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12:34 AM
@AndrewStacey It's no problem. We probably disappeared at the same time; I had a meeting to go to. Feel free to ask random language questions when we're in chat.
 
@StefanKottwitz: would you need any particular image for your TUG presentation? Jin sent me a vector format of the TeX.sx logo, in case you need it. Or any image I can make it. :-)
 
 
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4:27 AM
@ anyone interested in tagging (@lockstep): would a tag like be useful? e.g. for tex.stackexchange.com/questions/30742/…
 
 
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7:07 AM
@Canageek It depends what you are up to. Addition to double bonds is certainly possible: some people here (UEA) are using this to look at diffusion in micelles
We've been trying using muons to look at addition of hydrogen to metal species: we got some data, but the time scale is probably a bit short for us
@Canageek As you're in Canada, you are at the advantage of having access to TRIUMF (and also Donald Arseneau, not only a muon person but also a TeX expert)
 
7:57 AM
I think I am getting old, tired, drunk or whatever: pretty sure that Aditya has answered this question, and I can't find it anymore.
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Q: How do I get a list of all available fonts for luaotfload?

Patrickluaotfload uses an internal database that gets updated with mkluatexfontdb. So it knows about a lot of fonts installed on my computer. How can I query this database? Something like luatexfontdb --list-fonts-on-my-computer-that-are-in-your-database ?

 
Perhaps you were thinking of
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A: How do I get a list of all font features supported by current font

AdityaYou can use the ConTeXt script mtxrun to get this information: $mtxrun --script fonts --info --list --name --pattern="*Cambria*" mtx-fonts | mtx-fonts | mapping : cambriaitalic mtx-fonts | fontname: cambriaitalic mtx-fonts | fullname: cambriaitalic mtx-fonts | fil...

(Only obvious match for from a search user:323 luatex font)
 
No, I don't think so (I believe the answer has been given in the last few days). But I am so confused that I don't give a definite answer.
What's happening to me? Where do I live? Did I leave my brain at home today (do I need it at work?)?
I have mailed Aditya - perhaps he's got an answer.
 
8:18 AM
I don't see anything in the last couple of weeks
 
Perhaps some parallel world - thanks
 
8:58 AM
Morning!
 
hi @PauloCereda
 
Hey @Raphink :)
 
@PauloCereda Morning? 11 a.m. here :)
 
@Patrick Ah timezones. I always forget them. :) It's 6a.m. here.
 
well, that is morning.
 
9:08 AM
:)
Gonzalo's time is even earlier than mine. It's 4 a.m. in Colombia.
 
 
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10:46 AM
Well, here I am again. No more rep from upvotes. :(
:)
 
10:57 AM
@egreg 240 - I really feel sorry for you ...
You should ask the sx staff to increase the daily rep cap for us all
It only takes half a day to hit the rep cap
How can we work with such shortcomings in the tex.sx site?
 
The idea is that you should let others answer for the other half a day.
 
11:20 AM
@egreg wow, you are my hero.
 
11:32 AM
@egreg - I have caught you again answering a question and trying to collect upvotes :) tex.stackexchange.com/questions/30817/…
 
11:48 AM
Question: Is Armenia in Europe or Asia?
 
Asia
 
12:10 PM
@Patrick I felt that the other answers were not completely satisfactory and gave a customizable macro.
@PauloCereda It's Asia according to geographic conventions, but it's in the Council of Europe and belongs to the European sport associations.
 
@egreg Thanks! I was thinking of dividing countries in their geographic places, but it's better to leave everything as a table. :-)
 
 
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1:32 PM
@egreg, I'll upvote your answer tomorrow, I hope you don't mind :)
 
1:43 PM
@JosephWright Probably it's best to discuss about robust commands here. When you define \newcommand{\xyz}[1][default]{...#1...} (there can be any number of regular arguments, up to 8) then \xyz is robust, as it expands to \@protected@testopt \xyz \\xyz {default} which, when \protect is not \@typeset@protect, eventually expands to \protect\xyz.
 
1:53 PM
@AlanMunn: Got any spare time to chat about JabRef?
 
2:25 PM
@Patrick It's nice to know that I've friends who want to help me get the Legendary badge. Before Martin, maybe. :)
 
@egreg If I'm not mistaken, Martin will probably get the Legendary badge in Oct 25th.
 
@JosephWright I think I saw a presentation by the guy doing addition of Muons to things when I was working in Vancouver this summer- I was at the TRIUMF user group conference.
@JosephWright By do things with I meant make into molecules that I can actully have around for a while, at least long enough to characterize.
@JosephWright I'm actually interested in hot-atom chemistry with radioisotopes that have at least a few hours half-life, muons seem a little shortlived to me.
 
@egreg To me, that's not robust as it expands at all: the LaTeX3 view on preventing expansion is the \protected one: something protected should not change at all
@egreg Also, doesn't \protected@testopt only works inside a \protected@edef, not a 'raw' \edef
 
2:43 PM
@BrentLongborough Hi Brent, maybe. But I'm not much of a JabRef user.
 
@JosephWright In fact I remembered the muon presentation was odd, because he used a PDF of pages instead of slides. Good talk though, I wanted to ask him about it after but wasn't able to meet up with him.
 
@BrentLongborough What about JabRef?
 
@JosephWright It depends on what notion of robustness you have in mind. The traditional LaTeX meaning is "it can go in moving arguments without creating problems", which amounts to say that it can go through \protected@edef. Of course \protected macros are more robust, as they won't depend on the current meaning of \protect and can go through \edef.
 
3:06 PM
Phew, another blog post ready. I just need someone to kindly proofread it (/me winks at @Joseph ).
 
3:26 PM
@PauloCereda Will do
@egreg There are some things that don't work properly even if 'LaTeX robust' which do if 'engine robust'. e-TeX is hardly new, so my working definition is 'engine robust'. (For example, see some discussion in the siunitx manual about the first item in a table cell.)
 
@JosephWright: I tried it and thought it was a bit manky at first sight. Changing the fontsize to suit my old eyes wasn't clear (I did it in the end, but struggled). Then CTRL-V copies the whole entry, apparently, while I was expecting it to copy "\cite{<keys-of-selected>}. Maybe I'm just grumpy today...
 
@BrentLongborough Java-based does not quite have the same look as native applications, its true.
 
@JosephWright Thanks a lot!
 
@BrentLongborough I guess years of using JabRef mean that I 'expect' to need Ctrl-K
 
@JosephWright True, nor the speed, at least on my machine with only 4Gig. The font sizes really threw me off, too.
 
3:30 PM
@BrentLongborough Start up is slow, but I find it okay in use
(I've got a Mac, but have never got on with BibDesk there)
 
I can't remember, but there are parameters you can pass to the JVM in order to alter how the rendering engine works, including font size.
 
@JosephWright Aha! Ctrl-K - I guess I need to RTFM. But I have this awful tendency to make my time-investment decisions based on first impressions. That's one of the reasons I'm a Memoir, rather than a Koma fanboy.
 
@PauloCereda Surely include @TH.'s location in the 'odd' ones
 
@AlanMunn Thanks anyway, no worries
 
@JosephWright I was thinking the same! With a link to meta.tex.stackexchange.com/questions/1287/…
 
3:33 PM
Take a look at
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Q: Including different content based on whether xelatex or pdflatex is invoked

SureshI use XeLaTeX for my documents, and have a font set that I like. However, I also work with coauthors who aren't quite ready for xelatex yet, and use PDFLaTeX (or even plain LaTeX). I'd like to construct a macro that includes certain content (fontspec and certain font packages) if I use XeLaTeX a...

and decide which one to dupe to!
@PauloCereda Of course :-)
 
@JosephWright There's only one user allocated to Chandgad. Guess who... :-P
 
@PauloCereda Yes, Paulo, thanks, but that's another investment decision that was easy to refuse (;-))
Thanks chaps. Back to the schoolrom...
 
@JosephWright I agree. With siunitx applications in mind either \NewDocumentCommand or etoolbox's \newrobustcmd are better.
 
3:54 PM
@JosephWright I chose 15142 as I find the answer easier to understand for a beginner
 
@Caramdir Not sure. Are there old questions (possibly with lots of upvotes) that are missing this tag?
 
At least I'm one of the top voters.
It's the only thing I know, besides spamming the chatrooms.
@egreg's rep graph:
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4:11 PM
Hi, everybody.
 
Hello Gonzalo!
 
@PauloCereda You vote for too many of my answers. That's why I always reach rep cap.
 
Some days ago, me, @PauloCereda and others were talking about indexes in LaTeX. Now a friend of mine needs to build two indexes: one in Spanish and the other one is the translation into English of the first one. I've really never done much work with indexes, so I don't know what to suggest to my friend as the best approach. What packages would you suggest?
 
@egreg Vote cap is the only one I reach. :-)
Hm I'm not sure about how to guarantee the correct hyphenation.
 
@GonzaloMedina I've no doubt, of course: imakeidx.
 
4:21 PM
imakeidx or splitidx are the way to go.
 
With imakeidx you can set a command to be executed at index printing time, which can be \selectlanguage{...}
 
@egreg ah! Good catch!
 
If the tests are positive, in a few days imakeidx will be compatible also with memoir.
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@PauloCereda Thanks, Paulo. I'll have a look at imakeidx.
@egreg that's a really useful feature. Thanks.
 
@Gonzalo: How about a TUG conference in Colombia? :-)
I saw the past conferences and commented that South America never had one. Then Joseph said to me:
2 days ago, by Joseph Wright
@PauloCereda Offer to run the next one :-)
 
4:29 PM
@PauloCereda That would be really nice! I surely would love a TUG conference here! What do I have to do?
 
@GonzaloMedina I have absolutely no idea. :-) But count me in! (I'd love to visit Colombia)
 
Maybe @egreg could give us some information?
I have to go now, but I really like the idea, and I would do my best to make it happen, if it is possible. Bye.
 
See ya, Gonzalo!
 
@GonzaloMedina About the usage or about the tests?
 
@egreg: I think it's about hosting a TUG conference.
 
4:42 PM
@PauloCereda I've never done anything like that.
 
@egreg Oh. :)
 
@PauloCereda I'm not a good organizer, I'd say. I've worked for conference organization, but mostly for TeX related aspects.
 
@egreg Neither do I. I also worked for conference organization, but only for the computer-related part of it (registrations, website, material).
@egreg: But you are a great speaker!
 
5:06 PM
@GonzaloMedina I'd start by e-mailing Karl Berry and making a tentative offer.
Or perhaps the TUG office (office@tug.org)
 
@egreg memoir tries to avoid other packages to avoid dependencies. The result is that ALL packages have to check if they are compatible with memoir :-(
 
@MartinScharrer Yes. In this case it's even worse! In order to avoid using up the write streams, memoir writes all the \indexentry commands in the .aux file and writes the .idx files at end document, which defeats the main feature of imakeidx, that is, of processing the .idx files as part of the typesetting run. But it turns out that hijacking memoir's index processing with ours, all goes well.
 
5:25 PM
It's fun to draw that lion!
 
 
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7:03 PM
Not sure what to think about the recent answer to one of my unanswered questions: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/9683/…
 
@GonzaloMedina: I hope you like it:
This lion is kinda annoying to draw.
 
7:30 PM
Ah forgot to add a background! (sigh)
There, fixed!
 
7:54 PM
@JosephWright: yes, I'll write an e-mail to Karl Berry.
@PauloCereda Not bad at all. The sombrero vueltiao really fits the CTAN lion!
 
8:44 PM
@GonzaloMedina Is there a local TeX user group? Perhaps let's check local support before writing Karl.
 
9:04 PM
@GonzaloMedina I drew it by hand in Inkscape. The lion was quite annoying to draw because of all the details. The sombrero was nice to draw, I think it really fits the lion. :-)
 
@StefanKottwitz In principal yes, but a lot of these things in reality come down to one or two people
For example, TUG2011 is clearly down to the River Valley people, which means Kaveh and his India colleague
 
@JosephWright Sure, it may be the work of a few people
@JosephWright Regarding TUG 2011 I noticed at least 21 participants from India, which is a big part of the listed participants
I mean as well support in interest and attending
 
@StefanKottwitz Not surprising: there is a lot of back-end typesetting done in India
 
I mean, it would be good to know if there are also many people from the area coming
 
Also in Lithuania: I see that the guy from VTeX is going
 
9:17 PM
@JosephWright Today I got my visa for India :-)
 
88 TeX.sx users from India. :-)
 
@PauloCereda I remember your map, which used absolute numbers. Could you do it in relative numbers, regarding population?
 
@StefanKottwitz Yes, I can! :-)
By population = TeX.sx population?
 
by country
 
9:24 PM
btw. I see 105 from India, using the data explorer
 
@StefanKottwitz Ah, the data dump was updated. I used the last one from september.
 
9:57 PM
@StefanKottwitz No, there's no local TeX user group in Colombia. There's CervanTeX (mainly a Spanish group and I am a member, but it doesn't have much activity) and there's also a Mexican group (I think).
 
Just for the record, there's no Brazilian TUG AFAIK.
 
See tug.org/usergroups.html for a reasonably-complete list of LUGs
Activity tends to correlate to the need to provide local features
Hence UK-TUG does not do much (hyphenation patterns were done many years ago)
 
10:16 PM
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Q: Command for Big Omega

Isaac KleinmanHow can I the code for "big omega", NOT \omega which is little omega. I want the symbol that's used in big-O notation.

Three answers with negative score?!
 
10:29 PM
@PauloCereda Mico's answer is prolix and little informative; Peter Grill's is wrong (the O is usually in italics); Werner's is wrong too (\mathcal{O}?) and abuses \ensuremath. I've not given negative votes to them, but I'd not give upvotes either.
 
@PauloCereda Unusual! Even though I don't like them much, I don't think the answers deserve a downvote.
 
@JosephWright I have finally found out what happened: My dog ate the answer. (No, actually it was Aditya, and he didn't ate it, but deleted it because it was not an answer to the question.)
(I know you're not here right now, but anyway)
 
@Patrick And as we know, it's the internet, so Aditya could also be a dog (in addition to me.)
 
So true, Alan :)
Actually I have met him once(?). So I am sure he isn't a dog.
 
News flash: internet dog passes Turing Test.
 
10:39 PM
\ensuremath should be banned. If you are going to write math, then go into math mode.
 
@GonzaloMedina That's also my opinion. In some cases it can be useful, but not generally as Werner, for example, seems to think.
 
 
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@egreg Ah, I see. Unfortunately, I don't understand most of those math commands, so I didn't notice why they were downvoted. I just found curious of three answers with negative score in less than 1 hour. ;-)
@GonzaloMedina I think the same. :-)
 

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