@samcarter We will see if Jimmy ever shows up here. ;-) But you'll be safe from complaints by Irene.

@marmot I don't think Jimmy will complain, I should be in his good books for answering his beamer question :)

I know it won't otherwise see the light of day, buried deep in the comments of tex.stackexchange.com/questions/298238/one-cite-crash-all, but with a title like "One \cite crash all", I just couldn't help myself...

Three \cites for the LaTex-kings under the sky, Seven for the XeLaTeX-lords in their halls of stone, Nine for Lyx Men doomed to die, One for the TeX Lord on his dark throne In the Land of stackexchange where the Shadows lie. One \cite to rule them all, One \cite to find them, One \cite to bring them all and in the \bibliography bind them.

@michal.h21 . It might be easier to chat here. I tried the above command you put in your command.

make4ht -ulm draft -f html5+dvisvgm_hashes sample.tex "htm,pic-m,pic-align,svg,p-width".

It does not work I am afraid. The table width is ignored. The math is fine, but that is the whole point of the question. I want the table column width be fixed, and also the math to stay good as outside the table. I tried your command with `\ifdefined\HCode` in there, and without it. The table column width did not change as it should. Did the width of the column when you tried it? Thanks.

@Nasser you can't ping people in multiline messages.... Also, you can't ping michal.h21 at all; he hasn't been in the chat for too long.

@boycott.se-yo' Ok. No problem. I added the above as comment to the question itself now. the web site was saying to avoid extended discussion and to use chat :)

@samcarter Is there a new beamer version?

@marmot The current version at ctan is 3.51, with this the shadow of your box should fade to transparent instead of white.

@samcarter Did you do the update?

@marmot No, I had to fix bugs which I introduced myself :)

@samcarter This is usually more difficult ;-)

@marmot The main problem is that getting rep points for answers which start with "Sorry, this was my fault..." make me feel really guilty.

@samcarter Why? It's clear that this happens. (And thanks for your block in tikzpicture node statement. I've never looked into the interna of beamer, does it share some pgfkeys with TikZ? If not, then there should be no issue.)

@samcarter but it could be very effective. And you can copy the most used sentence of @DavidCarlisle "It's not my fault" and state that the people use beamer the wrong way :)

@marmot As I know nothing about tikz, I have no idea if they share any keys. If there is some issue I'm sure we will see a question about it sooner or later. That is the good thing at TeX.SE, every issue regardless of how exotic it is, will for sure appear.

@Skillmon :) But that is a totally different situation, @DavidCarlisle never has bugs in his code

@samcarter Yes. I was just wondering about this and this is the reason why I did not try to persuade the user to give up overpic and use TikZ instead.

@Skillmon And in fact most often the problem is not that people use beamer in the wrong way, but that they don't use beamer. They try to use some hacks they have in their normal document while beamer has all kinds of handy mechanism in place which would automatically sole the problem

@Skillmon You are right here.

@marmot thank you :)

@marmot I saw that you removed your comment, so did I.

@Skillmon I already upvoted your nice answer. (Of course, if the user decides to have multiline text, there may be an issue, but (s)he was not asking about that.)

@samcarter I think the problem is, that beamer has so many handy mechanisms that no one except you does know all of them and so we frequently do stuff that is already solved. And the manual is soooo long, nobody manages to read it all.

@marmot one would have to smuggle the \strut in at the end of each node's text.

@Skillmon It is not as long as the tikz manual :)

@samcarter and who read the full tikz&pgf manual?

@Skillmon Or just give the top level node an alias, say XX, and then say \begin{tikzpicture}[baseline=(XX.base)] ...

@marmot that'd be too much TikZ for me. I can do simple drawings but the internals are still a big question mark for me :)

@marmot you could add an answer :)

@UlrikeFischer you often work with multiple texmf trees, is it possible to have an automatically incluses updmap.cfg for such a tree that is automatically applied/removed when adding/removing a tree using tlmgr.

@Skillmon Nahh, there are so many forest options I do not understand. As I said, your answer works nicely, and later today @cfr may add something really cool. ;-) (When I add the alias by hand and do as I said, this works but is extremely inelegant.)

@daleif You can put a updmap.cfg in the tree in the web2c folder. It will then be used when you call updmap-sys. See preining.info/blog/2013/07/internals-of-tex-live-2-multi-updmap.

@egreg Just 100000 more :)

hi everyone, quick question

I'm trying to use a newcommand with an optional argument in a tikzcd arrow label, like so: \ar[rr,"\res[a]bc"] and I get some cryptic error about "argument of \tikz@quote@@parser", but leaving out the optional argument makes it work fine

is this some sort of known limitation, or am I doing something wrong? (in which case I'll post a question on the main site)

@SohamChowdhury Probably the ] from the optional argument to \res is being used to delimit the optional argument to \ar, so the \ar command sees \ar[rr,"\res[a] and things break.

@SohamChowdhury Try using, perhaps, \ar[rr,"{\res[a]}bc"] to hide the inner set of brackets. If it doesn't work, then I think it's best to ask in the main site with a MWE.

is there a known workaround? some way I can escape the ]?

alright, thank you

@PhelypeOleinik \ar[rr,"{\res[a]bc}"] was what worked. thanks for the hint

@PhelypeOleinik Just a few questions with missing %.

@samcarter A first attempt ^^^^^ ;-)

@egreg My first question here, when I started to learn LaTeX, was a "missing %" question :P

@marmot <3<3<3

@PhelypeOleinik Who answered?

@egreg That one was Werner: tex.stackexchange.com/a/399990/134574

@CarLaTeX The ducks are somehow affecting my brain. I just typed texduck tikzducks and was surprised that I got an error;-)

@marmot ROFL

@marmot There's a simple solution to that echo alias texduck 'texdoc'; >> ~/.profile

@samcarter @CarLaTeX It works reasonably with some of the duck features...

Tried to add the missing quotes and failed. :(

@PhelypeOleinik I didn't see it. A better version is online. :-)

@egreg Neat =D

@egreg At the time I didn't even know that a box could have a depth :P

@AlanMunn Thanks for fixing the title :)

@marmot ^^^^

@UlrikeFischer I starred it before you pinged me.... are you getting old? ;-)

@marmot slow band width ;-)

@UlrikeFischer True, but I was faster despite the slow band width I have here on 2400m above the sea level. ;-)

@marmot it is more a problem with wlan simply shutting down for a few seconds -- and naturally I am old ;-).

@marmot oh a pizza koala

@CarLaTeX It's pizza eucalyptus of course ;-)

@marmot oooh

@marmot Oh, these koalas are so cute! Thanks so much for creating them!

@samcarter Well, these are first attempts. And I am just copying from your packages. Is there any way to posting the code without abusing the chat for it?

@marmot First attempts or not: they look really nice! For posting code I can think of a few possibilities: maybe pastebin.com or and add an answer to the duckpond question or open a "bug" report or pull request at any of my github repos

@samcarter OK, I went the duck pond way. Note that I added a modified blush that also works reasonably well with 3D at the expense of loading the fadings library.

@samcarter Just wondering if a tikzling community wiki would make sense.

@marmot Thanks a lot for the code! A new CW questions is probably a good idea, maybe just wait a bit longer until the name is finally decided after Friday.

@samcarter Sounds good. Do you have any restrictions on the tikz library you want to load?

Good evening to all users.

@marmot But is it a circular direction for the source?

@Sebastiano Hi Sebastiano, this you can draw with several dotted lines going various directions.

@marmot I have any problems with the net. Excuse me lot.

@marmot Not is very important and urgent for me. Thank you very much immensely. Now I'm out of the chat room, I also have some requirements for my school that I should do. Thank you very much. Greetings.

@marmot Added a small snack :)

@marmot I guess libraries included in the tikz package should be fine

(In case you wonder: in the above picture the eyes and nose look different because of my drawing program, they are fine in the pdf)

@samcarter If you are looking for the next tikzlings: I would like to have a Nasenbär (coati): chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/36972279#36972279

@UlrikeFischer ^^^ already planned :)

Is it correct if I edit both occurrences of \toks_if_empty in this answer to \tl_if_empty?

@samcarter ;-)))))

@UlrikeFischer (but I'm not making any promises on the time scale :)

@samcarter Christmas? ;-)

@marmot Add something cool to what?