anybody there?

@manetsus The truth!

@manetsus no

@DavidCarlisle -- thanks for the reference. yes, that is the intended meaning. but since google didn't bring that up as a possibility when i searched on "wide font", even though that is the intention, i believe it should be changed because if anyone else tries the same thing i did to figure out what it means, they won't be enlightened. i do like tugboat articles to be easily understood, modulo the level of the context. (and this one is essentially a report, not advanced code.)

@DavidCarlisle haha!

@DavidCarlisle I want to keep the comment lines in a side. It covering the next whole line. How to do that?

@DavidCarlisle I am writing comment with \Comment{...}

oh, paranthesis!

@DavidCarlisle Got it, \Comment{\parbox[t]{.5\linewidth}}{...} worked fine. Thanks and sorry for disturbing you

Currently I have the tikz picture like this. I want to place a vertical second bracket on it and some arrow would spread like the picture below:

How to place the vertical second bracket opening?

@manetsus Ask on TeX.SE and provide MWE of what you already have.

I think you should be able to use something like this:

        \draw [decoration={brace,amplitude=0.5em},decorate,ultra thick,black]
        let \p1=(xen-xheng-topbrace), \p2=(xen-xheng-bottombrace) in
        ({max(\x1,\x2)+2em}, {\y1+0.8em}) -- node[right=0.6em] {\parbox{5em}{may not have all at once}} ({max(\x1,\x2)+2em}, {\y2});

Except your coordinates will be different.

@wilx Thanks for your suggestion. how to define x1 , x2 etc to use like \x1, \x2 etc?

@manetsus TBH, I am not sure. I have just cargo-culted this together from other pieces. :)

I think the let \p1 also binds \x1 and \y1.

Your \p1 would north-west of the A box and your \p2 would be north-east of the G box.

Quack! :)

@PauloCereda dinner!

@DavidCarlisle oh no!

@PauloCereda I just checked. The duck counter did not increase yet. Time for you to write an answer ;-)

@Johannes_B ooh :)

@Johannes_B I have to prepare my talk. :)

@PauloCereda Ok, good excuse. Maybe i write an answer containing a duck. :-)

@Johannes_B yay!

@PauloCereda I thought you had a thesis to write

@egreg I have. :)

@DavidCarlisle Does graphicx now support multiple dots in filenames?

@Johannes_B grffile

@JosephWright See comments to tex.stackexchange.com/questions/333334/…

@Johannes_B not now it did from the start (see my answer in the question you linked to) but also for today's question, it isn't clear whether the actual file is called fig.1 but is say a postscript file really, or is called fig.1.eps and graphicx doesn't try to add an extension. the answers are different in each case.

@DavidCarlisle Since removing the dot from the file name worked, i guessed that grffile would help here.

@Johannes_B sure you could use grffile but that only changes the syntax, not add functionality

@DavidCarlisle True.

@DavidCarlisle Did you look at Frank's edits to the L3 news?

@JosephWright no was out all yesterday, should I?

@DavidCarlisle Well Frank ran out of 'steam' so it might be a good idea!

@DavidCarlisle Just the bits he added need looking at

@StefanKottwitz What have you decided re. your plans for next weekend?

@PauloCereda I did not increase the duck counter, but i did increase the ducks counter.

@Johannes_B ooh

@JosephWright oh you don't think a paragraph that just says else? is production-ready?

@JosephWright Flying to London on Friday, having a hotel in Oxford, return flight on Sunday

@DavidCarlisle :)

@StefanKottwitz Ah, OK

@JosephWright And you? :-)

@StefanKottwitz I'll drive from 'home' (my mum's) to Oxford Park-and-Ride in the morning and get the bus into the city, so normally aim to be on Broad Street for a coffee and a visit to Blackwells by about 9:30

I will drive too!

@JosephWright The bookshop?

@StefanKottwitz Yes

@StefanKottwitz By the way, i closed that one thread on goLaTeX. Feel free to reopen and delete my post.

@Johannes_B I deleted three bad posts and added an information, locked again.

@StefanKottwitz Already seen, thanks.

Somebody downvoted an answer of mine and now my rep number not ending with 0 :-(

@Johannes_B it's annoying to get pushed off a palindrome cycle, still all you have to do is get past rep cap in the same day and order is restored

@DavidCarlisle You do know how many upvotes i get on a normal day, right? That far far away from rep cap.

@DavidCarlisle I have the feeling that the second toc is just the section titles following each other without any content.

@Johannes_B just write one answer with the picture of a duck in it, rep cap will be guaranteed. (try to avoid any tex details, that tends to keep the votes down)

@Johannes_B ooh could be:-)

@DavidCarlisle I already posted an answer containing the word ducks today. :-)

@Johannes_B thesis sections with no text, we should get @PauloCereda to answer, he's an acknowledged expert in that area.

@DavidCarlisle :-D

@DavidCarlisle ^^^^

How to wrap text in table?

@manetsus fixed width columns wrap to the specified width p{4cm} for example

@DavidCarlisle but there arise one problem, how to specify centering then?

and how to specify centering vertically?

Do we have a generic answer that says \thispagestyle{empty} as dupe for tex.stackexchange.com/questions/306927/…

@manetsus there are thousands of examples on site:-) array package >{\centering\arraybackslash}p{..}

my table is all set, except vertical and horizontal spacing. How to do that?

@manetsus as I said, centering, as above and use m not p if you wish to change the vertical position (although I wouldn't)

@manetsus but for the numeric columns you only want centering in the headings and should use decimal alignment (siunitx S or dcolumn D) columns. so the numbers line up in sensible ways.

The moment you hit the edit button on Wikibooks and see you own <!-- comments all over the place ----->.

@DavidCarlisle vertical centering worked fine. But how to do horizontal? {\centering\arraybackslash}m{1.9cm} giving error, though I have imported package array

@manetsus What error?

@Johannes_B Undefined control sequence

@manetsus There should be a > before {\centering..

@TorbjørnT. Oh! my bad. Sorry. Thanks a lot. You people are awesome!

If anybody is interested, i can now review stuff on Wikibooks. Feel free to go nuts.

@manetsus but you should read the booktabs package doc and not centre the columns and not have all the vertical lines:-)

@JosephWright Could the mods please act on meta.tex.stackexchange.com/q/6876/5763?

@MartinSchröder I'll take a look

@DavidCarlisle why? Anyway, Thank you so much for the previous help :)

@manetsus Lots of typographic 'history' suggests well-designed tables don't use vertical rules and (mainly) don't use centred columns

@DavidCarlisle I see we've got a question that reminds us to ask Jonathan K something ...

Quack!

@PauloCereda Yo!

@JosephWright 'ello! I'm preparing the script for my video. :)

@DavidCarlisle Looking at the LuaTeX v1.0 issues for l3build, could I just zap

....\discretionary (penalty 50)
.....< \OT1/cmr/bx/n/14.4 -

anything of this form ^^^

@DavidCarlisle I don't think we have it come up any other way

@JosephWright yes I started but got distracted, I think you need to lose the (penalty50) and all the <, > or | followed by space appearing at start of a line need to go back to being . and then some of the luatex.tlg which were added for luatex0.95 display need to go. but what seemed harder is that luatex seemed to show more discretionaries at places where teh break wasn't taken than classic tex does.

@DavidCarlisle I'm thinking what I need to do is zap enough of the common cases that we can stand a few awkward ones: there seem to be a lot of the form I've shown

@DavidCarlisle I can probably add a section that uses \discretionary (penalty 50) as a marker for a 'skip more lines' approach

@DavidCarlisle Will look at it over the next day or so

@DavidCarlisle Meanwhile, I'm still trying to get agreement on lunch arrangements for next Saturday!

@JosephWright Yes that's probably more sensible approach:-)

@JosephWright oh you mean "why is bidi support so broken" question?

@DavidCarlisle OK :)

@DavidCarlisle Well, yes, though I'd phrase it as 'Any chance of the Omega model?' followed I suspect by running away!

@DavidCarlisle Probably not actually worth asking: we know that if LuaTeX/HarfBuzz gets sorted there is only going to be one outcome (see also Frank's text in L3 News)

 I appoint the Chair David Carlisle

ooh I am part of an important process

@JosephWright well one way of asking that would be to ask if there'd be any chance of him helping move the harfbuzz support to luatex...

@PauloCereda Did you see the announce mail?

@PauloCereda as a general rule we tend to favour democracy over royal appointment (not always clear that's a good choice)

@DavidCarlisle There is that, yes: one might argue that this is the best use of resource

@JosephWright Yes!

@DavidCarlisle ooh ducks are royalty?

@DavidCarlisle I suspect this will come up

@PauloCereda No, but swans are

@PauloCereda swans are, ducks are just imposters

@JosephWright bah

@DavidCarlisle bah

@JosephWright great minds think alike, or something

@DavidCarlisle bah :)

@DavidCarlisle :)

Surprisingly, I already have got a pull request on the uspace package.

Somebody wants me to round up SIX PER EM SPACE 0.1666666666666em 0.1666666666667em.

I actually thought about this when I was writing it and then I thought it would sum up to number greater than one an there would no longer be six in em.

Should I round it up or should I keep the tiny bit smaller value. :-)

\ifdim 0.1666666666666em = 0.1666666666667em
yes
\else
no
\fi

\bye

@PauloCereda @DavidCarlisle @JosephWright. my husband (who knows something about cricket but not about tex) just told me about en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_(cricket)

@wilx since the values are equal, it doesn't matter what you do, try ^^^

@UlrikeFischer Oh yes, obviously :)

@UlrikeFischer yes that is in regular use

@DavidCarlisle so you know cricket and tex ; -)

@wilx for that matter they are both equal to 0.16667em (at 10pt)

@DavidCarlisle So the precision is limited?

@wilx it's fixed point arithmetic not floating point (actually it's integer arithetic based on sp units)

@DavidCarlisle Ah, OK.

@wilx which is why I get nervous seeing people post scientific papers using tikz arithmetic in plotting functions, tex arithmetic designed to make the space between words look OK, not to produce numerically stable robust results.. (fp package or better expl3, do a better job but still not on a par with a real numerical library)

@DavidCarlisle Depends on what you think of as 'normal' for analysis: our standard would be Excel or perhaps Origin

@JosephWright yes but if you don't use fp package arithmetic even they would be much more accurate (I suppose I'm biased since I spend coffee breaks with people worrying about whether chips with avx2 instruction sets do fused multiplies and additions in the right order:-)

@DavidCarlisle Yes, sure: as you say, we have different perspectives (in my day job I use a technique where realistic accuracy is 4, so e.g. 1982 and 1978 are 'the same')

@JosephWright good plan: skip the winter of discontent entirely:-)

@DavidCarlisle :)

@DavidCarlisle So not working on the Brazilian model then.

@DavidCarlisle \fp_compare:nTF { 0.1666666666666 = 0.1666666666667 }{\message{equal}}{\message{unequal}}

@egreg and you are offering to use Bruno's tex-implemented-in-tex scheme to re-implement all of tex's line breaking calculations using that arithmetic model?

@DavidCarlisle 15 decimal digit precision is of course necessary for typesetting

@egreg you need to give your fancy graphics card and high resolution screen something to do, I agree.

@DavidCarlisle My screen is 16:9 format (16 meters wide) ;-)

@egreg Well for your stadium lectures that's certainly necessary.

@AlanMunn In the stadium it is 80m x 45m, the other one is in my office for better spotting hidden features in @DavidCarlisle's packages.

@egreg And you turn it around for the longtable bugs features.

hm

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