TeX, LaTeX and Friends

Paul Gessler

00:47

@cfr per your comment here, I can see all the images in previous posts, and I checked the underlying code for a few of the posts. All the ones I checked used the official imgur interface. So it might be some local issue you're having.

Paulo Cereda

01:08

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Gotta love shapepar. :)

Nasser

Why was there never a stable release of luatex? According to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LuaTeX  it says:

Initial release 	2007; 8 years ago
Stable release 	No stable releases yet.

Just wondering why that is.

And if someone here works on the luatex project, please, please change the background page color on the main site luatex.org to something other than dark gray. It is so hard on the eyes to look at. Best should be black font on bright background. White text on black background hurts eyes (at least they do to my eyes and I can't read the text there before getting headache)

Paulo Cereda

@Nasser Maybe this thread could be relevant for your question:

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Q: Would you consider Luatex to be ready for a production environment

I'm setting up a number of document with dynamic texts. Basically LaTeX is view mechanism to dynamically present the results of ongoing statistical analysis on a database. So I have numerous \ifnums and \newifs that are fed by Sweave with the values calculated in the R chunks of and Rnw file. A...

luatex

Nasser

@PauloCereda thanks for the link.

I am trying to run the code fragment shown here tex.stackexchange.com/questions/17789/…  in the second answer below that uses luatex. The answer says to do

\directlua{tex.print(string.format("\string\%0.3f", 10.1234567))}

But there is no complete working example given. When I do the following:

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{luacode}
\begin{document}
\directlua{tex.print(string.format("\string\%0.3f", 10.1234567))}
\end{document}

And compile using

lualatex foo.tex

I get error

! LuaTeX error [\directlua]:1: invalid escape sequence near '\%'.
l.5 ...(string.format("\string\%0.3f", 10.1234567))}

does any one know how to make it a MWE out of that one line? I wish people who answer always give a MWE instead of just one line fragment of code.

link http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/17789/printf-style-number-formatting-in-latex

cfr

01:29

@PaulGessler Damn. Not again. What is odd is that usually all images disappear, so I know it is a problem my end. This time most of them look perfectly fine. But I have a feeling I just edited somebody else's post entirely unnecessarily :(.

@PauloCereda Thanks for the information, though. The site has now started playing up in other ways, too.

Adam Liter

02:01

Does anyone know offhand what the command is for defining a new package option with biblatex? I remember reading it in the manual, but now I cannot remember the name and I can't find it ... :p

Ah, found it: \DeclareBibliographyOption ... That should not have been as hard as it was ... lol. :)

Pedro Tamaroff

02:20

Hello guys.

I just updated MikTeX and now the Babel package is not working with Spanish.

I am not sure if the server is failing to communicate and that package is not downloading with TeXworks.

yo'

06:02

I've again been serial upvoted in the last 2 days :-/

Torbjørn T.

07:01

@cfr @HeikoOberdiek tex.stackexchange.com/questions/116457/… has been reopened.

David Carlisle

07:18

@Nasser answer is wrong, you want % not \% in the lua, so:

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{luacode}
\begin{document}
\makeatletter
\directlua{tex.print(string.format("\@percentchar0.3f", 10.1234567))}
\end{document}

Heiko Oberdiek

@TorbjørnT. Thanks, short answer written.

Nasser

07:43

@DavidCarlisle thanks, I verified your code worked on TL 2015. I am surprised how it then worked before. Or maybe no body tried to run the code before ;)

David Carlisle

08:11

@Nasser never worked

Enthusiastic Student

Hi, is there any event for answering unanswered questions; like what you had some months ago?

If there is any plan to have such event, there are many unanswered questions in pgfplots tag...

tex.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/…

Joseph Wright

08:30

@EnthusiasticStudent Once a month: I need to schedule it for Saturday

@EnthusiasticStudent Oh, there are lots of unanswered questions generally. What's needed is people to turn up and have a go at answering them :-)

Feeds

11:15

Joseph Wright has added an event to this room's schedule.

Joseph Wright

@EnthusiasticStudent ^^^

Arthur Reutenauer

@DavidCarlisle It may actually have worked in the very early days of LuaTeX. I remember using things like that around 2007.

David Carlisle

@ArthurReutenauer \% OK perhaps, Doesn't work now:-)

Arthur Reutenauer

@DavidCarlisle Note that Aditya’s answer is already 4 years old :-)

@DavidCarlisle Yes, \% or \string% maybe.

Joseph Wright

12:45

@ArthurReutenauer What's the status with XeTeX and asking for new primitives? I have an idea that would need one from pdfTeX, not Unicode/typesetting related.

Arthur Reutenauer

@JosephWright Just ask for it :-) The mailing list is the best place to have a discussion.

Joseph Wright

@ArthurReutenauer OK, I'll explain my plan too

Johannes_B

There are about ten flies in this kitchen. The dog caught a few but more are coming. I set up a fly trap. Very very smart design. After fifteen minutes in use, i can say one thing: It doesn't work.

Arthur Reutenauer

@Johannes_B Any photos of the design? Maybe it’s been thought out to inspire the flies the create their own art works and stop buzzing around. You should wait a bit.

Johannes_B

@ArthurReutenauer It is an empty can with a bit of raw pultry liver in it, sealed with a plastic sheet with a little hole in it. ;-)

egreg

12:52

@JosephWright I'm thinking to \pdfcreationdate, \pdfescapestring, \pdfescapename, \pdfescapehex, \pdfunescapehex, \pdfuniformdeviate, \pdfnormaldeviate, \pdfmdfivesum, \pdffilemoddate, \pdffilesize, \pdffiledump, \pdfrandomseed, \pdfsetrandomseed

@JosephWright Especially the random number related ones would help for l3fp.

Joseph Wright

@egreg I have one specific request but will end with a point about the wider situation :-)

Arthur Reutenauer

@egreg I did notice a question about datetime2, and how it didn’t really work in XeTeX because it’s missing the seconds. It is a pity indeed, there is no reason why XeTeX shouldn’t behave like pdfTeX in this respect (apart for the lack of manpower to add these primitives, of course).

Joseph Wright

@ArthurReutenauer Email coming up

Arthur Reutenauer

@JosephWright Thanks

@Johannes_B Oh, you designed it? Doesn’t it smell over the place?

egreg

@JosephWright @ArthurReutenauer I think it shouldn't be too difficult to implement those: probably pdftex just asks the OS.

Johannes_B

12:57

@ArthurReutenauer not yet. the liver is fresh.

Arthur Reutenauer

@egreg Oh, I’m not worried about the difficult, just about the accumulated time needed for all these bugs and feature requests. Last time I checked there were still only 24 hours in the day (OK, 24 hours and 1 second last night, but unfortunately I didn’t take advantage of the leap second).

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Joseph Wright

@egreg, @ArthurReutenauer Mail sent: I've made it clear that I have a very specific use case in mind for that one primitive

@egreg Probably the random number ones would be my second most useful on that list (as it's basically impossible to emulate but is really handy)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright do you want to do Chris's edit or should I?

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Chris's edit?

David Carlisle

@JosephWright couple of words, I'll do it (show willing:-)

Joseph Wright

13:12

@DavidCarlisle Nothing showing on the team list

Arthur Reutenauer

@JosephWright Thanks, got it. The use case is very sensible indeed.

David Carlisle

@JosephWright ah he replied to the auto-checkin mail from your edit, but just sent to me and Frank:-)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle OK, will work out from your commit what was said then (once it happens)

Paulo Cereda

14:32

Happy Canada day!

egreg

@PauloCereda musicaltoronto.org/2014/06/25/…

Paulo Cereda

@egreg ooh

egreg

@PauloCereda The first time I heard the March of the Priests I immediately said it had been the “inspiration” for the Canadian anthem: “O Canada!”

Paulo Cereda

@egreg :)

egreg

@PauloCereda You see, when I was a boy, we could see the Swiss television and they were fond of ice hockey, so the Canadian anthem was often heard.

Paulo Cereda

14:42

@egreg How nice. :)

egreg

@PauloCereda At that time, we had just two TV channels, so everybody installed bigger antennas for receiving the Swiss television channel in Italian and also TV Koper from Yugoslavia, which broadcasted the Yugoslavian basketball league.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Cool! :) I heard the Russians decided to adopt the SECAM standard (from France, instead of PAL or NTSC) because they didn't want people watching foreign television. :)

Johannes_B

If anyone has soome useful advice, please feel free to write it down. I have no idea what to say.

@Johannes_B and friends, the book recommended is great, I am following the instructions, but the DVI is through internet explorer and if you pass another command to LaTeX it reflects the previous output. Notepad was not useful, TeXworks editor gives a lot of promises ( the few results / errors I got were 2ru this editor ). WebEdt would have been all the answer only that after a month I may not have access to it anymore. What more thing do I need to read or know so that after grace period I will still be happy belonging to this great community? — Gideon Ebelebe 9 mins ago

egreg

15:08

@PauloCereda Very possible. The discussion in Italy about the system (PAL or SECAM) was very long. We got color TV only in 1977.

David Carlisle

@Johannes_B I added something. I doubt it will help.

Johannes_B

@DavidCarlisle btw the OP also asked tex.stackexchange.com/questions/251941/…

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Interesting that you take much the same line as me on DVI output

David Carlisle

15:23

@JosephWright although I avoided saying just use emacs and stop worrying about inferior editors.

@JosephWright is winedt the one that UKTUG used to distribute to members ages ago?

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Yes, we used to have a deal (before I was on the commitee)

@DavidCarlisle WinEdt is quite scriptable/flexible and has a long history on Windows

David Carlisle

@JosephWright ah I think my wife may have used it back then.

Johannes_B

@DavidCarlisle I think DANTE members can also have a discount for winedt.

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B dante.de/index/Intern/WinEdt.html

David Carlisle

@Johannes_B I bet emacs is still cheaper

Joseph Wright

15:30

@Johannes_B UK-TUG decided that with availability of free editors improving we'd rather not continue the arrangement we had. We put some money into TeXworks development at about the same time.

Johannes_B

@JosephWright Texworks is great, because it is simple. Thanks UK-TUG :-)

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B Agreed: it's my day-to-day TeX editor

I learned using WinEdt

Johannes_B

@JosephWright for compiling i use latexmk. It is really handy.

Arthur Reutenauer

@egreg I thought the same thing last time I heard it, but the author of the article isn’t very convincing that the two are connected. A few bars in the middle of March of the Priests remind of the Austrian anthem too, by the way ;-)

@egreg On a different note, I saw this guy roh.org.uk/people/ambrogio-maestri at the canteen two hours ago. He’s singing Falstaff this month.

egreg

@ArthurReutenauer He looks overweight even as Falstaff. ;-)

Arthur Reutenauer

15:41

@egreg Yes, he’s perfect for the role :-) He’s pretty tall, too.

Johannes_B

@ArthurReutenauer I made a photo but cannot upload it to the pc. The trap is completely useless :-(

Arthur Reutenauer

@Johannes_B Too bad ;-)

Paulo Cereda

16:37

@egreg Interesting. Which system was used?

egreg

@PauloCereda For some years there were experimental broadcasts using both PAL and SECAM. Eventually the PAL system was adopted.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Ah cool. Our system is a variation of PAL, named PAL-M. :)

Nasser

17:07

I have old latex files, and I see I have this in there
\usepackage{times}%
I guess I did it to make the fonts times? Is this ok to do? or is it better not to mess around with fonts like this?

David Carlisle

@Nasser it's Ok to change fonts although that's a very old package (older than latex2e) and probably better to use a times clone package such as newtxmath:

@Nasser eg tex.stackexchange.com/questions/81772/…

Nasser

@DavidCarlisle thanks! I just did, and it looks really nice! I'll show how the HTML looks now compared without any package added. I need to make screen shots. I'll switch all my makefiles to use newtxmath

David Carlisle

@Nasser I doubt the html files are using the newtx fonts are they?

Nasser

@DavidCarlisle yes, it made big difference in the HTML! I am using SVG for images. Here is without this package (this is HTML, not PDF)

And this is the HTML with the package, notice the difference...

David Carlisle

17:23

@Nasser ah OK the SVG probably is using tex fonts copied into the svg

Nasser

I really like the new fonts. They are little darker in the HTML also.

@DavidCarlisle I do not know how this all works, but this made the math better in HTML as well. So thanks again for the suggestion. I will rebuild all my pages with this in place.

What we really need is a tool that analyzes latex file for included packages, and warn or suggest conflicts or such. For example, I have one huge common.tex file that I included in all my latex files, and I add all packages in the common.tex. So I do not know if when I add new \usepackage in the common.tex file, it is will conflict with another package already there.

It is hard to keep track of things by hand. I just add a package and hope nothing breaks somewhere else later on.

David Carlisle

@Nasser isn't that what the nag package tries to do, but really I don't think it's necessary, should instead train users to start with article and an empty preamble and just add things as needed rather starting with hundreds of lines of weird preamble code copied from some unknown place, or an old document that you can't remember why you added stuff.

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Nasser

@DavidCarlisle but this is not practical. I have 1000's of Latex files. I can't add only what is needed in each file each time, it will take me 10 life times to do this if I have to figure what package to add each time. It is much easier to just include one common.tex file each time, knowing I have everything I would need there. I do not know what nag package is.

I also have to get the syntax right each time I want to add a package and make typos

David Carlisle

@Nasser nag is a package that generates warnings if it thinks you have done wrong. as for your 1000s of files that isn't 1000s of designs or even really new documents since they should all have the same design, just as all articles in a journal use the same class. But people routinely hand write documents by starting with some random document, deleting everything after \begin{document} then adding extra packages to the 100s of packages they started with and hoping it all works.

Arthur Reutenauer

@Nasser Well, you really should add only what is needed. Including heaps of packages just because you may need them is a terrible idea. And do you really have thousands of LaTeX files? What for? How often do you compile each of them?

David Carlisle

17:39

@Nasser that's why you see "minimal" documents posted on site that load amsmath three times, graphicx twice , tikz and pstricks and xypic, just in case....

Nasser

@ArthurReutenauer What you way is correct in theory. But in practice it does not work for me. I tried to do that you say, but I ended up just copying and pasting code from other files anyway to include files when I want to include same package.
I have more than 1000's latex files. all my web page is made of Latex files.

@DavidCarlisle when I make MWE here, ofcourse I will only include the needed files. I am not talking about MWE.

David Carlisle

@Nasser but you shouldn't have to copy preamble code from one to the other

Arthur Reutenauer

@Nasser What I’m saying is practical advice. The way you say you’re dealing with LaTeX sounds to me like “I try random things until it ends up working”, that’s not a good idea and also not sustainable on the long term.

David Carlisle

@Nasser no the point is if people don't look at what's in their preamble when making a MWE they definitely do not for real documents.

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Arthur Reutenauer

@Nasser Anyway, gotta go, have a nice evening / day depending on where you are.

David Carlisle

17:42

@Nasser your files should all have a completely trivial preamble \documentclass{nasser}\begin{document} then you just have to make nasser.cls do whatever needs doing.

Nasser

@DavidCarlisle my common.tex have also lots of macros I use in many places. It makes no sense to copy/paste these in each file each time. I do not like duplication. So when I want to fix a macro, I have to fix it in 1000 places instead of only one place?

David Carlisle

@Nasser no exactly that is why all your files should look like \documentclass{nasser}\begin{document} so you only ever have to fix/change nasser.cls that is the whole point of a document class that it implements a particular class of design.

Nasser

@DavidCarlisle I do not know how to make .cls for this. All what I am saying, is that instead of typing \usepackage{graphicx}, \usepackage{hypperf} etc... in each file each time and make typos, it is much simpler to say \input{common.tex} and have all that in one file. That is all. Anyway, thanks for all the advices. Have to go figure why my latex file does not compile now :)

David Carlisle

@Nasser it's better to use the latex syntax that is designed for this use. nasser.cls can just be in total \LoadClass{article}\input{common}

yo'

17:57

@DavidCarlisle well, \ProvidesClass is useful, too :-)

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A: What is the minimal codes to create my own `\documentclass` derived from LaTeX's `book`?

\ProvidesClass{mybook}[2011/01/20 v 0.01 my own class (hv)] \DeclareOption*{\PassOptionsToClass{\CurrentOption}{book}}% or whatever \ProcessOptions\relax % \LoadClass[% the default options ]{book} \RequirePackage{xcolors} \RequirePackage{...} ... \endinput end, of course, a comment statement of...

David Carlisle

@yo' marginally, it only makes warnings if you give the wrong name:-)

yo'

@DavidCarlisle true, but warnings are ugly :-)

David Carlisle

@yo' no but if you don't have it, you wont get warnings, you only get warnings if you use providesclass and load it under the wrong name

yo'

@DavidCarlisle ah, but still it's a bad habit not to include \ProvidesClass, isn't it?

David Carlisle

@yo' I always try to avoid using my own code:-)

@yo' for a class for general use, yes, but the system intentionally didn't require it to try to make it as easy as possible to convert 2.09 style files, and for end users to do as I suggest above and just collect common macros into a class file.

Nasser

18:09

You see what I mean: I added this to my common.tex file:
\usepackage{newtxtext,newtxmath}
And it depends on the order I put the above, I get different error. Now I get this error when I put it near the end:
This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159265-2.6-1.40.16 (TeX Live 2015) (preloaded format=pdflatex)
/usr/local/texlive/2015/texmf-dist/tex/latex/newtx/newtxtext.sty:88: LaTeX Erro
r: Option clash for package textcomp.
l.88 \DeclareRobustCommand
/usr/local/texlive/2015/texmf-dist/tex/latex/newtx/newtxtext.sty:88: Emergency

And I move \usepackage{newtxtext,newtxmath} to the first line in common.tex, I get this error:

This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159265-2.6-1.40.16 (TeX Live 2015) (preloaded format=pdflatex)
./index.tex:9: LaTeX Error: Too many math alphabets used in version normal.

l.9 \begin{document}
./index.tex:9: Emergency stop.
 ...
l.9 \begin{document}
./index.tex:9:  ==> Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!
Transcript written on index.log.
make: *** [index.htm] Error 1

So there is come conflict in my common.tex with some other package I have there with these 2 new packages I am trying to add, and now I have to spend time trying to figure the conflict. It is nightmere trying to do this all the time.

David Carlisle

@Nasser you can only have 16 fonts (families) in a math expression so if you load multiple math font packages that is expected.

Nasser

I removed the newtxtext and kept the newtxmath and now the error went away

but only when it is added the last package in the file. I do not know why. I am using lualatex. So order is important. That is what I mean. Order of adding \usepackge can cause an error!

David Carlisle

@Nasser for the first error r: Option clash for package textcomp if you'd have tyoed h it woul dtell you what the clash was

Nasser

@DavidCarlisle yes. I did not type it! I copied it from screen. I am using texfot to filter output.

This is what texfot prints on screen. Here is screen shot

David Carlisle

@Nasser hmm with latex 2015 with luatex I switched things round so you can have 256 math alphabets did you really use that many?

@Nasser it will only be on the terminal if you type h (and texfot hasn't removed it) , otherwise you need to look in the log

Nasser

18:18

David Carlisle

@Nasser oh no, you are not using lualatex so you do just have 16 math alphabets. You are using pdflatex.

Nasser

@DavidCarlisle sorry, I change to pdflatex last night, I was having error with lualatex. I'll change back to lualtex now. (makefile)

Ok, I switched, New error:

texfot lualatex --file-line-error  index.tex
/usr/local/texlive/2015/bin/i386-linux/texfot: invoking: lualatex --file-line-error index.tex
This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.80.0 (TeX Live 2015) (rev 5238)
/usr/local/texlive/2015/texmf-dist/tex/latex/newtx/newtxtext.sty:88: LaTeX Erro
r: Option clash for package textcomp.
l.88 \DeclareRobustCommand
/usr/local/texlive/2015/texmf-dist/tex/latex/newtx/newtxtext.sty:88: Emergency s
top.
l.88 \DeclareRobustCommand
/usr/local/texlive/2015/texmf-dist/tex/latex/newtx/newtxtext.sty:88:  ==> Fatal

Now I will remove the newtxtext

David Carlisle

@Nasser that's the same error option clash for textcomp.

Nasser

Error went away when I removed newtxtext and only kept newtxmath

so will just only use newtxmath

juggling and shuffling latex packages is so much fun :)

David Carlisle

@Nasser as I say the log file will tell you what the clash is and how to remove it

@Nasser it's harder if you don't use the help latex gives when clashes happen

@Nasser newtxtext does \RequirePackage[full]{textcomp} but you have already loaded textcomp without that option so the help text for the error will tell you to load textcomp first with \RequirePackage[full]{textcomp} so the option gets used.

Nasser

18:26

@DavidCarlisle Ok, will try to fix it. Fyi, here is the log with the error:

(/usr/local/texlive/2015/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/t1enc.def
File: t1enc.def 2005/09/27 v1.99g Standard LaTeX file
LaTeX Font Info:    Redeclaring font encoding T1 on input line 48.
))

/usr/local/texlive/2015/texmf-dist/tex/latex/newtx/newtxtext.sty:88: LaTeX Erro
r: Option clash for package textcomp.

See the LaTeX manual or LaTeX Companion for explanation.
Type  H <return>  for immediate help.
 ...

l.88 \DeclareRobustCommand
                        {\sustyle}{%
?
/usr/local/texlive/2015/texmf-dist/tex/latex/newtx/newtxtext.sty:88: Emergency s

David Carlisle

@Nasser see the bottom 7 lines of that tell you same thing (and a slightly different possible fix)

@Nasser same message from same person actually, just 20 years apart;-)

Nasser

@DavidCarlisle how do you it is the same person? I do not understand? but I will add the global option. Is it like this? \documentclass[12pt,full]{article}? Never seen this before

no, \documentclass[12pt,full]{article} does not work

I do not know what "Adding the global options:
,full
to your \documentclass declaration may fix this" mean

@DavidCarlisle you said " but you have already loaded textcomp without that option" But I look at my common.tex, and I do not see this added anywhere?

Ok, fixed. This what I did...

added \RequirePackage[full]{textcomp} as first line in common.tex, then added \usepackage{newtxtext,newtxmath} later on. and now no error !! Thanks @DavidCarlisle

One needs a PhD in Latex to figure how to fix these things.

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle I see Frank wondered the same as me about your checkin (I just didn't say!)

Nasser

@DavidCarlisle OMG ! now tex4ht removed all the "fi" from the text! I am looking at my web page, and I see space in place of "fi" . THis is no good.

I removed the newtxtext package, and now the "fi" shows back in the page. This is a problem, can't use newtxtext package with tex4ht

Johannes_B

18:59

@yo' Concerning tex.stackexchange.com/posts/9326/revisions, i think leaving out LPPL might be a good idea. Nobody is forced to choose a license.

@DavidCarlisle Gunnar completely agrees here.

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B I guess you mean a specific license

Johannes_B

@JosephWright Yeah. But no license could be ok as well, making it basically open domain. But i would always recommend to make some license/warranty/statement.

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B No, no license means no rights for anyone

Johannes_B

@JosephWright Oh, i dind't know that. That's why i want to have some special days in school, where stuff like that is taught.

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B You do development, you pick these things up :-)

Johannes_B

19:06

@JosephWright Not all of my github repos have a license statement.

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B Legal stuff is complex but basically copyright automatically exists on works so you have to specify reuse right

@Johannes_B There's a reason they suggest you add one as part of the set-up for a new repo

@Johannes_B It's not fun, but it is important

Johannes_B

@JosephWright I think most of my github stuff is summarising material. For example, how to run biblatex/biber which isn't fully translated from german yet.

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B That's slightly different then: documentation has copyright but doesn't need a licence

Johannes_B

@JosephWright There is none :-) The thing in its whole is tricky. Writing something about citing stuff and generating reference lists, and not really knowing what/if/how to cite.

@JosephWright How about that license? github.com/johannesbottcher/titlepageExamples/blob/master/…

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B Fine :-)

Johannes_B

19:12

Can you recommend some literature on that whole matter?

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B FSF cover this in a lot of detail (of course somewhat loaded)

Johannes_B

@JosephWright I fear this will be a big read.

David Carlisle

@Johannes_B no you can't put it on ctan/texlive with no licence

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B Take home is that to allow use by people you need some kind of license on any software

@Johannes_B It can be CC0/public domain/DWTFUL/...

Johannes_B

@DavidCarlisle That bit i knew. :-) So far i never had any intelligent idea, hence nothing to put on CTAN.

@JosephWright I was thinking about WTFPL for titlepages. ;-)

Joseph Wright

19:17

@DavidCarlisle Message from Morten :-)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright your checkin changed every line to dos line ends, mine put it back:-)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Odd: svn ps svn:eol-style native not set?

David Carlisle

@Nasser because me telling you in chat and you getting a message from latex both saying the same thing both involved me typing some words;-)

@JosephWright presumably not, but your log comment said small edit but the diff was full file:-)

Gonzalo Medina

Hello! Just wanted to be sure, therefore I ask. What's the "official" (in our community) position about times for voting to close a question? I ask because in the past weeks I've seen some closing votes cast before an hour of the question, even when some comments have been left for the OP to provide additional information. An example, here:

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Q: error note when trying to latex a list of figure captions

What does @xdblarg mean as an error note with respect to a list of figures?

floats captions

I agree that it's a poorly asked question, but comments were left asking for MWE and clarification, so it's too soon (IMHO) to vote to close.

Joseph Wright

@GonzaloMedina Well 'official' is tricky

@GonzaloMedina Certainly I'd say it's too fast

Gonzalo Medina

19:23

@JosephWright I know. I refer to the standards here in such a friendly environment.

I know some other sx sites enforce other standards.

@JosephWright Ah, thanks. So things are still friendly and more "relaxed" (in a good sense) here. I like that.

David Carlisle

@GonzaloMedina personally I vote for close for duplicate more or less straight away if its an obvious dup, but other reasons I hardly ever vote to close at all. unless the OP really refuses to make it understandable when I vote for unclear if I don't understand it:-)

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Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Clear dupes are a bit different

Gonzalo Medina

@DavidCarlisle Agreed. When it comes to closing for obvious duplicate I am also swift :-)

Johannes_B

@GonzaloMedina The thing is, as this is often referred to as a special community, not following the rules, you have to actually be part. Read in chat, follow meta. We try to not enforce the whole read that test to be a part here and get proper help, but the same is true for overenthusiastic users. The system gives the ability to close right away, how should an unfamiliar helper know?

David Carlisle

19:41

@JosephWright can you do the PL1 ctan build?

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Yes

David Carlisle

@JosephWright sounds like we are done:-)

Paulo Cereda

Is Safari the New Internet Explorer?

Software developer Nolan Lawson says Apple's Safari has taken the place of Microsoft's Internet Explorer as the major browser that lags behind all the others. This comes shortly after the Edge Conference, where major players in web technologies got together to discuss the state of the industry and what's ahead. Lawson says Mozilla, Google, Opera, and Microsoft were all in attendance and willing to talk — but not Apple. "It's hard to get insight into why Apple is behaving this way. They never send anyone to web conferences, their Surfin' Safari blog is a…

David Carlisle

@JosephWright controversy in the tranquil waters of xetex list:-)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Indeed

@DavidCarlisle My big priority would be RTL and trying to get either the Omega/Aleph code or ideally John Plaice's new ideas into XeTeX (and LuaTeX for the latter), but that's a very different thing from wanting one existing primitive for a specific limited purpose

David Carlisle

19:44

@JosephWright where are John's new ideas?

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Everything needs uploading?

David Carlisle

@JosephWright base only I think

@JosephWright so base doc and unpacked on ctan

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Just base and doc: we don't supply unpacked any more

David Carlisle

@JosephWright I knew that of course:-)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle tug.org/TUGboat/tb34-3/tb108plaice.pdf

David Carlisle

19:48

We had a lunchtime talk today on punched cards, of the four in the room who had used them two (including the speaker) were formally retired. I think I'm starting to get classed as one of the older people here....

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Running top-level texlua build.lua ctan now, will check and upload appropriate stuff

David Carlisle

@JosephWright thanks

@JosephWright ah I've read that before, thanks.

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Speaking of retirees, I spoke to Robin F. earlier: I'll send something to the team list on that

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Are you going to retire? You seem to be of age.

David Carlisle

Jun 28 at 9:18, by David Carlisle

@egreg but you are much older than me

egreg

19:54

@DavidCarlisle I'll retire when England cricket will win all test matches in a year.

David Carlisle

@egreg This message will be archived and may be brought up as evidence when the time comes.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Kepp your FMS jobs. :)

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer I just discovered a song. Ohje, that is bad. I hope @paulo won't mind.

TIM TOUPET - Tote Enten (offizielles Musikvideo)

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Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright: Happy belated birthday!

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Will it come?

David Carlisle

20:02

Jun 11 '12 at 16:35, by egreg

@DavidCarlisle Ask, and ye shall receive. :)

Paulo Cereda

@Johannes_B Holy guacamole!

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer I didn't watch it completely, still i think that video will lead to dying a year too early

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda did I miss something? :-)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Apparently there was some cake. :)

David Carlisle

Paulo Cereda

20:06

@DavidCarlisle yaaaay!

Johannes_B

@PauloCereda There are an unknown amount of people going crazy to that kind of music. Alcohol makes you brain think that this is good. Another example, i bet @ChristianHupfer knows as well.

Tim Toupet - Fliegerlied ( So ein schöner Tag )

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@ArthurReutenauer Not one single fly trapped. I was sure this would work.

David Carlisle

@Johannes_B get one of these:

amazon.co.uk/Mosquito-Magnet-MM3300UK1-Executive-Trap/dp/…

Johannes_B

@DavidCarlisle I wanted to get rid of those annoying flies, not prepare for the zombie apocalypse ;-)

David Carlisle

@Johannes_B It' s very satisfying searching amazon on someone else's behalf, just order by price, expensive first....

Johannes_B

@DavidCarlisle :-D

Joseph Wright

21:08

@DavidCarlisle PL1 on its way to CTAN

@StefanKottwitz I may be after you soon for server expertise

@PauloCereda You might also be required

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Q: Help in debugging the code

I am working on a code which is showing me an error and couple of warnings. It's for a thesis template. I really need this code running soon as the deadline is upcoming Monday. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE help me debug the code. The error is ! LaTeX Error: Can be used only in preamble. Warnings are: Ov...

debugging

Borderline for a straight removal

cfr

21:23

@JosephWright I was just going to ask you if that post was permissible within the terms of the site.

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright At your service. :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Probably will be an e-mail over the weekend about this: server stuff involving presenting data to (TeX) users

egreg

Can somebody understand whether this is on topic?

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Q: To convert raw tables to incomplete LaTeX Pandoc Tables

Raw Data which is compatible for computation with several programs File Size EventSize W.Events ID HeaderSize ffff fafa 009 L805067 L805+4 1000 18001-19000 - - - 001 L805067 L805+4 1000 10001-11000 - - - which I want to be in the format for note output as discussed here ----------------------...

tables automation pandoc markdown

Joseph Wright

@egreg What's an 'incomplete LaTeX Pandoc table'?

egreg

@JosephWright Don't ask me!

@JosephWright Can you look at how many questions by this user have been closed?

Joseph Wright

21:32

@egreg 'A number'

egreg

@JosephWright :)

cfr

21:49

@egreg @JosephWright Also

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Q: Convert incomplete LaTeX of Pandoc into Venn diagram

I would like to find/make something intuitive format for Venn diagrams in Incomplete LaTeX. I know this thread. Data in Pandoc format -------------------------------- Clinical Types -------------------------------- Pulmonary arterial hypertension PH due to left heart disease (= postcapilla...

pandoc venn-diagrams tikz-datavisualization

Joseph Wright

@cfr Indeed, makes no more sense

David Carlisle

@JosephWright thanks

@PauloCereda you should have visited UK today: hottest July day on record (37 at Heathrow:-)

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Londoners will go around asking why everybody has turned on the heating.

David Carlisle

@egreg also the sky is a funny colour

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Blue?

David Carlisle

22:02

@egreg oh that's what it's called?

David Carlisle

22:13

@UlrikeFischer hi, don't see you here so often:-)

LaRiFaRi

@ChristianHupfer schnell auf Deutsch, da ich ins Bett muss. Ich dachte nur, dass AtBeginEnvironment heisst, dass etwas am Anfang des Environments geschieht. Aber offensichtlich wird es schon davor gepackt. AtBeginDocument setzt doch auch Befehle innerhalb des document, oder? Wenn man den arraystretch innerhalb des arrays ändert, klappt es nichts. Deshalb hatte ich Deine Version von vorneherein ausgeschlossen. Klappt aber wunderbar. War erstaunt. Ich lösche meinen Kommentar. Gute Nacht.

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Yes, and that big yellow balloon is called sun.

David Carlisle

@egreg football match about to start, I understand that Italy didn't get this far in the tournament...

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Which one? We lost so many…

David Carlisle

@egreg womens world cup semis

egreg

22:28

@DavidCarlisle Wow! Maybe women cricket is almost as good.

Christian Hupfer

22:48

@LaRiFaRi Ich denke, daß Du sogar recht hast und man eigentlich \BeforeBeginEnvironment verwenden sollte. Ich muß mal nachforschen, warum \AtBeginEnvironment hier funktioniert. Gute Nacht ;-)

cfr

23:08

Does anybody know why my second solution here requires LuaLaTeX and does not work with XeLaTeX? 'Not works' means that, although it compiles, the result is a mess. I think the nodes are not being filled at all but, somehow, the drop shadows are still created as if the nodes were filled. At least, that's what it looks like.

@DavidCarlisle Was grey here most of the time. Yesterday it really was blue. (Same colour as grass and trees according to Welsh. Possibly because we get blue so rarely it didn't seem worthwhile having separate words.)

The here thing is football related, in case that is a motive for anybody to look.

With LuaLaTeX, I get this

But with XeLaTeX, I get this

But my attempts at creating minimal examples all seem to work fine so far.

cfr

23:27

@JosephWright Unless you want to allow people to reuse, modify, distribute, copy it etc. In most cases of documentation, you do want to allow at least some of those things, right?

David Carlisle

23:40

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