manual.

Joseph Wright

@Jake Yes, but I think there I was trying to illustrate that some people would give say the dimensions of a room as '4 x 3 m', even though it should be '4 m x 3 m' or (4 x 3) m'.

@Jake I do know that people do all sorts of odd things :-)

Karl's students

9:33 AM

I need a confirmation whether or not my understanding is correct. Is microtype compatible with latex-dvips-ps2pdf?

tohecz

@PauloCereda ROFL, you should find out what "blb" means in Czech ;)

@Karl'sstudents Hi! Well, you can try out, can't you?

Karl's students

@tohecz Not yet.

tohecz

\usepackage[stretch=300]{microtype}
...
\lipsum

Karl's students

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{microtype}
\usepackage{blindtext}
\begin{document}
\Blinddocument
\end{document}

produces 7 bad boxes in latex->dvips->ps2pdf

but 0 bad boxes with pdflatex

tohecz

@Karl'sstudents now add [stretch=300], then you should see very clearly the stretch

Karl's students

9:40 AM

@tohecz: stretch does not work in latex-dvips-ps2pdf, the page still 16 rather than 13.

OK. the summary is IT is not compatible. End. Thank you!

tohecz

@Karl'sstudents then the conclusion is that microtype doesn't work this way.

Well, you can try adding \usepackage{lmodern}\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}, it might change something

egreg

@Karl'sstudents Not all features work in DVI mode, notably expansion.

tohecz

oh, Hi @egreg !

egreg

@tohecz Hi Tom!

Karl's students

@tohecz: no difference with your additional packages.

tohecz

9:42 AM

@Karl'sstudents ok

Torbjørn T.

@Karl'sstudents Have you seen table 1 (page 7) in the manual?

Karl's students

@TorbjørnT. I forgot. Because I read it several year ago. Auto and tracking are not available.

percusse

Also page 1 : Note that font expansion and character protrusion will only work with pdfTeX, at least version 0.14f. Automatic font expansion requires version 1.20 or newer. Disabling ligatures requires pdfTeX 1.30, letterspacing and the adjustment of interword spacing and of kerning requires version 1.40. The package will by default enable protrusion and expansion if they can safely be assumed to work. These two features are also available with luaTeX . The
microtype package does not work with XeTeX.

Karl's students

@percusse: Among the "strange" terminologies, protrusion, expansion, auto, tracking, etc, which features are the most important to make better hyphenation (because i just need this feature)?

percusse

@Karl'sstudents I don't think they are strange per se but because we don't know enough typography. So that's a very difficult question for me. I wish I knew.

But essentially, microtype relies on some features that only PDF engine provides but not dvips. So it might be very difficult to replicate in PS.

Qrrbrbirlbel

9:56 AM

@tohecz Interesting:

Idiot

Idiot je zastaralé označení pro člověka postiženého těžkou mentální retardací (též slabomyslností či oligofrenií), tj. s narušenými psychickými funkcemi. Možnosti vzdělávání při takto silném postižení jsou většinou silně omezené. Česká psychiatrie v současné době slovo idiot nepoužívá zejména z důvodu jeho pejorativního výrazu a nahrazuje jej podle míry deficitu označením těžká nebo hluboká mentální retardace. Světová zdravotnická organizace podle vlastního třídění mentální retardace označuje za idiocii IQ jedince nižší než 35, přičemž v rozmezí 20–35 jde o idiocii prostou, při IQ nižším...

Charles Stewart

@Karl'sstudents Expansion is very easy to grasp: you just stretch the line contents. Protrusion is a bit trickier, but it is about some things poking out further out from the edge than they would under Knuth's algorithm. I don't know what aut-tracking is.

@percusse I had the impression about this being stuff that no-one made the time to implement. I guess these things can be done in Postscript.

Karl's students

@CharlesStewart OK. Thank you.

Charles Stewart

@Karl'sstudents If you really want to understand this stuff, you have to study how the algorithms work. I see to recall Taco saying that expansion was more important that all the other techniques in reducing the mount of hyphenation.

Karl's students

@CharlesStewart There should be prerequisites to learn it and it is impossible right now. :-)

percusse

@CharlesStewart I think there is a good reason (unknown to me) why XeTeX didn't have these from the start

topskip

10:08 AM

@CharlesStewart I think that's obvious, only expansion changes the possible hyphenation points!?!?

@percusse XeTeX was DVI only in the beginning

Charles Stewart

@topskip Anything that changes the number of characters you can fit on a line might change the usable hyphenation points - I should think that includes protrusion.

topskip

@CharlesStewart But the amount of protrusion is fixed, not variable. Therefore turning on protrusion only changes the possible hyphenation points, but does not optimize anything.

... it doesn't introduce more possible hyphenation points

Charles Stewart

@topskip At the least it will widen some lines as measured in points, which gives you a tiny bit more freedom with expansion. Don't ask me to construct an example, though...

topskip

@CharlesStewart not necessarily so. If you have a loose line and stretch it even more by protrusion, expansion could introduce even less breaking points than without protrusion.

... But don't ask me to construct ....

Charles Stewart

@topskip You have me thinking you are probably right. So protrusion might affect possible hyphenation without actually making the situation any better overall

i.e. you introduce just as many hyphenations as you solve

topskip

10:19 AM

@CharlesStewart I am not sure if my argument is completely correct, but I think your conclusion is

Charles Stewart

@topskip Agreement with constructing a single example!

w/with/without/

David Carlisle

@topskip it still is isn't it?

topskip

@DavidCarlisle Yes, I think so, but it looks to the user as if it skips the DVI step (I don't use XeTeX, so I just assume it is)

David Carlisle

@topskip yes it just runs dvipdfmx at the end.

Charles Stewart

@DavidCarlisle Xetex doesn't use the same representation as web2c tex: they changed at least the character encoding in their variant DVI

David Carlisle

10:22 AM

@CharlesStewart true it's extended dvi but still more like dvi than it is like pdf:-)

Charles Stewart

@DavidCarlisle True. I wonder if they changed anything that might make conversion to PDF easier.

Is there anything special Xetexnicians have to do with PS specials?

Paulo Cereda

@topskip oooh! At least it's a hi def wallpaper. :)

@StephanLehmke haha great! :)

topskip

@PauloCereda and self made :)

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz Uh-oh! :)

@topskip A photo?

topskip

Yes.

Paulo Cereda

10:28 AM

@topskip Wow!

topskip

The nice thing is that when I look at the clouds I remember lying in the sun in the summer while looking at the clouds. And that gives a a nice warm feeling, even when it's f***g cold here (as it was here for the last few months).

Paulo Cereda

@topskip Ah! :) Our winter is coming, but the temperature is not as cold as it is for you. :)

topskip

10:55 AM

Interesting: hummingbirdnotation.com

Paulo Cereda

@topskip Wait a minute! I don't know this notation, but by the looks of it, America (My Country ‘Tis of Thee) is played with the tune of God Save The Queen?!

It's the first songsheet I clicked. :)

tohecz

@Qrrbrbirlbel A nice part is that "idiot used to denote someone caring only about himself" ;)

topskip

@PauloCereda you're probably right (I am not an expert, just like that people try to find out if there are alternative notations for long standing ways of writing things)

tohecz

I have a peer-to-peer eth connection to another device. How do I get to know its IP address?

Paulo Cereda

@topskip :)

woohoo over 23k+ votes!

Nicola Talbot

11:36 AM

@PauloCereda Oooh, I'm flattered, but I'm not sure I'd have anything interesting to say about myself.

Paulo Cereda

@NicolaTalbot Of course you have! :) You are a TeXpert, author of several packages, has several books on TeX and friends, a writer, a publisher, a professor, uses vim, likes ice cream... :)

Nicola Talbot

@PauloCereda I haven't reached the lofty ranks of professor, just a lowly PhD. (I think professor has different meanings in different countries.) Okay, I will :-)

But no one's allowed to mention finding a bug in glossaries :-P

Paulo Cereda

@NicolaTalbot Yay!

@NicolaTalbot We need to watch out for @DavidCarlisle. :)

Nicola Talbot

@PauloCereda :-)

David Carlisle

@NicolaTalbot unfortunately it's been starred so you are in the hall of shame on the right forever (or at least until there are so many arara bugs starred that you get pushed down.

Paulo Cereda

11:48 AM

@DavidCarlisle Not to mention the dandelion ones. :)

Nicola Talbot

@DavidCarlisle Oh no! I don't know if anyone remembers me banging my head against the wall in frustration last year over a glossaries problem related to OR. I managed to fix it in the end, but three guesses as to which bit of code this new bug is in. (No prizes for guessing right.)

topskip

Off topic?

5

Q: Fonts specific to a country?

I am working on a multilingual book about some European Union countries. The selected are: Poland, Greece, Spain, Italy, Romania, Czech Republic, Austria, Turkey, Estonia. I wish to write chapter about a country using a font in some way specific for it. The Polish (free) fonts are, e.g., Antykw...

fonts

Qrrbrbirlbel

@topskip The "Memorable" section should be better explained. I was thinking: What are groove-y notes?

topskip

@Qrrbrbirlbel It's just a "G". The "Dot" notes are a "D", the Empty notes an "E" and so on

Qrrbrbirlbel

@topskip Yes! That took me quite a bit time. But this is something that will be language-specific.

topskip

11:59 AM

@Qrrbrbirlbel Exactly. The "B" is called "H" here

(IIRC)

Qrrbrbirlbel

Yes, and B flat is the B. But ... "Über" doesn't start with an A is the real problem.

topskip

@Qrrbrbirlbel The author probably believes that there is only one language in the whole world.

Paulo Cereda

@topskip, @Qrrbrbirlbel: I sense some bird-related trend these days. :)

tohecz

@topskip yes it is, in German, Czech, Polish and Slovak.

Claudio Fiandrino

12:30 PM

I think lockstep will sooner receive another Steward badge for Suggested Edits: tex.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/stats. Congrats :)

lockstep

@ClaudioFiandrino Thanks -- there were lots of suggested edits in the last few days. (But I won't be the first one to get the "Close Votes" Steward badge.)

Which reminds me: About a dozen items should appear in the "Close Votes" queue soon. ;-)

Claudio Fiandrino

12:51 PM

@lockstep Yes, probably Kurt would be the first in that case :)

lockstep

@ClaudioFiandrino That's because suggesting items for closing doesn't count as reviewing them. ;-)

lockstep

1:03 PM

One upvote, please (or votes to close the question):

0

A: Remove footer on title page or change content frame size

As your closing text ("TEXT3") doesn't contain any characters that descend below the baseline, add a \strut to correct the vertical alignment. \documentclass[titlepage]{scrartcl} \usepackage{showframe} \begin{document} \begin{titlepage} TEXT1 \vfill TEXT2 \vfill TEXT3\strut \end{titlepage} \end{...

Paulo Cereda

1:19 PM

Any dirty tricks in using listings with accents? :)

Qrrbrbirlbel

@PauloCereda UTF8?

Paulo Cereda

@Qrrbrbirlbel Oh! Should I set something?

Qrrbrbirlbel

@PauloCereda Erm ... what seems to be the problem?

Paulo Cereda

@Qrrbrbirlbel I can't use accented chars directly in listings. :)

// meu método
...

It doesn't work. :)

Qrrbrbirlbel

@PauloCereda Even though your source is in UTF8 and you the engine is set up?

Paulo Cereda

1:22 PM

@Qrrbrbirlbel Yes. :( Unless there's some setup in listings that I'm missing.

Claudio Fiandrino

@lockstep That's, IMHO, is very bad. Otherwise, I guess, you probably already had a Steward badge for close votes ;)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda write in English then the accents are not needed. Brilliant elegant solution don't you agree?

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh! :)

lockstep

@ClaudioFiandrino There's a long-standing feature reuqest at meta.so about incentives for closing -- I like the idea about a (separate) badge family for finding originals to possible duplicate questions.

Qrrbrbirlbel

@PauloCereda That is interesting the m and the é switch places:

lockstep

1:25 PM

371

Q: Give an incentive for finding duplicate questions

At present if you see a question that may be a duplicate and has an easy answer you can post the answers or post a link to the duplicate question. (Or the few hi-rep users can vote to close it as duplicate, think of normal users here, not the people that read Meta) It is better for Stack Overfl...

feature-request questions exact-duplicates incentive

Qrrbrbirlbel

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
\usepackage{listings}
\begin{document}
\begin{lstlisting}[extendedchars=false]
// meu método
\end{lstlisting}
\end{document}

Paulo Cereda

@David: If I write it in English, I can suggest your name to integrate my future thesis defense committee. :)

@Qrrbrbirlbel Oh my!

Nicola Talbot

@DavidCarlisle Unless you use one of the few English words that have an accent in them. Maybe it's a listing about pâté.

N3buchadnezzar

Heya

Paulo Cereda

@N3buchadnezzar howdy!

N3buchadnezzar

1:28 PM

Mind giving me a few suggestions? =)

Qrrbrbirlbel

@PauloCereda tex.stackexchange.com/q/39640/16595 may help, escaping it via [escapechar=|] and then doing // meu m|é|todo inside the lstlisting kerns weird.

N3buchadnezzar

Unsure about what path to follow for creating a bar menu :p

What I have so far folk.ntnu.no/oistes/Diverse/Realfagskjelleren.pdf =)

Paulo Cereda

@Qrrbrbirlbel Thanks I'll take a look.

Qrrbrbirlbel

@PauloCereda with [literate={é}{{\'e}}1] the kerning is still weird …

Paulo Cereda

@Qrrbrbirlbel If I recall correctly, there's a UTF-8 version of listings, but it's quite slow.

Qrrbrbirlbel

1:32 PM

@PauloCereda There's a link to it in the question I sent you.

Paulo Cereda

@Qrrbrbirlbel oopsie, I missed that.

David Carlisle

@NicolaTalbot only posh people bother with such niceties

Nicola Talbot

@DavidCarlisle With pâté or accents?

David Carlisle

@NicolaTalbot both

Charles Stewart

"
I have a peer-to-peer eth connection to another device. How do I get to know its IP address?" - You need a port scanner. If you are on a Unix-y machine, a good place to start is http://nmap.org/book/man-host-discovery.html

N3buchadnezzar

1:37 PM

@DavidCarlisle Possibly also People in the Posh Polish People Party.

David Carlisle

@NicolaTalbot If you are still having problems with OR steal some paras from here and blame it all on Frank for not persuading DEK to make a better TeX3.

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A: float a wide ctabular in two columns

TeX typesets paragraphs of text on to a (conceptually) infinite galley and then at certain times the Output Routine is invoked which splits off part of this galley and makes up a page, adding floats, the page head and foot, and footnotes etc. An important thing to note about this asynchronous nat...

Nicola Talbot

@DavidCarlisle dickimaw-books.com/latex/novices/html/symbols.html#obj:accents :-P

David Carlisle

@NicolaTalbot as I said:-)

Nicola Talbot

@DavidCarlisle I'm too busy editing piranhas :-P

nutty about natty

hi

Nicola Talbot

1:41 PM

@nuttyaboutnatty Hello :-)

nutty about natty

I've been trying for the last > 6h to get tables to work (to my liking)

am close to despairing ;)

I've figured this much:

I'd like to use:

threeparttable

booktabs

and probably tabu

Paulo Cereda

Sadly listingsutf8 only works with external files, not for inline lstlisting environments. :(

nutty about natty

and am stuck with tabu

google hasn't helped so far

spend quite some time on tabu's doc

(I'm still a LaTeX beginner)

what I'd want is for tabu to "just work", without me having to specifiy much

David Carlisle

@nuttyaboutnatty not my three favourite table packages but OK so far, what's the problem?

Nicola Talbot

@nuttyaboutnatty I've not used tabu. Can you produce a minimal example?

nutty about natty

1:45 PM

oh dear...

can I paste stuff in here?

David Carlisle

@nuttyaboutnatty you can but if you have a question requiring code, better to ask on the site, that's what it is there for

nutty about natty

(I'm happy to stay clear of tabu; basically I want to be able to create tables where the wrapping is done neatly for me)

Nicola Talbot

@nuttyaboutnatty Horizontal or vertical wrapping?

Do you mean within a cell?

nutty about natty

yeah, so that it doesn't overflow

David Carlisle

@nuttyaboutnatty latex wraps cell entries in p m or b columns, if you want the column widths to be determined automatically then there is tabularx tabu or tabulary

@nuttyaboutnatty what column spec are you using?

nutty about natty

1:49 PM

column spec? no idea; I'm (starting to) writing a thesis, and there'll be some tables of differing lengths

David Carlisle

@nuttyaboutnatty by column spec I mean \begin{tabular}{cccccllrr} the c l r specify what type of columns c l and r columns are one line and do not wrap

nutty about natty

I don't expect all of them to span the whole page width, so I'd like it to "be automatic" w.r.t. table width; maximum: page width; but normally could be narrower

ah, you see I'm really confused: I thought c l r are just center left right...

David Carlisle

@nuttyaboutnatty but what does your \begin command look like for your table?

Nicola Talbot

@nuttyaboutnatty Does this page help?

@nuttyaboutnatty c and r (and l) are for columns were the cells have a single line of text. As @David said there are p, m and b for cells that contain multiple lines.

nutty about natty

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{tabu}

\begin{document}

\begin{table}
\begin{tabu}
× & Total stuff & 1000 & 2000 & 3000 & 4000 & 5000 & 6000\\
DDD 1 & 47.6 & 29.1 & 1.0 & 0.2 & 1.9 & 15.2 & 0.0\\
FFF & 42.5 & 15.2 & 12.7 & 0.0 & 1.2 & 13.4 & 0.0\\
UUU & 24.8 & 10.8 & 6.4 & 0.0 & 3.2 & 4.5 & 0.0\\
× & × & × & × & × & × & × & ×\\
Unweighted average: & × & × & × & × & × & × & ×\\
OOO & 33.8 & 11.3 & 9.1 & 0.4 & 1.8 & 11.0 & 0.2\\
\end{tabu}
\end{table}

\end{document}

gives me a Package array Error: Illegal pream-token (Ã): `c' used.

David Carlisle

1:54 PM

Ah so you have specified no columns at all. That's bad:-) you need somethimng like \begin{tabu}{cccc} for for centred columns.

nutty about natty

hmm

:)

David Carlisle

@nuttyaboutnatty and essentially the same syntax if yiu use tabular or tabularx or any latex table environment. there are lots of extra things you can do to customise the column layout but starting with c is good:-)

nutty about natty

@DavidCarlisle before I dare go any further on this thin layer of ice... why are these (and esp. tabu) not amongst your "favourites" ?

reading the wiki-book on LaTeX (and tables), there seems to be (though it's not ueber-clear) a preference for tabu over tabular*xyz

lockstep

@nuttyaboutnatty IIRC, the author of tabu has stated that he doesn't care about compatibility between versions.

tohecz

@CharlesStewart thanks

nutty about natty

2:01 PM

@lockstep okay... which do you prefer (and/or would you recommend a beginner who wants to make the "correct" choice) ?

Nicola Talbot

@nuttyaboutnatty One of @DavidCarlisle's packages :-)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle: Another chance for harvesting rep by adding "emacs" as an answer here: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/108128/…

Well, in that case, "Aquamacs". :)

lockstep

@nuttyaboutnatty booktabs for beautiful rules, tabularx if you want columns with wrapping plus automatic width calculation. Also have a look at this question:

nutty about natty

@NicolaTalbot thanks for the above link; will read (as soon as my screen calms down a bit ;) Also, do you happen to have a link handy to David's packages?

lockstep

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Q: How to create fixed width table columns with text raggedright/centered/raggedleft?

I would like to create a table with some columns' width specified, while the text in those columns should be centered both horizontally and vertically. I found out that \usepackage{array} \begin{tabular}{| c | c | m{5cm} |} vertically centers the text in the last column, but justifies it horiz...

tables horizontal-alignment width

Nicola Talbot

2:04 PM

@nuttyaboutnatty To be honest, I just stick with tabular (if it's small enough to fit on 1 page) or longtable (if it's longer than a page).

@nuttyaboutnatty ctan.org/author/carlisle

nutty about natty

oh yes: I do not plan to include tables longer than one page; I might use the rotate-thingy, though, occasionaly

@NicolaTalbot (though I almost expect it'll be in the link you gave me), how would I "generically" prevent "cell overflow" if I used the bog-standard tabular?

Nicola Talbot

@nuttyaboutnatty What do you mean by "cell overflow"?

nutty about natty

that it doesn't wrap

Nicola Talbot

@nuttyaboutnatty If you want the lines to wrap within a cell use a paragraph column specifier such as p. If you want to ensure the lines in a cell never wrap use one of the l, c or r column specifiers.

nutty about natty

I do want it to wrap!

Moreover, is there a way I could specifiy for an entire document that all cells should wrap (no "overflow"), or would I need to specificy with the "p" every time?

Nicola Talbot

2:14 PM

@nuttyaboutnatty You need to specify the column alignments every time you create a table.

nutty about natty

Further, given David's comment above: it seems one always needs to specifiy the (number of) columnns, so that one would simultaneously specifiy the "p"; is that so?

ok...

thanks! I really need a break now (I might pop in back later); much appreciate the feedback.

Nicola Talbot

@nuttyaboutnatty Yes, that's right.

David Carlisle

2:29 PM

@nuttyaboutnatty threeparttable is fine, it just does what it does booktabs is fine but not if you want to do as you said originally "make the tables as you like them" booktabs intentionaly removes a lot of flexibility so that you enforce a style preferred by the booktabs author (which actually is a pretty good style for formal numerical tables) tabu, ah what can you say about tabu. It has lots of good ideas but it is gratuitously incompatible with everything else

Qrrbrbirlbel

2:49 PM

Aah, LilyPond, the early days:

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tohecz

@Qrrbrbirlbel 'tis no fun...

Paulo Cereda

@Qrrbrbirlbel Wow, that's cool!

texenthusiast

3:23 PM

@NicolaTalbot Hello Madam Another Fan of yours like me, But i could not understand . tex.stackexchange.com/a/108155/15717

Nicola Talbot

@texenthusiast You can't use fragile commands in a moving argument. Technically \gls isn't fragile (at least not in later versions of the package), but if you put it in a caption, that glossary entry will be "used" in the list of figures/tables and will cause a location to be added to the glossary for the list of page, which isn't appropriate. Using \glsentrytext just uses the entry's text without adding a location.

(I didn't realise that theoval link was still valid. It would be better to change it to the document's ctan link.)

texenthusiast

@NicolaTalbot Madam Thanks, you can proceed to change it if you wish as i dont have that rep.

Nicola Talbot

@texenthusiast I think I might add it as a comment. (I've now got the rep, but I haven't edited some one else's answers before.)

texenthusiast

@NicolaTalbot Peers can edit i am still a newbie. Thanks a lot Madam.

Paulo Cereda

3:41 PM

20 years of Senna's awesome race on Donington Park! :)