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Alan Munn

01:58

From boiling lead and black art: An essay on the history of mathematical typography

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TeXnician

10:16

Christian Hupfer will be here soon and post an answer. — Johannes_B 8 mins ago

^^ It's good to know that there is a counter wizard ;)

gusbrs

11:01

This is a kind invite for @egreg to comment on tex.stackexchange.com/a/409132/105447 about why there is no patch command for biblatex's CiteCommands in xpatch. (Doubt arose whether you were actually pinged by my comment there. I really don't know, but I don't mean to be pushy. So please apologize if this is reaching you in duplicity).

David Carlisle

@gusbrs it would seem odd for me for a patch package to have code for specific other packages, that would be a never ending extension route. Why not just patch the macros that biblatex defines?

gusbrs

@DavidCarlisle, this might well be the explanation, it is not needed, because you can patch the macros. I've myself been faced with the need to redefine a citation command in the past (perhaps the idea was ill advised, I admit).

I'm trying to grasp the possibilities and advantages/disadvantages of patching. I'm just curious. It is not a "feature request".

Joseph Wright

11:21

@DavidCarlisle I've added a config file for the TU tests in 2e, but there are currently lots of failures (so I've not enabled them as-standard)

@DavidCarlisle As you wrote the tests, I wonder if you might take a look!

egreg

@gusbrs I see in numeric.cbx,

\DeclareCiteCommand{\cite}[\mkbibbrackets]
  {\usebibmacro{prenote}}
  {\usebibmacro{citeindex}%
   \usebibmacro{cite}}
  {\multicitedelim}
  {\usebibmacro{postnote}}

But then the relevant command \blx@citei@cite is defined as

> \blx@citei@cite=\protected\long macro:
#1#2#3#4->\ifblank {#1} {} {\def \abx@field@prenote {#1}}\ifblank {#2} {\let \b
lx@thenotecheck \relax } {\def \abx@field@postnote {#2}}\def \blx@precode {\del
imcontext {cite}\usebibmacro {prenote}}\def \blx@loopcode {\usebibmacro {citein
dex}\usebibmacro {cite}}\def \blx@dlimcode {\multicitedelim }\def \blx@postcode
 {\usebibmacro {postnote}}\def \blx@postpunct@saved {#4}\blx@citeloop {#3}\endg
roup .

I see no sensible interface for doing patches.

gusbrs

11:38

@egreg, my curiosity emerged as an user. A systemic look led me to expect that, as there are patch commands for other relevant biblatex's features, there might be one as well for DeclareCiteCommand. I'm really not acquainted with how the actual patching works, and what is required for it to work.

But I understand that no one asked such patch command before and that it might not be technically viable. Curiosity satisfied! Thank you!

Paulo Cereda

13:01

Quack!

@CarLaTeX: Hey today you should get presents from the Befana lady. :)

Christian Hupfer

13:22

@TorbjørnT.: Thanks for adding the missing package name in the description!

Stefan Kottwitz

Most here are TUG members :-) anyway,

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Christian Hupfer

@StefanKottwitz A shameless trial to lure us to the Dark Side? ;-) Oh, I am on the Dark side already ...

Ulrike Fischer

@samcarter @PauloCereda tex.meta.stackexchange.com/a/7497/2388

Paulo Cereda

oooh das Vampirente! — Paulo Cereda 11 secs ago

Ulrike Fischer

@PauloCereda Die Vampirente ;-)

Christian Hupfer

13:30

@UlrikeFischer Is the green one a Virus duck then?

Ulrike Fischer

@ChristianHupfer Looks more like a duck-cactus crossbred.

Christian Hupfer

@UlrikeFischer Needs a lot of imagination to be reminded of a cactus... but it's thorny ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@UlrikeFischer ooh

Ulrike Fischer

Jan 6 '17 at 18:55, by Ulrike Fischer

@PauloCereda Die Ente. We germans love to make it difficult to get the correct gender ...

Paulo Cereda

@UlrikeFischer Der Vampirerpel!

Christian Hupfer

13:39

@PauloCereda Very good....

Ulrike Fischer

@PauloCereda ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer <3

CarLaTeX

13:57

@PauloCereda You're late, it was yesterday! :P

Paulo Cereda

14:08

@CarLaTeX oh no

TeXnician

14:29

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yo'

@TeXnician only 3 palindromes? :-)

TeXnician

@yo' Well, unfortunately a 1 at the end is hard to get...

Skillmon

@UlrikeFischer Why do you want the kind Vampirente to die?

yo'

@TeXnician no, I mean you've got 14341, 3, 66, which are palindromes, and then 25

TeXnician

@yo' Well, when the comma isn't misplaced anymore, I can care about the fourth palindrome ;)

barbara beeton

16:08

@AlanMunn -- nice! thanks! do you know if the author is reachable other than by twitter? (i don't tweet.) i have a couple of comments, including a couple of typos.

Alan Munn

16:18

@barbarabeeton Hi barbara, no I don't know. A student of mine sent me the link in the fall.

David Carlisle

@JosephWright ok will look...

Ulrike Fischer

@barbarabeeton There is an email adress in the "about" page.

barbara beeton

@AlanMunn -- okay, thanks. by the way, how's your weather today? here it's clear and very cold. (earlier, -3f almost= -20c, new record low, and still sinking.) it may go up to freezing by wednesday.

@UlrikeFischer -- thanks -- i'll check there. ( i thought i had, but will do so again.)

tomorrow the knuth80 conference starts in sweden. his actual birthday is on wednesday. (links on don's home page at stanford, or i'm sure findable with a web search.)

Alan Munn

@barbarabeeton It has warmed up considerably today, to -8C (18F) and by Thursday it's supposed to be 10C (50F)!

barbara beeton

@AlanMunn -- ah! that's what's threatened here too by the end of the week. will believe it when i see it.

Stefan Kottwitz

16:26

@barbarabeeton And I fly to the US next week. :-o if the flight doesn't get cancelled due to the weather conditions.

David Carlisle

@JosephWright what's the way I'm supposed to use the config-TU.lua in the current (repo) iteration of l3build? (I'll look at doc but of you are around...)

barbara beeton

@StefanKottwitz -- well, good luck on that. where in the u.s.? (probably somewhere near water?)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle texlua build.lua check -c config-TU

David Carlisle

@JosephWright it's doing something...

Stefan Kottwitz

@barbarabeeton to Miami with 21C or 70F right now ;-) so no worries.

Alan Munn

16:32

@StefanKottwitz Hurricane season is over. You should be fine.

David Carlisle

@JosephWright tu-asciiquotes01 (being teh first failure) says

! ! Undefined control sequence.
! <argument> \textquotesingle

which seems to imply tuenc.def didn't get loaded into the format

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Hmm, could be

@DavidCarlisle Probably the format-building stuff being tricky again: it's a bolt-on

David Carlisle

i@JosephWright the log files for the format building have been cleaned up? I see the lualatex format in ../build/local/lualatex.fmt but no log?

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle They all build latex.fmt then have to be renamed

David Carlisle

@JosephWright yes but I couldn't see a latex.log either

Joseph Wright

16:46

@DavidCarlisle No: it's done in unpackdir but that gets zapped

@DavidCarlisle Isn't really set up for checking on stuff: like I said, format-building is a bolt-on and something of a bodge

David Carlisle

@JosephWright ah OK, do you want me to debug or do you want to look certainly tuenc .def doesn't seem to be being used

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle I'm checking on whether tuenc.def is getting loaded

Alan Munn

17:01

If this voting pattern keeps up, I'll get the populist badge on an answer by Heiko! :) tex.stackexchange.com/q/409249/2693

David Carlisle

@JosephWright if the fonttext.cfg in support get used?

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Yes: I've solved that but still have an issue. Working on it!

Joseph Wright

21:38

@DavidCarlisle, @egreg You'll see I've mailed the LuaTeX people ...

Christian Hupfer

@CarLaTeX @samcarter: Some application of tikzducks in education:

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Joseph Wright

21:54

@DavidCarlisle Found the issue :)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright I was away, let me look at mail...

Joseph Wright

22:06

@DavidCarlisle TU tests enabled :)

samcarter

@ChristianHupfer Brilliant! Nobody will be able to ever again forget the pizza formula!

Skillmon

Is \mathchoice fully expandable?

Joseph Wright

@Skillmon No

David Carlisle

@JosephWright I'll give them a try...

@Skillmon it's not even a little bit expandable:-) (it is a box assignment)

@JosephWright no change in l3build?

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle No: was an issue in the custom code we have for building a format

@DavidCarlisle The 2e tests are particularly tricky to set up

David Carlisle

22:57

@JosephWright ah should have read my mail earlier I had some fun after giit pull:-) just got git status saying all is well and saw your mail..:-)

I get one TU test failure

$ more   - ../build/test/tu-tl2e7.xetex.diff
*** ../build/test/tu-tl2e7.xetex.tlg    2018-01-07 22:56:47.876878800 +0000
--- ../build/test/tu-tl2e7.xetex.log    2018-01-07 22:56:55.268531300 +0000
***************
*** 607,613 ****
  ...\glue 15.08499 plus 4.31 minus 0.86198
  ...\glue(\parskip) 0.0 plus 1.0
  ...\glue(\baselineskip) 5.92001
! ...\hbox(10.08+2.79358)x345.0, glue set 92.94252fil
  ....\hbox(9.47519+0.0)x30.6144
  .....\glue 0.0
  .....\TU/lmr/bx/n/14.4 14
--- 607,613 ----
  ...\glue 15.08499 plus 4.31 minus 0.86198

which doesn't look too bad, if you get the same?

Alan Munn

@ChristianHupfer I think you're forgetting something.

Skillmon

@DavidCarlisle thx, just found out that it isn't, but now I have the reason.

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