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12:39 AM

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Especially funny to find such a question, where, moreover, you don't remember asking it. Happens most often to @egreg and @DavidCarlisle :-)

egreg

12:58 AM

@yo' Yes, I remember none of my questions.

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David Carlisle

7:29 AM

@yo' I have asked all of my questions at least three times, and never had a good answer to any of them

Paulo Cereda

8:23 AM

@DavidCarlisle: did you see Nintendo Labo?

David Carlisle

8:54 AM

@PauloCereda no, who is she?

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh :)

@DavidCarlisle labo.nintendo.com

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda oh, robotic cardboard boxes:-)

Paulo Cereda

9:10 AM

@DavidCarlisle :)

Paulo Cereda

10:56 AM

Warm-up for LuaTeX 1.07.0 (well... almost all done, really). Already landed in TeXLive 2018 svn. 1) tl2018 has luatex (lua52) as tex engine and luatex53 (lua53) as *program*, i.e. not tex engine, useful to check lua53 scripts.

Tweeted by luigi_scarso on January 18, 2018 at 10:25 AM

@JosephWright ^^

egreg

11:23 AM

@PauloCereda New features, new fun!

Paulo Cereda

11:35 AM

@egreg :)

David Carlisle

11:53 AM

@PauloCereda oh I was just going to comment to @JosephWright about same thing (not the tweet, Luigi just mailed us with the same warning:-) I guess we'd better get the l3build testing running of luatex experimental releases again.....

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh can I create a LaTeX3 account in Twitter?

Then we can add a GitHub hook and annoy people

Paulo Cereda

12:14 PM

Don’t use google translate.

Tweeted by _youhadonejob1 on January 18, 2018 at 12:01 PM

@DavidCarlisle ^^

Also

Best. Business card. Ever.

Tweeted by AcademiaObscura on January 18, 2018 at 11:55 AM

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Joseph Wright

1:52 PM

@DavidCarlisle I see there are W32TeX builds: I'll try one tonight

samcarter

2:05 PM

@UlrikeFischer Would you like to convert groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.text.tex/85Z8kICOdow/yKMQQ6pLSTcJ into an answer to tex.stackexchange.com/q/410980/36296?

Paulo Cereda

2:56 PM

@JosephWright Luigi told it compiles in the Linux subsystem too.

Alan Munn

3:42 PM

@JosephWright Can you add the second answer to the duplicate link on this tex.stackexchange.com/q/410863/2693 (although technically the OP was asking a more basic question, so it's not a duplicate strictly speaking.)

Ulrike Fischer

4:00 PM

@samcarter Imho it should be better closed as "unclear". Without a log-file that shows the pathes and versions one can't say anything specific but only make wild guesses.

David Carlisle

@JosephWright Luigi's narrowed down the issue on cygwin (poppler using non standard gnu c++ stuff so needing extra flags passed to the compiler as far as I understand, there was/is an issue in the poppler bugzilla) So hopefully I'll be bale to build again soon as well.

@PauloCereda that was an option I thought of if I couldn't get cygwin to work

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ah

David Carlisle

4:27 PM

@PauloCereda by default cygwin build fails, Luigi can reproduce and identified it as this bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97915 so it'll probably get fixed

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Meanwhile, version 4.0 of arara has Cygwin support specially for you. :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda I'll probably dump it and use the linux subsystem :-)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Cygwin or arara? o.O

David Carlisle

4:41 PM

@PauloCereda both!

Alan Munn

2 days ago, by Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn Nah, I will soon get distracted and this trauma will surely... OOH A COOKIE

Paulo Cereda

5:12 PM

@AlanMunn ooh :)

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn Done

@DavidCarlisle Cool

David Carlisle

This is LuaTeX, Version 1.07.0 (TeX Live 2018/dev)

@JosephWright ^^

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Cool

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle This is LuaTeX, Version 2.01.0a (TeX Live 2010/dev)

Ulrike Fischer

5:34 PM

@DavidCarlisle This is LuaTeX, Version 1.07.0 (TeX Live 2017/W32TeX) . Does someone know why w32tex.org has not only a dev version but also luatex-exp-w32.tar.xz?

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer I was wondering that

Alan Munn

5:55 PM

@marmot Don't make too many friends, Mr Marmot nytimes.com/2018/01/17/science/…

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Paulo Cereda

> Marmots were studied under annual permits issued by the Colorado Division of Wildlife (TR-917). All procedures were approved under research protocol ARC 2001-191-01 by the University of California Los Angeles Animal Care Committee on 13 May 2002, and renewed annually.

Proceedings of the Royal Society B

@AlanMunn wow

marmot

6:24 PM

@AlanMunn Are you saying that I will live longer if I vote all your answers down? ;-)

Aditya

@PauloCereda: You'll like this site: duckietown.org

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Paulo Cereda

@Aditya oooh

Dr. Manuel Kuehner

6:49 PM

@UlrikeFischer Hello Ulrike. I sent you an email (fischer@troubleshooting-tex.de) yesterday about my problem. It would be very cool if you could indicate whether you are interested or if I should look for another solution. It's about using a ttf font in Beamer.

Ulrike Fischer

@Dr.ManuelKuehner I did reply yesterday. Didn't you got it?

Dr. Manuel Kuehner

No. I'll check my spam folder

@UlrikeFischer No, I'll check my spam folder

marmot

@AlanMunn See http://marmots.org/about-marmots/animal-profile/, where it is written that ``...marmots live in family groups called colonies and hibernate below ground from mid-September until late
April or early May. Hibernation permits the marmots to survive the long alpine winters when food is not available. Radio-telemetry suggests that marmots hibernate as family groups...'' So we spend much more than 50% of the year very close to each other anyway, so is it too surprising that we seek some privacy for some time in summer?

Dr. Manuel Kuehner

@UlrikeFischer Indeed. It is in the spam folder :). Thanks for replying. I'll try to solve is myself. If I get stuck at the "trivial" problem (as you call it in the mail) then I will come back to you and I will be happy to pay.

Joseph Wright

8:09 PM

@UlrikeFischer The exp version uses Lua 5.3

Paulo Cereda

@marmot: consider this a tribute: github.com/cereda/marmot

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:)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle I'm starting on a full set of tests

@DavidCarlisle I'll check v1.07/Lua 5.2 first, then move on to Lua 5.3

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright My new hypothetical tool can help somehow. :)

TeXnician

@PauloCereda I remember some very full repository which doesn't even have a nice picture: github.com/cereda/artexmis...

Paulo Cereda

@TeXnician ooh I need one for that as well!

TeXnician

8:16 PM

@PauloCereda Well, it's good that at least the artwork will be finished soon ;)

Paulo Cereda

@TeXnician so true. :D

marmot

@PauloCereda LOVE IT! Quack!

Paulo Cereda

@marmot Consider it as my new project after the release of arara 4.0 later on this year, together with ArTeXmis. :)

TeXnician

@PauloCereda And the holy ghost of the ducks will fill the repository with commits one day (when he's finished his thesis)...

Paulo Cereda

@TeXnician one day. :)

marmot

8:20 PM

@PauloCereda Here is a way to mock up a latex document: \def\def{\empty} ;-)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle They've changed the discretionary logging again

Maïeul

8:47 PM

Holla !

Is there any changelog for l3build?

Joseph Wright

@Maïeul The Git history ...

Maïeul

I would like to know when ` \RenewExpandableDocumentCommand` was added for test minimum version required by reledmac

Joseph Wright

@Maïeul Huh? That's xparse

Maïeul

not l3build, xparse

I made a typo :-)

I was so focused previous time on l3build :P

Joseph Wright

@Maïeul Commit 70d2cb0d9388131c17ed44d0a295cc39d913c988, dated 2017-02-16

Maïeul

8:49 PM

@JosephWright thanks a lot

Joseph Wright

@Maïeul Not a problem

barbara beeton

9:46 PM

@egreg -- i'm not sure the answer in the question marked as a duplicate will work for this question: tex.stackexchange.com/q/411046 . unfortunately, i don't have a (la)tex system available, and can't test. if it does work, i'd like to know. would you be willing to try it out and let me know, please?

marmot

10:15 PM

@PauloCereda How about Most Amazing Recreation Material Of TeX ?

Phelype Oleinik

@marmot MARMOTeX?

marmot

@PauloCereda Or just MARMOT? MARMOTeX may be misinterpreted as something analogous to the German Unkraut-Ex....

CarLaTeX

@marmot In Italian MARMOTeX=MARBLETeX

Phelype Oleinik

@marmot Unkraut-Ex is that herbicide thing used for making explosives?

marmot

@PhelypeOleinik You may abuse it like this. But it is really meant to exterminate weeds. Hence MARMOTeX sounds a bit like something to exterminate marmots.... not good....

@CarLaTeX Also not to good for @PauloCereda nice web site... what do you think?

Phelype Oleinik

10:24 PM

@marmot Well, that was what I could understand from the Wikipedia page :P

@marmot But in this case you have to agree with me that MARMOTeX has much more impact!

I'm going to hell for this :)

CarLaTeX

@marmot but it could sound strong

marmot

@PhelypeOleinik NOW I start understanding why it is healthier for marmots not too become too social ;-) @AlanMunn seems to be right...

Phelype Oleinik

@marmot LOL XD

marmot

@CarLaTeX but "Most Amazing Recreational Material Of TeX" sounds like a lot of fun... I guess, it will be full of ducks (and marmots, of course)... what do you think?

CarLaTeX

@marmot Very funny! :):):)

marmot

10:35 PM

@CarLaTeX What is the correct translation of feep into duck language? Quack?

David Carlisle

10:51 PM

@JosephWright yep saw your mail:-) I've just kicked off a test run now (after updating l3build and latex2e) I'll see what I get....

egreg

@barbarabeeton Indeed, it's not a duplicate.

barbara beeton

@egreg -- thanks. can werner reopen it directly? if not, i'll post a reopen request.

egreg

@barbarabeeton Already reopened.

barbara beeton

@egreg -- thanks!

egreg

@barbarabeeton I had a doubt about compatibility with cleveref, but I tested and there was no problem.

David Carlisle

10:58 PM

@UlrikeFischer (@JosephWright) I guess it's built off the head of the experimental branch rather than trunk (which are currently the same)

barbara beeton

@egreg -- is the suggestion i made in a comment the right one? (except that i didn't mention that the first align* shouldn't be starred.) if it's appropriate, i'll post an answer. (i know that this is what's recommended in the amsthm documentation.)

egreg

@barbarabeeton In the edit to the question, align has become equation.

barbara beeton

@egreg -- that's good. should i post an answer?

egreg

@barbarabeeton I think so. Maybe I'll add something for cleveref.

David Carlisle

can anyone translate this into english, I'm having trouble parsing it

@David Carlisle: So is there a way around that? Longtable is a bit of a strange beast. — CGRemakes 1 min ago

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David Carlisle

11:23 PM

@JosephWright VVVVV

  Check failed with difference files
  - ../build/test/tlb-callbacks-001.luatex.diff
  - ../build/test/tlb-extraprimitives-001.luatex.diff
  - ../build/test/tlb-ltluatex-001.luatex.diff
  - ../build/test/tlb0010.luatex.diff
  - ../build/test/tlb0056.luatex.diff
  - ../build/test/tlb0073.luatex.diff
  - ../build/test/tlb0077.luatex.diff
  - ../build/test/tlb0320.luatex.diff
  - ../build/test/tlb0380.luatex.diff
  - ../build/test/tlb0881.luatex.diff
  - ../build/test/tlb0942.luatex.diff
  - ../build/test/tlb1451.luatex.diff

@JosephWright the above is with a build from experimental branch luatex 5.3 flavoured luatex (i suppose we are going to have to decide if tl2018 should have lualatex and luatex53 by default (and the test suite engine options....)

egreg

11:46 PM

@barbarabeeton Added the example

barbara beeton

@egreg -- good edit. thanks much.

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