@JosephWright Isn't that off-topic? Or is there some room to keep fun on meta?

@Johannes_B I think, it is off-topic. Mentioning LaTeX slightly does not make it on-topic here at all.

@ChristianHupfer LaTeX questions are off topic on meta as well.

Incoming duck fight! :)

@Johannes_B Yes, that's what I meant. It has nothing to do with TeX.SE (both sites). It should be asked on English.SE, if at all...

@ChristianHupfer I proposed Duck.SE

@Johannes_B Ok, then let's shift all Duck related stuff from here to that site. We can answer the remaining 5 questions then ;-)

@ChristianHupfer I also condemn every TikZ question or answer. Every answer should go to texample and friends, where they are properly tagged into math, or optics, or structural engineering. Here, they are tagged as tikz, which is pretty pointless to me.

@AlanMunn ^^ :)

@PauloCereda Studying for your thesis, aren't you? ;)

@mickep <3

@Johannes_B Yes, it's off-topic. If you would like to clean the Meta site, please flag this as not-an-answer, too: tex.meta.stackexchange.com/a/7341/101651

@CarLaTeX The whole question is off-topic, imho.

@Johannes_B Flag it as off-topic

@CarLaTeX I am not starting a war ;-)

@Johannes_B Neither do I, I only pointed out another thing to clean

@Johannes_B I flagged my question as off-topic

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So I just got a package (well, actually two packages) accepted at CTAN. So I was wondering if it is automatically adapted by TeXLive? I tried their package contribution info site, but it was kinda unclear. Anyone knows?

@AndreasStorvikStrauman As long you have the correct license the package(s) will go to TeXLive and MikTeX

@AndreasStorvikStrauman usually (so long as it has a compatible licence) but they are busy finalising texlive 2018 at present so it may not happen immediately (and will not go in to texlive 2017 which is frozen)

@ChristianHupfer At times it may happen that one needs to apply a small push on the list, but usually the process is smooth.

Oh, okay :)

Thanks

@egreg Ok, but that has not happened to my packages yet, as far as I can tell

@AndreasStorvikStrauman what's the package name?

@DavidCarlisle ... I don't wanna say ....

@AndreasStorvikStrauman but your name is in ctan contributors so I know anyway:-) and they are both in texlive already: tug.org/svn/texlive/trunk/Master/texmf-dist/tex/latex/…

@DavidCarlisle I was joking kinda :p

@DavidCarlisle This site shows the packages inside texlive? When I do tlmgr search exercisebank it doesn't show up. Could that be because of the frozen state? Or is it a mirror that isn't updated yet?

@DavidCarlisle Deymn. This "Karl" is taking authorship of my package. Curse him! Haha :p

@AndreasStorvikStrauman unless you have actively switched to the texlive 2018-pretest your texlive will be texlive 2017 and that will not change now

@DavidCarlisle Yeah, that I get. I'm just not clear on why my package doesn't show up in texlive manager (hence the tlmgr search command).

@AndreasStorvikStrauman because most likely you have a texlive 2017 texlive manager not a texlive 2018 one.

@DavidCarlisle Perfect, I get it now. Thanks.

@DavidCarlisle Do I have to be a TUG member or something to get access to texlive 2018-pretest?

@AndreasStorvikStrauman I see this tug.org/svn/…

@AndreasStorvikStrauman no anyone can try tug.org/texlive/pretest.html

@egreg Nice! But it'll still only be available in texlive 2018, right?

@DavidCarlisle Sweet!

@AndreasStorvikStrauman exercisebank sounds like a useful package if it does what it sounds like it does! :)

@mickep Basically it allows you to create exercises in separate files, and then later you can mix-and match these to create an exercise set. And you can cherry-pick and exclude partproblems within the exercise if you wish.

@AndreasStorvikStrauman Very good. We are discussing at work to form some database of exercises (math).

@PauloCereda Very clever.

@mickep Maybe this could work for you then. It's in pretty early stages though. We're using this at a course in Electro magnetism this semester, so hopefully we'll find a lot of bugs and make it stable. We have a public gihub repo where you can keep up, report bugs and/or contribute if you end up using this :)

@mickep I'm working on cleaning up the github repo now. Just FYI :p

@AndreasStorvikStrauman OK, fine. I bookmarked the page, and I will discuss it with my colleagues next time we have this question on the agenda. :)

@mickep :)

@PauloCereda we should avoid d...k comments and stick to other issues like:

@PauloCereda or we could discuss important issues from the BBC News

@DavidCarlisle oh no

@DavidCarlisle ooh

@DavidCarlisle Can't we go back to cricket? Aussies tampering with the ball and all that.

@AlanMunn just don't mention "58"

@DavidCarlisle I was being very polite.

@DavidCarlisle And then, of course we can't escape the ducks there either. :P

@PauloCereda Well, I have asked on the big meta couple years before to allow users to opt out from all winter easter whatever stuff. However, I seem to be the only one f**** moron who's annoyed by all this crap :-/

@yo' No, I don't really go for the 'fun' stuff either

For example, every year CTAN's 'April Fool' stuff causes some people to think there are real issues

@JosephWright this year's seemed particularly intrusive

@DavidCarlisle well, it's never listening, so no security concerns. But the duck is annoying (any static site content is annoying to people like me)

@yo' not the duck, ctan's "change your browser" security alert

@DavidCarlisle ah ok

@DavidCarlisle Yes

@yo' if they are going to do something it should be something obviously silly and not alarming for people who don't know about april fools or don't remember the date etc

@yo' If you click on "I hate this duck" (which appears after "Quacks") the duck disappears

@CarLaTeX well, an AdBlock filter works, for all sites at once, and reliably. I now don't really care anymore.

@yo' Ooooh I didn't know an AdBlock exists

@egreg, @DavidCarlisle Down to 30 'foreign internals' ....

Is there support for colourizing text in l3 without \usepackage{color} or xcolor?

@Skillmon I'm working on it!

@Skillmon See l3color

@JosephWright I know, but there is also stuff inside l3drivers, so I wondered whether one could use that.

@Skillmon l3drivers is very low-level

@JosephWright but easy to use for just changing the text colour in a single box...

\group_begin:
\driver_color_gray:n { 0.5 }
\group_insert_after:N \driver_color_reset:
text
\group_end:

@Skillmon Yes, but at that level you may as well stick to color

@JosephWright but then I'd have to load an additional package just for colouring two words when I already have expl3 loaded :)

@Skillmon Sure, and over time I'm hoping to shift the higher-level code into expl3 ...

@JosephWright giving such basic colouring to l3color shouldn't be that hard, should it? Something like \cs_new:Nn \color_text_gray:nn { \color_group_begin: \driver_color_gray:n { #1 } #2 \color_group_end: }...

@Skillmon Current interface set up avoids needing to know the colour model and offers xcolor-like expressions

@JosephWright well that was just a quick write up. You guys will most likely create an awesome interface:) (but doesn't xcolor also need to know the color model as an argument to define new colours?!)

@Skillmon No, you need to know the underlying colour model to write to the driver

@JosephWright is \color_group_begin: ... \color_group_end: meant to substitute \group_begin: \group_insert_after:N \driver_color_reset: ... \group_end:?

@Skillmon Yes, in that all of the l3 boxes are already colour safe

@Skillmon Current issues are things like the meaning of certain terms, what do do about spot colours, ...

@Skillmon I also need to look again at dvipdfmx ...

@JosephWright so I can safely use that instead of the (slightly) longer setup used in my above code snippet?

@JosephWright I guess I can't help you with that :( I have no idea of the underlying drivers.

@Skillmon Yes

Nope, breaks my code (is not used in a l3box context) :(

@Skillmon Ah, that would be an issue

@Skillmon Very few people do really: the issue I have is not general, it's about splitting stroke and fill for drawings (I have an approach, but something on a list suggests there may be a better one)

@JosephWright and that is so much an issue that there are no simple commands like \textcolor in l3 yet? (sorry I sit on the other side of the chain and am thinking 'why can't I have the basics covered?')

@Skillmon That's not the blocker :)

@Skillmon First, someone had to write something, then we have to argue about interfaces. Here, the question is whether the xcolor 'expressions' are the right way to go

@Skillmon Also things like how do you describe stuff: I've used Adobe's terminology, but that is mainly print-oriented

@JosephWright and who is involved in those arguments? Anyone in the l3-team? If so, any chance I can join just to speed things up?

@Skillmon l3color is on CTAN and usable ...

@Skillmon Discussion to date has been on the (internal) team list, but anyone is free to raise stuff on LaTeX-L

@JosephWright oh, I tend to consult interface3 (which covers l3color-base but not l3color). I'm sorry, I overlooked the missing -base in your messages. But that means I'd have to include l3color in addition to expl3, am I right?

@Skillmon At present, yes: I split the colour support as we need some very low level stuff in expl3 to make the boxes colour-safe

@Skillmon As you say, at present you'd need to load l3color in addition to expl3: we've got other stuff on at the moment, so I'm not likely to get it merged into the kernel just yet!

@JosephWright then I'll stick with the driver version just for that (just colouring a count displayed next to some text in the duckuments duckumentation).

@JosephWright don't worry. There is no hassle. Most of the time I'm able to do what I want. I have no idea how colouring is implemented in any LaTeX package and atm am happy that I don't have to :)

@Skillmon Back with wanting the basics, so do the team, it's just it's non-trivial when you get to the details!

Anyone read Greek? @egreg?

@DavidCarlisle See above, in particular 'and who is involved in those arguments? Anyone in the l3-team? If so, any chance I can join just to speed things up?' :)

@JosephWright I couldn't possibly comment, anyway I'm being Heiko and need some Greek help:-)

@DavidCarlisle Ah, right

@DavidCarlisle that sounds strange. Is this a joke I'm not getting?

@DavidCarlisle I can read Greek, understanding it is a different topic.

@egreg thanks, you may remember github.com/ho-tex/hyperref/issues/52#issuecomment-356950485

from this

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage[T1,LGR]{fontenc}
\usepackage[greek]{babel}
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}


\usepackage[unicode]{hyperref}



\begin{document}
\section{Κάτι}
\label{sec:here}

\begin{figure}
\caption{\label{fig:here} Γειά σου Κόσμε}
\end{figure}

\autoref{sec:here}

\autoref{fig:here}
\end{document}

do the bookmark mane and autoref texts look reasonable?

If I don't use [unicode] I get this but I'm not sure if i can do any better in teh classic pdf strings?

Package hyperref Warning: Glyph not defined in PD1 encoding,
(hyperref)                removing `\textKappa' on input line 12.


Package hyperref Warning: Glyph not defined in PD1 encoding,
(hyperref)                removing `\ensuregreek' on input line 12.


Package hyperref Warning: Glyph not defined in PD1 encoding,
(hyperref)                removing `\acctonos' on input line 12.


Package hyperref Warning: Glyph not defined in PD1 encoding,
(hyperref)                removing `\textalpha' on input line 12.

@Skillmon Heiko's "oberdiek" and "hyperref" bundles are currently maintained at github github.com/ho-tex by the "support group" which means, basically, me:-)

@DavidCarlisle so that's why you called yourself Heiko...

@Skillmon yes trying to knock off some of the open issues including this one, to add Greek support to hyperref's \autoref command

@DavidCarlisle Relatively straight-forward?

@DavidCarlisle I read the github post (at least the first few entries in that thread)

@JosephWright well the text was supplied so that bit was (once I'd changed some of the k's to c's in the names, but checking if it's right kind of assumes you can read the output:-) and if possible I'd like to at least get some approximations in to the PD1 encoding, It's tempting to make unicode the default but I'm not sure of the implications of that.

@DavidCarlisle Hmm, probably another thing needing testing!

@DavidCarlisle I'm not sure what PD1 supports

@JosephWright I've not got a usable test harness for hyperref:(

@DavidCarlisle Sure, I'm familiar with that issue (see beamer)

@DavidCarlisle Anyhow, the unicode version seems good

@egreg also I'm not sure what's culturally acceptable, I could of course make kappa say "kappa" in ascii but that's probably rubbish, I think I should just tell people to use Unicode option.

@egreg thanks

@DavidCarlisle That's reasonable

@egreg Thanks, I'll put a note in the gh issue

@DavidCarlisle -- with any luck, you've got mail.

@barbarabeeton yes thanks, actually I got three, the other two you might also be interested in, seeing as the concerns overlap, see this gh issue: github.com/latex3/latex2e/issues/5

Good evening and happy Eastern to everybody.

@DavidCarlisle Sir, can I ask an help, please?

How I must to obtain the bronze medal Self-learning? I have answer my own question with score of 3 or more.

@Sebastiano I know nothing about miktex

@DavidCarlisle Why now I have -2 after my consideration?

@DavidCarlisle Ok. Excuse me again.

Why now I have a downvote on tex.stackexchange.com/questions/419957/…? What is the reason?

@Sebastiano well I didn't vote but probably people wondered why you had posted an answer after Ulrike (who is the site's main miktex expert) had answered. The comments suggest that it was not the best answer/

@Sebastiano voting is anonymous, if people do not leave a comment then by design you do not know who voted, or why

@DavidCarlisle Now I have understood, but yet I not know the reason of my downvote after that I ask a clear for a badge.

@Sebastiano don't just put answers to get yourself a badge!!!! remember that the question is archived forever and later readers should see Ulrike's answer and so your answers do not help

@DavidCarlisle My aim was not to achieve a badge but rather to understand how the site works. I like honesty and honesty. I left it because at least I have two different ways of installing new fonts. I have Ulrike's answer and mine so next time I'm not mistaken. But I do not understand why such severity. So not saying anything is the best solution?

@Sebastiano it is perfectly fine to self answer a question, but rather odd to do so after an answer has already been posted. But as I say I know nothing about Miktex so iI can not really say whether your answer is right or wrong, just saying Ulrike had already answered

@Sebastiano well you asked why anyone would downvote and that is my best guess of a reason. People can only guess.

@DavidCarlisle I assure you 100% that my answer is correct, indeed very correct. It also works with the old and new method. Patience. I'm not very good at using LaTeX but mine was not a complaint. It was just an explanation. I wish those who voted negative my answer always every good.

@Sebastiano well whatever that is still my guess. You should perhaps have said how it differs from the existing answer since it was posted much later.

@DavidCarlisle And always thanks for your availability. A cordial greeting from Sicily.

@DavidCarlisle Of course, there have been two whole days to understand how to return to the old method.

@AlexG Hi, and good night to everybody.

It's not April 1 anywhere in the world anymore. So why is the damn duck still there?

@AlanMunn If you run through one 'search' you can turn the damn thing off

@JosephWright I know, but shouldn't it have disappeared on its own by now?

@AlanMunn You'd have hoped

^^^ Is this hyphenation even allowed?

Or is somebody playing dirty tricks with TeX here?

@HenriMenke \unhbox, probably.

@HenriMenke Or using \lefthyphenmin=1

@HenriMenke Can you concoct an example? The red border seems to point to a hyperlink.

Damn duck

@egreg Red border is mine. It's a screenshot from a paper but it's not on the arXiv, so I cannot look at the source.

@HenriMenke Sorry, no idea except silly tampering with hyphenation parameters.

@HenriMenke Or, as I said, \unhbox

@egreg That's unlikely mid-paragraph.

@HenriMenke But indeed \lefthyphenmin=1 can give it.

@egreg The other paragraphs also look suspiciously like \lefthyphenmin=1 and \righthyphenmin=1. Brrr....

@HenriMenke Italian hyphenation would not suffer much from such setting, in particular it could well have \lefthyphenmin=1 (although 2 is preferable). For English less than 2 (left) and 3 (right) is disastrous.