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3:06 AM
@PauloCereda Shouldn't arara be mentioned here:
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Q: Tools for automating document compilation

NovelocratA lot of people write makefiles that say something like paper.pdf: paper.tex pdflatex paper bibtex paper pdflatex paper pdflatex paper To handle re-running TeX to get new/changed references and so forth. Is there a better way to do this?

(I don't know arara, just judging from the discussion here in chat)
 
3:26 AM
@werner Argh, ninja'd :-) Well I'll let my answer stand since I cited the documentation ;-)
 
@StephanLehmke I'll remove mine - no problem.
 
@Werner Do you really think this is neccessary? There should really be some indication someone else is just writing an answer...
 
@StephanLehmke Only once an answer is posted do others know about it - and that's pretty instantaneously.
I've removed mine. I'm way ahead on the reputation and will be here for a while. No problem.
I'll add my picture to your answer.
 
@Werner In that case one should really post something like "working on it" first... In this case it's nothing, but sometimes it can take significant work.
 
I always find an image relates things much more effectively. It puts things in context, immediately.
 
3:33 AM
@Werner I was just making a screenshot ;-)
 
@StephanLehmke Sure.
@StephanLehmke Ooops, another ninja? :)
 
You're just typing faster or something ;-)
Now this is strange. I kept getting the output "0 page(s)" from emacs typesetting this example, though everything was working fine. It seems with etoolbox a line break is missing:
[1{/usr/local/texlive/2011/texmf-var/fonts/map/pdftex/updmap/pdftex.map}]
(./test.aux) )</usr/local/texlive/2011/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/public/amsfonts/cm/cmr10.pfb></usr/local/texlive/2011/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/public/amsfonts/cm/cmr6.pfb></usr/local/texlive/2011/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/public/amsfonts/cm/cmr7.pfb></usr/local/texlive/2011/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/public/amsfonts/cm/cmr8.pfb></usr/local/texlive/2011/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/public/amsfonts/cm/cmti10.pfb></usr/local/texlive/2011/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/public/amsfonts/cm/cmti8.pfb>Output written on test.pdf (1 page, 49169 bytes).
Without etoolbox the line break is where it's supposed to be:
[1{/usr/local/texlive/2011/texmf-var/fonts/map/pdftex/updmap/pdftex.map}]
(./test.aux) )</usr/local/texlive/2011/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/public/amsfonts/cm/cmr10.pfb></usr/local/texlive/2011/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/public/amsfonts/cm/cmr6.pfb></usr/local/texlive/2011/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/public/amsfonts/cm/cmr7.pfb></usr/local/texlive/2011/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/public/amsfonts/cm/cmti10
.pfb></usr/local/texlive/2011/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/public/amsfonts/cm/cmti8.pfb>
Output written on test.pdf (1 page, 40645 bytes).
Should I post a question about this?
 
3:57 AM
@StephanLehmke Both show "1 page" as output.
 
@Werner Right, but it seems emacs's AUCTeX mode is expecting the text "Output written on..." on a new line, and, not finding it, displays "0 page(s)". This normally means compilation failed, so it took me a while to look into the log to find out it was indeed working.
 
 
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7:09 AM
Off topic:
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Q: How to add a favicon to a TeX/PDF file

MaesumiMost web sites have a favicon, that gets displayed in the address bar of a browser. Is it possible to do the same with a PDF file?

 
 
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9:00 AM
@PatrickGundlach what's the best way to report a bug on luatex, as I think this looks more and like one?
 
or -- if you don't want to create an account -- mail Taco or me (I'd just function as a proxy)
 
@PatrickGundlach guess I could get myself an account
 
@FrankMittelbach sure, but not everybody like to create an account just for submitting a bug. And I think it is then better to mail me (or someone else) instead of dropping the report. If you create an account that is even much better.
 
@PatrickGundlach well the question in TEX.SE is pretty descriptive and I would be very much interested in getting feedback on it, because unless I'm doing something very wrong, it seems that this filter is just not working correctly.
so I guess I take whatever is necessary to get this resolved as it would be quite interesting for me to have this working
 
@FrankMittelbach I guess that the only person who has used the linebreak_filter yet is Hans Hagen (except maybe others for testing)
So I wouldn't be surprised if there are some bugs left
 
9:08 AM
@PatrickGundlach could you point me to the source of its implementation. I'm sure I can search for it, but if you know the point that would be great
 
You can also post it to the LuaTeX mailing list (there are two - one for general discussion and one for "development", but I don't think it will make a difference)
(I assume, just a quick search)
 
 
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11:00 AM
@StephanLehmke I could indeed add an answer. :)
 
11:59 AM
This one is lingering for a while but there is no way to answer without any details and the possible solution is linked in the question too. So I voted for TL
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Q: Creating a colored bar chart using MetaPost or pgfplots

polarRight now I have this: input graph input sarith beginfig(1) draw begingraph(3cm,2cm) gdata("data1.d", v, path p; augment p (v1,0); augment p (v1,v2); augment p (v1 Sadd "1",v2); augment p (v1 Sadd "1",0); gfill p--cycle withcolor .8white; gdraw p-...

This one is also got killed by the OP and no reply yet....
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Q: TikZ externalization fails - optimize process incorrect

Matej KohutI am trying to get the TikZ/pgfplots externalization working. My trouble is, I cannot decipher the error I am getting. Let me first show how I use externalization: \pgfrealjobname{thesis} \usetikzlibrary{external} \tikzexternalize[prefix = tikz/, mode=list and make] \tikzset{ % Defines a cu...

 
12:17 PM
Exact duplicate:
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Q: Table fixed width

markI have many tables that I create with longtable or ltablex. How can I make all tables the same width?

@MarcoDaniel I answered this one because other questions seem to be about sub*figures*, not sub*tables*.
@percusse I'd say "too localized".
 
12:33 PM
Now this is my level of non-LuaTeX answers I can give:
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A: itemize and \item option

Patrick GundlachUse a description environment instead of itemize: \documentclass{article} \begin{document} \begin{description} \item[foo] text \item[bar] text \end{description} \end{document}

 
12:45 PM
This is a long self answer!
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Q: Understanding titletoc example (and vertical alignment on line)

sdaauEDIT: TLDR summary (as I wrote in comments): What I want from this question (and couple of others referenced herein) is: -- section number (label) to be top-aligned with the title + AND I want the title bottom-aligned with the page number - on the same line -- when a TOC entry is typeset (I've us...

 
@PatrickGundlach I waited upvoting it till the OP provided an example.
 
@egreg I like the question »What's the difference between itemize and description?« :)
I wanted to reply that one is spelled d-e-s-c-r-i-p-t-i-o-n and the other one i-t-e-m-i-z-e.
 
@PatrickGundlach That's not the only difference, but probably the most relevant one. :)
 
1:16 PM
hi =)
scratches head to try to figure out how the scale the axis in a pgfplot
 
The answer to this one could be: "think intensely to the words you want to be indexed"
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Q: Auto generate an Index

Filip EkbergIs there any way to auto-gererate an index for the makeidx package? I've written ~270 pages and didn't think of adding \index{} everywhere. Do I really need to go over everything and add \index{}?

 
1:31 PM
@egreg My thoughts exactly. :) Another possible (crazy) idea is to submit the text to a text mining process, get the most relevant words against an ontology and then use a regex in the text to replace word by \index{...}. Then use TeX. :)
 
Hi, does anyone know how to draw something like this when writing an answer in Math.SE?
 
@PauloCereda Or using xesearch and XeLaTeX. :)
 
\fbox doesn't work apparently.
 
@egreg ooh that's new for me! :) Looks cool! :)
@Gigili I'm sorry, I really don't know. MathJaX is not my cup of tea. :(
 
@Gigili Probably boldfacing the relevant entries can be the easiest way.
 
1:41 PM
OK, thank you. I did something for now, I'll see if I can find a better way on the main site.
Thank you for your help @egreg and @PauloCereda.
 
A classic:
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Q: How do I create an indentation in the first line of every paragraph?

efpiesI'm using parameters as below. \usepackage{indentfirst} \setlength{\parindent}{1.5cm} I'm using \\, \\\\ and \linebreak to create new paragraphs but it not seems to work properly: only first paragraph in the section is indented.

 
@StephanLehmke :-)
 
I love the OP's paragraph method. :)
 
2:04 PM
@StephanLehmke I know it's wrong of me, but this is one of those questions where I say to myself 'You know, I just can't be bothered to answer this'.
 
@StephanLehmke Here's one of my jewels:
\def\ind{\hskip 0.125in\relax}
\parindent=0pt
 
@egreg Seriously, I always write the index first ;?)
 
@StephanLehmke Then each paragraph was ended with \par; no empty line; the following started with \ind.
 
@BrentLongborough Indeed, and the rep mechanism isn't even helping to create motivation, because you don't get rep for researching the duplicate, though that might take longer than writing a straight answer.
@egreg At least this method will work as well when paragraphs are ended with \\ ;-)
 
@StephanLehmke I sometimes wonder how it is that people get to the state where they believe that something like that is even close to being correct?
 
2:07 PM
@BrentLongborough A good index is compiled while writing. Reading one's own writing is difficult.
 
@egreg Oh, absolutely right. And I've just realised I'm in the middle of something that's going to need an index, and I haven't written any index entries. <:(
@StephanLehmke I don't know whether it's even a matter of rep; more like 'this guy is beyond my help'...
 
@BrentLongborough Hearsay. One effect of the web as it is today is that information about everything is readily available, so nobody has to look into serious sources.
 
@StephanLehmke Oh, yes, I'm sure these are memes, but how do the first instances arise? Are brainfarts for memes what mutations are for genes?
 
@BrentLongborough I'm not so sure about that. How can anybody who hasn't read a book about TeX know there's a difference between a paragraph and a line break. Given the linebreaking algorithms of other text processors, TeX is indeed the only system where the difference matters.
 
@StephanLehmke Not sure I entirely agree: even Word has [Enter] and [Shift-Enter].
 
2:13 PM
@BrentLongborough Do you know any other application apart from TeX where the difference between <p> and <br/> matters?
 
@BrentLongborough Yup, and they are different
 
@StephanLehmke Word (op cit)
(With apologies for using the W-syllable)
 
@BrentLongborough Yes it does. And not being a word user at all, I'm always suprised what low percentage of regular users know this.
 
@StephanLehmke It's a weird world. Everyone's mad, except for you and I, and even you are a little mad.
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In addition, using it regularly, you've already made the first step towards irrevocably breaking your document.
 
2:17 PM
@StephanLehmke I once, while working at a multinational, received a Letter-paper word document. I changed the page size to A4, and all the page numbers moved progressively up the page. The author had paginated with newlines and inserted page numbers in the body of the text. In a 40-odd page document.
 
@BrentLongborough :-)
 
Every time I try to compose something with word, the document is broken beyond resurrection after the fifth save or so. Even our word experts give up on it. Which is why I'm allowed to submit PDF which is then retyped...
 
@JosephWright I mean, the mind boggles, really. A bit like the Irish lumberjack joke.
 
@MarcoDaniel: working on arara 2.0. :)
 
@PauloCereda Pretty Polly!
 
2:20 PM
@BrentLongborough "Louro quer bolacha!" :P
@Brent: for the next video showcase, I'll use the parrot sketch. :P
 
@PauloCereda When do we get CloudArara and Arara for Android?
@PauloCereda :)
 
Did anyone notice how many people are using parskip? :(
 
@BrentLongborough I have a plan: CloudArara, Arara for Android, Arara.Net, Microsoft Arara, Arara plugin for DocScape, AraraEditor, Arara underwear. The marketing team is working pretty hard. :)
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@egreg I know a very popular german book which advocates this (or used to?).
 
@StephanLehmke Perhaps my worst desktop experience ever, with catastrophic waste of time, was trying to use W*rd's 'master document', the equivalent of \input, but with suicidal bells and whistles.
@PauloCereda Wow. Just thinking of the Arara tanga, I feel faint.
 
2:26 PM
@StephanLehmke When a young man Tschichold himself was a promoter of "modern typography" with paragraph spacing, then he changed his mind and wrote "Why paragraphs should be indented". :)
 
@BrentLongborough PETA will probably sue me. :P
 
Can one send messages to other users? I'd like to draw @martinscharrer's attention to this:
 
@egreg Have you got a \cite{} for that?
 
2
Q: Making a stand-alone image with gastex

GuyI want to do the following: Make an image using gastex. Compile the image to a stand-alone pdf image. I.e., at the end of this stage I'll have a myImage.pdf file. Include my image in a large latex file. The idea is that I like working with gastex but I want to compile my latex file with pdfla...

 
@StephanLehmke I think if you just pur (at)MartinScharrer at the start of a chat message, he'll get notified of it eventually
 
@egreg Thanks! Would you believe, I haven't read it yet :(
 
@BrentLongborough I've an Italian translation. I don't agree with everything, of course. But I do with most of it.
 
@MartinScharrer could you comment on (tex.stackexchange.com/q/59298/12850)? There seems to be an incompatibility with standalone in a strange setup, but maybe it's also just out-of-date components?
 
@egreg Just went back to Amazon UK to look, now I remember why I haven't read it yet.
@egreg And of course, it's not about agreeing, it's more a question of feeling new ideas...
 
@StephanLehmke The problem is the bounding box of the picture environment which is wrong.
@BrentLongborough Of course! One must read the masters to be able to "break the rules".
 
2:37 PM
@egreg What was the original (German, I imagine) title?
 
@egreg In what way is it wrong that dvipdf would crash on it?
 
@StephanLehmke I think Guy is doing strange things. I have no problems with both methods (but dvipdf makes a wrong arrow tip).
 
@egreg Still, if it works for article and crashes for standalone maybe Martin can help to sort things out.
 
@StephanLehmke I probably found the problem: the version of standalone in TL 2010 uses preview and dvi2pdf fails
 
2:53 PM
Hi =)
:$ is there any easy way to fade a tikzpicture from the center? If not I will pop a question on the site.
Hah! I did it! I just had to split the image into two parts and then combine left fading with rightfading.
 
Great news! My arara tests are going very well! :)
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3:24 PM
Does anyone know if a document that is released under the terms of the Gnu free documentation license (1.2) needs the full text of the license attached to each document?
 
3:36 PM
@PatrickGundlach Hm good question. I think if it's an online documentation, only a link should suffice. In case of a printed book, perhaps it's better to play safe and include it. :)
 
@PauloCereda I am trying to get the german lshort document to a current state. The document is released under the terms of the gfdl and 10% of the document is just the license :-(
While I really appreciate OpenSource software and documentation (that's how my software is published) - I don't like overly complex licenses
 
I can relate to that. :) I'm quite satisfied with the new BSD, it's shorter. :)
 
hi guys
i have a small question
 
Hello!
 
how can i offer a bounty to my question?
where is the link?#
 
3:41 PM
@AbhimanyuArora You need to wait a couple of days and have enough rep
@AbhimanyuArora Which question?
 
@AbhimanyuArora How old is your question? I think you need to wait at least 48 hours. :)
 
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Q: Referencing "coupled" tables

Abhimanyu AroraHow can I refer to 'coupled' tables (say different tables but referenced as table 5a and table 5b). If I \label them and use \ref, they would be referenced in the document as table 5 and table 6.

 
@PatrickGundlach I'm fairly sure that there is no need to publish the license with the document. A link to a standard place for it should suffice
 
i see
i have to wait a day then
thanks @paolo & @joseph
and @PatrickGundlach
 
4:37 PM
@PauloCereda Do you have a first release?
 
@MarcoDaniel I'm very excited with the code progress. :) I'll just try to add a new feature, then the heavy tests will begin. Would you like to help me test it? :)
 
@PauloCereda Did you buy your Pringles?
 
@egreg I have two tubes here (one is for emergency occasions). :)
 
@PauloCereda The first half was not so bad.
 
4:54 PM
@egreg Indeed. IMHO Italy played better than Spain. The problem with the Azzurra is maybe the same that happened with Brazil against Argentina: Spain is very fast with the counterattacks, so the defense must be paying a lot of attention. Chiellini is a great defender, it's the Italian version of Thiago Silva. :)
@egreg: I think I should open my Pringles, just to play safe. :)
 
5:19 PM
I have an italian sports bar in front of my balcony - you can imagine the noise there right now :)
 
5:50 PM
@PatrickGundlach Final 1:1.
 
@PauloCereda What a question? Of course!
 
@PauloCereda Now everybody knows why Thiago Motta plays for Italy and not for Brazil. :) The slowest player in the world. :)
 
@egreg Great Game
 
@egreg Oops. :D
@egreg He is/was a Barcelona player, I guess. :)
@MarcoDaniel Thanks! I have exciting new features. :)
Arara now checks if user has Windows, then secretly downloads Ubuntu and burn it into a CD. :P
 
@PauloCereda I love this feature ;-)
 
5:59 PM
@MarcoDaniel I could make a big window appear with the button "I'll never use Windows again". The window cannot be closed neither "killed" unless the user clicks the button 100 times. :)
 
@PauloCereda ;-)
 
@MarcoDaniel I'll give you a taste of things to come with arara 2.0: there's no need of nonstopmode anymore. :)
 
Too localized (see Caramdir's comment):
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Q: Colored Headings in LaTeX / How to apply to TOC-Headings

dubbalugaI'm currently improving my LaTeX-Template for theses. Coloring "ordinary" headings is working already, but how can I apply this style to the headings of "List of Contents", "List of Figures" and "List of Tables" as well? Here is some code-snippet I'm using for my headings: \usepackage{titlesec}...

 
@PauloCereda Great. This was the biggest drawback.
 
@MarcoDaniel There's something even cool waiting. :)
 
6:09 PM
@PauloCereda But there is no upload at github. I can't find xindy.yaml nor the new version
 
@MarcoDaniel Hold on, I'm documenting the code. :)
Give some minutes, man! :P
 
@PauloCereda lol
 
6:21 PM
@MarcoDaniel: Almost ready. :)
 
Is there any advantage of writing `\( instead of $ for text math?
(except for the ` of course)
 
@PatrickGundlach `( isn't robust
 
@MarcoDaniel fixltx2e
 
@JosephWright Of course but by default ;-)
 
@MarcoDaniel So it's not better, even worse (unless using fixltx2e), right?
 
6:33 PM
@PatrickGundlach yes -- I think there is a similar question
 
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Q: Are \( and \) preferable to $?

Mark MeckesAlong the lines of this question, what reasons are there (if any) to favor \( ... \) over $ ... $?

 
Uh-oh. I have to reinstall my IDE on Linux. Hold on, Arara 2.0 is coming in 15 minutes (I hope). :)
 
@JosephWright Yes this one ;-)
 
@JosephWright Great, thanks!
 
@PauloCereda Great. Nice distraction. The whole day I am learning something about a special law book.
 
6:38 PM
@MarcoDaniel :)
 
@PauloCereda Inter.
 
@egreg Ah true. :)
Feature #1: There's no need of nonstopmode. Arara now can handle any command.
 
@PatrickGundlach so far I only send an email to the dev list. Do you think I should open a bug as well, or could you do that for me?
 
@PauloCereda Why no git commit
 
Feature #2: If the command is interactive (that is, needs an input from the user), Arara halts the execution, unless you use --verbose. :)
Feature #3: with --verbose, you can now interact with the command. The output is now realtime!
Feature #4: There's a new command line switch called --timeout N, where you can ask Arara to stop the execution if the command takes more than N milliseconds to execute. :)
 
6:52 PM
@FrankMittelbach I can do that for you. I'd wait one day for Taco and others to read it and perhaps comment on it. I will do that in 24 hours if it's okay.
 
@MarcoDaniel Soon. :) I need to test first. :)
 
@PatrickGundlach sure
 
Feature #5: I increased cross-platform compatibility. :)
 
@PauloCereda That means?
 
xindy now runs on Windows through arara. :P
@MarcoDaniel Scripts now are better supported on Windows, like xindy. :)
 
6:54 PM
@PauloCereda This feature should be mentioned as "dangerous". I think a beginner has no feeling about compilation time. For example I have books compiling 3-4 minutes ;-)
 
@MarcoDaniel Indeed. :) I wouldn't recommend that switch to anyone. Why did I include it? It was fun to do it. :P
 
@PauloCereda LOL
 
@FrankMittelbach you've got the wrong mailing list ;-) There is "luatex-users", "dev-luatex" and "lualatex-devel". The first two are OK, the last one is probably not read by Taco. I'll forward the mails to "dev-luatex"
 
@MarcoDaniel: Try this:
\documentclass{article}
\begin{document}
Hello
\blablabla
\end{document}
with arara mydoc and with arara mydoc --verbose. :)
Oh remove the nonstopmode part from the rule. :)
 
@PatrickGundlach looks like it ... didn't do this intentionally
 
7:00 PM
@PauloCereda Works nicely
 
@JosephWright Awesome! :)
 
@PatrickGundlach will join the dev list
 
@FrankMittelbach So some evil pdftex admin has changed your e-mail software that you cannot post to a LuaTeX mailing list ;-)??
 
@PauloCereda Now I must change all rules ;-) to make interaction as an option
 
@FrankMittelbach Another one to add to my set too, I guess :-)
 
7:01 PM
Thanks
 
@MarcoDaniel Oops. :)
 
@PauloCereda LOL
 
@PatrickGundlach ???
 
@MarcoDaniel Let's rollback to 1.0 and let things as they are. :P
 
@FrankMittelbach you wrote that you didn't do that intentionally, so I've thought some virus or evil-admin has changed the subscription address...
 
7:02 PM
@PauloCereda Is there a way to set arara options in the tex file. for example !arara use --log or --verbose. At the moment we must specify this in the script
I know my requests are raising
 
@MarcoDaniel Hm good idea! I'll see how can I deal with it. :)
 
@PatrickGundlach no i did search for luatex mailing list ... and just picked the wrong link noticing "dev" but didn'T realize it was lualatex instead of luatex
 
@MarcoDaniel I need to take good care of you. <3 What if you give up on arara and leave me for rubber or latexmk? I'm broke! :P
 
If any German speaking TeX user is interested in bringing the l2short (l2kurz) in an up to date version:
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please join and edit the files
The last version is from 2003.....
 
@PauloCereda No panic
 
7:06 PM
@MarcoDaniel So far arara has the impressive number of 4 users: Joseph, Andrew, you and me. :P
 
@PatrickGundlach why would that be an issue?
 
@PauloCereda That isn't true. As I wrote the German article I had some testers and the tool is great. I am sure after publishing the article (I believe in July) the number will increase. However the final version must be published at c.t.t. too.
 
@FrankMittelbach for example the introduction does not know anything about utf-8. The examples are still with Gr"o"ser and alike. While this is not an error, it scares a lot of people away. There are obsolete packages and other things that should be changed.
 
@MarcoDaniel Awww <3
 
@PauloCereda Normally all German articles of the "TeXnische Komödie" will be published in the TUG Journal too ;-) (I think)@PatrickGundlach: Is this true?
 
7:10 PM
@PatrickGundlach ok good points ... didn't have any occasion to read it for a while :-)
 
@MarcoDaniel Only if you get a mail by Karl Berry to provide an english translation. IIRC the TUGboat also desperately needs articles
 
@PatrickGundlach @PauloCereda: I think arara is a good choice ;-)
 
@FrankMittelbach also small things like \includegraphics{a.ps} might confuse new users.
 
@PatrickGundlach Certainly true, and the reason that we're not likely to see any more issues of Baskerville (the UK-TUG publication)
 
@PauloCereda If you would write a short (or long ;-) article about arara I would publish it on latex-community.org
 
7:12 PM
@PatrickGundlach ok ok :-) I guess that document grew far too much to be "short"
 
@FrankMittelbach it is less than 50 pages
 
@FrankMittelbach Indeed.
@PatrickGundlach That isn't short. I think you can rename it to l2Einführung
 
I think that size is good for a more or less complete introduction.
 
@MarcoDaniel I was worried to make arara more user-friendly. With this new version, I think we've reached a stable state (now that we can interact with commands). My next step is, as @JosephWright suggested, to review all the rules and create a cross-platform installer which will setup almost everything for the user. :)
 
@MarcoDaniel good suggestion!
 
7:14 PM
@PauloCereda Then some publicity
 
@StefanKottwitz aww thanks. I'll see what I can come up. :)
 
@PatrickGundlach did you already do that? I think i joined the right list now but haven't seen any welcome mail or traffic so far
 
@PatrickGundlach I cloned the current version and will read a little bit
 
@JosephWright Indeed. I promise some arara t-shirts. :P
 
@FrankMittelbach From memory, it has to be OK'd by a person
 
7:15 PM
@FrankMittelbach yes, I did
@MarcoDaniel I can give you r/w access
 
@PauloCereda I think that isn't a good idea. The rules are the best of arara. The user can specify what he wants.
 
@JosephWright oh well ... you notice I'm a bit impatient as these hooks are something I wanted to get into TeX 20 years ago ... now they are there but do not work ...
 
@PauloCereda Great :-) I would support this way of publicity with an accompanying blog post, also going to some feed aggregators, let's get some users ;-)
 
@MarcoDaniel Ah yes. :) But I was thinking of some start-up rules. :)
 
@PatrickGundlach No problem. I will do my best
 
@StefanKottwitz <3
 
@PauloCereda The start-up rules are written -- of course I will modify them -- but I don't think that these rules should be integrated in the setup. A small binary like biber is advocated.
 
@MarcoDaniel I can work on that. :) Another idea is an option to give the possibility for the user to download rules from our repository during install. I also thought of a GUI tool to help users write rules. :)
 
@PauloCereda a gui? The installation process to download the rules is very simple if you use Linux.
 
@MarcoDaniel I meant for users to write their own rules. :)
 
7:21 PM
@PauloCereda AH ;-)
@PauloCereda Sorry
 
@MarcoDaniel :)
Like a wizard. :)
 
@PauloCereda Do you really think that this is useful? It has a touch of Lyx :-(
 
@MarcoDaniel Actually, I don't. :P But you know users. :P
 
@MarcoDaniel Here's one for you
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Q: How to highlight an entire paragraph?

ceiling catI'd like to highlight paragraphs such that the highlight color appears as one whole rectangle underlying the entire paragraph. I have looked around but nothing gives me the desired effect so far. For example \fcolorbox{} from xcolor cannot highlight an entire paragraph; \hl{} from soul leaves ou...

 
@PauloCereda I think a great manual with this great Q&A site is enough ;-) The predefined rules are also a big help. The user must read the manuals of every compilation method too.
 
7:25 PM
@MarcoDaniel Indeed. :)
 
@egreg The updated version of framed can to this ;-)
@PauloCereda To setup the next arara steps I suggest the following: I will test the new version and you try the implementation of arara options from the main tex-file ;-)
@egreg Herbert was faster.
 
@StefanKottwitz So what's the story with the win a book competition? Their idea or yours?
 
7:41 PM
@PatrickGundlach: I saw the code of l2kurz and I think combinations like \exa and \exb are not welcome. The user should use \begin{} and \end{} and so the introduction should work with the same method.
 
@PauloCereda Do your cats grin from the ceiling?
 
@JosephWright The publisher contacted me and asked if I would support their new gnuplot book on my blog, specifically if I could point users to the publisher's web site where they could win a book. I made a different suggestion -
@JosephWright I suggested to make a contest on the LaTeX site, with and for LaTeX users, encouraging creativity, so I developed the article contest and the publisher agreed.
 
@StephanLehmke Thanks, it looks to me that preview isn't compatible with the drawing package. The older standalone versions used it by default. I posted a comment for the OP.
 
@StefanKottwitz Ah right, I see
 
@JosephWright So far no article has shown up yet, even if small blog like articles would be perfectly ok. Perhaps people don't like to write, today.
 
7:46 PM
@egreg I don't think so. :P
 
@StefanKottwitz So we all have 10 days to write something about graphics :-)
@StefanKottwitz I'm sure one of the TikZ experts will come up with something
 
@JosephWright Would be great, otherwise the publisher would get the publicity for free
 
All: write something for @StefanKottwitz's competition :-) latex-community.org/component/content/article/92-contests/…
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@JosephWright I chose the topic "LaTeX and graphics", firstly because it's a nice one ;-) but also to have the opportunity to start further contests, with different topics.
@JosephWright If TeX.SX users show up there, it's also a promotion for TeX.SX
 
@StefanKottwitz Of course
 
7:51 PM
@PauloCereda Not Cheshire cats, then. :)
 
@StefanKottwitz All sounds great - just need to think of something to write
 
@egreg Thankfully no. :) That cat is scary. :)
 
@StefanKottwitz Do you have some suggestions about the topic of such an article? I think it will be something about TikZ/PGF or PSTricks (maybe METAPOST or Asymptote)
 
@MarcoDaniel I think an article about new stuff like TikZ would work great, also about the capabilities of PSTricks - not so many people know those
@MarcoDaniel Metapost or Asymptote would be a bit niche topic, but fine of course
nice pictures make an article fun reading and promote LaTeX in the meaning that it has grapical powers too
the more modern, the better. There are also nice new TikZ / tkz packages which could be brought to the public
it's for winning new and convinced LaTeX friends, more than for thesis writing
 
I might put something together about pgfplots. Some of my colleagues like my plots, but I can't convince them to become 'proper' LaTeX users, so I've been working on some 'templates' that can be used to plot instrument data pretty easily with minimal LaTeX skills
Something like 'pgfplots: LaTeX for non-LaTeX users!'
 
7:59 PM
@JosephWright Oh yes, this would be a great start for new users!
 
We might ask David to write something about his TikZ skills.
 
Or @PatrickGundlach to write about fractals with LuaTeX (I like fractals, for now just know how to use postscript and TikZ for this - the latter is a bit slow)
And if such an article could even go to the TUGboat later - great!
 
One more vote needed to close:
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Q: TikZ externalization fails - optimize process incorrect

Matej KohutI am trying to get the TikZ/pgfplots externalization working. My trouble is, I cannot decipher the error I am getting. Let me first show how I use externalization: \pgfrealjobname{thesis} \usetikzlibrary{external} \tikzexternalize[prefix = tikz/, mode=list and make] \tikzset{ % Defines a cu...

 
@lockstep Ok, closed with 5 votes!
 
8:29 PM
@MarcoDaniel Agree. The source code should serve as an example how to use LaTeX
 
@MarcoDaniel No need to tinker with bibliography strings in the latest biblatex question:
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Q: unknown cbyeditor in biblatex-chicago

plutonThe biblatex-chicago extension yields unknown cbyeditor and cbytranslator terms when footcite is used and probably the french option in babel. The main file is: \documentclass[12pt]{article} \usepackage[utf8]{inputenc} \usepackage{kpfonts} \usepackage[frenchb]{babel} \usepackage{csquotes} \usepa...

 
9:12 PM
@StefanKottwitz This might be worth a Meta "question" or a blog post announcing the competition?
I'm sure plenty of users here have something to write about, there are quite a few really skilled graphics people.
 
@PatrickGundlach: How deep do you want to change l2kurz?
 
@MarcoDaniel It's not really a good idea to use a guide to LaTeX as an example of "good code", particularly in the case there are many examples: some nasty tricks are often necessary.
 
@egreg You mentioned one should not alter the size of nested parenthesis. Could you elaborate a tad more on why ? =) I do of course agree that everything has its place and content. Like inline expressions, and never more nesting than 3 etc but still.
 
9:20 PM
Epic bananas are epic. :)
 
@Patrick I have written an update/answer to tex.stackexchange.com/questions/59176/… perhaps you can post that to the dev list as I don't think I can yet post there
 
@Jake Yes, I guess a blog post would be good
 
@PatrickGundlach: I see you mentioned @Taco in Frank's thread. I'm not sure it will work, though. IIRC only people that already posted something in the thread will get the notification.
I can write an article about how you can create a gnuplot rule in arara and put it into your TeX workflow. :P
 
@StefanKottwitz What is the best format for you for these competition entries? TeX, HTML, Markdown, ...?
 
@AndrewStacey: I have great bird-related news! The 2.0 RC1 version of arara now has support for realtime output and user input. :) arara mydoc --verbose We just need to remove the nonstopmode part from the pdflatex/others rules. :)
 
9:31 PM
The expression $(a+(b+c))$ is as easily parseable as $\bigl(a+(b+c)\bigr)$; perhaps more. There are cases where slightly larger parentheses can be useful to avoid potential ambiguities, but I haven't found many in my experience. What's really important is to try hard not writing overly complicated expressions. When one pops up, the first thought should be: "How can I simplify this?"
@PauloCereda I don't think that @name works in the body of answers. But it seems that a comment is notified (I did it twice this week and it worked).
I had spared my Frank's vote. :)
 
@egreg Oh I thought there wouldn't be any notifications for @name if Name hadn't joined the thread conversation. :)
 
@egreg Of course. But l2short defines the margins with setlength... Maybe a switch to geometry is recommended.
 
@PauloCereda I sent comments to Lars Madsen and Vafa Khalighi, they both were notified, I believe: they wrote a comment or an answer.
 
@egreg Oops. :) I stand corrected. :)
 
So who is writing a draft for @StefanKottwitz?
 
9:38 PM
@MarcoDaniel Definitely. The \setlength or \oddsidemargin=... methods are not to be shown in public. :)
 
@MarcoDaniel I am not sure. I think first step would be to remove obvious stuff (german.sty -> babel, \"o -> utf8 encoding). Next step might be cleanup (The letter example can be removed IMO)
@PauloCereda OK, good to know. thanks
 
@PatrickGundlach I was thinking exactly the same: UTF-8 is the way to go. Of course some babel-german shortcuts are unavoidable.
In my last LaTeX course I said that there are many input encodings available: UTF-8. :)
 
@FrankMittelbach done
@egreg I don't even mention input encodings, I just tell the students that they have to insert the following line .... and never mention it again.
Is there a difference between "backslash space" and a single "space"?
 
@PatrickGundlach Yes: the former doesn't honor the \spacefactor: it uses 1000.
 
The German l2short says that "backslash space" is a fixed width space which I doubt it is.
 
9:49 PM
@PatrickGundlach This is wrong.
A "fixed space" is obtained with \hspace{\fontdimen2\font}
 
@JosephWright The best article format is HTML for online publishing.
 
@PatrickGundlach While \ is equivalent to \spacefactor1000 \space (notice the space after 1000)
 
@PatrickGundlach Now that @egreg mentioned that he used this syntax and it actually worked, I'm pretty sure I'm wrong about it. :P
@MarcoDaniel: want some news? :P
 
And german.sty says \frenchspacing, so really \ is equivalent to a space. But of course it doesn't get ignored after a control sequence.
 
Sadly, that's technically a parrot, not an arara.
 
9:56 PM
Thanks @egreg
 
@PauloCereda Windoze users won't realize it. :)
 
@egreg :P
 
@egreg What's that twitter icon on the desktop?
 
@PauloCereda Of course the called user should connect to the site to be notified. ;-)
 
@StefanKottwitz OK
 
9:57 PM
@percusse Exactly what I said. :P
 
I'm pretty sure you can drag stuff to that .exe wrapper. So I could tell the users to drag the .tex file over the parrot icon and advertise, "Feed the arara!" :)
 
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