@JosephWright can you see the most recent comments on github.com/latex3/latex2e/issues/85 ? I see mail but the "view on github" link just shows my initial two comments?

@DavidCarlisle Yes, I can see them there if I force a refresh, but otherwise they don't show up (took a few reloads, etc. for me to work that out)

@DavidCarlisle Ctrl-R time

@JosephWright odd, I thought I'd done a refresh, let me try again...

@DavidCarlisle For some reason, I'm having to force a reload each time I reopen that page (just tried your link, only see the two comments until I forced it)

@DavidCarlisle Took me three goes to get all of the comments!

@DavidCarlisle I have problems too. Sometimes they are there and then they disappear again.

@DavidCarlisle Working now?

@KhaledHosny (Couple of days late, but...) This is great to see! I look forward to this becoming more broadly available/usable. Right now, among Indic scripts, LuaTeX only supports Devanagari and Malayalam (I think), and that too in its own ad-hoc way (hasn't been tested to the extent Harfbuzz has), so it would be great to see examples with other scripts as well (eventually). Thank you!

@JosephWright no and if I try to log in it gives a "unexpected error" but github status says: twitter.com/githubstatus/status/1054224055673462786

@DavidCarlisle Ah, that would probably be it

@ShreevatsaR I'm quite interested to get examples of problems for tests. So if you have something add it here tex.stackexchange.com/questions/454031/… or as github issue. Take in mind that I do know nothing about the scripts. I can only compare visually and perhaps with \showoutput. So keep examples simple ...

@JosephWright @UlrikeFischer blog.github.com/2018-10-21-october21-incident-report

@DavidCarlisle Yeah, I'd seen

@DavidCarlisle Ooops

@JosephWright I guess they had a busy night restoring stuff:-)

@DavidCarlisle Reminds me of the time Robin managed to delete all of CTAN ...

@JosephWright and he didn't even get a few billion dollars for his trouble

@DavidCarlisle True :(

@DavidCarlisle Free TUGboat I suspect ;)

@JosephWright regarding possible failures. did you get a mail from me about the meeting?

@JosephWright ooh

@UlrikeFischer Yes: all understood

@PauloCereda He had a long night, I think

@JosephWright oh no

@JosephWright good.

What Netflix has done with Sabrina?!

@PauloCereda translation in to English?

@DavidCarlisle Netflix decided to produce a remake of Sabrina, the teenage witch and that took a very dark vibe...

@PauloCereda the only witch I remember is bewitched and the nose thing, nothing bad ever happened

@DavidCarlisle ooh

Clearly you remember Salem the cat. :)

@DavidCarlisle :)

@PauloCereda no

@DavidCarlisle oh

GitHub still down :(

@JosephWright it's up for me

@PauloCereda I mean their official statements: twitter.com/githubstatus

@JosephWright oh

@PauloCereda Has also managed to sign me out ...

@JosephWright oh no

@PauloCereda On-and-off: strange

@JosephWright ah

@JosephWright yep I decided to try again this evening I guess it will be "busy" once they get it all back (I originally noticed that github pages was acting strangely)

@DavidCarlisle luahbtex should be buildable with Cygwin now, I updated the repository with HarfBuzz 2.0.2 from TeX Live. I did a forced push, so you might need to git fetch && git reset --hard origin/harfbuzz.

@DavidCarlisle @UlrikeFischer on another news, I have a font loader that uses HarfBuzz and it is much faster and uses much less memory. Loading a document using Noto Serif CJK for the first time with luaotfload takes over than 2 minutes and freezes my system (running out of memory I guess), with the HarfBuzz loader it takes around ~.3 seconds with no caching whatsoever, that still faster than luaotfload loading from cache.

(my loader does not handle glyph extents for CFF fonts, though, so it is cheating a bit right now)

@KhaledHosny Oooh

@KhaledHosny ;-). I would really like to try, but I need a binary and I can look only at the end of the week. Regarding the freeze: try with a 64bit luatex to create the lua of the font. I needed this for a source han font.

@UlrikeFischer I tried mingw but couldn’t get the packages for my system, hopefully @DavidCarlisle will have better luck. Or may be I should setup AppVeyor CI to build Windows binaries. I already use a 64-bit LuaTeX.

@JosephWright Lua is slow, but loading the whole font in memory at once was never a good idea. “Modern” font formats go to a great pain to allow loading required data selectively and font libraries make use of that.

@KhaledHosny I could try but I didn't understand the cross compilation flags for Build.sh if I use --mingw64 what am I supposed to use for target and build ?

@DavidCarlisle I think you just pass the flag and it will set the correct configure options, and if you have the right mingw64 binaries it should just work (theoretically, I’m yet to try this).

@KhaledHosny it gets so far into the configure then stops with configure: error: when cross-compiling you must specify both --host and --build.

@DavidCarlisle I see, the script does not set --build if it is running on Windows, it checks only Linux and Darwin.

@KhaledHosny but I just tried in the linux subsystem and it's compiling something... I'll see what it does:-)

HAPPY CAPS LOCK DAY TO ALL OF YOU (daysoftheyear.com/days/caps-lock-day) sorry for shouting :)

@DavidCarlisle If you are building on native Windows, it should be x86_64-w64-mingw32, let me know when you try that so I can extend the script.

@KhaledHosny I don't have the native windows compilers installed (or at least not that I can use) so I was using cygwin trying to cross compile to mingw but now I'm using the ubuntu system in windows10 linux subsystem and just specified --mingw64 and it's doing something

@DavidCarlisle Cygwin is native AFAIC, non-native would be the Linux subsystem. I’ll need you uname -s and Cygwin, and whether setting --build=x86_64-w64-mingw32 works or not.

@KhaledHosny Oh OK I thought you meant compiling in visual studio with microsoft C++ or whatever. I'll let the linux subsystem version finish but:

$ uname -a
CYGWIN_NT-10.0 dc-bantham 2.11.1(0.329/5/3) 2018-09-05 10:24 x86_64 Cygwin

@DavidCarlisle OK, I pushed something, try on Cygwin without setting --build and let me know.

@samcarter ooh

@DavidCarlisle I read batman

@ShreevatsaR Thanks. Hopefully something useful will come out of this experiment.

@PauloCereda I have no idea where that name came from:-)

@DavidCarlisle :)

@PauloCereda Não procure um cavalo de presente na boca

@DavidCarlisle er... what?!

@PauloCereda the german translation is curious too ;-).

phrases.org.uk/meanings/…

@UlrikeFischer ah. :) I think you mean A cavalo dado não se olha os dentes.

@PauloCereda A caval donato non si guarda in bocca is the Italian version.

@PauloCereda I have more faith in Google's portuguese than yours:-)

@AlanMunn ^^ :)

The german version is "einem geschenkten Gaul schaut man nicht ins Maul"

@AlanMunn should I troll then with Bucéfalo de oferendas não perquiris formação ortodôntica. :)

@egreg ooh

@PauloCereda Wouldn't "OOH" be more appropriate?

@samcarter ooh

@KhaledHosny got nowhere with mingw32 but ./build.sh --mingw64 --build=x86_64-w64-mingw64 --make compiled for quite a while but then finally got stuck (for over an hour) in libtool:

/usr/bin/bash ./libtool  --tag=CC   --mode=link gcc -Wall -Wunused -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-unknown-pragmas -mtune=nocona -g -O3 -fno-lto -fno-use-linker-plugin  -bindir /usr/local/bin/x86_64-w64-m...........thsea_la-getopt.lo libkpathsea_la-getopt1.lo    libkpathsea_la-xfseeko.lo libkpathsea_la-xftello.lo

@KhaledHosny can't really debug during office hours, will try again later

@DavidCarlisle OK, I won’t be of any help here

@DavidCarlisle ooh office

@DavidCarlisle "it works on my machine"

@PauloCereda can you cross compile for windows (mingw64) If you can could you let @UlrikeFischer have a binary...

@DavidCarlisle I can try. :) Link?

@PauloCereda github.com/khaledhosny/luahbtex

@DavidCarlisle thanks.

github pages still disabled

@DavidCarlisle Works for me

@DavidCarlisle Now it doesn't.

@DavidCarlisle: installing dependencies, hold on

@egreg they are serving pages but not rebuilding (last time I checked)

@DavidCarlisle I can sometimes sign in, but it lasts for just a couple of minutes.

TO GITLAB

@PauloCereda nope

/cat

@PauloCereda youtube.com/watch?v=f5d8pVg3Qtg

@Skillmon ooh

@DavidCarlisle I managed to get it build on AppVeyour, stay tuned for binaries.

@KhaledHosny thanks @UlrikeFischer @JosephWright ^^^ (I'm in denial that I'm on windows so don't have a win32 tex set up at all:-)

MS-DOS open source... I'd missed this github.com/Microsoft/MS-DOS

Ancient versions of it.

@KhaledHosny yes :-)

@DavidCarlisle still building. :)

Still building too, though. I had to rebuild since I forgot to add --hb so the binaries were of no use.

@KhaledHosny oh I had to include that?! Oopsie.

@PauloCereda I’m making it the default now, since I don’t even remember to use it

@KhaledHosny oh :)

@KhaledHosny on windows, is the theory that if you have enough of MSYS/Mingw installed then you just need ./build.sh and it does the right thing, and you only need --mingw options if cross compiling?

@DavidCarlisle I had to install so many dependencies, so my guess is no. :)

@DavidCarlisle I guess if you set the right CC and CXX variables, that would be all you need.

Unless gcc and g++ are already aliases of x86_64-w64-mingw32-gcc and x86_64-w64-mingw32-g++

@PauloCereda Ive compiled it locally via cygwin and via the linux subsystem, but cross compiling for native windows seems tricky but it occurred to me that I do actually have a native windows system, so perhaps I don't need to cross compile. (I tend to forget that it's not essential to interact via cygwin on a windows box:-)

@DavidCarlisle ooh

Build produced luatex.exe but not luahbtex.exe, trying again…

Hello my friends from the U.S.!

I do not find "lyrics"...

Going with @DavidCarlisle suggestion this time and not doing a cross-compile, this is building on Windows after all.

@AlanMunn ay chihuahua

@PauloCereda I've never heard this song before. Apparently it's from a TV show. So that's your domain.

@AlanMunn Very good, Alan ;)

@AlanMunn I admit I know a couple of songs from TV shows, but that one I've never heard. :)

One for the gang:

@PauloCereda You have to know the TV series Simon & Simon! ;)

@cis I will take a look. :)

@AlanMunn: speaking of songs, have you heard Canção da Engenharia, from the Brazilian Army? It's quite different. :)

I like that they have a song for engineers. :)

@PauloCereda No, but I guess we'll be hearing it a lot all too soon.

@AlanMunn Not that much. :) youtube.com/watch?v=KAbx1tv2vGg

@PauloCereda I don't see how you can be so sure of that.

@AlanMunn ooh a conundrum

This songtext, Alan wrote down, is very difficult to sing for me... very fast 'everyday english'...

@KhaledHosny: I gave up. Cross compilation is now failing with ICU...

@PauloCereda Same here, but failing to link with ICU

@KhaledHosny :(

@PauloCereda we could revert to the original plan for windows compilation

@DavidCarlisle we could also use Word. :)

@DavidCarlisle we could also use vim. :)

@PauloCereda brilliant plan, except people might want to save their documents and quit at some point.

@DavidCarlisle ooh

@DavidCarlisle well I would naturally ask Akira but didn't want to spoil your fun.

@UlrikeFischer or rather you didn't want windows binaries to appear too soon as you wouldn't have will power to resist the temptation to try them out?

@DavidCarlisle it could have lead to a long night ;-)

@UlrikeFischer, @DavidCarlisle, @KhaledHosny Been a bit busy today: I take it progress on LuaHBTeX?

@JosephWright Relevant answer: youtube.com/watch?v=NxTLmLQaS5Q

@JosephWright been trying (failing) to build windows binaries but earlier news:

github pages finally back

@DavidCarlisle I'd seen that

@DavidCarlisle So we may be getting close ...

@JosephWright I wish to register a complaint

@PauloCereda that's not a real argument

@DavidCarlisle I never wanted to be a lion tamer

@PauloCereda I will not buy this record ...

@JosephWright For our UK-TUG meeting, we will have a man that does gardening :)

@PauloCereda Hmmm

@PauloCereda I'm still waiting to see who will stand to be Chair ...

@JosephWright ooh furniture

@JosephWright we could nominate you

@DavidCarlisle Er, you could try

@DavidCarlisle seconded

@PauloCereda done.

@DavidCarlisle Motion adjourned

@DavidCarlisle Returning officer wouldn't accept that nomination ;)

@JosephWright we could wind it up and share out the money.

@DavidCarlisle Yeah ...

@DavidCarlisle We'd all do quite well

@DavidCarlisle I do wish I could find something to do with the cash

@DavidCarlisle I have a feeling it will be one of the existing committee ...

@JosephWright ooh

@JosephWright hosting it in Oxford may not be enough to tempt me to attend...

@DavidCarlisle Fair enough

@DavidCarlisle There was a idea to go elsewhere, but I had no venue suggestion

@DavidCarlisle ooh the dictionary

@JosephWright the suggestion above wasn't entirely frivolous, I'm really not sure what the purpose is anymore, we don't publish baskerville or maintain a ctan node or maintain the faq, and the vast majority of uk tex users probably don't know it exists and wouldn't join anyway.

@PauloCereda webster's ?

@DavidCarlisle I have an Oxford one...

@DavidCarlisle I didn't think it was

@DavidCarlisle Well, 'we' do maintain the FAQ ...

@JosephWright you and I do, but we don't need UKTUG for that,

@DavidCarlisle You are of course right, the actual useful work is rather limited

@DavidCarlisle True

@DavidCarlisle One for an email I think

@JosephWright: users vs developer meetings, it seems. :)

@PauloCereda do you have the one that comes in two halves that you can almost pick up or the one that takes a whole shelf?

@DavidCarlisle No I have a pocket edition. :)

@PauloCereda Something like that