@JosephWright ah ok, so that's the huge car--train terminal now. Well, the next large thing is Lille and than Paris CDG airport. It's interesting to be passing through there
then what I always enjoyed is the land around Avignon. The part inbetween is not that interesting.
The only funny thing is seeing how much faster you are than cars on the highways around Lyon :)
@PauloCereda Danes are on the right, Norwegians on the left of this diagram. Like the 'murcans and the brits, we are divided by a (nearly) common language.
@daleif In the local dialect around Trondheim (Norway), “æ” means “I”. And in standard Norwegian, “å” is the infinitive marker (“to” in English). And “ø” means “island” in Danish.
@UlrikeFischer Unicode is wrong, of course.
That's the result of only having ASCII available in describing characters: Otherwise, it would be LATIN SMALL LETTER Å.
So how do Swedes and Germans think about ä and ö? As separate letters, or as decorated a and o? (I assume the former, in Swedish. Not at all sure about German.)
@DavidCarlisle that script I made the other day about unicode is quite handy. See tex.stackexchange.com/q/435526/3929. The question was about xelatex, but I tried pdflatex (TL17) and it got quite ugly.
@DavidCarlisle Which makes this super hard to debug:
\documentclass[10pt]{article} \usepackage[utf8]{inputenc} \usepackage{microtype,xparse, tcolorbox} \newenvironment{reviewer-comment}{}{} \tcbuselibrary{skins} % there is a U+200E char right here \ExplSyntaxOn \begin{document}
@daleif pdftex reads the file byte by byte then the utf8 decoding is done by tex macros which can give a latex-level macro error message. xetex is reading a unicode input stream and so a bad utf8 encoding makes unprocessable input so you get a low level file read error and it substitutes the unicode replacement character before the input is tokenised at all, so the processing couldn't be more different
@daleif but the whole point of xetex is that it supports unicode, if you are using chinese with 60000 characters defining 60000 DeclareUnicode... mapping to hundreds of different 256 character fonts isn't much fun, so you don't have to declare U+200e, but then like any other character data you get a missing begin document error if you have one in the preamble
@daleif actually the comment above was for mal-formed utf-8, the example her eis not that it is just U+200e and that acts in xetex just as it would in pdftex had it been defined.
@daleif well invisible chars aren't easy for pdflatex user either. I had quite a number of questions of bewildered users where such chars broke some processing.
@daleif you would see same with defined nbsp or zero space characters with pdftex, but unicode has lots of them so most correspond to undeclared characters in pdftex
Hi all, I want to support filenames with spaces in make4ht it uses \input filename.tex for TeX file loading. Is it safe (like will it work on Windows) to use \input "filename space.tex" instead?
@michal.h21 yes or even better \input "\detokenize{...}" then non ascii works as well, but you need to make sure that there are not already " if the user passes you "filename space" then \input""filename space".tex" doesn't work
@daleif I'll update that w3c site at the weekend I see Unicode 11 came out this week (@JosephWright unicode-data will need updating) blog.unicode.org/2018/06/…
@michal.h21 as you are here. There was a discussion about the use of \write16 with luatex a few days ago. I saw that tex4ht uses it also in quite a number of files. Perhaps you should look if tex4ht would run into problems too. tex.stackexchange.com/a/435226/2388
@DavidCarlisle oh new emoji. Bears can now go to a party.
@UlrikeFischer new releases of unicode are almost all about more silly symbols for text messages these days, it must be so depressing for the typographers on the UTC :-)
@michal.h21 the error in the question only happened by rather specific conditions (write16 had to be the stream of the toc), but when it happen it can be quite bewildering and time consuming to debug such things. So it is imho really better not to use write16 for messages if the style can be used also with luatex.
@PauloCereda @HaraldHanche-Olsen @mickep I know the perfect house for this problem - please don't ask how one would number this, but the floors basically go like this:
but anyway, I know a pair of buildings where you have elevators across each other that use different floor numbering. The thing is that the buildings were connected only long time after being built, and moreover one of them is an old factory that had ~5m ceilings that are now split in half, so you really have three different second floors
@michal.h21 well write15 is a normal stream, so if you allocated it with \newwrite it is ok. But with pdflatex all number above 16 (you could also use \write42 ...) simply go to the terminal, but with luatex this are normal streams, so they should better not be used. See also sourceforge.net/p/pgf/bugs/488
@HaraldHanche-Olsen nono, two second floors in one of the buildings, and a completely different second floor in the other one (likely equivalent to something like first underground floor in the first building)
@samcarter actually, my friend lives in an appartment building which is really three buildings offset by a third of a floor from each other, connected by the (sort-of squarish) stairs and corridors. I think he still doesn't know which floor he lives at :-)
@michal.h21 15 is a legal write stream so that always has the possibility of a clash with a stream allocated via \newwrite the difference with 16 is that in classic tex it is not a legal stream value so just writes to the log but in luatex there are 256 streams so 16 can clash with a package allocate \newwrite stream.
@yo' no \typeout not shell escape
@michal.h21 most the time you can use \wlog for just the log or \typeout if you want to go to the terminal, but if you want a positive non-allocated number use something bigger than luatex uses so 1000 or some such.
@samcarter -- i've seen this arrangement of floors in several museums. if i remember correctly, the floors were marked "front" and "back" in the elevators, but just the same numbers counting up from whatever is the bottom floor on that particular side. (but i do know a house here in providence that has a .5 in the address, and the arrangement of floors is exactly that relative to the houses on either side.)
@zhk Perhaps, but various parts of the kernel have been tightened up: code that was never supported is in some cases now giving an error, but was never right before
%\setbeamertemplate{navigation symbols}{} % To remove the navigation symbols from the bottom of all slides uncomment this line }
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@JosephWright I didnt select that theme I just downloaded this template and used for long time but this is the first time I am facing any use with this
@zhk In the original longer example, but not in the shorter one
@zhk The problem with such 'templates' is they are often a collection of stuff you are not using ... however that can't be the reason you've had an issue
In addition to all of the ducklings currently around the area, one will also see mallard ducks without, (the mallards would run the red headed duck off if they had ducklings).
Lots of other animals such as foxes will eat ducklings, are there any statistics as to how many ducklings survive?
There's a huge list of things to start duck hunting. Dogs, decoys, blinds, etc, and it's a chicken/egg problem. How could I possibly know how to buy and train a dog, which decoys to buy, etc., without already knowing how and where to duck hunt?
What's a good way for a complete rookie to start ...
\begin{frame} \frametitle{Properties of nanofluids \cite{f1}}
\begin{itemize} \item Higher specific surface area, and hence more heat transfer surface between particles and fluid. \item Higher stability of the colloidal suspension, mostly dominated by Brownian motion of the particles. %\item Lower pumping power required to achieve the equivalent heat transfer. \item Reduced particle clogging as compared to conventional colloids; hence promoting system miniaturization
@zhk You are not loading inputenc in your example file. This means that problematic utf8 chars could simply pass through. But now utf8 is the default in the format and they can lead to errors.
@zhk try if it works if you add \UseRawEncoding before the documentclass command.
@zhk Ok. So this means that my diagnosis is correct. But you should try to correct the documents and their encoding. And check if you don't have missing chars, perhaps the fl are lost now.
@PauloCereda I just read the lua book of Roberto Ierusalimschy, and he wrote sentences like "the user can ... and then she will have to ..." and found this a quite nice touch ;-).
@AlanMunn I don't think that he is alternating. He simply always wrote "she" in such contexts as far as I remember. Here there is currently a discussion about how to address both genders in words. One of the suggestions is a star: "Schüler*innen" to denote both Schüler and Schülerinnen.
@CarLaTeX A slightly better car for the duck \documentclass[tikz,border=3.14pt]{standalone} \usepackage{tikzducks} \begin{document} \begin{tikzpicture} % front wheel \shade[inner color=black,outer color=black!70] (-3,-0.7) circle (1.5cm); \fill[black!20!white] (-3,-0.7) circle (0.8cm); \foreach \X in {0,30,...,330} {\fill[black] (-3,-0.7) +({\X-5}:0.6) circle (1pt);} % back wheel \shade[inner color=black,outer color=black!70] (3,-0.7) circle (1.5cm); \fill[black!20!white] (3,-0.7) circle (0.8cm);
@CarLaTeX @DavidCarlisle \documentclass[tikz,border=3.14pt]{standalone} \usepackage{tikzducks} \begin{document} \begin{tikzpicture} % right front wheel \shade[inner color=black,outer color=black!70] (-3.3,-0.1) circle (1.5cm); \fill[black!20!white] (-3,-0.7) circle (0.8cm); \foreach \X in {0,30,...,330} {\fill[black] (-3.3,-0.1) +({\X-5}:0.6) circle (1pt);} % left front wheel \shade[inner color=black,outer color=black!70] (-3,-0.7) circle (1.5cm); \fill[black!20!white] (-3,-0.7) circle (0.8cm);
@marmot -- ah, well. (i am consideing getting myself a vespa as a retirement present. long, long ago, that was my ride of choice (actually necessity) for a couple of years. every spring, i think ... maybe this year?)
@UlrikeFischer Yes, I figured that, and it's what many people do. Alternating is another choice. These things are harder to do in languages with natural gender. In US English people often use 'x` in things like "latinx" for latino/latina. But it's quite informal. Doesn't using * means that "Schüler*innen" gives you "Schülerrrrrrinnen" (etc.) :)
@PauloCereda -- i think it is also the italian word for wasp. you would know why the name is apt as soon as you hear one go by. (i guess i like vehicles with reasonably quiet but distinctive sounds. i really missed my old two-cycle saab when it needed to be retired. i'm told that i still listen for the two-cycle scream before upshifting ...)
@CarLaTeX No, there is one place in Laguna beach which is really rather authentic (and correspondingly expensive). Everything in there is written in Italian and the gelato is really good. And there is also one good pizzeria, again run by Italians....
@CarLaTeX There's always room for ruining things, but it's definitely possible to get good gelato here. Although I suspect there may be flavours which are not authentic.
@CarLaTeX "here" being the US, not East Lansing. :D
@CarLaTeX -- i don't think it's been ruined. the places i've had it, it was made very carefully, and is distinctly different from both ice cream and sherbet. and quite yummy!
There is a new note app (name: Boostnote) that is famous among programmers apparently. It supports LaTeX syntax too and you can organize code snippets and tag stuff. Maybe interesting for you guys.
Some folks suggested that I change the title of tex.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/7711/… So, I'm afraid I'm getting more involved and exposed in a conversation than I really wish to. So, what I would do is ask the mods whether it is possible to delete someone else's comments, and, perhaps, the whole question altogether. I really hope you don't mind.
@MdAyquassar you seem to be getting in to a large number of "issues" for a new member of the site:-)
@MdAyquassar if you want to reach the mods you should mod flag your question (not here in chat) one of them might be passing by and notice your comment but then again they may not.
@CarLaTeX Ice cream has a much higher cream (i.e., fat) content than gelato does. Italian gelato is made with more milk than cream, and contains no egg yolks, which ice cream often does. it could well be that the Italian term covers both types, but in English to the extent that people know what gelato is, it's different.
In addition to all of the ducklings currently around the area, one will also see mallard ducks without, (the mallards would run the red headed duck off if they had ducklings).
Lots of other animals such as foxes will eat ducklings, are there any statistics as to how many ducklings survive?
There's a huge list of things to start duck hunting. Dogs, decoys, blinds, etc, and it's a chicken/egg problem. How could I possibly know how to buy and train a dog, which decoys to buy, etc., without already knowing how and where to duck hunt?
What's a good way for a complete rookie to start ...
