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8:20 AM
Happy mole day!
Mole Day is an unofficial holiday celebrated among chemists, chemistry students and chemistry enthusiasts on October 23, between 6:02 a.m. and 6:02 p.m., making the date 6:02 10/23 in the American style of writing dates. The time and date are derived from Avogadro's number, which is approximately 6.02 × 1023, defining the number of particles (atoms or molecules) in one mole (mol) of substance, one of the seven base SI units. == Overview == Mole Day originated in an article in The Science Teacher in the early 1980s. Inspired by this article, Maurice Oehler, now a retired high school chemi...
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@samcarter are you sure that's not just a @marmot in disguise?
@samcarter clearly for chemists and SI units, it should be @JosephWright's new avatar.
 
8:44 AM
@DavidCarlisle Pretty sure, a genetic analysis also discovered features from the sloth.
 
@samcarter that doesn't sound like Joseph ;-)
 
ooh
@DavidCarlisle Joseph is a real duck
I met him in Rio. :)
 
@UlrikeFischer is also not tall enough :)
@PauloCereda What is the ohh-counter doing?
 
9:00 AM
@samcarter resting. :)
 
@PauloCereda ooh :(
 
@samcarter oh no
 
 
5 hours later…
2:31 PM
To moderators: whenever you find time, feel free to take a look at tex.stackexchange.com/questions/237285/… and tex.stackexchange.com/questions/286485/… and merge them.
 
2:42 PM
@user49915 did you flag them? (you can't expect the mods to read every message here, although they might:)
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes, I've flagged them both.
 
3:34 PM
@DavidPurton Now that your fantastic package is included in most tex installations, maybe it would be good to update your answer tex.stackexchange.com/a/454195/36296 so that people can learn about the package?
 
Is is good practice to mark my own question as a duplicate, if after digging into the code of the involved packages it turns out that the offending function is mentioned in another question and a solution is porovided there?
 
3:54 PM
@Christian I think it is a good idea. It will help users with the same problem to find your question and follow the link to the answer from there.
 
cis
4:10 PM
/cat
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@PauloCereda Has songidx.yaml something to do with MusiXTeX?
 
 
2 hours later…
5:54 PM
@cis No, it's from a package named songs.
 
cis
@PauloCereda Ah, I understand.
 
@cis :)
 
cfr
6:44 PM
@PauloCereda Cwac!
 
@cfr Cwac! <3
@cfr miss you!
 
cfr
@DavidCarlisle I have a weird issue with project somewhat similar to the one you diagnosed a while ago as needing morewrites. I was wondering if you had any advice for troubleshooting it. I'm externalising TikZ pictures and externalisation fails if I include too many refsections (Biblatex). If I tell pdfTeX to carry on, the picture is typeset without problem. If I remove a refsection, externalisation succeeds. But it seems also to depend on not having too many refsections in a group ...
 
@cfr I know nothing:-) but needing lots of writes means you are writing lots of files concurrently rather than having lots of files written in sequence (which only requires one write stream) I would have thought that any writes by tikz externalize would be in sequence?
 
cfr
... so it doesn't seem to be just the number of refsections, but something more complicated. It doesn't matter which refsection I remove within the group, provided I remove one. I'm already loading morewrites, though I'm not sure if I'm loading it at the right time. This only happens when I get to hundreds of pages and many refsections. Some packets of course materials compile fine, so the number of sections has to be quite high.
@DavidCarlisle Yes, I think so. It is the externalisation compilation which fails, when it should be throwing more stuff away. It fails even if I put the refsection in an externalisation conditional, so it shouldn't even read it on the externalisation run.
 
@cfr what's the error?
@cfr I am of course the natural person to ask about this as I've never used tikz externalize or biblatex:-)
 
cfr
6:55 PM
@DavidCarlisle Externalisation failed. See such-and-such log for details. Such-and-such log says: externalisation failed. See such-and-such log for details.
 
@cfr oh so not a low level \write allocation error
 
cfr
@DavidCarlisle Yes, but you know everything.
@DavidCarlisle Nothing that informative.
 
@cfr Wrth gwrs
 
cfr
@DavidCarlisle I didn't know you'd never used Biblatex. I thought you might know what difference the refsection made.
 
@cfr well it's possible I'd know that without having used it. Of course like tikz Ive used it in examples that people post to the site but not in my own documents (which mostly were written before biblatex existed)
 
cfr
6:58 PM
@DavidCarlisle Is there someone better to ask? An MWE isn't really an option.
 
@cfr you could send me a non-minimal zip if you want. No promises but if I have a minute or two i could look what it's doing...
 
cfr
@DavidCarlisle Thanks, I think I might have to do that.
@DavidCarlisle Before I do that, when should morewrites be loaded? Should it be very early?
I wonder if I'm just loading it too late ....
 
@cfr before whatever is opening write streams allocates them with \newwrite as the package needs to subvert this calls
 
@cfr I will show you Psmith. :)
 
'ello, Psmith is now fully operational.
 
7:11 PM
This is our bot. ^^ :)
/cat
 
ooh a cat band
/duck
 
/pancake
 
7:15 PM
oh no
@DavidCarlisle you are mean
 
Jun 29 '17 at 16:15, by Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle you are not mean :)
 
/tikzling
 
/blame
 
7:23 PM
@marmot Let us blame David Carlisle
 
@Psmith Oh, you're smarter than I thought. ;-)
 
@marmot 'ello, I bid you good day! Type /help to see all my commands.
 
/pizza
 
/help
 
'ello, I am Psmith, the TeX bot!

List of commands:
/8ball     Simulates a magic 8-ball.
/about     Displays information about this bot.
/battle    Displays the battle of titans!
/blame     Makes the bot blame someone.
/cat       Displays a random cat picture. :3
/cricket   Fetches cricket news from ESPN.
/duck      Displays a random duck picture.
/football  Fetches football news from ESPN.
/help      Displays this help message.
/latexdef  Runs latexdef on the provided parameters
/learn     Teaches the bot a new command.
 
7:31 PM
/learn predict weather
 
@marmot Saved.
 
/predict weather
 
weather
 
/unlearn predict
 
@marmot Hurrah, command forgotten.
 
7:33 PM
/learn predict-weather the-weather-in-Southern-California-will-be-sunny-and-warm
 
@marmot Tricksy hobbitses. Command names can only contain letters (a-z) and numbers.
 
Wave
 
@Psmith I guess I will stick to Phil's weather forecast...
 
@marmot 'ello, I bid you good day! Type /help to see all my commands.
 
/learn pizza nopineapple
 
7:35 PM
@CarLaTeX Saved.
 
/pizza
 
nopineapple
 
/pizza
/unlearn pizza
 
@CarLaTeX Hurrah, command forgotten.
 
/learn Paulo ooh
 
7:36 PM
@marmot Saved.
 
/Paulo
 
ooh
 
@DavidCarlisle Saved.
 
/pizza
 
7:36 PM
/learn pizza no pineapple
 
@CarLaTeX Deeply sorry, old chap, but a command with that name already exists.
 
@CarLaTeX :-)
 
/unlearn pizza
 
@CarLaTeX Hurrah, command forgotten.
@DavidCarlisle Saved.
 
/pizza no pineapple
 
7:37 PM
 
/learn pizza donttrustDavid
 
@marmot Deeply sorry, old chap, but a command with that name already exists.
 
@DavidCarlisle :P
 
/unlearn pizza
/learn pizza donttrustDavid
 
@marmot Deeply sorry, old chap, but that command does not exist.
 
7:39 PM
@PauloCereda Your robot has a severe malfunction. It puts pineapple on a pizza.
 
/unlearn pizza
 
@DavidCarlisle Hurrah, command forgotten.
 
@DavidCarlisle Saved.
 
/pizza
 
7:40 PM
 
@marmot @PauloCereda fixed!
 
@DavidCarlisle Hmmmhh, the malfunction seems to be contageous
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh
 
@marmot Saved.
 
7:46 PM
/wiki marmot
 
Marmots are large squirrels in the genus Marmota, with 15 species. == Biology == Some species live in mountainous areas, such as the Alps, northern Apennines, Carpathians, Tatras, and Pyrenees in Europe; northwestern Asia; the Rocky Mountains, Black Hills, the Cascade and Pacific Ranges, and the Sierra Nevada in North America; and the Deosai Plateau in Pakistan and Ladakh in India. Other species prefer rough grassland and can be found widely across North America and the Eurasian Steppe. The similarly sized but more social prairie dog is not classified in the genus Marmota, but in the related genus...
 
/marmot
 
/unlearn marmot
 
@marmot Hurrah, command forgotten.
 
7:48 PM
/shutdown
 
Initiating shutdown sequence. Cheerio!
 
8:06 PM
@DavidCarlisle We should release l3benchmark: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/456316/…
 
@marmot -- lucky you. my office just had a power outage (probably the guys repairing the roof); it's back on now. and while the power was out, we got a tornado warning, good until 16:00 (it's now 16:07. so i guess we're in the clear). and earlier today we had a fire drill; at least it wasn't raining. today has been much too exciting.
 
@barbarabeeton Here the weather is also very shaky. Some days it is sunny and warm, on others it is warm and sunny. ;-) (Poor you!)
 
8:47 PM
@JosephWright yes saw your email, seems harmless enough
 
@DavidCarlisle Exactly: just need some interface discussions
 
@JosephWright perhaps the package should have some options:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Keyval ones? ;)
@DavidCarlisle Needs a small amount of cleanup as it predates me sorting out the timer stuff in the sys module
@DavidCarlisle Probably the 'core' function should be \benchmark_auto:n or similar: it does things more than once ...
 

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