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@JosephWright -- as soon as you know for sure, please let me know. i'm trying to put the final touches on the calendar for the upcoming tugboat issue, and this is certainly relevant.

egreg

@CarLaTeX He just went to the next door “British Pizzeria”.

CarLaTeX

@egreg British pizzeria: ho i brividi :)

barbara beeton

12:36 PM

@UlrikeFischer -- i just spotted a dreadful hyphenation in the economist: "Kun-stakademie". (tex does it the same.) even if it isn't an english word, it deserves a place in the exception list. can you tell me, please, what is the correct german hyphenation? (the best i can come up with is "Kunst-akad-e-mie", but that's still with an english bias.)

samcarter

@barbarabeeton Kunst|aka|de|mie (according to duden duden.de/rechtschreibung/Kunstakademie)

Ulrike Fischer

@barbarabeeton Kunst-aka-de-mie.

barbara beeton

@samcarter, @UlrikeFischer -- thank you both!

Paulo Cereda

1:00 PM

hmmm kuchen

David Carlisle

@barbarabeeton why that word deserving an exception? Is it more common than any other non-english name for a non-english institution?

@CarLaTeX it takes years of training to type fish and chips pizza into the browser search box

CarLaTeX

@DavidCarlisle LOL

barbara beeton

@DavidCarlisle -- i add exceptions when i find a word with a really egregious hyphenation in tugboat or an ams publication, or such a word in some other publication that might be used in a publication prepared with tex. also, contributed examples. since tex hyphenates this "Kun-stakademie", that is pretty much over the top, and actually led me to wonder if the economist might be using tex hyphenation.

David Carlisle

1:19 PM

@barbarabeeton it's your file but it seems odd to me, especially for what is (I assume) essentially a foreign name, I'd expect to have to add explicit \- for it to hyphenate in English, otherwise you'd have to list every place ever mentioned in the publication.

barbara beeton

@DavidCarlisle -- the exception list is in two parts -- "real" english words (and now includes quite a few chemical names, contributed by the authors who have had to deal with them) and non-english words and proper nouns, including place names (quite a few of them in england). the second group is meant to be a guide for adding tailored \hyphenation lists in preambles of tex files; although if a useful pattern can be derived by considering them that's not unreasonable.

David Carlisle

2:27 PM

@CarLaTeX oi! don't blame me: it's not my fault

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CarLaTeX

@DavidCarlisle I know, the fault is of the verbatim environment , not of the ifthen package :):):)

David Carlisle

3:37 PM

@CarLaTeX ifthenelse is rubbish anyway and if you didn't use it the problem would not appear, of has someone answered along those lines yet? I should look...

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@CarLaTeX oh yes, regrettably you should accept @egreg's answer.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Er, who wrote the current version ;)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright don't get me started. The only important part of the ifthen documentation is line 310 of ifthen.dtx

Joseph Wright

3:52 PM

@DavidCarlisle :)

@DavidCarlisle 'Use expl3' ;)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright or more realistically at the time, use Alan Jeffrey's lambda.sty

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Sure

@DavidCarlisle Speaking of 'use expl3', I am making progress with l3color :)

CarLaTeX

@DavidCarlisle There's also @UlrikeFischer's one :)

David Carlisle

@CarLaTeX ah perhaps you are saved

CarLaTeX

@DavidCarlisle LOL

Ulrike Fischer

4:08 PM

@JosephWright I have some doubts that expl3 works better here. I tried a bit but didn't get something working. The code ran behind my \end{document} and only stopped when it hit some rubbish there.

Ulrike Fischer

4:50 PM

@barbarabeeton Hans commented in the context list about the stix2 fonts: "also, i noticed that there's more wrong with stix2 (i bet that that would not have happened if the font was made by the gyre folks as they have a bit more consistent workflow),"

Zarko

Hi, do anyone recent hour experienced, that a down voter is agile again? Or is something else cause, that i receive vote +8 and +12? I'm only curious.

egreg

@Zarko Probably a retracted downvote, so first you got 1 upvote and 1 downvote, then another upvote together with two points for the retracted downvote

Zarko

ok. thank you for explanation. after many years as member I'm still beginner in this voting mechanism :-(. than seems that this was lonely actions.

barbara beeton

5:33 PM

@UlrikeFischer -- i guess i should check the context list to see if there are any specifics. can you give a pointer, please?

Ulrike Fischer

5:45 PM

@barbarabeeton See mailman.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2017/089956.html

mickep

6:35 PM

@UlrikeFischer I wonder what those "wrongs" are. Also, I'm eager to try the new beta when it arrives. Err, I see that it is out now.

@UlrikeFischer @HaraldHanche-Olsen It now looks better, indeed. Harald should also be happy that the integral is convergent.

mickep

7:06 PM

@UlrikeFischer, @barbarabeeton The log now has a lots of lines like:

fonts           > otf prepare > using 15 units of italic correction from 𝜔 (U+1D714) for U+F0486
fonts           > otf prepare > using 40 units of italic correction from 𝐷 (U+1D437) for U+F041C
fonts           > otf prepare > using 35 units of italic correction from 𝑇 (U+1D447) for U+F042C
fonts           > otf prepare > using 35 units of italic correction from 𝑗 (U+1D457) for U+F043E

fonts           > otf prepare > forcing incremental step for ( (U+00028) substituted by U+F03AC

patching font   > fixing italic correction of U+F0138 at math size 3 by 3.000

(This is with \enabletrackers[otf.preparing] and \definefontfeature[mathextra][mathextra][fixitalics=true])

Ulrike Fischer

7:31 PM

@mickep Can you show the complete code? Then I can try without trying to remember how to setup math fonts in context ...

mickep

@UlrikeFischer It is from a very long document, but hold on, and I will give you some shorter version.

@UlrikeFischer Here is a start:

\enabletrackers[otf.preparing]
\definefontfeature[mathextra][mathextra][fixitalics=true]
\setupbodyfont[stixtwo]
\setupmathematics[integral=nolimits]
\startTEXpage[offset=3bp]
With slanted integral:
\startformula
\int_0^\pi \sin x\,dx=2.
\stopformula
\setupmathematics[stylealternative={upright}]
With upright integral:
\startformula
\int_0^\pi \sin x\,dx=2.
\stopformula
\stopTEXpage

Harald Hanche-Olsen

7:47 PM

@mickep Yes, that is much better, thank you.

@mickep For two “wrongs” in STIX Two Math, see tex.stackexchange.com/q/385715/1424 and tex.stackexchange.com/q/385089/1424

(I really should pull myself together and report those …)

mickep

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Oh, I see. I wonder if ConTeXt is affected by the frac bug (if I understand it ConTeXt might use a different frac). But the double bars do look bad, indeed. Thanks for pointing to these bugs. (In the work I'm writing now, I will not need text fractions like 1/2 nor double bars, but it is good to know!)

Joseph Wright

8:03 PM

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Q: What does IRA stand for?

From the comments at: https://money.stackexchange.com/a/85769/4522 One poster called an IRA an: Individual Retirement Account Another stated it was an: Individual Retirement Arrangement What does the IRA abbreviation actually stand for?

Being from the UK and of a certain age, I know exactly what I think this means!

Harald Hanche-Olsen

@JosephWright Yes; it's the curse of the TLA – see also Birthday Paradox.

Three-letter acronym

A three-letter acronym (TLA), or three-letter abbreviation, is an abbreviation, specifically an acronym, alphabetism, or initialism, consisting of three letters. These are usually the initial letters of the words of the phrase abbreviated, and are written in capital letters (upper case); three-letter abbreviations such as etc. and Mrs. are not three-letter acronyms, but "TLA" itself is a TLA (an example of a self-referencing definition). Most three-letter abbreviations are initialisms: all the letters are pronounced as the names of letters, as in APA AY-pee-AY. Some are acronyms pronounced as...

David Carlisle

8:42 PM

@JosephWright me too

CarLaTeX

8:59 PM

@JosephWright Being of a certain age is enough, I know it too

David Carlisle

@CarLaTeX "of a certain age" being code for "much younger than egreg" I assume?

CarLaTeX

@DavidCarlisle of course :)

TeXnician

@DavidCarlisle Without a lower bound? Well, British toddlers have to be very strange! Maybe it's the food...

Joseph Wright

9:18 PM

@DavidCarlisle :)

Christian Hupfer

@TeXnician Baked beans and sausages and fish 'n' chips all the while takes its toll ;-)

David Carlisle

9:29 PM

@ChristianHupfer don't forget deep fried Mars Bars, an import from our Northern neighbours.

@ChristianHupfer remove the baked beans and fish and chips, and you have the German diet:-)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Nom nom

Christian Hupfer

@DavidCarlisle s/sausages/bacon ;-)

egreg

10:13 PM

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I know, that's becoming annoying. ;-)

Shalvenay

hey there folks

Shalvenay

11:24 PM

so...is there an alternative to the CSV-Sorter for use with the csvsimple package, or is there a better way to get a spreadsheet-exported CSV into a LaTeX table?

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