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1:13 AM

I've a silly question, the answer to which I haven't been able to fine elsewhere. Is there an "official" name for the naming convention for color that uses exclamation marks (e.g. green!40)?

Skillmon

6:57 AM

@LaTeXereXeTaL the xcolor documentation calls them "color expression"

yo'

7:16 AM

@barbarabeeton exclusively extrusive?

Joseph Wright

7:41 AM

@Skillmon So do 'we' in l3color (as I nicked the idea from xcolor)

Paulo Cereda

8:21 AM

quack

Ulrike Fischer

@PauloCereda the dinner guests aren't there yet.

Paulo Cereda

@UlrikeFischer ooh

Plergux

baaa

Rmano

8:53 AM

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Aaaarrrrr? ;-P

Plergux

@Rmano Yarrr! :D

Rmano

@PauloCereda youtube.com/watch?v=xIEWgxuaPyA camera---man---squirrel

Paulo Cereda

@Plergux ooh quack

@Rmano ooh

Plergux

For those interested (@AlanMunn @UlrikeFischer) I have successfully managed to get my thesis draft to work with a very nice font called Linux Libertine called straight from system by LuaLaTeX :D #veryhappy

Paulo Cereda

@Plergux ooh sheep skills

Skillmon

9:21 AM

@JosephWright I thought it would be a good idea to point out the term used by xcolor, since that's, afaik, the origin of such expressions. Luckily it seems I was right :)

Plergux

@PauloCereda Tex-Fu :p

Paulo Cereda

@Plergux ooh a ninja sheep

Plergux

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Paulo Cereda

@Plergux OH MY

3

@Plergux ^^ my attempt

Drat, I cannot even draw a proper square

Plergux

@PauloCereda LOL "Mr. Duck, Will you stand up please?" :p

David Carlisle

9:35 AM

@yo' I just reported this to the springer publishing contact form, not sure if overleaf would fix their template anyway? tex.stackexchange.com/a/571496/1090

Paulo Cereda

@Plergux oh no, things will explode :)

I know where this is going

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda looks like the front of an oven, the duck is probably inside

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle OH NO

samcarter_preparing_for_xmas

@Plergux Check out this font: thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/…

Plergux

@samcarter_preparing_for_xmas Nice! :D although not quite suited for a thesis. Unless I introduce dropcaps and use that font :p

Paulo Cereda

9:39 AM

Plergux

@DavidCarlisle ...aaaand I just spat coffee all over myself. :D

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ^^ this will be a duck in the oven WAIT A MINUTE WHY DID I DRAW THAT

David Carlisle

9:57 AM

@Plergux I have it on good authority that this is a good font for a thesis

MY THESIS WILL USE THIS. — Paulo Cereda Dec 16 '16 at 11:10

Plergux

@DavidCarlisle Sold! :D

Rmano

@DavidCarlisle I set my last draft paper with it and sent it to my coauthors... it was fun to observe the reactions

One of them told me he greatly preferred the new version ;-)

David Carlisle

10:12 AM

@Rmano he must have had a very low opinion of the old version!

Rmano

@DavidCarlisle ieeetran class ;-)

Well, not so bad in the end.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle oh no

Skillmon

@PauloCereda I have your thesis on my machine, and I can't remember any sheep-letters.

@PauloCereda oh, btw., is your thesis done yet?

Paulo Cereda

@Skillmon ooh

@Skillmon it is, I guess

Harald Hanche-Olsen

10:32 AM

@PauloCereda or a duck who can't get out of vim?

Paulo Cereda

@HaraldHanche-Olsen ooh

Rmano

10:45 AM

@HaraldHanche-Olsen :quack

Harald Hanche-Olsen

11:20 AM

@Rmano E492: Not an editor command: quack

Rmano

@HaraldHanche-Olsen :-) well, with a bit of vimscript maybe... ;-)

:command quack q!

hmmm no. E183: User defined commands must start with an uppercase letter

so Quack it is @PauloCereda :command Quack q! --- ducks live dangerously

daleif

12:21 PM

anyone know how to get texstudio to run plain pdftex? or at least add a user command?

Think I found it

hmm, though, I cannot make it use magic comments

Paulo Cereda

@Rmano ooh

@daleif You could make it use arara. :)

daleif

@PauloCereda nope, not with this user

samcarter_preparing_for_xmas

12:43 PM

@daleif if pdftex is in the path, you should be able to use % !TeX TS-program = pdftex %

or if you created a user command: % !TeX program = txs:///<name of the user command>

* missing % at the end of the previous line

Poline Sandra

@DavidCarlisle hello, I do an example about tcolorbox and it gives me an error please help me if you have an idea : tex.stackexchange.com/questions/571535/…

daleif

@samcarter_preparing_for_xmas ahh, thanks, I usually don't use texstudio, but have a user who have been forced from Mac to windows (long story)

samcarter_preparing_for_xmas

@PolineSandra try with

\newtcbtheorem
  []% init options
  {definition}% name
  {تعريف}
  % title
  {%
    colback=green!5,
    colframe=green!35!black,
    fonttitle=\bfseries,
  }% options
 {}% prefix

(this gives some output, no idea if the output makes sense)

Paulo Cereda

@daleif Inside my head, I read from Mac to Whooper (sorry, I am an idiot).

samcarter_preparing_for_xmas

1:00 PM

@daleif That's like choosing between the plague and cholera :)

daleif

@samcarter_preparing_for_xmas Well Windows is not a bad as it used to be.

@samcarter_preparing_for_xmas name of the user command is that including the prefix as in say user0:pdftex?

Paulo Cereda

@samcarter_preparing_for_xmas ooh middle ages

samcarter_preparing_for_xmas

@daleif I think only the last part (I don't use user0 and define them as e.g. arara:arara and then use % !TeX program = txs:///arara)

Paulo Cereda

@samcarter_preparing_for_xmas <3

samcarter_preparing_for_xmas

@daleif The last one I used was win7 - so a bit of water might have gone down since then :)

@PauloCereda :D that's the most important command missing in texstudio

^^^ even made a button for it

Paulo Cereda

1:10 PM

@samcarter_preparing_for_xmas <3

daleif

@samcarter_preparing_for_xmas hmm, I cannot get that to work on my linux. I'll try with the latest from texstudio

hmm, that helped a little. I'd better check on a windows laptop

samcarter_preparing_for_xmas

@daleif (no guarantees for latest version, I'm using texstudio 2.12)

daleif

@samcarter_preparing_for_xmas That is what I was using, I couldn't get your lines to work. Is working now it seems, but I couldn't get it to work an hour ago on the users Windows.

samcarter_preparing_for_xmas

1:28 PM

@daleif as said above, I'm not a windows user, but maybe check if the texstudio path finds pdftex?

daleif

1:48 PM

why is a basic texlive still installing ae?

(my testlaptop does not have any texlive on it)

David Carlisle

2:16 PM

@PolineSandra It helps to add the error when asking about an error, I added it this time. I don't think I have ever uses tcolorbox but there are lots of people on site who can answer

yo'

@DavidCarlisle Ah thanks for checking. We in general don't actively care about 3rd party templates. However, this one seems to be uploaded by us, so we might update the template if a bugfix is released. (We're definitely not touching the class file ourselves.)

Alan Munn

@Plergux Once and a while we manage to give out good advice. :)

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David Carlisle

@yo' according to the history.txt change log distributed with the class, I have been there before.

 30.5.96  llncs.cls               incompatibility with new article.cls of
                                  1995/12/20 v1.3q Standard LaTeX document class,
                                  \if@openbib is no longer defined,
                                  reported by Ralf Heckmann and Graham Gough
                                  solution by David Carlisle

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle @PolineSandra you commented the last argument of the definition:

% {def}% prefix

yo'

@DavidCarlisle :-D

David Carlisle

2:22 PM

@PolineSandra just deleting things clearly unrelated you can vastly simplify your example

\documentclass[12pt,a4paper,openany]{book}


\usepackage{tcolorbox}

\tcbuselibrary{theorems}
\newtcbtheorem
  []% init options
  {definition}% name
  {abc}
  % title
  {%
    colback=green!5,
    colframe=green!35!black,
    fonttitle=\bfseries,
  }% options
% {def}% prefix

{}



\begin{document}
\begin{definition}{}{}
zzz
\end{definition}

\end{document}

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn ooh

Plergux

2:36 PM

@AlanMunn :D

daleif

2:50 PM

@samcarter_preparing_for_xmas ahh, learned something. the name used in txs:///name is the part before the " in the name of the user command, that seems to work

samcarter_preparing_for_xmas

@daleif oh, good to know!

daleif

" should have been a :

@samcarter_preparing_for_xmas ^^^

Paulo Cereda

@samcarter_preparing_for_xmas did you see the latest arara awesomeness? I had no idea we could provide a simple answer! :) tex.stackexchange.com/questions/571531/…

samcarter_preparing_for_xmas

@PauloCereda already voted for the code style emoji :)

Paulo Cereda

@samcarter_preparing_for_xmas ooh :)

barbara beeton

3:10 PM

@Plergux -- Wonderful news! (applause and cheering!)

Paulo Cereda

@barbarabeeton ooh we need a sheep choir

Plergux

@barbarabeeton Now that's taken care of it's back to drawing the a cross section of the retina in tikz. :p

Paulo Cereda

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ooh

@barbarabeeton ^^

Poline Sandra

4:22 PM

@DavidCarlisle please do you know how I can do the numeration of definition with respect to the section ?

Skillmon

@PolineSandra use the option number within=section.

Szabolcs

4:38 PM

Am I correct in thinking that LaTeX should hyphenate words, and if it doesn't (even in the case of underfull boxes) then something is wrong with my document?

David Carlisle

@PolineSandra why do you keep pinging me? A I said I have never used the package.

@Szabolcs er well no, it depends.

Szabolcs

@DavidCarlisle If I use the article class, then it hyphenates. If I use iopart, it does not. So it seems iopart disables it (or doesn't enable it)? I'm just really bothered by that one "underfull" line. The spaces are noticeably too large.

David Carlisle

@Szabolcs I don't have iopart but google suggest this sas.upenn.edu/~durduran/topost/iopart.cls but there I only see hyphenpenalty=10000 localy in titles and headings?

Poline Sandra

@Skillmon in any place please ?

LaTeXereXeTaL

Between classes.

Poline Sandra

4:50 PM

where classes?

Ulrike Fischer

today's treasure find:

\DeclareMathOperator{\m3/s}{...
\DeclareMathOperator{\m3/kg}{...
\DeclareMathOperator{\m/omm2}{...

@egreg @daleif ^^^

LaTeXereXeTaL

@PolineSandra The classes that I teach.

egreg

@UlrikeFischer Wonderful!

Ulrike Fischer

@egreg isn't it? There is also \kJ/kgK and \kJ/kg in that order, which basically works only that the output of the first is naturally wrong and they claimed to use this in hundreds of documents without problems. They must have a very good guardian angel.

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer Om my

@UlrikeFischer They've never heard of siunitx???

Paulo Cereda

4:59 PM

> Good news: receive your Flying Blue e-mails in Portuguese from now on!

^^ Awesome, localized spam!

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Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Spam localizado incrível!, surely

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright OMG

Alan Munn

@LaTeXereXeTaL scrbook or memoir? :)

LaTeXereXeTaL

@AlanMunn Ahh I see what you did there.

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright obviously not. There are tons of such declarations. And if they used that everywhere they obviously will not like the idea to adapt all their document to siunitx.

Paulo Cereda

5:03 PM

Upgrading my old Macbook to Fedora 33.

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer :)

@PauloCereda Cool

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright It already runs F30. :)

daleif

@UlrikeFischer kinda wanna keep a record of strange findings

David Carlisle

@egreg almost as wonderful as using a U+001B escape character to separate words:-)

\usepackage{siunitx}
\DeclareMathOperator{\m3/s}{...
\DeclareMathOperator{\m3/kg}{...
\DeclareMathOperator{\m/omm2}{...

@JosephWright better? ^^

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle :)

AlexG

7:39 PM

@PauloCereda Still using versioned Linux distro?

Paulo Cereda

@AlexG Someday I will use Rawhide. :)

Plergux

8:09 PM

@PauloCereda LFS :p

Alan Munn

8:39 PM

I know it's bad form to read documentation, but where is the new hook management stuff of the kernel documented?

Phelype Oleinik

@AlanMunn texdoc lthooks

Alan Munn

@PhelypeOleinik Thanks!

dedded

9:16 PM

As this is more of a matter-of-taste type question I'm not sure it belongs on tex.se proper, but if you think it does I'll ask it there.

Are there any fans of SourceSerifPro here? I'm using it, and am thinking it needs a little linespread, but I don't have an eye for such things. Any advice? What seemed to look good to me was an awful lot (10%).

Alan Munn

9:27 PM

@dedded I've never even heard of the font so no help. But I agree it's off topic for the site here. It actually might be on-topic for Graphic Design: graphicdesign.stackexchange.com . They hate font ID questions, but seem to have other question asking about leading for particular fonts.

barbara beeton

9:39 PM

@samcarter_preparing_for_xmas and @UlrikeFischer -- My husband has just come up with this thought: There should be a German word for "Something there should be a German word for." Any suggestions?

Phelype Oleinik

The new syntax highlighting is on! (and it's very blue :)

Ulrike Fischer

@PhelypeOleinik it is blue, but not very blue for me. But it has a sort of time lag, at first everything is black and then it colors, I never saw this before.

@PhelypeOleinik but you are right, looks like picasso blue period ;-)

Phelype Oleinik

@UlrikeFischer It takes a while for the parser to assign colour to everything (there's a comparison here), and since the parser is now much more complex than it was, it makes sense to take a little longer (though it shouldn't be more than a couple of seconds)

@UlrikeFischer :-)

Ulrike Fischer

10:10 PM

@barbarabeeton you mean Es sollte ein deutsches Wort dafür geben, dass es ein deutsches Wort für etwas geben sollte?

egreg

@dedded The maximum depth plus maximum height with SourceSerifPro (at 10pt) is 9.96997pt, against 8.88889pt with Computer Modern. This leaves about 2pt between lines with a descender and an ascender. Possibly something like \linespread{1.04} would be good; 1.1 seems too much.

dedded

"I've never even heard of the font"
It's relatively new, from Adobe. Google adopted it for the serif version of Noto.

I've asked my question on graphicdesign.se.

@egreg Yeah, I tried 5% first, but it still looked tight to me when I printed a full page.

Alan Munn

@dedded I think your question there would be aided a lot by a couple of sample images with different leading (as in @egreg's sample).

dedded

10:25 PM

@AlanMunn That's a good idea. I'll try to generate a couple.

barbara beeton

10:39 PM

@UlrikeFischer -- That's certainly a translation of what I asked, but Gordon was hoping for a single word for the concept. Even a multi-multi-syllable one.

Ulrike Fischer

10:56 PM

@barbarabeeton There is no single word für „Das Fehlen eines deutschen Begriffes für etwas“. One might invent „Begriffsmangel“. The wish/necessity to get rid of the problem that there is a „Begriffsmangel“ might be creatively named „Begriffsdesiderat“. 

barbara beeton

@UlrikeFischer -- Well, that's promising, and Gordon likes it. Danke!

Ulrike Fischer

@barbarabeeton Thank my husband ;-)

barbara beeton

@UlrikeFischer -- Vielen dank, Gerd!

Ulrike Fischer

11:15 PM

@barbarabeeton Gert <-- with t!

barbara beeton

11:26 PM

@UlrikeFischer -- Oops! Schade! I will do my best to remember. (I think I am confusing him with someone else; inexcusable.)

Ulrike Fischer

11:43 PM

@barbarabeeton the name with t is unusual and lots of people get it wrong, even after many years.

barbara beeton

@UlrikeFischer -- Then I shall have to remember that it's spelled the same as Gert Fröbe. Having see some movies with him as a younger man, and not a James Bond villain, I should be able to do that.

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