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mickep

06:56

@CarLaTeX @DavidCarlisle I once (in 2009) gave a talk with slides using the Mathematica fonts. In recent distributions of Mathematica, I have not been able to find the font files.

(I cannot say I'm proud of the result, but it was a bit fun, and as far as I know, the only way to have a "typewriter" math font)

CarLaTeX

@mickep Sorry, I can't help, but I'm sure @egreg can :)

Paulo Cereda

08:35

@DavidCarlisle no channel broadcasts cricket around here. :(

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda /me Quacks sadly

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Quack. :(

Paulo Cereda

08:47

I like how they had to explicitly refer to the software with this headline. :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Should say 'WINE' ...

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright I think both spellings are correct...

David Carlisle

@JosephWright morning, I guess luatex.def shouldn't wait for any pending update for multiple dots etc?

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle No: fix asap I think

@DavidCarlisle Git branch ;)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright yes well I pushed it to master already:-)

Joseph Wright

08:54

@DavidCarlisle Cool

David Carlisle

@JosephWright er is there a scheme to the tagging in graphics-def or just tag with the last edit date

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle We've gone for date-based tags, so git tag -a -m "Release 2017-11-23" 2017-11-23 would be my approach

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright whatthecommit.com

David Carlisle

grr test files in graphics-def fail with pointless diffs so build ctan doesn't build I guess I should fix that first:

!  925 strings out of 492998
!  11721 string characters out of 6134540
!  80884 words of memory out of 5000000
!  4960 multiletter control sequences out of 15000+600000

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Yes: I've not yet sorted that, but it much the same as \CheckSum: any changes need a new set of .tlg files

@DavidCarlisle I forget exactly why this happens!

David Carlisle

09:06

@JosephWright oh the test ends with \END so it's supposed to stop the logging before that I thought, I'll look in a bit, need to do some day job now...

@JosephWright ah, it never gets as far as \END because teh checked in .luatex.tlg says it is supposed to getnerate

! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [input stack size=5000].
\TYPE #1->\begingroup \long \def \TYPE ##
                                         1{##1}\immediate \write 128{#1}\end...
l. ...\END
If you really absolutely need more capacity,
you can ask a wizard to enlarge me.
Here is how much of LuaTeX's memory you used:

I'll add some guards so all the tests run cleanly on all platforms. later....

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Cool: I'll leave it to you

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Guards? That sounds so much Haskell. :)

Paulo Cereda

10:10

ooh there's a heated discussion in the FreeBSD mailing list about some fortune cookies...

Harald Hanche-Olsen

10:35

@PauloCereda There are lots and lots of FreeBSD mailing lists …

Paulo Cereda

@HaraldHanche-Olsen I get the funniest bits. :)

samcarter

12:35

@CarLaTeX Just read the duckboat: simply fantastic!

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CarLaTeX

13:40

@samcarter Yay!!! As you can see, I've used a lot of tikzducks :):):)

A Gold Man

17:11

@samcarter where can I get a copy?

CarLaTeX

@AGoldMan Here: tug.org/tugboat/contents.html, but if you're not a TUG member you have to wait a year

samcarter

@AGoldMan tug.org/TUGboat/tb38-3/tb120duck.pdf

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@AGoldMan The Duckboat seems to be available without password

@CarLaTeX The more ducks the merrier :)

@CarLaTeX I bookmarked the link to it - could be useful as comment for $U_l$ questions :)

CarLaTeX

17:26

@samcarter LOL! Indeed, it contains news which could be old one year later!

@samcarter What are $U_I$ questions?

samcarter

@CarLaTeX The lazy ones :) The font here makes it hard to distinguish l and I :)

CarLaTeX

@samcarter Ah, you were referring to the van Duck's law, LOL

samcarter

@CarLaTeX Exactly :) A very useful equation!

CarLaTeX

@samcarter LOL <3 <3 <3

Ulrike Fischer

17:45

@CarLaTeX The comment of my husband: Schick und Doppelquack !!!!

David Carlisle

@samcarter so does this tug.org/TUGboat/tb38-3/tb120xii-lat.pdf (complete with typo:-) (@barbarabeeton)

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CarLaTeX

@UlrikeFischer LOL <3 <3 <3

samcarter

@DavidCarlisle I am really grateful that you put the file on ctan! I first tried to copy it from the pdf, but apparently something went wrong and I would not want to search for the problem in this letter salad :)

@DavidCarlisle btw: why does ctan suggest pdftex xii.tex and not tex?

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle You wrote that much text?!

samcarter

@PauloCereda I bet reply to this comment will contain the word "thesis" :)

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Paulo Cereda

17:59

@samcarter oi

samcarter

@PauloCereda In other news: The random duck generator broke lualatex and xelatex - the good news is that Santa's beard is now on ctan

Paulo Cereda

@samcarter ooh

samcarter

@PauloCereda ooog

Paulo Cereda

18:17

o.O

Ulrike Fischer

18:32

@samcarter With luatex the solution is easy, either load luatex85 or use \randomseed, but with xelatex there is imho nothing comparable. @JosephWright asked once that it is added but it didn't happend (yet?).

samcarter

@UlrikeFischer Thanks for your suggestions! Indeed I changed to \randomseed for luatex. For xelatex I now use \pgfmathsetseed{\time} which is not ideal, but at least it compiles again ...

Paulo Cereda

QUACK

it's been a while. :)

David Carlisle

19:14

@samcarter most people use pdf(la)tex rather than (la)tex these days don't they? Also of course that is the old one that's been there for a decade or more, the link should go to xii-latnot xii

@PauloCereda and of course not a single typo

CarLaTeX

19:26

@DavidCarlisle Your true love should give you a pineapple pizza :):):)

Joseph Wright

19:37

@UlrikeFischer True: it got bogged down in details of the generator ...

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright You (or @samcarter) could try a new feature request. The argument that it is needed for good random ducks should convinced all people concerned with typesetting ;-).

Moriambar

20:01

@CarLaTeX I'm here after some time and the first thing I read is pineapple pizza… some things never change

CarLaTeX

Oct 29 at 9:26, by CarLaTeX

Dec 26 '14 at 0:17, by Faheem Mitha

I've got a feeling we had this discussion in this channel before. I'm getting a sense of deja vu.

@Moriambar ^^^

Moriambar

lol

also: the chat does not sound-ping me anymore

yay

barbara beeton

21:24

@DavidCarlisle -- oh, drat. what's the typo? (i'm in quebec, reading mail on my laptop. no reasonable access to much of anything, except things that don't require a password or one that is remembered by laptop. don't remember my tug member password, so can't check that.)

David Carlisle

@barbarabeeton it gives the link to ctan as pkg/xii not xii-lat (although they link to each other so not end of the world)

barbara beeton

@DavidCarlisle -- oh. rats. maybe we can put in an xref?

David Carlisle

@barbarabeeton as noted above the current tugboat doesn't seem to be password protected

barbara beeton

@DavidCarlisle -- thanks for that. (but you can attest that i did carefully proofread the output of xii-lat. and i can attest that you did carefully fix anything i complained about.)

@DavidCarlisle -- yes, i see. is this true of the whole issue, or just selected items?

David Carlisle

@barbarabeeton I'm sure the translation is so good that people will assume that I had translated it myself:-)

@barbarabeeton I don't know, They were chatting about the duck thing and I just tried mine out of interest so i only know those two are open.

barbara beeton

21:33

@DavidCarlisle -- hmmmph. (actually, i know of an alternate translation. but i like this one. probably because i've heard it sung every christmas for about 60 years.)

David Carlisle

@barbarabeeton oh no! what happened here:

translate.google.com/…

Ulrike Fischer

@barbarabeeton selected items. When I clicked on the complete pdf I was asked for my password. And I now tried the pstricks article and was asked too. I can't test tikzducks and David's article as they are already in my cache.

barbara beeton

21:49

@DavidCarlisle -- that's a silly question. i don't think there are (m)any pieces of software other than tex that can even make sense out of that file.

@UlrikeFischer -- thanks. i've already determined that those two are open. (i've forgotten what karl and i discussed.)

A Gold Man

@UlrikeFischer all the articles in the latex section are protected

David Carlisle

22:04

@barbarabeeton but I have absolute faith in google translate

A Gold Man

@DavidCarlisle is that how you found out about pineapple pizza?

David Carlisle

22:28

@AGoldMan La pizza hawaiana è sempre presente nei ristoranti italiani.

A Gold Man

22:50

@DavidCarlisle I'm waiting for the sx blog post explaining how your usage of google translate is causing the decline of perl

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