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12:15 AM
How does one make a latex table like this:
The top left corner contains no value.
I'm using csvreader.
 
@Ralf17 So leave that cell empty
Perhaps post the question on the site.
 
12:37 AM
@StefanKottwitz I made the table, header empty -- it now works.
Thanks for the suggestion.
 
 
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3:17 AM
Anyone have a simple answer to this unanswered question:
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Q: Foreach loop in tabular, missing endgroup inserted

JoostI'm trying to create a table using the foreach loops made available in the pgffor package. Using the following code, I am able to generate the right contents, but not aligned properly. \begin{tabular}{c} \foreach \i in {0,...,7}{ \foreach \j in {0,...,7}{ (\i,\j) ...

I've got a similar problem that's been nagging me for hours...
 
 
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7:48 AM
@AnotherGoogler must be a duplicate that loop starts off in the first cell which is a local tex group so when it sees \\ that cell ends and it forgets where it is in the loop, you basically can't do it that way. Construct the whole table as a token list inside the loop, then execute the tokens afterwards
 
 
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8:51 AM
@PauloCereda -- there are some good books on indexing, but i don't have access to them right now (and won't until next week). and as @yo' says, it's complicated. the approach i use is to read the text (after letting it sit for at least a few hours) and try to think of what i would be looking for later, and what term(s) i might use for the search. those become my index entries.
 
9:19 AM
@DavidCarlisle I've started on code comments in beamer: github.com/josephwright/beamer/commit/…
@DavidCarlisle Plan to work through the files and 'tidy up' as I go: lots of extra% chars for a start (plus some missing)
@DavidCarlisle Have decided I am going to switch argument grabbing to xparse as I do that: will make the internals a lot clearer
Obviously needs to be done carefully ...
 
9:31 AM
@barbarabeeton Thanks, it's a very helpful advice!
 
@JosephWright Last famous words. :)
 
@wilx Yes, of course there are some risks
 
10:02 AM
@PauloCereda @barbarabeeton forgot to mention the first requirement: to have some text written that needs an index.
 
10:21 AM
@DavidCarlisle touché. :)
 
10:39 AM
@Jan: Sorry to nudge (@PauloCereda ;-)) you but editing closed questions bumps them on the Reopen Review queue -- sometimes this is justified, but most times it's not necessary ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer know what I mean know what I mean nudge nudge say no more
 
@PauloCereda Your wife...er....
 
@ChristianHupfer photography!
 
@PauloCereda Sports...
 
@ChristianHupfer Cricket!
 
10:54 AM
@PauloCereda A good night ... ding ding ding .... :-P
 
@ChristianHupfer THE BISHOP
We is too late
 
@PauloCereda !!!
 
I love that sketch :)
@JosephWright <3
 
@PauloCereda The dead bishop at the river side -- call the church police? ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer Don't say the word, vic!
 
11:07 AM
@PauloCereda: One of the stranger (!!!) episodes :D
 
@JosephWright I use it a lot. :)
 
I see it gets 90 watchers and 1700+ stars on GitHub: rather better than I've ever managed
 
@JosephWright same here...
 
@JosephWright Doesn't work with the latest beamer though. (github.com/matze/mtheme/issues/247)
 
11:18 AM
@TorbjørnT. Yes, I've just fixed all of that
 
@TorbjørnT. @JosephWright's revenge for having less stars for the beamer core than a mere theme.
 
@ChristianHupfer Congratulations on the 100K mark! Good to see you back.
 
What I find a bit odd is that it's been set up as a separate theme rather than the obvious approach of asking for it to be added to the core release ...
 
@JosephWright Great, thanks!
 
@ChristianHupfer oh missed that, welcome to the club:-)
 
11:19 AM
@StevenB.Segletes Hi!
 
@PauloCereda Greetings!
 
@TorbjørnT. OK, the message does point to the theme but I think a ping to me might have been handy (from someone): of course, I got that in a way from tex.stackexchange.com/questions/347383/…
Of course, as they've picked a non-standard license I can't offer to pick it up
(CC is not a code license at all ...)
 
Is it still Joachim who is maintaining xindy? in TL16 there is no latin1 settings for danish, only latin9. But latin9 is not a supported inputenc for xindy ....
 
@daleif I think so
 
I'll drop him an email. Yes we should all be using utf8, but we still have legacy docs.
 
11:29 AM
@DavidCarlisle Thank you too. Are free food and drinks included now? ;-)
@StevenB.Segletes: Thank you very much...
 
@ChristianHupfer no
 
@ChristianHupfer Free drinks on the house, served in LaTeX cups.
 
@DavidCarlisle damn /sob
@StevenB.Segletes You mean \cup then? ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer Touche! Please \par\TeX of some!
 
@ChristianHupfer @PauloCereda's credit card is not what it used to be.
 
11:36 AM
@DavidCarlisle I will not use @PauloCereda's credit card -- it's scratched ;-)
 
11:48 AM
@ChristianHupfer Welcome!!!! Another big achievement!
 
@egreg loopspace next?
 
12:04 PM
@egreg Thank you very much. Next goal: 500k ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer oy
 
@ChristianHupfer :)
@DavidCarlisle When he'll come back with us.
 
@egreg He popped in recently
 
@JosephWright Phantom-like
 
12:11 PM
\ex\left(\sum_{u\in N(R_{j+1})\cap\cals_j}(2rd_{\cals_j}(u)+1)\right)
Is there any situation where the above LaTeX has any sense?
Some Pandoc user is trying to convert possibly malformed LaTeX.
I am trying to figure out if some of the macros could have meaning with the right package, e.g., the \ex and \cals in the above.
 
\begin{document}
\thesis
\end{document}
@DavidCarlisle ^^ progress!
 
@PauloCereda oh! you've finished already
 
@DavidCarlisle \thesis is undefined. :)
 
@PauloCereda \def\thesis{\thesis}
4
 
@PauloCereda \documentclass{ghostlikedocuments} ;-)
 
12:15 PM
@DavidCarlisle I WUB YOU
@ChristianHupfer David is more helpful
 
@PauloCereda Ok, just once in a while he is useful :D
 
@ChristianHupfer :)
 
@PauloCereda Your "\thesis is undefined." I can't tell you how many times I hear that in school.
 
@StevenB.Segletes This year is complicated for me because of this. :)
 
@PauloCereda: Is your thesis on Brontosaurs, for chance? ;-)
 
12:18 PM
@PauloCereda I get no error from your document?
 
@ChristianHupfer ooh and the thesis is mine, and what it is too!
 
\documentclass{happyholidays}
\begin{document}
\thesis
\end{document}
 
@PauloCereda And it is yours .... Don't forget to cough :D
 
@DavidCarlisle I need this class. :)
@ChristianHupfer I won't wear a dress!
 
@PauloCereda it's available under an open source licence
 
12:19 PM
Today we are too Pythonist
Suddenly, @JosephWright will come dressed as a general saying this chatroom became rather silly and ask us to stop!
 
@PauloCereda No you can never be too Pythonist...
 
@ChristianHupfer Ducks don't like snakes. :)
 
@PauloCereda Or call Cardinal Richelieu...
 
! Undefined control sequence.
l.5 \thesis
@ChristianHupfer ooh NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition
jarring sound
 
@PauloCereda From storage jars in Bolivia? ;-)
 
12:23 PM
Why did the scientist install a knocker on his door? He wanted to win the No-bell prize!
/ba dum tss
@ChristianHupfer Java jar :)
 
@PauloCereda Fie!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
@ChristianHupfer I wanna make a joke about sodium, but Na.. :D
 
@PauloCereda Brilliant joke :D
 
^^ @JosephWright ^^
 
@PauloCereda OH!! (that's the basic retort)
 
12:27 PM
-13°C this morning
 
@ChristianHupfer Yes, I had to shovel an inch of crystallized global warming off my sidewalk this morning ;^)
 
@StevenB.Segletes ooh I see what you did there
26C now.
At least no one tried insects puns so far, they really bug me.
 
@StevenB.Segletes Global warming does not mean there's no ice ;-) We used to have much more snow and ice years ago. Actually, the whole of Germany's South, Switzerland and Austria experiences a drought for months. The last two years have been too warm...
 
Q: What did one ocean say to the other ocean? A: Nothing, they just waved.
 
"Global warming does not mean there's no ice" Indeed it does not. Last year, we recorded the largest snowfall in our recorded history, just shy of 1m.
 
12:35 PM
ooh there's a horse
@AlexFranko: Hello!
 
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/346695/how-can-we-draw-a-duck-in-order-to-create-a-tikzducks-package-and-store-it-in-c
You come back from vacation and learn that people think your ducks are ugly. :( That really hurts!
 
@PauloCereda you should use my document class.
 
> A change.org petition posted by Star Wars fan Cody Christensen seeks to change that. It includes a simple request to the Walt Disney Company and its CEO, Bob Iger: declare the character of Princess Leia an official "Disney princess."
@Maeher I think I lost something in the process...
 
@PauloCereda Chewbroccolli starring in "Grocery Store Wars ":youtube.com/watch?v=hVrIyEu6h_E
 
12:51 PM
@StevenB.Segletes LOLOLOL
 
Anyone know what exactly it is in fixme that makes it fail on \fxnote{a [h] b}? MWE:
\documentclass[a4paper]{memoir}
\usepackage[draft]{fixme}
\begin{document}

bad:\fxnote{test [H] test}

God:\fxnote{test {[H]} test}
\end{document}
 
@daleif Has all the characteristics of mistakening the [ ] for an optional argument...
 
1:06 PM
@PauloCereda Not sure I'm following...
 
@Maeher oh no, we are both lost :)
 
@daleif God?
 
@Maeher You mean the tikzpeople duck? I don't think it is ugly. It has personality and shows ducks as "people" and not some cute animal and I quite like my thesis challenging duck ;-)
 
@StevenB.Segletes Yup
@daleif, @StevenB.Segletes Bug in \FXLayoutMargin: it passes the argument without taking account of any possible bracket:
\marginpar [\raggedleft \@fxuseface {margin}\ignorespaces #3 \fxnotename {#1}: #2]%
{\raggedright \@fxuseface {margin}\ignorespaces #3 \fxnotename {#1}: #2}
 
1:17 PM
@UlrikeFischer Well, the duck will need the sword and shield for its thesis defense. ;) (That's actually why they exist, for my defense slides :D)
 
1:32 PM
@JosephWright missing an o, god = good in danish
 
@daleif I thought as much :)
 
That bug has been annoying me for years, just never looked it up.
 
@daleif Good God! Really?
 
ooh there's a bee
 
1:50 PM
@DavidCarlisle I see an update to ltplain (docs): after all this time, still not right :)
 
2:06 PM
@StevenB.Segletes God is spelled gud in DK, good is spelled god
 
@JosephWright \slash?
 
@DavidCarlisle Yup
 
@JosephWright only saw the diff go past it looked plausibly right at the time:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Well it's from FMi, so it's likely OK
 
@JosephWright oh I thought you meant his new text was wrong:-)
 
2:18 PM
@DavidCarlisle No, I meant amazing there is anything to change in ltplain
 
@yo': I now have a machine named prague. :)
It's a netbook running an Arch-based distro. Impressive stability and speed!
 
yo'
3:02 PM
@PauloCereda Nice! And a.good OS choice, Prague is full of Arch-itecture!
 
@yo' <3
@egreg: I am thinking of buying a fisarmonica. :)
 
@PauloCereda More portable than a piano
 
@egreg Yes. :)
 
@PauloCereda Like Woody Allen in “Take the money and run”?
4:00 mark
 
3:26 PM
@egreg Exactly. :)
 
3:37 PM
@egreg you're the mathematician, don't ask me to check your sums:-)
 
3:47 PM
@DavidCarlisle David obtained a 1st Class Honours (in 1982) and a PhD (in 1985) in Mathematics from Manchester University.
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:D
 
@PauloCereda Do they know math in Manchester? I thought they're only interested in soccer.
 
@egreg :)
 
@PauloCereda mostly worked in GF_2 so never needed numbers bigger than 1
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
4:45 PM
@PauloCereda What is this 'Manchester University'? We have the University of Manchester since 2004, but not in 1982 ;)
 
Related to our problem with null bytes on Windows. It has become much worse as one of a users files now permanently reports null bytes. Just to show what we observed here is an image (I've removed the user information)
 
@JosephWright hmm it didn't get called "the Victoria University of Manchester" very often:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
@DavidCarlisle Tough, that's your degree awarding body :)
 
Notice how file in cygwin first reports this is all LaTeX files, then 6 sec later two are data, and some 30 sec later, LaTeX again.
Now awaiting help from the IT department. The user has been moved back to Linux, and after some further mistakes, the user has now been introduced to subversion
 
@JosephWright usually pronounced "Owens"
@daleif is /drives/u a network share or on the local machine?
 
4:50 PM
@DavidCarlisle network share
 
@daleif hmm I'd guess it's not always sharing as well as one might hope
 
@JosephWright ooh :)
 
@DavidCarlisle but to permanently make a 180k file with just null bytes. And only starts to do this after we have used a LaTeX editor to change the file? If this was a share problem, shouldn't we see the problem with the other files as well not just the ones we changed.
 
@daleif no idea but if the data is wiped by nulls then comes back it's clearly been somewhere else in between times, so the share exposing flaky data while not actually corrupting the data on its own disk would be my first guess
 
@DavidCarlisle That even makes it more scary. But then why only two users as my department. That ought to hit all Win10 users in the organisation. Anyway, it is not my job to debug windows. The first test is of course to see what happens if the antivirus is not running (windows policy => we cannot switch it of to test, need and antivirus admin to do that). Would also be interesting to test off line files, even though this is a desktop PC (not a laptop)
 
 
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Jan
6:22 PM
@ChristianHupfer Thank you Christian. I am still learning.
 
@Jan We all do...
 
Ducks are great learners!
 
Jan
6:43 PM
quack quack quack
Must be carefully, to not accidently insert a "r" in my last sentence :-)
 
@Jan Exactly!
@Jan That's a quantum duck language, I don't speak that. :)
 
Jan
German word "Quark" (with an "R") means "nonsense".
@PauloCereda neither do I
 
@Jan That's nonsense.
/ba dum tss
Ducks are good with jokes!
 
Jan
Quark!
 
Quirk!
 
6:47 PM
@Jan uud or udd ... or mixing in the Dirac Sea? ;-)
 
Das Ente ist sehr gut.
 
Jan
@PauloCereda Ente gut, alles gut!
 
@PauloCereda Die Ente. We germans love to make it difficult to get the correct gender ...
 
@UlrikeFischer I blame my German teacher. But I could not help, I was lost inside her deep beautiful eyes...
 
@PauloCereda German Language is very easy.... die Ente, der Tiger, das Krokodil ... so simple ;-)
 
7:03 PM
@ChristianHupfer don't forget die Tigerente
 
@StefanKottwitz Oh no, of course not!
 
@ChristianHupfer interesting...
^^ click here
You said das Krokodil. :)
 
@ChristianHupfer justwrite english permutebut wörds the and outmissspaces, and add dotssomeeffectför
 
@PauloCereda Oh no, I opened Pandora's box ....
 
@ChristianHupfer <3
 
7:08 PM
@PauloCereda The "Schnappi" song violates the Geneva Convention!!!!!!
 
@ChristianHupfer You are not protected by GEMA anymore!
bwawawawawawawawa
 
Jan
@ChristianHupfer I daresay, it'll be closed soon.
 
@PauloCereda I cite the German Gestapo officer from the MP Lethal Joke sketch: Tats not funny :-(
 
@ChristianHupfer OH NO
 
Jan
@ChristianHupfer Same applies to the "Förster vom Silberwald".
 
7:10 PM
@Jan Do you like Schnappi? :)
 
Jan
@PauloCereda Of Course NOT AT ALL!
 
@Jan The forest "Silberwald" is ok, but not the Förster :D
 
@Jan oh
@DavidCarlisle: people are being mean to me
 
@PauloCereda excellent!
 
@DavidCarlisle oh
 
7:12 PM
@PauloCereda I wanted to join in with the crowd
 
@DavidCarlisle <3
 
Jan
Whohooo! Hello David.
@ChristianHupfer You know the movie "Top Secret"?
I have not the slightest idea, where the Silberwald is located.
 
@Jan About the spy pretending to be a pop star and visiting the DDR? (GDR for our non-German fellows here)
 
Jan
@ChristianHupfer Exactly. In the english original: "Isch liebe Disch, mein Führrer!" :-)
 
@Jan Hm... isn't that line from Blues Brothers?
 
Jan
7:18 PM
@ChristianHupfer I must confess, that I've never seen the Blues Brothers in english. But I am quite sure, that in the german translation, not even in the directors cut, there is a similar sentence.
 
@Jan I've watched 'Top Secret' only once and it's about 20 years ago. I don't remember much. Time to watch it again.
Ok, I am off for a while
 
Jan
I watched it in english as in gernan. Some jokes are better in the one or the other language.
 
7:57 PM
ooh DSOTM
@vap: hi!
 
8:28 PM
Oh no, poor Florida.
 
yo'
8:48 PM
@PauloCereda :-(
 
There are too many sad events in the world
 
@CarLaTeX Indeed. :(
 
:'(
 
/hugs
 
9:33 PM
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Q: keywords environment could not be compiled in ieeetran

A.LocFollowing code is presented by an IEEE-sponsored conference as the corresponding template. I'm gonna compile it, but there are many problems with it, seemingly. First of all, my ieeetran.cls is update (ver. 1.8). The first problem is with \overrideIEEEmargins as ! undefined control sequence. The...

In my opinion both answers are equal, the newer one does not really contribute new insights then...
 
@ChristianHupfer They differ by 17 seconds.
 
@egreg Ok, I did not check the time....nothing to do then...
 
@ChristianHupfer I upvoted both, no reason for distinguish between them
 
@egreg Done so for the 'newer' one too now...
 
I submitted a package to CTAN almost two weeks ago and have heard nothing.
Anyone have any advice about how to proceed?
 
9:43 PM
@DanielSank What's the name of the package?
 
@DanielSank since the last two weeks have been almost entirely holiday, I'd wait a bit:-)
 
@ChristianHupfer modular
@DavidCarlisle Ha! Two weeks of "holiday" eh? I wanna live where you live ;)
 
@DanielSank Well, it's not in the archive yet
 
@DanielSank but if you want to check it hasn't fallen through the cracks just mail ctan@ctan.org and ask them
 
@ChristianHupfer I know that much XD
 
9:45 PM
@DanielSank well for example my office shut for 5 days plus 3 days national bank holiday plus three weekends
 
@DavidCarlisle There are recent updates to packages apparently that have been submitted some days ago, during Christmas break
 
Ok if that's true then I will email.
 
@ChristianHupfer yes but there is more admin for a new submitter that needs to be set up, if Joseph submits an update to beamer they can process it in their sleep:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle That's true
 
Well I emailed in any case. Thanks, guys.
 
9:49 PM
@DanielSank Did you received the 'Successful upload' message on the CTAN site?
 
@ChristianHupfer As far as I remember, yes, but my brain is mostly wired to ignore such things and expect a confirmation email, which I did not get.
 
@DanielSank You should get some 'Thank you for uploading' etc mail, most likely from Manfred Lotz or Petra (or Ina)....
 
@ChristianHupfer Nope.
Nothing. Radio silence.
 
10:09 PM
@DanielSank Well, @DavidCarlisle's assumption is correct, most likely.
 
@ChristianHupfer Sure. I sent an email anyway. I eagerly await a response, as I would prefer to stop using git submodules to pull in my favorite macros etc. :D
(yes, I know I can install packages from a local source, but let's do it right, eh?)
 
@DanielSank Odd
@DavidCarlisle I'm not a good example: probably the most regular 'customer' of all!
 
@JosephWright You're responsible for beamer?
 
@DanielSank By default, yes
 
I'd like to provide you a beer.
Beamer is the only presentation system I know of that allows me to modularly compose presentations from pre-existing individual slides.
...and doesn't make me want to scoop out my eyeballs to include mathematical notation.
 
10:30 PM
Speaking of beamer, work on trying to actually document the internals is turning up some interesting things :)
 
Mar 26 '12 at 19:37, by David Carlisle
@Canageek moral of the story: never read the documentation, bad things happen
 
@DavidCarlisle Indeed
@DavidCarlisle It's more trying to work out what Till was up to 10+ years ago based on several *** empty log message *** commits :)
 
@JosephWright As planned: invite Till to a TikZ meeting in Oxford, then we will surprise him by focussing on beamer issues.
 
Ah yes, the ol' bait and switch.
 
@StefanKottwitz Oh, he's said yes to coming, but we don't have details on location/date/etc
 
10:41 PM
@JosephWright the "dungeon" sounds inviting
 
@StefanKottwitz Current plan is London: other members of committee are on it
 
@JosephWright I look forward to attending it!
@JosephWright I guess Till would fly from Hamburg too, I could help keeping travel costs low by getting the flight tickets from my company
 
@StefanKottwitz Let's first see what happens about firming up details
@StefanKottwitz I'm looking forward to meeting Till: I know him only vaguely by direct contact
 
@JosephWright Of course.
@JosephWright Just stand by the story that UK TUG means UK TikZ Users Group
 
11:08 PM
@StefanKottwitz s/TikZ/The Picture Mode/
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
@DavidCarlisle PGF means Picture mode Graphics Format anyway
 
@StefanKottwitz maybe I could give a talk on Aircraft design
 
@DavidCarlisle I could plot something, as Jan 2
 

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