TeX, LaTeX and Friends - 2014-01-28 (page 2 of 2)

Wandang

20:00

does latex not support exporting to picture formats like png or jpg? so i would need to export a latex table to pdf first and then via pdf program to jpg, correct?

Joseph Wright

@Wandang You can only make DVI and PDF files directly: everything else requires conversion

Wandang

@JosephWright alright, thanks. wanted to make sure i did not miss something

i need to use a screencap then :D i cannot compile the site that has the table in it alone

egreg

After 2 hours I'm still in the train. :( An accident (probable suicide) blocked circulation of trains; now we're moving on another line. :(

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Oh my, sorry to hear. :(

egreg

@PauloCereda And very sorry for the poor person involved. :( And for hundreds of people on three trains that didn't know anything about the plans of the railway managers.

Let me vote some questions and answers; and downvote David's.

Paulo Cereda

20:13

@egreg Indeed, may this person rest in peace. :( Hopefully everybody will be home soon.

David Carlisle

@egreg and fix your "it's" (I wasn't going to mention:-)

tohecz

@egreg downvote @David's questions? Good luck :)

egreg

@DavidCarlisle What "it's"?

David Carlisle

@Wandang well yes or no, if you use classic latex it makes dvi, then you need to convert that, there are dvipng you can use instead of dvips, but going via pdf also works

@egreg the one where you were trying to steal a tick from me, I'll see if I can find...

Paulo Cereda

It's...

►

Wandang

20:24

@DavidCarlisle yeah i use miktex and texniccenter i can chose between dvi, ps and pdf

i dont know what ps is thou

cgnieder

@egreg this is also horrible for the driver of the locomotive... My brother works as one for a living. Until now noone threw themselves in front of his trains but chances are he will experience this at least once in his professional life :(

Wandang

tex.stackexchange.com/questions/156317/…

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Found, thanks.

Wandang

why is my question off topic

tohecz

!!/texdef -t latex -p amsmath frenchspacing

Wandang

20:25

in tour it tells me that questions about engines are fine

egreg

@cgnieder I know, it's terrible for them.

David Carlisle

@Wandang postscript as used in printers (and the format from which pdf is derived)

Nicola Talbot

@Wandang There used to be a "too localised" close reason that was used when a problem was solved by updating software, but when that close reason was dropped, people have been using "off-topic" instead, but they really mean "too localised".

David Carlisle

@Wandang not off topic because it's about miktex but because it's a transient probably non-reproducable problem

oh Nicola just said it

Nicola Talbot

@DavidCarlisle Yours was a more snappy reply than my rambling one :-)

David Carlisle

20:30

@NicolaTalbot mine was going to be longer (about too localised) but yours appeared while I was typing:-)

Wandang

well i searched for my prob before i asked it here (obviously) and there are a lot of people having this problem every now and then

so the problem will come up again i guess and therefore a good solution would be nice

David Carlisle

@Wandang don't worry. close doesn't mean you shouldn't have asked, just that it's probably not worth preserving after a while (closed questions drop off the search eventually)

Wandang

oh wow libreoffice screws me over! second time it crashed by opening my presentation

David Carlisle

@Wandang that's why we use latex:-)

Wandang

should convert it to ppt because people still only use office which cannot open odp

i could not learn how to make a presentation in latex in 3 days :P

but i will so i will never use that editors again

Paulo Cereda

20:33

@Wandang If you stick with easy constructs, it's quite possible. :)

Wandang

can office open latex presentations?

nowadays you need presentations that are eyecandy. i hate to make those but if i do not have pictures and animations and color i get asked why it is so dry

-_-"

David Carlisle

@FaheemMitha \setlength\extrarowheight{2cm}

@Wandang no

@Wandang I have never learned to use a wysiwyg system.

Wandang

@DavidCarlisle then it is no option

if i come up with a presentation that will not load i get in trouble

because "expectations"

David Carlisle

@Wandang you're in the wrong forum:-)

Wandang

or i use my own laptop

Faheem Mitha

20:35

@DavidCarlisle Thanks.

David Carlisle

@Wandang most people here use latex beamer class and show their presentations as full screen pdf

Wandang

@DavidCarlisle i guess you are in control of what you can do ... i am still on the other end of the plate

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda :-)

Wandang

What...

@DavidCarlisle are u insane?

not to insult you but 160 k rep?

holy moly

thanks for contributing so much to the community

oh i see. you folks are actual developers of latex. bows down

tohecz

@Wandang That's a wrong assumption. There should be nothing animated nor blinking in a presentation, neither should every word be written by DIFFERENT FONT !!!

egreg

20:41

@Wandang Bug planters, actually. :P

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tohecz

@Wandang well, some of us just have LaTeX as their daily bread

Wandang

@tohecz ofc no blinking and no font chaos. but animations and nice statistics are pretty standard

@egreg 270 k...

David Carlisle

@Wandang just trying to catch up @egreg (but it's hard when he spends his afternoons downvoting my answers)

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egreg

@Wandang Just 252K on TeX.SX. ;-)

Nicola Talbot

@Wandang There are some beamer examples in the beamer doc/solutions directory. For example, try speaker_introduction-ornate-2min.en.tex.

tohecz

20:44

@Wandang animations are usually ridiculous, but they can be incorporated in beamer. However, the ability of clever uncovering of stuff is IMHO more powerful than animations

Wandang

@NicolaTalbot thank you nicola, i will put it in my compiler and test it

tohecz

@Wandang Shameless plug: kmlinux.fjfi.cvut.cz/~hejdato1/main/www/papers/… See the talk slides for showing some of the capabilities of beamer. If you want to see the "animation", go directly to page 21, for some "uncover" capabilities, see page 13 and following

Wandang

btw there is one thing i hate about tex

David Carlisle

@Wandang only one?

Wandang

i needed to change every newly created file to utf8 without bom

even if i chose windows format as project settings

maybe it is texniccenters fault

David Carlisle

20:47

@Wandang that's nothing really about latex, just whatever editor you are using (you don't have to use utf8 of course)

Wandang

but i often forget to change and get weird errors frustrating me for about 30 min

tohecz

@DavidCarlisle but you should

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz Don't forget the great typewriter noise for each letter in a sentence. :)

Wandang

without bom (important, otherwise it will not work)

but it wont matter for too long since i switch back to linux asap

Nicola Talbot

@PauloCereda And make it quack on every slide transition. ;-)

Joseph Wright

20:49

@Wandang There are lots of TeX editors for Windows

David Carlisle

@Wandang utf8 bom is a silly microsoft invention anyway:-) but I don't understand why you have to change anything, do you mean you editor is using a classic windows code page (or iso8859-1) in which case you could just tell latex to use that

Paulo Cereda

@NicolaTalbot LOL there was a quack sound in older versions of Macs, I believe.

Nicola Talbot

@PauloCereda LOL

Wandang

@DavidCarlisle not sure what texnic is using

Paulo Cereda

@NicolaTalbot gizmodo.com/5936887/…

David Carlisle

20:51

@Wandang well how do you convert the result to utf?

tohecz

@PauloCereda oh yeah, this one :D

sorry, I was testing my levels for Pushover :)

Nicola Talbot

@PauloCereda :-)

Wandang

@NicolaTalbot your script shows me 1 page of pdf

tohecz

@NicolaTalbot certainly, especially since I got my beamer template from @Paulo :)

Wandang

i wanted to see at least 2 to see how it goes :D i will build it myself then

Nicola Talbot

20:52

@Wandang That's because it's a short 1 page example file.

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz <3

Nicola Talbot

@Wandang There are some longer examples. Have a look at mirror.ctan.org/macros/latex/contrib/beamer/solutions

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz: speaking of which, you made it better! Do you still have the template? I lost mine in some backup. :)

Wandang

@NicolaTalbot thanks again :)

guys thank you so much

Nicola Talbot

@tohecz LOL :-)

Wandang

20:54

i am wrapping this day up and go to sleep now

tohecz

@PauloCereda I have that one (if you mean this one), and I have a newer one in the same colorscheme

Wandang

have a good one

Nicola Talbot

@Wandang Bye.

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz Oh that one! When you have some free time, could you send me one of the templates? If you want to send the newer one, I'd love to. Your Tex skills are amazing. :)

tohecz

well, the newer one should be from WORDS conference (@Alan might be insterested in WORDS conferences ;) )

Paulo Cereda

20:58

@tohecz: actually, we could ask @Joseph if we could nominate the colour scheme to be included in the official beamer thingy. :)

tohecz

@PauloCereda that would need some properization of the code :)

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz Nah. :)

@tohecz You published in the wrong conference. It should be MATHS not WORDS. :)

tohecz

@PauloCereda WORDS 2011 were in Prague, and we have a very strong lingustic "schola" at Charles University. We invited one renown lady from there to give a special invited talk, and she started by: "When I got an invitation to a 'WORDS' conference, I thought: 'How come there's a conference with such name which I have never been to?' Then I opened the program on the webpage, and I realised."

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz LOL

tohecz

@PauloCereda she's a lovely lady, actually a grandma of my good friend from scouts :)

Paulo Cereda

21:03

@tohecz How nice! :)

tohecz

@PauloCereda btw, sudo yum -y install pushover && pushover &

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz Ah a game (sorry, I had to yum info pushover). :)

tohecz

@PauloCereda well, you should have of course :)

Joseph Wright

beamer stuff on overlays will be in TUGboat soon :-)

tohecz

21:23

@JosephWright kool

Joseph Wright

@tohecz Karl is always keen to get content!

tohecz

@JosephWright I can imagine

Speravir

@tohecz I loved this game, but there was only a DOS version, that does not work in newer Windows version. Then I discovered pushover.sourceforge.net, played again (and noticed that I am not as fast as in earlier times). But the latest version has some flaws. I did not play since I tested this version, perhaps half a year.

tohecz

@Speravir mine for Fedora works great, and you can easily edit your own levels

I've made 7 of them so far :)

Speravir

@tohecz Ooh … :-O

tohecz

21:27

(again working for the journal) I so hate the authors for putting their spaces everyhere, and for using \be blabla \ee, and for using eqnarray !!!

Joseph Wright

@tohecz The 'convenient abbreviation' idea is a bit of a pain

tohecz

@JosephWright especially since it works with eqnarray and doesn't work with align. Then it kills my eqnarray-like-align hack that I developed some time ago on the site

Joseph Wright

@tohecz Yes

@tohecz What I guess I'd say is that making 'abbreviations' for structural elements is never on

tohecz

@JosephWright you mean like beamer's \frame{Title}{Subtitle}{Contents with 3 itemize, 2 displayed equations and 2 figures} ? :D

Joseph Wright

@tohecz Not one of Till's better ideas

@tohecz One of the things I was thinking of in my blog post under the 'an overhaul would have been good' part

tohecz

21:31

@JosephWright yeah, it happens, I mean, it's nothing against anyone, just it shows that UI can be very bad in some details

Joseph Wright

@tohecz Having optional grouped arguments was a bad plan, too: plays hell with verbatim slides

@tohecz Yes

@tohecz I have in the past said something like 'I do know why Till decided to leave beamer to other people to worry about' :-)

Partly the fault of the kernel, too

\frame and \begin{frame} should not use the same user macro

tohecz

@JosephWright really?

jtbandes

I'm using MinionPro and I like the \mathbb alphabet, but there seems to be no 0 or 1 included. Is there any bb font that looks similar but also has numbers?

Nicola Talbot

Any Windows users around who can help with this?

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Q: Make Glossaries - cannot compile glossary list

I am trying to get the glossaries package to work. I have created a minimal .tex file to test it. I am using TexWorks. My .tex file currently looks like this: \documentclass{amsart} \usepackage{amsmath, amssymb,amscd} \usepackage{glossaries} \newglossaryentry{test}{ name=Test, descri...

tohecz

Ah you mena 2e kernel, not beamer kernel

Joseph Wright

21:33

@tohecz Yes: Till had to write his own template system, and it's got some issues

@NicolaTalbot I use Strawberry: Active Perl is not such a great product

tohecz

@JosephWright it's a bit ... weird ... with spaces in identifiers

Joseph Wright

@tohecz Yes

@tohecz You might notice I don't use any spaces for keys in my code, and l3keys says not to use them :-)

tohecz

@JosephWright still, it's somehow too late, beamer and tikz have made a big ~~hole~~ pitfall in this rule-of-thumb

Joseph Wright

@tohecz Yes

@tohecz Life is clearer with expl3-based code as spaces in names would be actively awkward for the programmer to include, and as I say I did document the point

tohecz

but it's a fashion. Do you notice that people like python for being "speakable", ignoring the fact that e.g. it's triple operator is a complete mess?

OMG that guy uses \jmath as a summation index!!! Can I change it to j and claim that my version of LaTeX doesn't support \jmath ?

Joseph Wright

21:41

@tohecz Goodness

tohecz

@JosephWright but those are the people that kill cats with bras, so I think it might be a common notation amongst them

and, this:

 \ben
 \\
  \ba
    \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \begin{array}{|l|}
 \hline
   initial,\ given\ {\rm  microscopic\ Hamiltonian\ }
   {{H}}= {{H}}^\dagger\
   lives\ in \\
   {\rm  {\bf primary\ }  space\ }
    {\cal H}^{(P)};\ all\ is\ {\bf prohibitively\ complicated\!:\!}\\
 \ \ \ \bullet\ {\it one\  constructs}\  {\rm the
  \ CCM\ operator\ } \Omega=\exp\,S\\
 \hline
 \ea
  \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \  \  \  \ \ \ \ \ \
  \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \  \  \  \ \ \ \ \ \
  \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \
 \\
 \\
  %
%  \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ simpli\!f\!ied\ {\rm and} Solution\!:\

Joseph Wright

@tohecz Ah, wasn't there a whole TUGBoat article showing of these 'gems'

tohecz

@JosephWright there's @egreg's homepage I think :)

Joseph Wright

Sometimes I'm glad my colleagues mainly use other tools ;-)

I am training my 'followers' correctly at work

cgnieder

@tohecz Oh my! You couldn't make this up even if you wanted to...

tohecz

21:45

@cgnieder lovely, isn't it? :)

cgnieder

@tohecz quite!

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright egreg's article. :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda That would probably be it

tohecz

@JosephWright I can't manage to wrap it in a figure! HELP!

Joseph Wright

tug.org/TUGboat/tb26-3/tb84gregorio.pdf

Talking (again) of TUGboat, I've got to sort out LaTeX3 News

tohecz

21:47

just two pearls of it: \rm \bf is \ not\ self\!-\!adjoint,\

Raphael

@NicolaTalbot I did not know that was a thing, thanks! Good to know.

tohecz

\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \
\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \
\ \ \\

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Joseph Wright

@tohecz :-)

tohecz

Well, thanks for cheering me up, whoever starred that :)

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz We wanted to see how it would look in the starred list. :)

tohecz

21:49

@PauloCereda you know, I'll need to cups of tea instead of the standard one to get over this

Nicola Talbot

@JosephWright It's a bit odd that perl is recognised on the command prompt but not when running makeglossaries.

Paulo Cereda

:)

tohecz

$2M-$parametric array very nice :)

egreg

22:24

@tohecz Gorgeous!

@tohecz Did the author count them?

tohecz

@egreg I dunno

the point is that the output of that beast is not that bad

Speravir

@NicolaTalbot No problem here … And the MWE of that question runs flawless!

tohecz

Damn I don't upvote 4/4 comments to a question quite often ;)

Speravir

@NicolaTalbot Not to speak from, that my MWE is much better ;-)

Harish Kumar

22:47

@FaheemMitha TeX.SX was down that day (one day during end of December 2013) :)

egreg

@HarishKumar Not for the whole day, happily for my continuing participation: “1042 days, 1042 consecutive”

Harish Kumar

@egreg True, but I tried 4-5 times and then I was caught up with my other work very tight :)

tohecz

woohoo I'm higher than @egreg!!! meta.tex.stackexchange.com/users

a cool person decided to typeset his literature in LaTeX:

Franz Kafka, Prague, Czech Republic

133 5

biblatex bibliographies bibtex captions symbols syntax tables

egreg

23:06

@tohecz Maybe he lives in Celetná

Where Bolzano's memorial is, by the way.

Harish Kumar

@NicolaTalbot Nicola, It works in my machine.

tohecz

@egreg there's couple of them in that area

Einstein, for instance. Doppler is 3 blocks down to the river

Speravir

@HarishKumar Hello, what I yesterday forgot to ask: Do you regularly use TeX Live or MiKTeX?

Harish Kumar

23:35

@Speravir Hi. I use only MiKTeX :-)

Speravir

@HarishKumar Thanks. Then it disturbs me even more, that in your TeXstudio config the Texindy entry was with placeholder while it is without one in mine.

Harish Kumar

@Speravir That disturbed me too. In my other computer it wasn't. I didn't notice it as I don't use texstudio for my regular work.

Speravir

@HarishKumar Ooh, yes, this is weeeeeiiiirdddd! (Your TeXstudio is portable, too?)

Harish Kumar

And I don't know how it came like that by itself!

No it isn't poratble.

Speravir

@HarishKumar OK.

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