TeX, LaTeX and Friends

8:57 AM

Hi, my TeXStudio (several versions) crashes quite often on several Linux systems with TL2017 since a while. I am still investigating what the reason could be. I assume, that the PDF file is still changing while texstudio tries to read it. If this is correct, it should be an FAQ, but I could not find anything about that problem.

I also tried to compile with latexmk, and create the pdf in an "out" folder and then copy it to the folder where texstudio reads. bpaste.net/show/0e3bc6aaa0b8

but that did not help either. I think my problem is still too vague to prepare a SX Question

egreg

9:21 AM

@JonasStein On my Mac OS X machines it doesn't even crash. In the sense that after a few seconds it has been launched, the rainbow wheel starts spinning. I asked at the SourceForge site, but got no feedback. In a few days I'll trash it and say farewell.

Paulo Cereda

9:53 AM

@AlanMunn Deeply sorry, I had mass yesterday. :) And I really didn't get the reference, it's always good to learn new things every day. :)

Jonas Stein

@egreg, so it freezes on max os x?

egreg

@JonasStein On my machine it does.

egreg

10:20 AM

People on Math.SE are strange: I posted an answer; some minutes later another one appears, duplicating just one part of my answer; the poster realizes it and removes his answer, adding the comment that I already covered the topic. No upvote.

Jonas Stein

@egreg do you have already found an alternative editor?

Paulo Cereda

Is this true?

egreg

@JonasStein Well, I have TeXStudio and Texmaker just in case somebody’s question is about them. I never use them (nor TeXShop). Sometimes TeXworks, because it's multiplatfrom and simple, so good for my course.

Jonas Stein

@PauloCereda ask on sceptics...

interesting question...

Paulo Cereda

@JonasStein Not much for the sword, the top hat sells it. :)

egreg

10:25 AM

@PauloCereda jyu.fi/en/academic-events/degrees-ceremony/instruct/…

Jonas Stein

@egreg did you have a look at the texstudio source yet? It is very chaotic.

egreg

@PauloCereda From €545 up.

Jonas Stein

Bundles old libraries, and so on.

egreg

@JonasStein No wonder it freezes

Jonas Stein

we had to patch a lot to get a package for Gentoo Linux. Still get warnings while compiling. I wonder, if upstream disabled the compiler warnings.

Paulo Cereda

10:26 AM

@egreg oooooh

egreg

@PauloCereda It seems that the sword is cheaper than the hat!

Paulo Cereda

@egreg oh no

egreg

@PauloCereda I propose this one ^^^^^

Jonas Stein

the ubuntu family did not update Texstudio since 2.10.8

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Too regional. :) I had to move to the northeast region. :)

Jonas Stein

10:33 AM

perhaps because of the instability?

egreg

@PauloCereda And this is the sword

vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/kingdomhearts/images/c/cd/…

Jonas Stein

I remember, that we had broken packages in gentoo, because texstudio changed the source after releasing without changing the version number

Paulo Cereda

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@AlanMunn ^^

David Carlisle

11:44 AM

@egreg probably he'd noticed that you already have too many votes here and was trying to redress the balance.

egreg

@DavidCarlisle No, 200K snob

David Carlisle

@egreg such a small number: ignore him and move on!

Jonas Stein

11:57 AM

@egreg Perhaps it helps to deactivate the reload tex.stackexchange.com/questions/383510/…

egreg

@JonasStein I open it with no active file.

@JonasStein But trying to launch it with a file is the same.

Jonas Stein

@egreg have you deleted your config (backup first)? I had a broken config once which created strange problems

egreg

@JonasStein Removed completely ~/.config/texstudio several times (no need to keep a backup).

Jonas Stein

Can I sync texstudio with an external PDF viewer and disable the internal viewer?

Ulrike Fischer

@egreg Where is the bug report you made? I couldn't find one that looks like one of yours.

egreg

12:07 PM

@UlrikeFischer sourceforge.net/p/texstudio/bugs/1863

Ulrike Fischer

@egreg Ah. You commented a closed ticket. Perhaps that's why you didn't a feedback. I'm not sure quite sure if one should recommend texstudio -- it seems to get a bit overloaded -- but until now I always had the impression that they react quite reliable to bug reports and feature requests.

egreg

@UlrikeFischer A ticket closed for “no feedback” can be reopened when some feedback arrives.

Ulrike Fischer

@egreg Yes. But perhaps they missed the feedback.

egreg

@UlrikeFischer I think the system notifies about the new post.

CarLaTeX

@AlanMunn People at the restaurant where I'm eating now talking about how to make a real pesto ligure :):):)

@AlanMunn almost arguing :):):)

Paulo Cereda

12:27 PM

@CarLaTeX 1. get pasta 2. add ketchup 3. watch the world burn

Ulrike Fischer

@egreg I don't trust systems ;-)

Jonas Stein

@UlrikeFischer Yes, it focusses rather on features then stability. I recommended Texstudio till now. But I am unsure now. There are no outstanding alternatives on Linux either.

@greg Ulrike is right. You should either reopen the ticket, or open a new one and link to the old.

CarLaTeX

@PauloCereda ketchup over the pasta is almost worse than pineapple pizza :):):)

Jonas Stein

Most likely it got no attention. I am not sure, if any of the devs uses OSX.

Paulo Cereda

@CarLaTeX 1. get pasta 2. add ketchup 3. add pineapple 4. cut it with fork 5. wait for angry mobs

Jonas Stein

12:35 PM

I think they are 90% on MS Windows

Paulo Cereda

@JonasStein If I ever finish my thesis (which, according to this community folklore, I won't), I have plans for a TeX editor. :)

Jonas Stein

@PauloCereda let me guess, it will use ink?

Paulo Cereda

@JonasStein I don't get it, sorry.

Jonas Stein

I promised, that I will use a pen and ink in my next life instead a computer.

CarLaTeX

@PauloCereda Will you call it QuackTeX?

egreg

12:39 PM

@JonasStein I won't do it. I don't care about buggy software.

Paulo Cereda

@CarLaTeX No, ArTeXmis

Jonas Stein

I compile with latexmk (a lualatex document to pdf) and get the warning

lualatex: (Pdf)LaTeX failed to generate the expected log file

Latexmk: Did not finish processing file

(Pdf)LaTeX failed to generate the expected log file 'temp/text.log'

Does this make sense? Does lualatex rely on pdflatex?

@PauloCereda why not join TeXstudio and help to tidy it up? It is the most promising project, I think.

Ulrike Fischer

@JonasStein No, but perhaps you called latexmk with pdflatex, or the message is simply wrong.

Paulo Cereda

@JonasStein I would like to try something new. :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda you could try thesis writing

CarLaTeX

12:48 PM

@PauloCereda I would have expected a more weird name from you :)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle you are mean

@CarLaTeX oi

David Carlisle

Jun 29 at 16:15, by Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle you are not mean :)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle :)

CarLaTeX

@DavidCarlisle It seems to me that you and @PauloCereda are a bit repetitive... :):):)

Paulo Cereda

@CarLaTeX well I never

CarLaTeX

12:58 PM

@PauloCereda Nooo, please do it again!

@PauloCereda How can we do without!

Jonas Stein

@UlrikeFischer this is my .latexmk bpaste.net/show/0e3bc6aaa0b8 and I call it with latexmk -gg test.tex

Paulo Cereda

@CarLaTeX en.wiktionary.org/wiki/well,_I_never :)

Jonas Stein

Perhaps $lualatex was not sufficient

and I need something like $use_lua=1;

CarLaTeX

@PauloCereda Ops, sorry for my English!

Jonas Stein

oh there is $pdf_mode=4 already in my .latexmk this should stand for lualatex-> pdf

Paulo Cereda

1:08 PM

@CarLaTeX no worries. :)

Jonas Stein

even latexmk -lualatex -gg -interaction=batchmode test.tex
ends with lualatex: (Pdf)LaTeX failed to generate the expected log file

Jonas Stein

1:44 PM

Prepared now a question for that problem. Is there anything I should add to tex.stackexchange.com/questions/383533/… as information?

Paulo Cereda

2:23 PM

Technology is amazing: a dinosaur taco holder.

SBM

Hello

Paulo Cereda

@SBM Aloha!

SBM

@PauloCereda Is that some kind of food?

Paulo Cereda

@SBM We ducks don't eat spicy food, it makes me wackier!

SBM

@PauloCereda Oh, we have like a big scale from not spicy at all to a high level of spiciness

I'd be a little biased towards non spicy though about Midway

Paulo Cereda

2:38 PM

@SBM :)

CarLaTeX

@PauloCereda It could be good also for crepes

Paulo Cereda

@CarLaTeX ooh

SBM

@CarLaTeX crepes?

CarLaTeX

2:56 PM

@SBM goo.gl/images/t2pL68

egreg

@CarLaTeX Palačinka!

Alan Munn

3:13 PM

@CarLaTeX :D I'm not surprised at all!

CarLaTeX

4:45 PM

@egreg What language is that?

@AlanMunn Food is a very serious thing for Italian people :):):)

Alan Munn

4:57 PM

@CarLaTeX We've noticed. :)

CarLaTeX

@AlanMunn 😆😆😆😆

Alan Munn

@CarLaTeX @egreg probably intends it to be Czech, but it could be any of a few languages in that general vicinity.

CarLaTeX

@AlanMunn Oooh

egreg

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Palačinka

Palačinka je jed, pripravljena iz mleka, jajc, moke in soli. Lahko pa so osnovni masi dodani sladkor, zelišča, začimbe ... Masa se speče na ponvi z oljem. Pečeno palačinko namažemo z različnimi nadevi. Najpogosteje se med sladkimi nadevi uporabljajo marmelada, čokolada, orehov nadev, skuta ... Palačinke pa ni nujno, da se jedo kot slaščica in so lahko nadevane tudi z mesnimi, zelenjavnimi in drugimi nadevi. Beseda palačinka izhaja iz romunščine in ima svoj koren v latinski besedi placenta, ki pomeni pecivo. V slovenščino smo besedo, podobno kot češčina in hrvaščina, prevzeli preko madžarščine,...

@CarLaTeX Choose among Czech, Croatian or Slovenian.

CarLaTeX

5:12 PM

@egreg Are you also polyglot? :):):)

egreg

@CarLaTeX My tours in Slovenia and Croatia…

CarLaTeX

@egreg Oooh

egreg

5:30 PM

@CarLaTeX Most people in shops, bars and restaurants speak Italian. ;-)

CarLaTeX

@egreg Oooh I've never visited those countries...

Paulo Cereda

@samcarter: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/346695/…

samcarter

@PauloCereda Thank you :) But only upvotes will bring new duck :)

CarLaTeX

5:55 PM

@samcarter <3 <3 <3

Paulo Cereda

@samcarter o.O

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Alan Munn

@PauloCereda Not surprising since almost everyone uses their phone. I haven't used my iPod in years.

Paulo Cereda

6:11 PM

@AlanMunn Indeed, but I simply love my iPod shuffle. I really like to jog with it.

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda Yes, it's true that they are much smaller and so useful in that context.

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn Too bad that an iPod shuffle holds only 2GB. And I am glad that I managed to get rid of iTunes a long time ago.

Paulo Cereda

7:07 PM

@ChristianHupfer hi!

Christian Hupfer

7:43 PM

@PauloCereda Sorry, busy answering dupes, like many do ;-)

samcarter

@PauloCereda A Brazil duck for you:
    \begin{tikzpicture}[y=0.80pt, x=0.80pt, yscale=-1.000000, xscale=1.000000, inner sep=0pt, outer sep=0pt]
    	\duck{Gold}
    	\addshirt{NavyBlue}
    	\addhair{SeaGreen}
    \end{tikzpicture}

Paulo Cereda

@samcarter ooh

Alan Munn

Does anyone know if there's a way to dynamically set TOC section etc. num width in memoir?

egreg

@CarLaTeX In about two and a half hours I can be in Slovenia. Less than one hour more and I can be in Fiume or Abbazia.

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer oh no

CarLaTeX

8:00 PM

@egreg Oooh, from Milan I think you have to add at least a couple of hours...

@samcarter baby ducks :):):)

egreg

@CarLaTeX You can go to Switzerland in less time. It's in the plans for next month: Gran San Bernardo. It would be less than 1000 km from my holiday place (in two days, of course).

CarLaTeX

@egreg Yes, I visited Switzerland many times, but I have never gone to Gran San Bernardo :):):)

Alan Munn

8:27 PM

If I want to save the current value of a length, then change its value, then restore to the saved value, can I just use \setlength{\saved}{\current} ... \setlength{\current}{new-value} ... \setlength{\current}{\saved}? This doesn't seem to work.

Christian Hupfer

8:39 PM

@AlanMunn Why not using a group wrapped around the change of your length?

\documentclass{article}

\newlength{\foo}
\newlength{\foosave}

\begin{document}

\setlength{\foo}{1in}

foo is \the\foo

\setlength{\foosave}{\foo}
\setlength{\foo}{2in}

foosave is \the\foosave\ and foo is \the\foo

\setlength{\foo}{\foosave}

Now foo is \the\foo

\end{document}

@AlanMunn: Works as expected

Alan Munn

@ChristianHupfer Yes, my problem was that I was doing it in the TOC. But I can write \begingroup and \endgroup to the TOC which solves the problem without having to save anything.

Alan Munn

10:02 PM

@JosephWright I just got email from a chemistry student finishing his PhD and using my thesis class. He's working on promoting LaTeX in his research group too.

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn Cool

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