TeX, LaTeX and Friends - 2011-10-30

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5:55 AM

@PauloCereda I'm not yet using Lion. I'm pretty conservative in adopting new versions of the OS in general, and there seemed to be various incompatibilities with older software on Lion, so I haven't bothered to get it yet.

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9:07 AM

@AlanMunn Same here: I'm waiting until I have enough free time to do a proper job (probably over Christmas). I don't really have too much software to worry about - as long as Parallels works I'm okay

@JosephWright Ah I see. Snow Leopard is running flawlessly, I don't feel the need to upgrade it.

@PauloCereda I'm probably due a clean install, so will make the shift at some stage. But I don't see anything that I really want/need.

@JosephWright Same here. :) A clean install is the way to go, I did it with 10.6 and it's very straightforward. TBH I'm not even sure if my Mac supports Lion, so I'll probably wait a few more.

9:23 AM

@PauloCereda For 10.7 it's made slightly more awkward as you have to extract and burn your own DVD. I've done that part from the AppStore bundle, but have not had a go at the installation.

@JosephWright Really? So it requires a double layered DVD, doesn't it?

@PauloCereda I don't think so. The DVD image is about 4 Gb

(from memory - I did this a while ago)

See lifehacker.com/5823096/…

@JosephWright I have no idea. :) If I'm not mistaken, Snow Leopard was about 6 Gb, I guess.

Aaaah!

@PauloCereda The .dmg claims to be 3.74 Gb, according to Finder

@JosephWright Ah thanks. :)

9:40 AM

What would be a good TeX-related Halloween costume?

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1:46 PM

@PauloCereda The geek LaTeX lion?

3 upvotes to go for my second daily rep cap... Can anybody ask a luatex question? That's the only topic I know something about :-)

@PauloCereda Tape yourself to your date and go as a bad kern.

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@AlanMunn Or a properly applied kerning? :)

yeah! Got my second day of reputation cap! Thanks!

2:02 PM

@Patrick If you upvote some of mine, we'll make 100 together. :) Just kidding, don't feel obliged.

@AlanMunn Wouldn't that be a \hskip 0pt ?

@Patrick It could even be \relax

@egreg With every morning coffee I have I do the "upvote 10 egreg answers" exercise

@AlanMunn How could Paulo \relax when taped to his date?

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2:48 PM

@egreg yay lion!

@AlanMunn yay, epic keming. :P

2:59 PM

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3:41 PM

@PauloCereda The next swag package must have the lion!

@egreg Indeed! :)

Martin Scharrer

3:58 PM

Oh, how I hate it when academics put there private stuff on their University webpage, so that this stuff is gone when they leave. See tex.stackexchange.com/q/33129/2975 which talks about a non-CTAN package python which used to be at imada.sdu.dk/~ehmsen.

4:09 PM

@MartinScharrer Indeed. Though you can find copies with Google, such as this one on BitBucket: bitbucket.org/pmav99/python.sty/src/f89c70d841c9/python.sty

Martin Scharrer

@TorbjørnT Ok, at least there is a copy!

Stefan Kottwitz

4:40 PM

@Patrick You reached it in the meantime. Perhaps also because I upvoted your "LuaTeX is the new Mac Gyver" ;-)

5:10 PM

@StefanKottwitz Thanks! 148 more days to go (if I keep up at this pace, I will get the legendary badge in about 23 years)

Any native french speaking person here?

I got 999 rep this month :)

@Raphink got 777, @eykanal 222, @Chang 111

Stefan Kottwitz

@Patrick and you made 241 votes this month for fellow users, that's great! So you've given a good reputation amount for other good content

6:14 PM

@Stefan even after reading the various meta discussions on the epic and legendary badges, I'm still unclear as to which of the numbers reported in your reputation summary is the relevant one for earning the badge:
rep cap was reached via rep from upvotes *only* on x days
earned at least 200 reputation on y days

Is it the x value or the y value that matters? (Or some other unseen value?)

Stefan Kottwitz

Badges are intended to be a bit mysterious ;-)

I think it's y

I got it, with x=39 and y=64

I don't dare to go for legendary. Rep is a gift by fellow users, sometimes you get, sometimes not.

When it happened, that I tried to get a badge, it usually was Revival or Necromancer: choosing an old still unanswered question for answering it, which is a good purpose.

6:37 PM

Someday I'll evolve to answerer. Now, I'm a humble spammer... er I mean, voter. :)

Stefan Kottwitz

@PauloCereda I noticed that, great! That's pushing quality and supports community-moderating as more user get access to more mod tools

@StefanKottwitz Thanks! :)

BTW, do we have a plan for posting blog entries during our birthday week? I'm working on something, we could plan when publishing it.

Stefan Kottwitz

no plan yet

Ah OK. :)

6:56 PM

@StefanKottwitz That's what I thought too. At my current rate, 3 years for Epic, 10 for Legendary. Of course in 10 yrs there may be an "Old Geezer" badge.

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@AlanMunn If it makes you feel better, I have currently zero rep cap. That makes uhm.. uhm... around 3.452 x 10^17 yrs. :P

Stefan Kottwitz

These minutes I'm preparing the paper for the TUG 2011 conference proceedings. Does anybody have interest and time to read 2 pages? (the 3rd one is that feature table, extended.) I would be happy to get corrections.

@StefanKottwitz I'm available, but unfortunately mein Englisch ist keinem gut (that's one of the only two phrases I know in German - the other one is "Ich trinke Wasser"). :)

Stefan Kottwitz

7:12 PM

I understand :-) Well it's just the presentation in other words, so I guess mostly English matters :-D

:)

@StefanKottwitz Sure, you can send it to me.

Stefan Kottwitz

@AlanMunn Great, thanks, I sent it to you!

@StefanKottwitz That's odd. No sign of it yet.

Stefan Kottwitz

@AlanMunn @gmail?

7:30 PM

@StefanKottwitz Try amunn at msu.edu. My gmail account I prefer to keep (relatively) private. As a mod you probably can see it, in which case you left out a character, I would guess.

@AlanMunn Let's not forget Alan's Orkut account too. ;-)

Stefan Kottwitz

Ok, I sent it there! This time i omitted th TUGboat style file (tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/tugboat.zip)

Palindrome-related news: Bruno's rep is a palindrome in base 3, Patrick in base 20, NN in base 17, Andrey in base 19, and Alan in base 31.

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@PauloCereda Another Paulo comment that requires Google to understand. :-)

@AlanMunn LOL

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I failed the Turing test. Twice.

Speaking of tests:

Oct 7 at 22:37, by Alan Munn

News flash: internet dog passes Turing Test.

We could select great chat quotes, make a video and post in the blog.

8:07 PM

@JosephWright This question should interest you

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A: mathpazo + siunitx: π turns into ß

The following rectifies your problem: \pi without siunitx or mathpazo is defined as \mathchar"119; \pi under only siunitx remains the same (\mathchar"119); \pi under only mathpazo is defined as \mathchar"7119. Since siunitx does not touch the definition of \pi and the load order does not corr...

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Martin Scharrer

8:31 PM

@PauloCereda Did you saw that episode of Futurama where Bender switched bodies and got told to proof that he is a robot? "Ah, the inverse Turing test". :-)

8:43 PM

@MartinScharrer :P

@StefanKottwitz New version sent back.

Yay!

Stefan Kottwitz

8:55 PM

@AlanMunn Thanks! Especially for your advice regarding the present perfect.

@StefanKottwitz Hey, I'm a linguist. I've gotta be useful for something :-). You're welcome.

@Patrick I'm native French :-)

(that might come as a late answer though ;-))

I'm an expert on failing in the present perfect (amongst other failures).

@Raphink Can you tell me what "zones de couleur" could be? It's in a TeX text (from MPG in cahiers GUTenberg, a text about lua attributes and color).

it literally means "color zones"

9:10 PM

"Il reste nécessaire de recourir à des bidules et à des zones de couleur, car c’est comme ça que fonctionne le format de sortie ; cependant le passage à ces objets est retardé le plus possible au profit des attributs qui se fondent plus naturellement dans le mode de fonctionnement de TEX."

out of context, it's hard to tell more than that

hmmm

it must have something to do with whatsits

some nodes that are inserted in a nodelist

the fact that the sentence uses "bidules" ("stuff") just before "zones de couleur" tends to make me believe that it's not meant to mean anything really precise ;-)

it says

I'd translate bidule with "whatsit"

"It is still necessary to make use of stuff/whatsit and color(ed) zones, since this is how the output format works; however, switching to these objects is discouraged (delayed) as much as possible and attributes that integrate better into TeX's way of working are preferred."

9:15 PM

OK, thanks. I think I have to guess the exact meaning of color(ed) zone. But that's ok, as there is always enough freedom for a translator.

hehe

well, I don't really know the content, so I can only guess...

that's what the text says, at least :-)

Ah, I wish we had a cute <kbd> style like the ones AskDifferent uses:

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Q: Where did the ~/Library folder go in Lion?

I just installed Lion, and I can't find the Library folder in my user folder. Does the folder no longer exist? If it doesn't, where are my preferences? If it does, how do I get to it?

osx finder lion

9:59 PM

@egreg: I'd love to know which editor you use. :) (Sorry, I can't upvote your answer now, as I'm out of votes)

@PauloCereda You're starting to repeat yourself :-) chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/41?m=1388987#1388987

@AlanMunn Ouch, my internal algorithm is doomed to crash anytime now. I need some linguistic advice.

10:21 PM

@PauloCereda Aquamacs

@AlanMunn But it was in July! :)

@AlanMunn You've good memory, much better than mine!

@egreg Ah true, I forgot. :) Aquamacs is so nice, I tried other general-purpose editors but I always come back to it. And also MacVim. :)

@egreg What? You didn't remember you used Aquamacs as an editor. :-) Maybe you should see someone about that.

@egreg Alan is an expert in the ways of remembering stuff, phrasal construction building blocks, stochastic models, hockey games and a brazilian food connoisseur. :)

As my defense, I blame Laura Pausini on TV right now. <3

@AlanMunn Good catch! I didn't remember having told Paulo.

And you remembered even that. Or you're keeping a record of all Paulo's lines.

@PauloCereda YAGM (Yet Another Google Moment).

@egreg Well not me, personally, but chat search did help to confirm.

10:40 PM

@PauloCereda Laura Pausini? Who's she? :) The radio is broadcasting Georg Muffat's Delirium Amoris; he was a pupil of Corelli.

10:54 PM

@egreg Ah how nice! I like the one where Stefano Rossi is the spalla. :)

@AlanMunn LOL

11:19 PM

I smell another badge in the air...

Cool! Who?

@PauloCereda Me.

Hi, everyone.

@AlanMunn Oh. Congrats!

Hi @Gonzalo! :)

@AlanMunn Which answer, Alan?

I think I am falling in love with the features provided by xparse.

11:26 PM

@PauloCereda I'm one vote short of the biblatex tag badge and I just added a nice biblatex answer.

@GonzaloMedina How nice! I'm sure Joseph, Bruno and Will will be very happy to know about your experiences with xparse. :)

@AlanMunn Ah true, I saw that answer. Very nice indeed. Sadly, I can only upvote it in 34 minutes (I know, I'm addicted to voting).

"Daily vote limit reached; vote again in 30 minutes." - Damn.

@AlanMunn Did you get it now?

@egreg I'm assuming so. I don't know how often the tag badge data is compiled by the system. I seem to recall that the less often a badge is awarded, the longer the delay in awarding it, so it might take a day to show up. (Thanks, BTW.)

@AlanMunn I think the timeframe is about 15 minutes.

@AlanMunn It was a nice answer indeed.

11:39 PM

On related news, @JosephWright is close to reach 30k! Only 61 rep points to go. :)

@GonzaloMedina Yes, xparse provides an easy interface to commands and environments - I use it quite extensively!

@egreg Thanks. It was a good question, since annotated bibilographies are quite common.

@GonzaloMedina I wish that xtemplate was better documented.

"Daily vote limit reached; vote again in 8 minutes." - Damn².

11:57 PM

@PauloCereda There's no rush. I just realised that the answer was my 18th biblatex answer, not my 20th, so no badge is in the offing after all. I'll need to answer two more biblatex questions for the tag badge.

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