TeX, LaTeX and Friends - 2016-01-08 (page 2 of 2)

Alan Munn

15:00

% !TEX TS-program = lualatex

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{fontspec}
\setmainfont[Ligatures=TeX]{Minion Pro}
\begin{document}
``This uses TeX double quotes''.

`This uses TeX single quotes'.

“This uses typed double quotes”

‘This uses typed single quotes’
\end{document}

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle True: will think about it

Alan Munn

The above document works with XeLaTeX. Suggestions?

(Apart from "use XeLaTeX"...)

Alenanno

@AlanMunn Suggestions as in: "with pdflatex, you must..."?

Or...

Alan Munn

@Alenanno As in, is this a problem with LuaTeX or the font or some combination of the two, and can it be fixed. I use LuaTeX generally, and I love the Minion Pro font. So this is a very annoying situation.

Alenanno

@AlanMunn You bought it? I loved it too until I saw it wasn't free lol

David Carlisle

15:04

@AlanMunn there have been a lot of problems with minion pro and this years luaotfload update, I'll see if I can dig out a reference

barbara beeton

@JosephWright -- looking at these (having seen them too often), would it be reasonable to add a link to the list of "often referenced questions" for "often duplicated questions"? never mind, i've just added a link for one of these there under "tikz".

Alan Munn

@DavidCarlisle Thanks. So I'm not imagining that this is a new thing. Because it had been working fine before.

David Carlisle

etex package update announce went out, with link to Peter's Obituary:(

@AlanMunn I guess it is this: (the thread has info how to configure luaotfload to use the 2014 code)

github.com/lualatex/luaotfload/issues/309

Alenanno

Where is @ChristianHupfer when you need him!

Someone posted in German.

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Q: Schattierung gebogenes Rohr

möchte ein Rohrsystem bauen. Zwecks 3D-Illusion Rohre schattieren. Mein Versuch war, mit top, bottom, middle color zu arbeiten. Aber wie bei einem Bogen? Gibt es eine Lösung für Nicht-Mathematiker oder hat ein Mathematiker eine Berechnung für die Aussenschattierung eines gebogenen Rohres? Grüße H...

tikz-styles

Romain Picot

@Alenanno or @Johannes_B

David Carlisle

15:11

@Alenanno Vielleicht sollte ich antworten

Alenanno

I was about to link Texwelt.de to him and I discovered he cross-posted.

texwelt.de/wissen/fragen/15725/…

David Carlisle

@RomainPicot you see my German is as good as my French

leonardo cesar

@DavidCarlisle Hii!!
I need to externalize a pgfplottable, is it possible?

Romain Picot

@DavidCarlisle Really nice :-)

David Carlisle

@leonardocesar I assume so but I know nothing about pgf:-)

Paulo Cereda

15:14

@RomainPicot coin coin!

@DavidCarlisle Another chance to shine with picture mode? :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda Sorry I forgot to mention Portuguese

Romain Picot

@PauloCereda quack quack ! :)

Alan Munn

@DavidCarlisle Thanks, David. I'll update and if needed go back to the TL2014 version.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle :)

leonardo cesar

@DavidCarlisle thanks
fala portugues também?

Romain Picot

15:16

@PauloCereda I like our discussion which consist in "Coin Coin !" and "Quack Quack !" <3

Paulo Cereda

@RomainPicot We are pretty good! :)

Alenanno

@RomainPicot Why coin coin? Are you an arcade cabinet?

David Carlisle

@leonardocesar Μιλώ οποιαδήποτε γλώσσα que google translate ξέρει.

Romain Picot

@Alenanno Coin Coin = Quack Quack in French ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@leonardocesar David fala Google Translate. :)

Romain Picot

15:17

@PauloCereda of course !

leonardo cesar

kkkk

good!

Alenanno

@RomainPicot Another duck?

leonardo cesar

@DavidCarlisle i dont understand greek, LOL

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle I still wondering about how best to handle this (L3 and so here)

Paulo Cereda

@Alenanno I should flag this as offensive, you duck hater bastard. :)

<3

David Carlisle

15:19

@leonardocesar simple you cut out the line, drop it into google translate and get a perfect translation to your chosen language every time.

Alenanno

Paulo Cereda

@Alenanno LOLOLOLOL

Alenanno

Paulo Cereda

@Alenanno woooooo

Alenanno

Ok I'll stop now. :D

Paulo Cereda

15:20

@Alenanno woooooo

@Alenanno Oh no! <3

The more ducks, the quackier.

Romain Picot

@Alenanno I'm still hidden perhaps I'm a duck, a dog or a penguin as everybody in the internet ;-)

Alenanno

@PauloCereda I feel the silent evil spells coming from other participants of this chat. :D

Paulo Cereda

@Alenanno Mainly David.

@Alenanno: we are a bunch of wacky people, aren't we? :)

Alenanno

@PauloCereda quacky*

Or qwacky

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Alan Munn

15:33

@DavidCarlisle The update seems to have fixed the problem for me. Thanks!

Paulo Cereda

15:53

Great, now I need to study catamorphisms. And I just found out the brackets are called... wait for it... banana brackets!

@ChristianHupfer, @Johannes_B ^^ :)

\llparenthesis :)

Christian Hupfer

@Alenanno What's the matter?

Paulo Cereda

ring ring ring ring ring ring ring, banana bracket!

leonardo cesar

@PauloCereda precisava exportar uma tabela

feita em pgfplotstable

como se faz com figura tikz

é possível?

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda I will disarm you because you're attacking with a banana bracket

Paulo Cereda

@leonardocesar Eu não entendi muito bem (assim como David, eu não uso pgfplotstable). Mas como ela depende de TikZ, provavelmente você pode usar as mesmas configurações. Você tem algum exemplo para nós testarmos?

@ChristianHupfer <3

leonardo cesar

16:00

tenho sim, mas fiquei receoso de postar la no forum

hehe

Paulo Cereda

@leonardocesar Bom, é a única forma de podermos ajudá-lo. :) Colocar \usetikzlibrary{external}no seu código não resolve seu problema?

Se é que entendi direito.

leonardo cesar

então, tentei sim... mas não resolveu

vou postar lá então :D

Paulo Cereda

@leonardocesar Obrigado. Tente manter o exemplo completo e mínimo, isto é, com a quantidade necessária e suficiente de pacotes para que os outros possam reproduzir seu exemplo e poder trabalhar no código. :)

leonardo cesar

eu que agradeço :D

Alan Munn

16:20

@leonardocesar Do you just want to plot the same data that is in the table?

Alenanno

@ChristianHupfer A user wrote in German and kind of translated it. Check the link :P

barbara beeton

@Alenanno -- you be careful of that tugboat!

leonardo cesar

@AlanMunn I just wanna create a separated file from table

Alan Munn

@leonardocesar So you want to end up with a pdf file that contains just the table that the pgfplotstable code produced?

Paulo Cereda

@leonardocesar You could also use standalone to generate a PDF from your table and simply include it with \includegraphics.

leonardo cesar

16:26

@AlanMunn yes, like export a tikz image

@PauloCereda you are a genius

its done

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle: ^^ See?

:)

@leonardocesar Glad to hear it worked. :)

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@Alenanno: ^^ :)

leonardo cesar

very nice

Alenanno

@barbarabeeton Ahah indeed :D

Alan Munn

@leonardocesar Then I think that the standalone package is the only way. I don't think there's a way to externalize tables, just images.

Alenanno

@PauloCereda lol nice :D

Paulo Cereda

16:29

@AlanMunn We need to summon @percusse. :)

⦇ @percusse ⦈

@ChristianHupfer: ^^ I enclosed percusse in banana brackets. :)

leonardo cesar

@AlanMunn i think you are right!! thanks :D

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda I think he means for a duck, rather than any absolute measurement.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Probably. :)

Football Badgers : animated music video : MrWeebl

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@JosephWright, @DavidCarlisle: ^^

Alan Munn

@leonardocesar Actually, I'm not! It looks like you can externalize a table without any problem.

leonardo cesar

@AlanMunn may be, but standalone is the easyest way to do it.

Alan Munn

16:45

@leonardocesar I guess it depends how many you have. If only a few, then yes it's probably easiest. If you have a bunch it might be worth the effort, since you can automate the externalization faster.

leonardo cesar

@AlanMunn I had not thought of that, but in my case is just 3 tables :D

for while

:D :D :D :D :D

Alan Munn

@leonardocesar Proof of concept:

% !TEX TS-program = arara
% arara: pdflatex
% arara: pdflatex: { options: --jobname=ext-test-table1 }
% arara: pdflatex: { options: --jobname=ext-test-table2 }

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{tikz}
\pgfrealjobname{ext-test}
\begin{document}
In the following figure, we see a table:

\beginpgfgraphicnamed{ext-test-table1}
\begin{tabular}{ll}
foo & bar\\
bar & foo
\end{tabular}
\endpgfgraphicnamed

And here's another table:

\beginpgfgraphicnamed{ext-test-table2}
\begin{tabular}{ccc}
foo & bar & foobar\\

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn I wub you.

Alan Munn

(file name is ext-test.tex)

@PauloCereda awawa to the wescue.

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn Thankfully it's wabbit season! :)

leonardo cesar

16:58

@AlanMunn perfect!!! ill save this mwe

Paulo Cereda

All hail, sir is here!

@AlanMunn: Ecce Homo.

percusse

@leonardocesar Put your table inside a node :)

It will think that it is an image

Paulo Cereda

@percusse: sir, I imprisoned you inside a banana bracket. :)

percusse

@PauloCereda I think that means vim because I couldn't get out again

Paulo Cereda

@percusse Close. :)

@percusse It's a catamorphism trying to ensure syntactically correct output. :)

Alan Munn

17:02

@percusse Not needed. See above.

@percusse Externalization for idiots. :)

percusse

@AlanMunn :D Touchèéë (one of them)

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But compare with \tikz\node{\pgftabletypeset[....]{\mytable}}

Alan Munn

@percusse True. I bow to your superior TikZ fu.

percusse

@AlanMunn Oh please. I'm just lazy :)

Alenanno

Guys, what's the minimal configuration when loading Polyglossia. I mean, if I only load the package, is that changing anything? Is it enough?

@percusse Hey there!

Alan Munn

@Alenanno Well you need to choose a language with \setmainlanguage I think.

percusse

17:12

@Alenanno Ahoy!

Alenanno

@AlanMunn Great, thanks. I never had to use it before. :D

Alan Munn

@Alenanno Depending on what you're doing and the language you can still use babel with LuaTeX or XeTeX.

Alenanno

@AlanMunn You'll see soon enough, but I think this is working. :D

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Q: How to make a template like this?(xepersian)

How to make a template latex like this? (abstract in 1 column but entire document in 2 column. equation number start at 1 and go on.) I found template like this in web but with xepersian package all of them will be ruined. example: template Thanks.

two-column templates xepersian

yo'

17:52

@Alenanno One for @Johannes_B, he loves these :)

Alenanno

@yo' The language? Or the template?

yo'

@Alenanno the template ;)

Alenanno

@yo' Ah! Gotcha. :D

StrongBad

18:37

Is there a way to get the name of the current page style. I am thinking something like \thepagestyle so that \pagestyle{plain}\thepagestyle would give plain.

yo'

@StrongBad I doubt it. But you can modify \pagestyle to allow for it.

StrongBad

@yo' that is my plan. I need to look at the \pagestyle code (after fancyhdr) has been loaded.

I might ask on the main page and get a good patch instead of the hack that I will likely come up with.

yo'

\renewcommand\pagestyle[1]{%
  \@ifundefined{ps@#1}
    \undefinedpagestyle
    {%
      \def\thepagestyle{#1}%
      \@nameuse{ps@#1}%
  }%
}

and also, call \pagestyle{plain} just after this to initialize \thepagestyle (might be risky since some classes use bookings by default)

StrongBad

@yo' that code is a lot simpler than I imagined.

yo'

@StrongBad what have you imagined? The task you ask for is simple.

David Carlisle

18:42

@yo' line 3 I think was one of my first additions to latex:-)

yo'

Well, there's a problem with \thispagestyle I think

@DavidCarlisle \undefinedpagestyle?

StrongBad

@yo' I imagined that \pagestyle was going to be nasty

yo'

@StrongBad no. It's \ps@plain that's nasty ;-)

David Carlisle

@yo' yep, 2.09 just had \def\pagestyle#1{\csname ps@#1\endcsname} so a mistyped style wasn't an error just did nothing

@yo' it should of course be \LaTeXError{undefined page style}{\@ehc} but we couldn't afford that many tokens

StrongBad

@yo' It is always nice when you can hook into macros easily.

yo'

18:46

> \ps@plain=macro:
->\let \@mkboth \@gobbletwo \let \@oddhead \@empty \def \@oddfoot {\reset@font
\hfil \thepage \hfil }\let \@evenhead \@empty \let \@evenfoot \@oddfoot .

@StrongBad ^^ not the simplest code to understand or tweak... :)

leonardo cesar

latex is the best invention, after of the wheel =D

StrongBad

@yo' yeah, not going to try and patch that.

yo'

@StrongBad well, you're safe to use fancyhdr for everything, IMHO.

StrongBad

@yo' I do.

Alan Munn

@yo' or titleps ...

yo'

18:52

@AlanMunn I didn't know that one. I realized that for every feature in LaTeX, I know n packages that realize it: n−1 bad ones and the one I use :-)

Alan Munn

@yo' I've begun to use it more an more because I use titlesec almost all the time and the two are nicely integrated. The only downside is the minimalist documentation. But the interface is quite simple: \newpagestyle{foo}{\setfoot{left}{centre}{right}}

yo'

@AlanMunn ah documentation :)

@AlanMunn I'm happy about \titlesec's [RO,LE] :-)

Christian Hupfer

19:37

@PauloCereda Good. Keep them closed ;-)

Alan Munn

20:15

Fun game: guess the voting differential between two answers, one which cites online resources (Quora and Wikipedia) and another which cites actual books. :) #Ilovetheinternet

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn Link?

Alan Munn

@JosephWright Not here. And not important. :) I seem to be in a self-flagellating mode these days.

Christian Hupfer

20:58

Off-Topic/Opinion base, in my point of view:

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Q: Table on top or bottom

I am currently discussing with a colleague whether to put a table on top or bottom in proper documents (e.g., research paper). I once learnt to put figures on top and tables on bottom. I actually prefer this placement as the caption of a figure is on top and then it integrates much better with th...

tables floats positioning

Alan Munn

21:19

@ChristianHupfer I guess it's not substantially different from the linked question about captions, for which we got a couple of reasonable answers. My inclination would be to leave it. Also the float mechanism itself has some preferences.

Christian Hupfer

21:52

@AlanMunn I have not voted (yet)

Alan Munn

@ChristianHupfer Yes. I'm kind of on the fence. It's a new user, and (at least for us) so instant closing isn't the best welcome.

Alenanno

22:06

@AlanMunn Wikipedia, if it's sourced, it's nothing less than books eh. Sources matter more, in my opinion at least. :P

Alan Munn

22:19

@Alenanno Sure some yes, some no. It was not really a serious complaint.

Alenanno

@AlanMunn This is very serious! :P

Alan Munn

22:34

@JosephWright Do you know how I can stop TeXworks from trumping TeXShop for opening all TeX related files? I'd prefer not to have to find every single file extension that TeXShop should open and do GetInfo etc. on it. I've rebuilt the launchctl database but to no avail.

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn 'Fraid not

@AlanMunn I avoid the issue by only having one TeX editor installed

Alan Munn

@JosephWright Well I could do that, but then I can't help out those cross-platform folk.

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn Occasionally I have the same issue in reverse (when I download TeXshop to test something and it messes about with not only the loading but more importantly the icons for files)

Alan Munn

@JosephWright Yes, I still don't quite understand what the logic is of the reassociation.

egreg

Anybody knows what's wrong with this?

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A: Internal Direct Product of subgroups

Using code from http://tex.stackexchange.com/a/52673/4427, here are two alternatives. \documentclass{article} \makeatletter \def\moverlay{\mathpalette\mov@rlay} \def\mov@rlay#1#2{\leavevmode\vtop{% \baselineskip\z@skip \lineskiplimit-\maxdimen \ialign{\hfil$\m@th#1##$\hfil\cr#2\crcr}}} \n...

Alenanno

22:45

@AlanMunn How many editors do you have installed?

Alan Munn

@Alenanno Specific to TeX? TeXShop, TeXStudio, TeXWorks, TeXtmate. But I also have more generic editors like Aquamacs Sublime Text and TextWrangler. I draw the line at Vim. @PauloCereda :)

Alenanno

@AlanMunn I used to have Textmate, but it started to feel "old". Although I miss the fact that it gave very informing errors in the console, and I could stop the compilation easily. On ST3, not so much, but I like the editor. :D

Alan Munn

@Alenanno I'm very happy with TeXShop. I find that I spend more time thinking than writing, so I'm not so concerned about tweaking my editor. I have a few macros that I use often for gb4e markup but other than that, not much.

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn Mac has vim installed anyway

Alan Munn

@JosephWright I prefer not to know. :)

Alenanno

22:59

@JosephWright Uh... what do you mean?

Alan Munn

@Alenanno It's one of the many editors available in the /usr/bin.

@Alenanno Among the ones I know: vi, vim, pico, nano, emacs. There may be more.

Alenanno

@AlanMunn I've used pico before, but can't remember for what ehhe

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