@egreg How about adding "dynamic" to the title? Or another change to make clear it's not about a simple \newcommand?

@Speravir That's an idea

@egreg But I do actually do not know, whether the "dynamic" is right here, though the OP uses this. Otherwise it's a question …

@egreg Obfuscated TeX by Herbert V.: texwelt.de/wissen/antwort_link/3327 (destroyed the circle in the beginning for - helpful - commenting)

@Speravir Nice.

@egreg Should add this to Obfuscating TeX to annoy @Brent.Longborough …

@egreg I misread, what Herbert wrote. It's not from him, but from Steven Hicks, as can be seen in the lower part of this code, cf. permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.texhax/15416

@JosephWright Please remove CW: “Dynamic” new command in LaTeX. Also in this example can be seen, that IMHO Svend Tveskæg should be warned not to delete the formatting when he does an edit.

I used \newpage but it happened to fall at the end of a page anyway, and created a blank page. How can I ensure that there's a page break but not insert a blank page if the page is completely full?

@codemocker On the question of 'TeXaxmple.net', the name is quite 'catchy', and I think the original site owner picked it as it 'worked'. The fact his examples were about TikZ was by-the-by, really.

@jtbandes \newpage\newpage doesn't produce a blank page, so there should be something else going on.

@egreg How might I debug, then?

The only thing appearing on the blank page are the header and footer (set using the fancyhdr package)

@JosephWright :-)

@jtbandes I guess something produces some "unbreakable space", a \strut or something which lies invisibly on the blank page. Make sure the \newpage comes immediately after the last paragraph.

@jtbandes Don't use \newpage ;-) Seriously, it's quite difficult to say with so little information.

@StephanLehmke Ah yes. There was a \vspace before the \newpage.

Interesting, I thought \vspace is basically ignored at the end of the page.

@jtbandes Are you sure it isn't \vspace*?

Yes, it's just \vspace

\vspace{5em plus 1em minus 1em}

Is there a way to skip until the next odd-numbered page, even if not using a two-sided layout? I want to add blank pages so that it behaves correctly when printing double-sided.

@jtbandes If it's two-sided, why do you want one-sided format?

Uh-oh!

@egreg It's not for a book (hence the layout shouldn't change on even vs odd pages)

@jtbandes With geometry it's easy to make a "rigid" layout.

@egreg is the point that twoside gives me the cleardoublepage command? Otherwise, I don't see any reason to use it

@jtbandes Yes; easier than redoing things.

Hm. I realize (when I remove the \newpage) that the \vspace is actually appearing at the beginning of the 2nd page, before the rest of the content. Shouldn't that..not happen?

This seems to occur when the last thing before \vspace was an align* environment, but not when it was a regular paragraph

@jtbandes Where's the \vspace? Is it after a blank line?

Sticking \par before the vspace seems to fix it

@jtbandes \vspace after an align*? What bizarre document are you writing? ;-)

@egreg Don't think of it as vspace after an align, but vspace between two chunks, the first of which happens to end with an align :)

Hm, twoside seems to screw up the width of my mdframed boxes

usetwoside=false :)

Now, for the question of why these blank pages aren't actually blank...

@jtbandes You probably have something else that you don't want to tell us. :)

Nope, just fancyhdr. In fact, the manual suggests how to fix it: \clearpage{\pagestyle{empty}\cleardoublepage}

When I add twoside, it seems LaTeX is heavily stretching the lengths between paragraphs (some of which are align environments) for not-very-full pages. Is that normal?

"LaTeX uses \flushbottom for two-sided documents". aha

Beautiful. I will work on page numbering some other time...

@JosephWright Am I missing something?
\documentclass{beamer}
\usepackage[ngerman]{babel}
\begin{document}
\begin{frame}
    \begin{proof}
    \end{proof}
    \begin{corollary}
    \end{corollary}
    \begin{example}
    \end{example}
\end{frame}
\end{document}

@Johannes_B beamer's localization is done by the translator package. But translators basic dictionary contains the translation for »Proof« but not for »Corollary« or »Example«. You can add them:

\documentclass{beamer}
\usepackage[ngerman]{babel}
\providetranslation{Corollary}{Korollar}
\providetranslation{Example}{Beispiel}
\begin{document}
\begin{frame}
    \begin{proof}
    \end{proof}
    \begin{corollary}
    \end{corollary}
    \begin{example}
    \end{example}
\end{frame}
\end{document}

@cgnieder I checked, they are in there?

@Johannes_B Have you checked the file translator-basic-dictionary-German.dict? I don't think they're in there.

@cgnieder cat kpsewhich translator-theorem-dictionary/translator-theorem-dictionary-German.dict | grep corollary

Oh, it didn't copy the backticks

well, it copied them, but they are markdown for monospaced m-)

@Johannes_B I just checked my version: no translations for them provided

@cgnieder Really? Strange

@cgnieder btw: it was mentioned at golatex.de/beamer-uebersetzung-wirkt-nicht-t12435.html

@cgnieder I am going to think about that over lunch. See you later

@Johannes_B oh: I overlooked we're talking about different files

@UlrikeFischer Oh right. I keep forgetting that about translator...

@Canageek @JosephWright and other chemists: if you find the time I'd be interested in thoughts on mychemistry.eu/2014/01/chemnum-v1-0-release-candidate

@cgnieder I was gonna comment about sodium hydride, but NaH. :)

@PauloCereda :) (I knew that already...)

@cgnieder Oh. /sobs

:)

@PauloCereda there aren't that many chemistry jokes...

@cgnieder :)

@cgnieder Mathematics is more fun

@DavidCarlisle at least there are lots more math jokes :)

!!/answer tell me a joke

@DavidCarlisle Q: Why the TeX chicken crossed the road? A: Undefined control sequence. l.13 \chicken

@PauloCereda Psmith tells better jokes

@DavidCarlisle Indeed. :)

@PauloCereda Q: Do you know why stump is not tree? A: Because it contains circles.

@tohecz ooh!

:)

Hello to everybody! Does anybody knows of any things that amssymb does in non-standard way? I mean any redefinitions that could possibly break a package unaware of amssymb existence (but loaded in order former after the latter).

@AndrewZabavnikov amssymb is essentially a long list of definitions. If a package defines a command that's already in amssymb, they conflict.

@egreg You know, I'm a little bit stuck with idea of making nath useful at least for me :-) And the thing is that spacing is incorrect sometimes when using usual Latin letters in math mode (in redefined matrix environment, specifically) when using using amssymb...

@AndrewZabavnikov I'd be surprised.

@egreg Well, I can post my example .tex for you to be surprised, if you wish ;-)

@AndrewZabavnikov Then the redefinition of matrix is wrong. ;-)

@egreg I guess... But the nature of the package seems to be rather complicated to me, so it is difficult (for me) to guess where it is wrong (the package is rather interwoven in my opinion, at least for freshmen's look)

@AndrewZabavnikov Sorry, but I consider nath a nice experiment. Not something usable; the same about breqn.

@egreg Easier to ask :-) What is correct row separator in original matrix? \cr?

@AndrewZabavnikov If you mean Plain \matrix, yes, it's \cr.

@egreg Why exactly?

@egreg Is it redefined in LaTeX?

@AndrewZabavnikov Because \\ is defined in a way that doesn't please \halign, unless you redefine it (which is done in array, for instance).

@egreg Are you talking about my specific problem or nath in general? (Consider the message that my question was referring to) Or have I misunderstood something?

How to make this intention to work under LaTeX? \left(\begin{matrix}X_{11} \\ X_{12} \\ X_{21} \\ X_{22}\end{matrix}\right)

@AndrewZabavnikov If you use Plain \matrix then you need \cr unless you redefine \\ to mean \cr (plus possibly something else). If you use matrix as in amsmath then you need \\ (\cr would work too, to a limited extent).

@AndrewZabavnikov This does work as soon as you load amsmath. It will definitely not work otherwise.

@egreg Tried \let\\\cr, got misplaced \cr

@AndrewZabavnikov Please, make your setting clear. Are you loading amsmath? I guess not. Then \matrix is defined as in Plain TeX to have an argument, so you can't say \begin{matrix} and hope it works.

@egreg Sorry, sorry, sorry. I'm not loading amsmath. Gone for TeXbooking :-)

@AndrewZabavnikov The Plain TeX usage is \matrix{a & b\cr c & d}

@egreg Oh.... Thanks! I could have remembered that convention of Plain TeX, stupid me!

@egreg Anyway, why are you considering nath and breqn just nice experiments? Don't you like the idea? Or just don't believe that proper implementation is possible?

@AndrewZabavnikov Breaking math displays requires knowing what the formulas mean. The machine can't know.

@egreg Well, nath is not after that.

@egreg It is after just sizing delimiters, which is too tedious to be done right, I think, in absence of in-place preview software.

@AndrewZabavnikov The same. Sizing delimiters is not "automatic". Here's a LaTeX environment version of the Plain \matrix:

\documentclass{article}
\let\matrix\relax
\makeatletter
\newenvironment{matrix}
 {\let\\\cr\null\,\vcenter\bgroup\normalbaselines\m@th\ialign\bgroup
  \hfil$##$\hfil&&\quad\hfil$##$\hfil\crcr\mathstrut\crcr\noalign{\kern-\baselineskip}}
 {\crcr\mathstrut\crcr\noalign{\kern-\baselineskip}\egroup\egroup\,}
\makeatother
\begin{document}
$\left(\begin{matrix}a & b\\ c & d\end{matrix}\right)$
\end{document}

@AndrewZabavnikov nath is evil

Of course, you have no optional or star version for \\

@egreg @tohecz I had that conversation with David. How do you size them? And I know that it is somewhat maybe even of an art, but for me to make it possible, i have to either know what for example \Biggl means logically, not physically, or have an ability to view my changes on the fly, maybe even have something alike of LyX for that with shortcut to increase/decrease delimiter size... :-(

@AndrewZabavnikov It takes some practice. For example me and @egreg, we have quite a different opinion on what the proper size is, but still, I consider both variants fine

@AndrewZabavnikov Complicated formulas require visual control anyway. So, why bother with a more complicated automatization?

@egreg How do you do that control? Is it always happening in your head?

For example I don't increase the size of delimiters around textstyle fractions, while some do. Around displaystyle fractions, I usually put only \Bigl(...\Bigr) and I let the fraction "stand out" a bit

@AndrewZabavnikov The eyes are made for looking at things.

and quite often, I will increase the size of the delimiters when I nest them, while @egreg will not ;) So I put T^{-1} \bigl( [0,1) \bigr) for instance, but of course, only on display, not in text

@tohecz You're meaning \bigl and \bigr, I hope.

@egreg of course, sorry for that :)

@tohecz So it seems that you do have those logical sizes in your head after all :-) I mean you know that \bigl and \bigr will stand out just right enough above and below of displayed fraction?

@AndrewZabavnikov it comes with time. Around display fractions, it's \Big ;) I do the final typesetting of a journal, so I have a lot of practice in correcting bad habits :)

@egreg And hands are made to change what you see :-)

@tohecz Sorry, you've written that you make the fraction to stand out, that almost walked away unnoticed from me in the previous message. :-)

@AndrewZabavnikov yep, I don't think parentheses have to be larger than the thing they surround. They just need to make visually clear what is inside what

@egreg I'll bold my point. Hands are made to change what you see (not the TeX/LaTeX code).

@egreg @tohecz Maybe it's a better idea to come up with a package with delimiters of semantical sizes or just a documentation for what size means what? I think after all, that markup is for logical editing, WYSIWYG (sorry for obscene word :-) is for visual editing.

@AndrewZabavnikov there's no such thing. Compare these:

\documentclass{article}

\begin{document}

\[
\Bigl( \frac{1+x}{1-x} \Bigr)
\qquad
\biggl( \frac{1+x}{1-x} \biggr)
\]

\[
\Bigl( \frac{ 1+A^{x^2-1} }{ 1-A^{x^2-1} } \Bigr)
\qquad
\biggl( \frac{ 1+A^{x^2-1} }{ 1-A^{x^2-1} } \biggr)
\]

\end{document}

@AndrewZabavnikov This has nothing to do with WYSIWYG. If you're satisfied with nath, fine. I'm not.

@tohecz @egreg Why autosizing seems to be a bad idea to you as an editor? What is an example where it would not be appropriate? Please :-)

In this example, I would use the 1st and the 4th. However, in the following, my decision would likely be different:

\documentclass{article}

\begin{document}

\[
\Bigl( \frac{1+x}{1-x} \Bigr)
+
\biggl( \frac{ 1+A^{x^2-1} }{ 1-A^{x^2-1} } \biggr)
\]

\[
\biggl( \frac{1+x}{1-x} \biggr)
+
\biggl( \frac{ 1+A^{x^2-1} }{ 1-A^{x^2-1} } \biggr)
\]

\end{document}

@tohecz For the second?

^^ here I would be unsatisfied with 1st line since the size of the parenthesis is distractingly different. The 2nd one is better

@AndrewZabavnikov So you see, the size I would choose around \frac{1+x}{1-x} depends on quite wide context

(of course, don't take it literally, all the parentheses above are of course not necessary, so let's say you want to take squares of the fractions)

@tohecz The above two decisions, I think, could be made automagically....

@tohecz They can be formalized, is what I'm saying...

@AndrewZabavnikov Well, it's proved that if you let an everlasting monkey type on a typewriter, it will sooner or later write the whole Hamlet, and still, you don't have everlasting monkeys in every house.

@tohecz But I think, you would say that there are conflicting situations?

@AndrewZabavnikov It's a compliated and a delicate process with many nuances

There are many such things in typography.

@tohecz Very sad. Thank you very-very much!

@AndrewZabavnikov why is it sad? I think I don't get what you mean

@tohecz Sad is that I cannot rely on pure logic in making my documents...

@AndrewZabavnikov no, you can not, that's certain

@tohecz And have not enough experience to see things without a TeX run.

@AndrewZabavnikov well, as I said, only experience can help. But trust me, it's easier to get the experience than to try to avoid getting it by automating what can't be automated.

@tohecz Some mix-up of WYSIWYG and coding could help, but that is not an easy thing to come up with fruitful idea here...

@AndrewZabavnikov It could. Now apologise me, I gotta do some work :)

@tohecz Sorry now for the interruption, I sincerely hope that you will read it when you will be free. About the monkeys... Wasn't the Knuth's algorithm to break text into lines a big thing in typography? Or is that task not comparable in complexity with the automation I would like to have in this Universe?

@AndrewZabavnikov well, the algorithm is quite a breaking thing since it runs in quadratic time w.r.t. the length of the paragraph, which is something unseen before. But the problem is that even it has some limitations, for instance good solution fo widows and orphans. On the other hand, if you try to solve the widows and orphans problems by optimizing more paragraphs at once, you never reach a guaranteed optimum in reasonable time since it's know to be NP-hard I think

Hi. I have syntax like -> \node[male,above right=of jane] (Peter) {Peter Green};

How can I adjust this to move the peter node up vertically? I'm reading the docs, but am missing a way to do that.

Hmm, adding ` yshift=2cm` works.

But I got that from an example on tex.sx, not the manual.

@FaheemMitha has tikz got a manual?

@DavidCarlisle Yes, it has, but that's a well kept secret.

@DavidCarlisle An extensive one. Like, enormous.

I haven't checked the 3.0 one, but the 2.10 is already pretty big.

If I want to move a bunch of nodes in a vertical direction, it is better to issue a group command, like -> move this lot up 2 cm, or move one up and then reference that?

I think one can move a bunch by giving a scoping command.

@FaheemMitha minimal distance should exist I think

well, getting anything from the manual is just painful

@tohecz It is a good manual, but rather chatty. Good if you are stuck on a desert island with a laptop and nothing to do. Not so good when you are trying to get something done.

@FaheemMitha well, after all, it's a manual, not a reference book

@tohecz true

@FaheemMitha I have heard rumours but I don't believe it. the latex book describes picture mode though, so I stick with that.

@DavidCarlisle It takes almost 10 minutes to compile in here. :)

Which reminds me: let me build a new version. :)

@Johannes_B Why don't you try arara?

@egreg Personally, i got used to latexmk. But this was for support.

@DavidCarlisle I thought you answered TikZ questions. Maybe those were rumors too.

@egreg I i finally know why i don't use LyX. I hate it.

@FaheemMitha of course: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/114783/…

@Johannes_B Why?

Tried to make the nomenclature with nomentbl, and when you never use LyX, it's just a pain in the ***

@DavidCarlisle That's an extremely Zen aircraft.

@Johannes_B Once I decided to have a look at it. Ten minutes later there was no trace of it on my machine any more. ;-)

@egreg Same here, i was about to remove it, but then i needed the screenshot. Almost 90 minutes of my life ... gone, forever

This is a forgotten question:

though it looks totally answerable.

I guess he is missing a MWE.

@FaheemMitha Package "hobby"?

@egreg Huh?

I stand corrected. He had an example in the link.

@FaheemMitha “Huh” what?

@egreg I don't understand what you said.

@FaheemMitha I suggested to try the hobby package. What else?

@egreg Oh, you mean the poster should try the hobby package? Ok.

No idea what that is.

@FaheemMitha texdoc hobby_doc

@egreg Ok, thanks.

Comes up empty here. Maybe I'm missing some stuff.

Hey everyone. Question! do you write 22-23 march or 22--23 march?

@Speravir Yeah, nice planning!

In orther words, do you use em quad or en quad for dates range?

@ppr you mean em-dash or en-dash? En-dash for ranges of course

Just avoid things like 2014-01-15--2014-01-20 please :)

@egreg I’ve got it from a Facebook page. Some commenters there say, this cannot really happened, must be a joke. I’m undecided about his. Also, there was no mention, where this picture was taken.

@tohecz Sorry I was thinking of en-dash versus hyphen

so it is en-dash for dates ?

@ppr hyphen is only for hyphenation and for compound words. Nothing else

@tohecz ok but in "2014-01-15" it is not hyphenation, no?

so for ranges, you use en-dash, which is the shorter of the two dashes, but it is not the hyphen

@ppr well, it's sort-of a multipart word

like "a 3-month-old parrot"

@tohecz ok thks

\begin{scope}[yshift=-5cm]

doesn't have any effect when applied to the whole tikzpicture.

@Speravir At least the kerning is good. :)

@PauloCereda LOL. Especially between first and second letter. ;-)

@Speravir :)

Hey! Who starred that chemistry joke? It had no ducks in it!

@cgnieder But now! (Was me.)

@Speravir :)

Hi @StefanKottwitz

@cgnieder Hi! :-)

@cgnieder Btw. perhaps add a link forward from each of your great chemistry series article to the next one? Helps to read them in order.

Just noticed that I can't reach latex-community?

@StefanKottwitz Good idea. I'll something

@cgnieder I'm able to reach it ... wget http://localhost Connecting to localhost|127.0.0.1|:80... connected. index.html' saved`

@FaheemMitha Should it?

@StefanKottwitz Hi, how are you?

@Johannes_B Fine, thanks! Waiting for the 2nd kid to go to bed to have some free time finally :-)

@TorbjørnT. Dunno. I don't really know how it is supposed to work.

@StefanKottwitz @cgnieder Seems nobody has an opinion golatex.de/zukunft-des-wiki-t12429.html

@StefanKottwitz I get “Server konnte nicht gefunden werden”

@cgnieder I can reach latex-community as well

@cgnieder Can you ping it?

@Johannes_B Yes, it's up, otherwise I would not have time to make a 127.0.0.1 joke :-)

@StefanKottwitz :-)

@StefanKottwitz :)

@cgnieder Do you get an IP address when you ping it? Could be DNS resolution.

@cgnieder I reach it, too.

@StefanKottwitz If I have grammar corrections for your standalone documentation, do you want me to open an issue on bb?

@FaheemMitha As I understand, it subtracts 5cm from all y-coordinates within the scope. But if you apply it to the entire tikzpicture there wont be any visible difference, as the bounding box moves as well.

@FaheemMitha Martin Scharrer is the author of standalone.

@TorbjørnT. Yes, that makes sense. Thanks.

@FaheemMitha Yes, it's Martin.

@TorbjørnT. Ah, bugger. Sorry.

@StefanKottwitz Sorry

Martin isn't here much.

@StefanKottwitz No. I get unknown host if I try :(

@FaheemMitha No problem. I'm sure he's glad about getting correction, I would be as well.

@cgnieder So now: traceroute.

@Johannes_B I may have some thoughts but I need to formulate them first...

@StefanKottwitz strange enough: it works with another browser

@cgnieder is the other browser Chrome? If so, I would not be surprised :)

@tohecz yep

@cgnieder well, then it's certainly a problem of your DNS server. If I remember correctly, Chrome switches to the Google's DNS servers 8.8.8.8 or 8.8.4.4 in case the one offered by the connection doesn't work.

@Johannes_B I wrote the golatex maintainer an email just days ago. Perhaps I get feedback, so I wait too.

@StefanKottwitz Ok, thanks. I am very interested.

TikZers: new daily build available! :)

@PauloCereda But there still isn't anything on CTAN, right?

@Johannes_B Nope. :) I meant my personal daily build repository. :)

@PauloCereda Nevertheless, i am wating for the 3.0 version on CTAN :-(

@Johannes_B We spoke about working together sometimes, thought just did not match yet. I could imagine updating software and fixing features, speeding up with RAM db cache, connecting profiles between sites, ... but first getting rid of those advertisements, I don't like ads and they slow it down.

Okay: I can ping it and get an IP. (Other sites are affected, too. This is quite annoying!)

@cgnieder More chemistry jokes with plays on words: coolscience.org/CoolScience/CoolJokes/ChemJokes.htm or inorganicventures.com/fun-chemists or … or … (I simply made a Google search). I love this one, should have been the title for all of this: “Making bad chemistry jokes because all the good ones Argon.”

@StefanKottwitz that would improve golatex significantly

@StefanKottwitz Good luck. Keep us posted :-)

@StefanKottwitz: Ma buddy Stefan K!, wait for the epic texdoc.net version 2.0! :)

Do I look cool talking like that? ^^ :)

@tohecz seems like it. I really don't want to switch to chrome but if the problem persists...

@PauloCereda If you would have said texduck.net, yes

@cgnieder your system should allow you to add 8.8.8.8 to the list of DNS servers, then you should be fine

@PauloCereda Do you have a build script? I remember when building it, it did not seem completely TDS compliant

@StefanKottwitz I have a modified version of Paul Gaborit's one, but I'm not sure if it's TDS compliant. :(

@PauloCereda moviepilot.de/files/images/0412/4058/darkwing-duck_article.gif

@tohecz I'll try that. Thanks

@Johannes_B ooh I remember this cartoon!

@PauloCereda Where can I find Paul's? Or yours? :-)

@StefanKottwitz I'll send you. :)

@PauloCereda Oh great! May I install it on TeXample.net?

@StefanKottwitz I'll be out of business. :)

Ich bin der Schrecken der die Nacht durchflattert, ich bin die Überraschung in deiner Kelloggs-Packung.

@PauloCereda So you would have more time for us in the chat!

And for texdoc 2.0 :-)

@Johannes_B I suspect there's some corner flakes involved. :)

@PauloCereda I am the terror that flaps in the night, i am the surprise in you Kellogs package

translated literally

I loved those phrases

@Johannes_B Ah Darkwing Duck's opening intro!

Opening intro? Oh my.

I'm stoopid today.

@PauloCereda Exactly

@PauloCereda well, not the very last part, that doesn't seem to be true

Well guys, i have to go. Nice evening/day to all of you

@Speravir I like Why do chemistry professors like to teach about ammonia? Because it's basic material.

One last thing to all the typography nerds: wordsbrand.com/t-shirts/…

@cgnieder Yes, that’s good. BTW: I guess DHMO.org / DHMO.de is (too) well-known, but I didn’t know yet this:

Cf. Dihydrogenmonoxid – Wikipedia or Dihydrogen monoxide hoax – Wikipedia.

LOL: Heisenberg is out for a drive when he's stopped by a traffic cop. The cop says: " Do you know how fast you were going? Heisenberg replies: "No, but I know where I am".

@Speravir :)

@Speravir that's a nice one!

@cgnieder As motto on your lab door: Old chemists never die, they just stop reacting.

@Speravir Reminds me of: The best applied research is a good theory.

@PauloCereda Thank you for the script! As I saw the lines compiling the manual via lualatex, did you ever try to htlatex it?

@StefanKottwitz Heavens no. :)

@tohecz :-)

@Speravir :-)

@JosephWright The motto with the never dieing (spelling?) old chemists would suit to your lab door, as well. ;-)

@Speravir "dying" (as "lying")? Well, @Joseph should know better :p

@tohecz Yes, you’re right. I was too lazy to search for.

@tohecz Yup

@JosephWright which is confusing, because multiple verbs have the same ing-form

@tohecz I'm a native speaker: I just expect these things :-)

@JosephWright yep, I know. In Czech, I think you've cases where the pronounciation is the same but the written form differs in one letter, and cases where the written form differs by an accent, so does the pronounciation.

@tohecz Such things appear in many languages I think.

@tohecz dying vs. dyeing …

@Speravir well, only in couple of them, one word has multiple pronounciations: bow, read, ...

@tohecz Aah, yes.

@tohecz watch out for flying linguists. :)

@PauloCereda But also for flying flies. A German word play: “Wenn hinter Fliegen Fliegen fliegen, fliegen Fliegen Fliegen hinterher.” English translation trial: _“When flies fly behind flies, flies fly behind flies.”

@Speravir O.o

@Paulo How can I allow a program run by a user to write into a system directory?

@tohecz sudo it? :)

no, in general, so that when a user runs it as-is, it does it

I thought that it's what chmod a+s script.sh is for, but it doesn't work :(

@tohecz I'm afraid that's not possible. Unless of course, the directory has write permissions for that particular user.

@Speravir I prefer Groucho Marx's “Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana”.

@PauloCereda ok, so I'll chgrp the directory

@egreg Yes, this is really great.

@tohecz: try chmod'ing +s it with the root. But first make sure root is the owner.

@egreg :-)

@PauloCereda I've had -rwsr-sr-x root root, no success :-/

@JosephWright So you English learn what are the consequences of verbing nouns and nouning verbs.

@tohecz Hm now I'm stuck. :(

@PauloCereda yep, I'll change the permissions of the folder

@tohecz Argh! The dreaded sticky bit! It's sticky, isn't it? ;-)

@egreg no, sticky is t, this is setuid or setgid, depending on which position it is

@tohecz Oh, yes.

sticky is used for /tmp directory: drwxrwxrwt. 117 root root 36864 2014-02-03 22:32 tmp

@NicolaTalbot In tex.stackexchange.com/q/156407/#comment357846_156407 I wrote, that in MiKTeX makeglossaries should work without a installed Perl distro, but I had to notice, that in a virtual drive an installation of basic MiKTeX without Perl resulted in the noticed error of this OP. (cont.)

@NicolaTalbot Would be interesting, what the wrapper executable makeglossaries.exe actually does. The MiKTeX sources can be downloaded, but I do understand nothing. I also noticed today a batch file in scripts\glossarieswith this line perl -S "%~dp0makeglossaries" %*, where %~dp0 and %* are Windows batch parameters, the first adds drive+path, the second all given makeglossaries parameters. So itm your advice for extra installing Perl is the only true one.

@cgnieder Why are He, Cm and Ba called the medical elements? Because if you can't helium or curium, you barium.

would it be bad to answer this with \includegraphics{png-from-the-question} ? tex.stackexchange.com/questions/157416/…

@cgnieder The only change I can see effecting me much is the sorting of lists, which I like a lot. I was telling someone about it and he saw that as the selling point of the package.

@DavidCarlisle Which one, the original? ;-)

@DavidCarlisle Why would anybody even touch the book Principia Mathematica?

@Speravir yes

@DavidCarlisle I'd need a lot of money for it: livrariacultura.com.br/scripts/resenha/resenha.asp?nitem=150683

@DavidCarlisle OK, then it must become the accepted answer …

@PauloCereda Or: “How to make mathematics even more difficult than it is, by doing simple thing in the most obscure way”

@egreg LOL

@egreg I thought that was Bourbaki

R$ 3.495,40 = € 1,075.74

@DavidCarlisle Bourbaki is second at a great distance.

@PauloCereda a fraction more than a Euro, not bad.

@DavidCarlisle Damn, commas. :)

@Canageek It's easy to oversee, but @cgnieder had posted this one.

@Speravir Ah, nevermind then

@Canageek Oh, strictly spoken I am wrong, see starred comments on the right. Did you notice the links for sites with chemistry jokes. Some of them are really great. (We already posted some examples above.)

@Canageek Thanks. (only sublabel lists will be sorted!) So you don't care too much about the different options or the new commands/command names?

@cgnieder That is the sort of thing I look up when I need it, so I'm not sure how it has changed from the old version.

@Canageek That wouldn't be easy so not likely any time soon...

@egreg yep, I mean, you always have obscure sects sub-sciences; one my friend said on FCB something like: So after 2 semesters of Differential Geometry I finally know that maps do exist.

@cgnieder Why is it harder to sort {1,2,8,3} then {1a,1b,1d,1c}?

@Canageek A label 1a,c,e,b,d will be sorted to 1a,b,c,d,e (and compressed to 1a--e if the option is enabled). That is not too hard as the sublist just is a,c,e,b,d (or rather the IDs of the labels). For main labels I first need to split the sublabels, then sort the list, then add the sublabels again. {1a,1b,1d,1c} won't be sorted either

@tohecz A guy a couple of years behind me at the university, went to ask a thesis to the Algebraic Geometry professor. He gave him six or seven big books, telling to study them and return thereafter.

@cgnieder To bad, that sounds useful

@Canageek think of input like {2,4{a,c,b},3a,1}

@cgnieder Right, you can't just do a nested sort in LaTeX easily?

@Canageek maybe someone can. I am not a programmer :)

@egreg well, an that all only so that then thousands of people scavenge on unbelievably expensive and useless projects which find that "the universe has 11 dimensions". WTF?

@cgnieder Without merging I mean; so sort each top level, then each set of brakets? You might get {1, 2{a,c}, 2{b}} but they'd be closer to the right order

@Canageek all data manipulation like this is quite hard in LaTeX. Hopefully LaTeX3 will help

@tohecz Ah, I see.

@Canageek I'll have a look when I have time again (I just had an idea...) but I won't promise anything

@tohecz which is why I've used expl3 :)

@tohecz Algebraic geometry is more serious than that, so it doesn't get funding.

@egreg ah ok, I again probably don't know what is it. Once something is called "geometry" and it doesn't draw, I'm lost :p

@tohecz preposterous! Everybody knows the universe has 10 dimensions. :)

But in the duck universe, there are 17. :)

@PauloCereda I wonder what I look like in the 13 other dimensions. Have I got wrinkles there yet?

@tohecz I heard we have 4D cake. :)

@PauloCereda Yes, at the beginning you have no cake, then you make it, and finally you eat it :)

hmmmmmmmmph cake :)

@tohecz if Stephen Hawking can say blackholes don't exist for the sake of keeping Einstein's theory pristine, why can't we say there's a duck universe somewhere in the multiverse thingy which has some 4D cake? :)

@PauloCereda Well, Stephen Hawking can say whatever he wants, so can you :)

@tohecz :)

@PauloCereda However, I would likely trust you with your 4D duck cake (doesn't it sound almost like "duct-tape"?) more than how I trust Hawking in whatever he says.

@tohecz awwww <3

My next plan: add the word cake to my next papers and see if reviewers somehow get influenced by it. :)

@PauloCereda Be careful:

@tohecz Ah. :) You can only provide funny remarks if you are some sort of bloody expert in a field: citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.110.6657 :)

@PauloCereda not so true, my colleagues have an article entitled Sturmian Jungle (or Garden?) on Multiliteral Alphabets which got accepted and is even cited couple times I think

@tohecz Ouch.

Anyways, gotta go

@tohecz Good night, Tom! :)

night!

@tohecz Ciao!

@egreg bye!